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FINALLY, PLANET X - PLEASE PIN!

 
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If the Mayans and Sumerians were able to see PX and record information about it, shouldn't any amateur astronomer with a decent telescope be able to find it? I'm sure even the low end quality telescopes are far better at spotting celestial objects (especially those of the reputed size of PX) than the naked eye . . .

We've got Jupiter-sized planets being found 10s or more lightyears away - with that technology, we should be able, practically, to read a Niburu newspaper from here if it is so close to our solar system.
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Nibiru doom is SO much better than anything on the GLP buffet the past dew days...
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If the Mayans and Sumerians were able to see PX and record information about it, shouldn't any amateur astronomer with a decent telescope be able to find it? I'm sure even the low end quality telescopes are far better at spotting celestial objects (especially those of the reputed size of PX) than the naked eye . . .

We've got Jupiter-sized planets being found 10s or more lightyears away - with that technology, we should be able, practically, to read a Niburu newspaper from here if it is so close to our solar system.
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Just a thought...

Both the Mayans and the Sumerians were accomplished astronomers. It's possible they didn't need to see a Px to decide it was what was causing disturbances in the solar system (ie increase in comets/asteroids).
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This is very old news.
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This is very old news.

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this is very old news....

and its not planet X, its what would be the nemesis theory.

Now we just wait for one of the comets like usual.

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Sitchen was debunked by this man with a PHD in the field who was could also read Sumerian tablets. He outed Sitchen as a dis informant.

There was a video of him doing lectures in the States, and I can't find it

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New York Times June 19, 1982
A pair of American spacecraft may help scientists detect what could be a 10th planet or a giant object billions of miles away, the national Aeronautics and Space Administration said Thursday. Scientists at the space agency's Ames Research Center said the two spacecraft, Pioneer 10 and 11, which are already farther into space than any other man-made object, might add to knowledge of a mysterious object believed to be beyond the solar system's outermost known planets.

The space agency said that persistent irregularities in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune "suggest some kind of mystery object is really there" with its distance depending on what it is. If the mystery object is a new planet, it may lie five billion miles beyond the outer orbital ring of known planets, the space agency said. If it is a dark star type of objet, it may be 50 billion miles beyond the known planets; if it is a black hole, 100 billion miles. A black hole is a hypothetical body in space, believed to be a collapsed star so condensed that neither light nor matter can escape from its gravitational field.

Newsweek Does the Sun Have a Dark Companion?June 28 1982
When scientists noticed that Uranus wasn't following its predicted orbit for example, they didn't question their theories. Instead they blamed the anomalies on an as yet unseen planet and, sure enough, Neptune was discovered in 1846. Now astronomers are using the same strategy to explain quirks in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune.

According to John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., this odd behavior suggests that the sun has an unseen companion, a dark star gravitationally bound to it but billions of miles away. ... Other scientists suggest that the most likely cause of the orbital snags is a tenth planet 4 to 7 billion miles beyond Neptune.

A companion star would tug the outer planets, not just Uranus and Neptune, says Thomas Van Flandern of the U.S Naval Observatory. And where he admits a tenth planet is possible, but argues that it would have to be so big - a least the size of Uranus - that it should have been discovered by now. To resolve the question, NASA is staying tuned to Pioneer 10 and 11, the planetary probes that are flying through the dim reaches of the solar system on opposite sides of the sun.

New York Times January 30, 1983
Something out there beyond the farthest reaches of the known solar system seems to be tugging at Uranus and Neptune. Some gravitational force keeps perturbing the two giant planets, causing irregularities in their orbits. The force suggests a presence far away and unseen, a large object that may be the long- sought Planet X. ... The last time a serious search of the skies was made it led to the discovery in 1930 of Pluto, the ninth planet.

But the story begins more than a century before that, after the discovery of Uranus in 1781 by the English astronomer and musician William Herschel. Until then, the planetary system seemed to end with Saturn.

As astronomers observed Uranus, noting irregularities in its orbital path, many speculated that they were witnessing the gravitational pull of an unknown planet. So began the first planetary search based on astronomers predictions, which ended in the 1840's with the discovery of Neptune almost simultaneously by English, French, and German astronomers.

But Neptune was not massive enough to account entirely for the orbital behavior of Uranus. Indeed, Neptune itself seemed to be affected by a still more remote planet. In the last 19th century, two American astronomers, Willian H. Pickering and Percival Lowell, predicted the size and approximate location of the trans-Neptunian body, which Lowell called Planet X. Years later, Pluto was detected by Clyde W. Tombaugh working at Lowell Observatory in Arizona. Several astronomers, however, suspected it might not be the Planet X of prediction.

Subsequent observation proved them right. Pluto was too small to change the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, the combined mass of Pluto and its recently discovered satellite, Charon, is only 1/5 that of Earth's moon.

Recent calculations by the United States Naval Observatory have confirmed the orbital perturbation exhibited by Uranus and Neptune, which Dr. Thomas C Van Flandern, an astronomer at the observatory, says could be explained by "a single undiscovered planet". He and a colleague, Dr. Richard Harrington, calculate that the 10th planet should be two to five times more massive than Earth and have a highly elliptical orbit that takes it some 5 billion miles beyond that of Pluto - hardly next-door but still within the gravitational influence of the Sun.

US News World Report Planet X - Is It Really Out There? Sept 10, 1984 Shrouded from the sun's light, mysteriously tugging at the orbits of Uranus and Neptune, is an unseen force that astronomers suspect may be Planet X - a 10th resident of the Earth's celestial neighborhood. Last year, the infrared astronomical satellite (IRAS), circling in a polar orbit 560 miles from the Earth, detected heat from an object about 50 billion miles away that is now the subject of intense speculation.

"All I can say is that we don't know what it is yet," says Gerry Neugesbeuer, director of the Palomar Observatory for the California Institute of Technology. Scientists are hopeful that the one-way journeys of the Pioneer 10 and 11 space probes may help to locate the nameless body.
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The original statement was that in 1983 IRAS “discovered” a mysterious object and that the Washington Post ran an article saying it was a planet. The Washington Post article took a statement out of context. The 1984 papers from which the Washington Post article were derived said there were 9 objects they had no id for and they could be anything from a distant planet to a galaxy because they didn’t have enough information. These 9 objects were quickly identified but the Washington Post never printed a follow-up story. Guess a headline that read “No Planet Discovered” doesn’t sell as many papers as one that says “Mysterious Planet Discovered”. Go figure.

The nine objects and there identity are listed below:

0358+223 3h 58m 2.8s 22d 18’ 0” galaxy
0404+101 4h 4m 44.7s 10d 11’ 52” galaxy
0412+085 4h 12m 32.3s 8d 31’ 13” dust cloud
0413+122 4h 13m 47.3s 12d 17’ 16” galaxy
0422+009 4h 22m 54.0s 0d 56’ 6” galaxy
0425-012 4h 25m 12.1s -1d 14’ 50” galaxy
1703+049 17h 3m 1.4s 4d 57’ 50” galaxy
1712+100 17h 12m 57.8s 10d 4’ 8’ galaxy
1732_239 17h 32m 51.4s 23d 56’ 36” galaxy

Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey, Houck et al. Astrophysical Journal, vol. 278, March 1, 1984, p. L63-L66

Unidentified IRAS sources - Ultrahigh-luminosity galaxies, Houck et al., Astrophysical Journal, vol. 290, March 1, 1985, p. L5-L8.

Optical counterparts of unidentified IRAS point sources Infrared luminous galaxies, Aaronson and Olszewski, Nature, vol. 309, May 31, 1984, p. 414-417.
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Story just came out today dipshit.
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In 1999 Matese wrote the first paper saying the same thing. The latest paper is an update using some new data and a more careful analysis
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That's pretty big, but still not star sized.
Anybody know how many jupiter masses = sun mass?
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About 1000 Juptiers to make the Sun
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You forget this is a CONSPIRACY FORUM, not a NEWS FORUM!!!! By the time it gets in the news we will probably only have two days left.

The idea of this forum is to get to the real conspiracy news, do you really think they are gonna say on CNN or BBC, ok there is a planet 4 times the size of jupiter heading for us?!!? Of course they are not.
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Yeah, 'they' wouldn't tell us until a day before if even that. They wouldn't want 6 billion people demanding entrance to their underground cities they've been building the last few decades.
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A brown dwarf doesnt have to be much larger than Jupiter
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S Ori 47 is the smallest known brown dwarf and is about 15 Jupiter masses
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This site is going downhill fast...


5 pages into a Planet X thread and nobody has posted the obligatory






zetas right again!
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I might be 4x the mass of Jupiter, but if it's a dead star, it might be the size of Earth or smaller.
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That is in diamter, not mass. The mass will still be around the mass of the Sun
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Possibly as Large as Jupiter;
Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered



By Thomas O'Toole, Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, December 30, 1983 ; Page A1

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth
that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation
Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a
nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that
it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the
light cast by its stars ever gets through.

"All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief
scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory
for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and
has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous
planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 trillion miles. While that may seem like a
great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact
that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto.

"If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of
Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the
IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists
would even begin to classify it."

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from
last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its
telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six
months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky
near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time.

"This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've
observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved
if it were as close as 50 trillion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have
moved in six months time."

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40
degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 456 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope
aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are
only 20 degrees above absolute zero.

When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as
50 trillion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth.

"It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much
cold water as I can."

Then, what is it? What if it is as large as Jupiter and so close to the sun it would be part of the
solar system? Conceivably, it could be the 10th planet astronomers have searched for in vain.
It also might be a Jupiter-like star that started out to become a star eons ago but never got hot
enough like the sun to become a star.

While they cannot disprove that notion, Neugebauer and Houck are so bedeviled by it that
they do not want to accept it. Neugebauer and Houck "hope" the mystery body is a distant
galaxy either so young that its stars have not begun to shine or so surrounded by dust that its
starlight cannot penetrate the shroud.

"I believe it's one of these dark, young galaxies that we have never been able to observe
before," Neugebauer said.

"If it is, then it is a major step forward in our understanding of the size of the universe, how the
universe formed and how it continues to form as time goes on."

The next step in pinpointing what the mystery body is, Neuegebauer said, is to search for it
with the world's largest optical telescopes. Already, the 100-inch diameter telescope at Cerro
del Tololo in Chile has begun its search and the 200-inch telescope at Palomar Mountain in
California has earmarked several nights next year to look for it. If the body is close enough
and emits even a hint of light, the Palomar telescope should find it since the infrared satellite
has pinpointed its position.

(ITEM 123)December 31, 1983, Saturday, Final Edition
(ITEM 127)The distance from earth of a mysterious object in space was reported incorrectly
in some editions yesterday. The correct figure is 50 billion miles.

Articles appear as they were originally printed in The Washington Post and may not
include subsequent corrections.

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No planet was discovered. The original statement was that in 1984 IRAS “discovered” a mysterious object and that the Washington Post ran an article saying it was a planet. The Washington Post article took a statement out of context. The 1984 papers from which the Washington Post article were derived said there were 9 objects they had no id for and they could be anything from a distant planet to a galaxy because they didn’t have enough information. These 9 objects were quickly identified but the Washington Post never printed a follow-up story. Guess a headline that read “No Planet Discovered” doesn’t sell as many papers as one that says “Mysterious Planet Discovered”. Go figure.

The nine objects and there identity are listed below:

0358+223 3h 58m 2.8s 22d 18’ 0” galaxy
0404+101 4h 4m 44.7s 10d 11’ 52” galaxy
0412+085 4h 12m 32.3s 8d 31’ 13” dust cloud
0413+122 4h 13m 47.3s 12d 17’ 16” galaxy
0422+009 4h 22m 54.0s 0d 56’ 6” galaxy
0425-012 4h 25m 12.1s -1d 14’ 50” galaxy
1703+049 17h 3m 1.4s 4d 57’ 50” galaxy
1712+100 17h 12m 57.8s 10d 4’ 8’ galaxy
1732_239 17h 32m 51.4s 23d 56’ 36” galaxy

Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey, Houck et al. Astrophysical Journal, vol. 278, March 1, 1984, p. L63-L66

Unidentified IRAS sources - Ultrahigh-luminosity galaxies, Houck et al., Astrophysical Journal, vol. 290, March 1, 1985, p. L5-L8.

Optical counterparts of unidentified IRAS point sources Infrared luminous galaxies, Aaronson and Olszewski, Nature, vol. 309, May 31, 1984, p. 414-417.
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It is very misleading - it is four times the size of Jupiter but millions of times the mass
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So you are trying to tell us that Nibiru is 1000 times the mass of the Sun.
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zetas right again!
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zetas wouldn't be right if you cut their entire left side off,....
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I don't take you seriously anymore.

You are a one trick pony when it comes to shilling the official talking points.

But ur avatar is cute.
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BINGO SHIL this guy debunks anything to do with pole shift nibiru..Government shill
Go fast or go home
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Pin this bitch!! bump ohyeah
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They will never pin this never
Go fast or go home
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It is very misleading - it is four times the size of Jupiter but millions of times the mass



So you are trying to tell us that Nibiru is 1000 times the mass of the Sun.
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one 7th the mass of the sun
Go fast or go home
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eventually you just stop reading the shill posts, but their presence always lends a little credence to the matter.
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Pin this bitch!! bump ohyeah

They will never pin this never
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why not? seems like there's a good debate going on in the thread.
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It is very misleading - it is four times the size of Jupiter but millions of times the mass



So you are trying to tell us that Nibiru is 1000 times the mass of the Sun.
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one 7th the mass of the sun

The sumerians have spoke of this planet 6000 years ago,if you look through earths history every 3600 we get spanked.
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one 7th the mass of the sun
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The Sun is 1000 Jupiter masses. If something is "millions" of times the mass of Jupiter it is over 1000 times the mass of the Sun.

So, where did you get one 7th the mass of the sun?
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eventually you just stop reading the shill posts, but their presence always lends a little credence to the matter.
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What stupid logic. I claim there is a 10 ton elephant in your house right now and you are a drug addict. Are you going to deny it? If you deny it is surely gives credence. If you don't deny it is must be true.
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The sumerians have spoke of this planet 6000 years ago,if you look through earths history every 3600 we get spanked.
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Funny how there is absolutely no evidence for this.
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The sumerians have spoke of this planet 6000 years ago,if you look through earths history every 3600 we get spanked.



Funny how there is absolutely no evidence for this.
 Quoting: Commutator

Funny how there is absolutely evidence for this.





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