PROOF THAT LONDON WAS AN ILLUMINATI FACTION PSYOP TO PROMOTE THEIR WORLD AGENDA

Not proven, m´Lord. It assumes the bombers felt sure London would win the vote. But most people here were dubious about London winning because Paris had been the favorite all along. So the bombers (if they were what the police say they were, which I don´t believe for one minute) would not have chosen the previous day necessarily to inflict maximum damage if they thought like most others here that London was not going to win, in which case it would make no difference which day they chose. One can argue that the bombers would have chosen Wednesday to make sure London did NOT win. But that´s debatable. So your argument does not amount to proof.

575 you have not thought it through enough - but 10 out of 10 for effort!!!

Not proven, m´Lord. It assumes the bombers felt sure London would win the vote. But most people here were dubious about London winning because Paris had been the favorite all along.



You are mistaken. Do not confuse joe bloogs on the street or at Betfair with the insiders that KNEW that London would win. I am a gambler, and I watched the odds on London shorten and shorten as the last day drew near - in the end the sheer weight of money convinced me that insiders KNEW London would win. Amd so it came to pass. Do some research on this and you will see I am correct.

Further - more thn one major French politician has gone on record over the last few days that the vote was rigged, that it was corrupt and that the FIX WAS IN for London.

The Illuminati fixers that rigged this vote of course would not jeopardise a bombing the morning BEFORE the vote.

Why???

Because it could backfire, just like Madrid.

I trust u remember what happened to the Spanisg gubbmint then?

No - if London was bombed the day before the 2012 vote, the voters, rigged or not, could go either way - either stand up to the bombers and vote London, or cave in and give it to Paris.




So the bombers (if they were what the police say they were, which I don´t believe for one minute) would not have chosen the previous day necessarily to inflict maximum damage if they thought like most others here that London was not going to win, in which case it would make no difference which day they chose.




see above.

Fools on this forum, and BBC spooks, are saying it was a meticulous operation, and could not just be kicked into play depeneding on a previous day´s 2012 vote.

This is rubbish.

To my mind it was a simple operation, on the face of it.




I say again - any TRUE jihadist would want maxim um damage to London - in that case gamble on trashing the 2012 vote - a GOOD gamble - and so what even if it ensure a UK 2012 vote, that matters not to the bombers.

Further - if the alleged bombers REALLY wanted to cause maximum deaths, they had the live 8 gis and Wimbledon in the days bnefore with highly concentrated masses of folks to eliminate.




One can argue that the bombers would have chosen Wednesday to make sure London did NOT win. But that´s debatable. So your argument does not amount to proof.




I used PRRRROOOOOOOOOOOFFFF to start a debate, There will most probably never be proof.

The only inclination I could think of of London winning the Olympics, is the fact that its on a diamond geometry grid system, giving it the perfect destination for holding the 2012 Olympics

Wait! I just heard that on CNN!!

I thought you PROOF Anders?

"thought you PROOF Anders?"


I guess Im the dumb ass

Should have said ´I thought you had PROOF Anders?´

62

u should do stand up

u are a fucking funny guy


now pls use what little brain cells you have and take my argument apart, then i will take you apart

OK??

OP, that makes me mad (not at you, at TPTB). Hopefully this will wake some people up.

Great point, i think your right.

> If these 4 alleged jihadi suicide bombers wanted to create maximum harm to London, they would have
> carried out their bombing THE MORNING BEFORE!!!

For more death, then certainly packing a few nail bombs into Trafalgar Square would´ve been lethal. Bombing Live8 could´ve been worse, but bombing an aid concert might be a step too far, even for terrorists.

For economic impact, and sheer inconvenience, bombing the tubes is better.

For some date-based, 9/11 significance, and to stick two fingers up at G8, bombing on 7/11 is better.

Bombing the tubes as everyone tried to leave from Live8 would´ve been horrendous on the rest of the transport system, but again, maybe they didn´t want to hit Live8.

> RUIN THE ILLUMINATI PLANS TO GAIN LONDON THE 2012 LONDON OLYMPICS!

I´m not sure Occam would go for that statement :)

> Bob and Bono - the two biggest wankers of the alleged Rock Community

Now there´s something I DO agree with.

Illuminati/evil reptilian connection explained at www.soulinvitation.com/invasion/index.html especially chapter 15 - The Illuminati Hierarchy

"The Fab Four, Beatles wanna-be´s make a big hit in the London Underground."

> If these 4 alleged jihadi suicide bombers wanted to create maximum harm to London, they would have
> carried out their bombing THE MORNING BEFORE!!!

For more death, then certainly packing a few nail bombs into Trafalgar Square would´ve been lethal. Bombing Live8 could´ve been worse, but bombing an aid concert might be a step too far, even for terrorists.



I disagree completely - the raison d´etre of any committed terrorist is max death and terror - hence do something at a max densely populated event. There is NO upside to terrorism, therfore your comment does not fit; remember this is the first and early stage of this psyop in the UK - THAT is why the controllers are tip-toing - in contrast a true cell would not follow the pattern, as I have outlined above.



For economic impact, and sheer inconvenience, bombing the tubes is better.



I can see your point, but why not do what you suggest the DAY BEFORE or the MORNING OF the Olympics vote??? 4 boms in the crowd at live 8 would have taken out hundreds, and achieved the same effect, in fact a FAR WORSE effect as 3 billion would have watched the carnage LIVE!!!


4 bombs at the tube stations surrounding Hyde Park the morning of Live 8 would have achieved a double-whammy!

Are these terrorists stupid???

NO!

Cos it is a PSYOP, that is why and THE ONLY REASON we have all these logical anomalies.




For some date-based, 9/11 significance, and to stick two fingers up at G8, bombing on 7/11 is better.



Possibly. But then they should have has 7 bombs on 7/7.

Maybe the faction doing this did have 7, I heard 2 folks were shot in the City, and there were unexploded bombs.

Of course a D notice will cover up all these inconvenient facts.

But what they could have done was hit a far larger death count ON 7/7 but they DID NOT.

I am a Londoner and I know all the crowd bottlenecks on the tubes and trains.

NONE of these were hit.

Why not???





Bombing the tubes as everyone tried to leave from Live8 would´ve been horrendous on the rest of the transport system, but again, maybe they didn´t want to hit Live8.


Why not???




> RUIN THE ILLUMINATI PLANS TO GAIN LONDON THE 2012 LONDON OLYMPICS!

I´m not sure Occam would go for that statement :)


LOL!

OK.



> Bob and Bono - the two biggest wankers of the alleged Rock Community

Now there´s something I DO agree with.

How about they firured that if they did bomb the day before, there would be a sympathy vote and London would have gotten it for sure. But what i am surprized at is that Anders is not following the money angle. France has every thing to gain from the bombings.

at ASU they have the second floor of the Science Library... NOB EL.. of maps.. i did researc h on the old mps.. because LONDON was set at the LAW of 7 grid around the planet.. check out its degrees..

just as the Scottish DNA is at the British Open in St. andrews.. 33%....

they play by the laws for themselves of 3 & 7... prime. plans for their own DECEPTION and INCARCERATION.. but UC they have not yet learned that lesson..


ah ho WIO

How about they firured that if they did bomb the day before, there would be a sympathy vote and London would have gotten it for sure.



Sure. I have covered that above. See my comments pls.



But what i am surprized at is that Anders is not following the money angle. France has every thing to gain from the bombings.



LOL.

Nope - no way is this an SDCE job, SDCE is MI6 Central.

Nope this is a Londom Illuminati False Flag job, clear as day.

anders is absolutely right !
he figured this out !
bump !

I already had figured that.

for the slow to understand...maybe there is still hope they will get it before they are trapped

I already had figured that.

for the slow to understand...maybe there is still hope they will get it before they are trapped

Conspiranoia run amok!

thanks for the bump!

ANDERS, YOUR VIEWS PLEASE.

CLARIFICATION FOR NON UK RESIDENTS.

LEEDS IS JOINED TO LONDON BY M1 MOTORWAY.

LUTON IS LAST MAJOR TOWN ON M1 MOTOERWAY BEFORE LONDON.

LONDON IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO PARK/DRIVE.

SO MANY VISITORS PARK IN PLACES LIKE LUTON AND TAKE A FAST TRAIN. NORMAL.

THESE FOUR GUYS FILMED JOINING UP IN KINGS CROSS, LUTON LINE TERMINUS. CAR PARKED IN LUTON.

SEEMS TO ME THEY WERE SET UP. PERHAPS THINKING THEY WERE DOING A "LONDON TREASURE" HUNT TYPE OF THING. VIDEO CLEARLY SHOWS THEM IN GOOD SPIRITS. NOT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM FOUR TYPICAL YOUNG BRITS EVEN IF MOSLEMS.

THE FLY IN THE SCENARION IS THE "BOMB FACTORY" SUPPOSEDLY FOUND BUT IS THAT THE SAME AS THE "EXPLOSIVE" TOWELLS THAT CONVICTED THE GUIDFORD FOUR?

LOOKING AT IT FROM THIS DISTANCE, THEY WERE NOT SUICIDE BOMBERS BUT VICTIMS.

GL

ANDERS, YOUR VIEWS PLEASE.

CLARIFICATION FOR NON UK RESIDENTS.

LEEDS IS JOINED TO LONDON BY M1 MOTORWAY.

LUTON IS LAST MAJOR TOWN ON M1 MOTOERWAY BEFORE LONDON.

LONDON IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO PARK/DRIVE.

SO MANY VISITORS PARK IN PLACES LIKE LUTON AND TAKE A FAST TRAIN. NORMAL.

THESE FOUR GUYS FILMED JOINING UP IN KINGS CROSS, LUTON LINE TERMINUS. CAR PARKED IN LUTON.



so far so good

they were dupes IMHO, patsies

now it is being said not C4 from the balkans but the same unstable crapola that was in the shoe-bombers shoe

i suggest folks read up on manchurian candidates

MKULTRA Hypnosis and Manchurian Candidate Projects



These are some excerpts dealing with MKULTRA experiments using hypnosis to create so-called Manchurian Candidates. They are from the book Bluebird: Deliberate Creation of Multiple Personality by Psychiatrists, by Colin Ross, MD, 2000. Note the mention of the use of subliminal voices recorded into music to induce hypnosis in certain individuals. Note also the final conclusion based on BLUEBIRD/ARTICHOKE documents: that Manchurian Candidates were successfully created and tested by physicians working for the CIA.


It is not currently publicly documented whether children were used in such experiments, but the deliberate creation of multiple personalities in children was an explicitly stated plan in a 1961 MKULTRA Subproject Proposal. Many victims claim to have undergone precisely this sort of program as children. For more excerpts from Ross´ book, see MKULTRA Subprojects Involving Children -- which also details the whitewashed nature of the surviving MKULTRA files.

I have included the introductory material referred to in the text at the end. Note that at least nominally it concerns an ESP project -- which was approved by the Chief of the Technical Services Division of the CIA in 1961. I would interpret it as using ESP experiments as a cover deception for mind control experiments (such as the stated goal of creating multiple personalities). Even if the experimenter was something of a CIA-connected crackpot, any victims would still suffer just as much. There is also the discrediting potential for anyone who later reports it. This is still a possibility today, but I´ll assume that people are now much more savvy about cover stories planned for discrediting. People who really believe in such powers -- and many people do have that potentially exploitable belief system -- might make especially good subjects due to their mental acceptance of external suggestions as somehow "natural." (Those who do believe in real ESP powers might interpret the experiment as the CIA investigating such abilities, along with how to control and exploit those who have that "gift" -- but the previous concerns are still valid even in this case.)



[p.58-61]


MKULTRA Manchurian Candidate work on hypnotic couriers and hypnotic mind control was carried out by Alden Sears at the University of Denver and the University of Minnesota under Subprojects 5, 25, 29 and 49. Sears had TOP SECRET clearance and on September 8, 1954 he signed a CIA secrecy agreement. This document states that the legislation controlling the Agreement was the Espionage Act passed on June 15, 1917.





SEEMS TO ME THEY WERE SET UP. PERHAPS THINKING THEY WERE DOING A "LONDON TREASURE" HUNT TYPE OF THING.


the tube war games being carried out by the intel consultancy




VIDEO CLEARLY SHOWS THEM IN GOOD SPIRITS. NOT WHAT YOU WOULD EXPECT FROM FOUR TYPICAL YOUNG BRITS EVEN IF MOSLEMS.



is all bizarre and does not fit logically



THE FLY IN THE SCENARION IS THE "BOMB FACTORY" SUPPOSEDLY FOUND BUT IS THAT THE SAME AS THE "EXPLOSIVE" TOWELLS THAT CONVICTED THE GUIDFORD FOUR?



not too convincing - is it?

Also note the public investigations into the London bombing which shows that a security company, Fortress GB, a smart card technology developer and integrator for ICTS Europe, which is an Israeli security company based in the Netherlands, a subsidiary of which is Huntleigh. Huntleigh was the security contractor at Logan Airport on 9/11 that failed to provide us with CCTV evidence of hijackers. The London Underground is one of Fortress GB’s clients and according to their press release they provide smart card technology (personal details and biometric information) for contractors that operate in Tube stations. It makes me wonder if Peter Power’s Visor Consultants were identified by these smart cards and if the four young men from Leeds were ever issued smart cards." Read details at: [link to www.fortressgb.com] Press Releases of G8 May 23, 2002 on Smart card/Biometric pilot at Newark Airport, NJ, USA. Also note that ICTS, it should be remembered, handled security at all the airports from which the 9-11 planes departed.