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Jupiter-sized object lurking at the solar systemís edge, affecting Earth.

 
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I know this sounds weird but in one Obama reverse speech he said "we have an igloo in the sun" I could not figure that one out and remembered it. Perhaps it has to do with this thread.
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this makes me think of a previous GLP post by AC 832564:

***East Coasters in the rain***Are you hearing things in the sky??? Quote






have you posted your info on glp before? serious stuff.
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The full document:

Extra-Solar System Object currently at aphelion.

Ancient Catastrophes determined to be on cyclical basis [precise calendar]. Three comet clusters associated with catastrophic cycle from multiple ancient cultures. [Sumerian, Egyptian, Greek/Roman, Aztec, Mayan, Hopi, etc.]

Cluster A now detectable near Sun [Sungrazers], causing current perturbations (solar flares and magnetic filaments) of the Sun and climate change, increasing geological instability of Earth (increased earthquakes and volcanic activity, landslides and sinkholes, "Gulf Oil Volcano") and atmospheric fireballs/explosions reported globally (Indonesian meteor explosion/October 2009/Colombian meteor impact September 2010/San Bruno, CA "Event"). Climatic and geological changes also currently being observed on all planets in our solar system [surface of Pluto changing colors, multiple comet impacts witnessed on Jupiter in 2009/10, impact on Venus 2009].

Trajectory of comet cluster indeterminable due to extenuating factors (out-gassing, exact Astronomical Unit distance and Mass of Extra-Solar System object, [Nibiru, Nemesis, Quetzalcoatl, Vulcan, Marduk, Phaeton, Kulkulkan, Wormwood, et al.] gravitational forces of Sun, Jupiter and other planets.) Ancient cultures worshiped this planet/star as a god because of its devastating effects on planet Earth.

The passage of ESSO also coincides with arrival of interstellar dust cloud/plasma field. As Earth is drawn into the denser parts of the Plasma Field, the dust cloud/plasma interacts with Earth's protective shield (magnetosphere), odd atmospheric phenomena will be reported in the skies around the world (Norway Spiral December 2009/Australia spiral June 2010).

These spirals were witnessed by the ancients, who carved the sacred spiral symbol in rocks and in caves on all continents of the planet (save Antarctica) thousands of years ago, as they witnessed these spirals in the sky shortly before the last Earth Catastrophe (Noah's Flood/Epic of Gilgamesh/Lost City of Atlantis/Destruction of Sodom & Gommorah/Decaulion Flood "myth").

Interactions with higher density plasma will also cause odd lightning and magnetic phenomena (change/alteration in global cloud patterns, bizarre lightning displays and booming, resonating thunder). Increasing plasma energy will affect all forms of life. Initially, this will manifest in smaller life forms (insects and non-vertebrae) that will begin to flourish [massive insect swarms/Plagues of Egypt (locust swarms/bedbugs, jellyfish "explosion" in the oceans.] Increase in algae/bacteria (red tide) in oceans and rivers (another Plague of Egypt, "the water turned red as blood"). Disorientation and increase in aggressive behaviors in mammals (including humans). The plasma field will also compromise human and animal immune systems, creating outbreaks of new diseases (Swine Flu) as it slowly poisons. As these events manifest, the arrival of the cataclysmic comet swarms draws perilously close. (Comet Hartley/NASA's "Deep Impact" Project October 2010).

Noticeable changes in global socioeconomic establishments will precede catastrophic events. Major, unusual shifts in political maneuverings between countries should accelerate accordingly, as preparations are made for event mode [STUXNET]. Media black-outs on events in the higher realm of odd or unusual [Military classifying incoming asteroid/comet threats as top secret]. Complete breakdown of global weather patterns attributed to extra-solar system object/interstellar dust cloud/comet swarm will be difficult to conceal, as untold millions around the world will be victims. Slow realization that human activity is NOT responsible for current climate change will arrive too late. Past impact zones on Earth documented at length, many responsible for recorded Ice Ages and Extinction Level Events.

Ancient timekeepers/ astronomers (Maya, Egyptian, Inca, Hopi, etc.) knew where to look for this extra-solar system object and tried to warn humanity of its impending "return". Knowledge and clues of this objects existence were embedded in ancient monuments, stone carvings, oral tradition, literature, religious beliefs and sculptures and paintings for centuries. The prelude of its arrival is already creating the news headlines currently being witnessed globally. These events will increase at a more rapid and intense pace the closer Extra-Solar system object approaches. Preparations should be well under way for all private individuals.
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This sums up GLP in my mind. Very interesting though.
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The extra comets come from Nibiru which is broken up now.

the Anunnaki never did find enough gold to heal their planet and it exploded into a wide debris field a million miles in diameter.

RA has spoken.

You should listen.

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Found this pretty interesting

A few excerpts from article:

A century of comet data suggests a dark, Jupiter-sized object is lurking at the solar systemís outer edge and hurling chunks of ice and dust toward Earth.

In 1999, Matese and colleague Daniel Whitmire suggested the sun has a hidden companion that boots icy bodies from the Oort Cloud, a spherical haze of comets at the solar systemís fringes, into the inner solar system where we can see them.

Rather than a malevolent death star, a smaller and more benign companion called Tyche (Nemesisí good sister in Greek mythology) could send comets streaming from the Oort Cloud toward Earth


Full Article:

[link to www.wired.com]
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Any star that throws ice balls at earth ain't "BENIGN".
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Here is an animation that roughly shows why and how objects are thought to be ejected from the edge of space. The theoretical model, named Sheer Edge, is also widely thought to be typical of a binary system. In a binary system, you would expect the two companion stars gravity fields to cause any excess matter to be sheered away (ejected or captured) on a regular basis.

[link to www.binaryresearchinstitute.org]
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Pretty sure this was posted... and maybe pinned days ago. We running so low on space stories that old ones get rehashed?
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The extra comets come from Nibiru which is broken up now.

the Anunnaki never did find enough gold to heal their planet and it exploded into a wide debris field a million miles in diameter.

RA has spoken.

You should listen.

Ommmdumdedommm
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Thats because the Anunnaki were captured by Xenu and brought to earth in magical space dc-8s to be turned into thetans. And the rest is history and Tom Cruise.
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planet X.



I was never part of the planet X camp, but stuff like this is compelling.
At least it's info and not a damned cell phone video of the sun through a car window lol
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Planet x could be something they made up to discredit the real danger...a large body flinging comets into our solar system and causing mass extinctions.
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Here is some more 'proof'.

This comes directly from the NASA website. It is a press release from the Royal Astronomical Society labeled 'for immediate release'. It was released in 1999.


"Dr Murray notes that the comets reaching the inner solar system include a group coming from directions in space that are strung out along an arc across the sky."



BURIED PROOF OF NEMESIS?! Directly from NASA website: comets reaching the inner solar system include a group strung out along an arc across the sky
Thread: BURIED PROOF OF NEMESIS?! Directly from NASA website: comets reaching the inner solar system include a group strung out along an arc across the sky
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NASA can't explain the vast number of incoming comets observed. Also their orbits hint at some gravitational disturbance, far out:

"The standard model can't produce anywhere near the number of comets we see [falling in from the Oort Cloud]. The Sun's sibling stars had to have contributed some comets to the mix."

There's no way we could be that far off, so there has to be something wrong with the model itself."

He points to the cometary orbits as evidence.

"These comets are in very odd orbits Ė highly eccentric long-period orbits that take them far from our Sun, into remote regions of space. So they couldn't have been born in orbit around the Sun. They had to have formed close to other stars and then been hijacked here."

[link to science.nasa.gov]

bump
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first link broken?
here
[link to science.nasa.gov]

Who knows, perhaps SOHO is malfunctioning for a reason, this month?
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Or perhaps it's the unimaginable and undetected or unthought of occurrence that causes such seemingly odd interactions and orbital behaviours.

Not everything can be explained or even proved by theory as our knowledge and understanding of the complexities of space is but a fraction of reality.
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Or perhaps it's the unimaginable and undetected or unthought of occurrence that causes such seemingly odd interactions and orbital behaviours.

Not everything can be explained or even proved by theory as our knowledge and understanding of the complexities of space is but a fraction of reality.
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Hmmm....

The sun is reacting to forces that canít be seen. As requested, we will now ďshowĒ them to you and explain NIBIRU, PLANET X, and WORMWOOD.


Thread: The sun is reacting to forces that canít be seen. As requested, we will now ďshowĒ them to you and explain NIBIRU, PLANET X, and WORMWOOD.





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I think Richard the crazy Britisher posted a thread this morning about the same thing.

--- correction wasn't Richard, sorry. ---

Thread: "Giant Stealth Planet" story on Yahoo right now!!!

[link to news.yahoo.com]

Yahoo's news clip seems a little more far out, says the potential object could be 4 times the size of Jupiter.

Question, couldn't we just use gravitational computation to calculate what size we think this thing is and where it might be?

I shat Niburu.

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Question, couldn't we just use gravitational computation to calculate what size we think this thing is and where it might be?
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The gravitational computation can be used to calculate mass, but not size (volume). This is in essence what the researchers did. Based on the orbits of some comets, they calculated a mass and a distance to an object that could be perturbing those comets.
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why are comets always thrown towards our sun? would they not have more chance of being thrown out of the solar system?

If there is a Jupiter like object that far out that can 'throw' comets at us, would its gravity well also cause the apparent speed discrepancies that NASA reports exists with their earl space probes?
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its Nibiru its nibiru
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why are comets always thrown towards our sun? would they not have more chance of being thrown out of the solar system?
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That does happen, but those that are would not be seen as they would immediately depart the vicinity of the solar system from the oort cloud. In fact, it's been hypothesized that we might one day see a comet traveling at far greater than solar escape velocity as it approaches, indicating it may actually have been ejected from another solar system and just happens to be passing through ours.
If there is a Jupiter like object that far out that can 'throw' comets at us, would its gravity well also cause the apparent speed discrepancies that NASA reports exists with their earl space probes?
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Highly unlikely; the various spacecraft escaping the solar system are leaving on different trajectories. They wouldn't all feel an unexpected sunward "pull" if there were a discrepancy due to a planet X lurking at oort cloud distances, instead one direction would feel a sunward pull and the opposite direction would feel an anti-sunward pull:
[link to www.heavens-above.com]
In particular, note how pioneer 10 and 11 are heading out in essentially opposite directions, yet both spacecraft exhibit the famous pioneer anomaly in a sunward direction. By trajectory alone we can say this is not due to this hypothesized planet X.

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Highly unlikely; the various spacecraft escaping the solar system are leaving on different trajectories. They wouldn't all feel an unexpected sunward "pull" if there were a discrepancy due to a planet X lurking at oort cloud distances, instead one direction would feel a sunward pull and the opposite direction would feel an anti-sunward pull:
[link to www.heavens-above.com]
In particular, note how pioneer 10 and 11 are heading out in essentially opposite directions, yet both spacecraft exhibit the famous pioneer anomaly in a sunward direction. By trajectory alone we can say this is not due to this hypothesized planet X.
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Any thoughts on the "reprogramming" of one probe and the complete loss of escape velocity on another?

I'm busy so I assume you know the probes I am talking about...

Thanks! hf
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Any thoughts on the "reprogramming" of one probe and the complete loss of escape velocity on another?

I'm busy so I assume you know the probes I am talking about...

Thanks! hf
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I assume you're talking about the voyager bit flip in the first part? It was just a single "bit" of data that caused that problem, a bit flip. The most likely cause is that of a cosmic ray hit on the chip holding that bit, causing it to switch. Had it actually been "reprogramed" showing a significant amount of its memory changing then it might have been something truly abnormal, but bit flips in spacecraft are not unusual. It's actually less common for Voyager because there's less solar radiation to contend with, which can also cause bit flips in near-earth (or at least, intrasolar system) satellites. It happened with Cassini just a matter of days ago:
[link to satelit.web.id]

The second part of your question I'm less sure of. Are you referring to the Japanese probe that flew by Venus instead of going into Venusian orbit?

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planet X.
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planet of the apes
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I assume you're talking about the voyager bit flip in the first part? It was just a single "bit" of data that caused that problem, a bit flip. The most likely cause is that of a cosmic ray hit on the chip holding that bit, causing it to switch. Had it actually been "reprogramed" showing a significant amount of its memory changing then it might have been something truly abnormal, but bit flips in spacecraft are not unusual. It's actually less common for Voyager because there's less solar radiation to contend with, which can also cause bit flips in near-earth satellites. It happened with Cassini just a matter of days ago:
[link to satelit.web.id]

The second part of your question I'm less sure of. Are you referring to the Japanese probe that flew by Venus instead of going into Venusian orbit?
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Gotcha on the first one... they even talked about bit flips in BSG. :)

The second one is Pioneer 10...

They picked up some odd behavior earlier in the decade... [link to www.physicspost.com]

It is now known as the "Pioneer Anomaly". [link to www.planetary.org]

wtf

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Gotcha on the first one... they even talked about bit flips in BSG. :)

The second one is Pioneer 10...

They picked up some odd behavior earlier in the decade... [link to www.physicspost.com]

It is now known as the "Pioneer Anomaly". [link to www.planetary.org]

wtf
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Oh ok, yeah, I was just talking about that; pioneer 10 and 11 both experience the same sunward pull despite heading out of the solar system in opposite directions, so it's not "Nemesis" or "planet X" at 25000-30000 AUs pulling on them. In fact, to give everyone a sense of scale, depsite traveling faster than solar escape velocity, these probes are still only ~100+ AUs from the sun. If there is something lurking at Oort cloud distances as Matese suggests, even Voyager and Pioneer will fail to reach that radius from the sun in our lifetimes.

Pioneer 10 is still traveling well above solar escape velocity though, as is Pioneer 11, and the Voyagers. At 100AUs distance from the sun, solar escape velocity is approximately 4.3 km/sec. Pioneer 10 is just over 102AUs from the sun and is currently traveling 12 km/sec relative to the sun.
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Oh ok, yeah, I was just talking about that; pioneer 10 and 11 both experience the same sunward pull despite heading out of the solar system in opposite directions, so it's not "Nemesis" or "planet X" at 25000-30000 AUs pulling on them. In fact, to give everyone a sense of scale, depsite traveling faster than solar escape velocity, these probes are still only ~100+ AUs from the sun. If there is something lurking at Oort cloud distances as Matese suggests, even Voyager and Pioneer will fail to reach that radius from the sun in our lifetimes.

Pioneer 10 is still traveling well above solar escape velocity though, as is Pioneer 11, and the Voyagers. At 100AUs distance from the sun, solar escape velocity is approximately 4.3 km/sec. Pioneer 10 is just over 102AUs from the sun and is currently traveling 12 km/sec relative to the sun.
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Additionally, earth telescopes would be able to detect the bend of the light caused by a stellar body so close to our solar system... so no need to sort out the IR image from the back ground clutter.. there would be a part of deep space that looks "warped"...no?

Since we don't observe this... that would tend to indicate no stellar body lurking out there? Astrophysics is NOT one of my stronger areas... just guessing, Astronut am I on track here?

Thanks! hf
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Additionally, earth telescopes would be able to detect the bend of the light caused by a stellar body so close to our solar system... so no need to sort out the IR image from the back ground clutter.. there would be a part of deep space that looks "warped"...no?
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Depends on the mass, it would have to be pretty massive to have significant gravitational lensing. Perturbations of orbits would be a much easier effect to observe, but if we call the pioneer anomaly one such perturbation then the location of planet X reduces to... the sun lol. Matese's theory relies on trying to determine the possible presence of a perturber of comets at 25000-30000 AUs. Such an object would be a significant fraction of a light year away from all our probes, not to mention the planets themselves, thus it would have no detectable direct effect on anything at all. The only effect it would have on us is indirect through cyclical comet storms, but since the orbit would be in excess of a million years, the cycle itself would be similarly long. There have been good counterarguments to the whole hypothesis as well by looking for shifts in the extinction cycle that correlate with the close approach of other stars to our solar system in history (determined by tracing back the proper motions of nearby solar systems). Thus far no such correlation has been found; a real "nemesis" should have its orbit altered during such encounters and it should induce some kind of change in the extinction cycle as a result, but so far none has been found.

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No there is not. Stop this retarded thread now.