Why do "dark" magickians use the "sacred name" YHWH before their rituals? | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1172424 United States 12/02/2010 10:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So I am cruising YouTube, somehow got from Enoch to Enochian Magik, after a couple of minutes of browsing. Now the video I am posting is a guy who is obviously practicing the dark arts and is stark raving mad, I noticed that he uses the name YHWH at the beginning of all his rituals. After researching a bit it seems this is common. Question is, why? Isn't this the name of God according to the Bible? Seems like two and two shouldnt go together. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178322Ah, the Banishing ritual of the Pentagram is derived from Rosicrucian sources, which is after all a type of Christian Gnostic Mysticism. Hence the use of the holy names of 'god'. Your problem is you seem to think that magick is evil, when there are, in fact, many different kinds. But, your book tells you what to think, so there you are. Wrong. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | my psychic grandma touched a bible and felt the evil present in them Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1181750she says it's no different than a quiji board That's interesting. I would like to hear some more from her. What does she "believe" in? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well yeah, I am trying to get some feedback, I admitted I dont know much about the topic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1172424Indeed. Fair enough. Forgive my jabs at your good book. I did some minor research, and it seems like they have reinterpreted the name to represent the four elements, and the four corner of the earth. |
Least Servant User ID: 1062754 United States 12/02/2010 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well yeah, I am trying to get some feedback, I admitted I dont know much about the topic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178322Magick itself is not "dark"... any more so than chemistry or physics has moral weight. Occult simply means hidden... at one point, all western science was done in occult practice. :romaflag: Not enough to fight, too many to die. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well yeah, I am trying to get some feedback, I admitted I dont know much about the topic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069948Are you looking up stuff on Enoch OP? Yeah, Enoch...the biblical character, Enochian Keys eventually popped up in the sidebar. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is fairly well known that YHWH is a demon pretending to be a god. It tricked a lot of people for a very long time and as it is a prince among liars it convinced them that the Lord of Light was actually the Lord of Dark. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1181745My buddy insists, that Moses was a "good" Egyptian prince, who began hanging out with the slaves...they initiated him into their Voodoo and hence we have Judaism based on that initial brainwashing. He is a nutcase, but it was still an interesting theory. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1178267 Canada 12/02/2010 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To decieve. lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178322What else would dark magiacians do with their magicianing? Kinda obvious Deceive themselves? What is a banishing ritual? I would say they would be decieving the spectators. A banishing ritual is alot like doing the dishes. Or taking out the trash. I would imagine. A ritual is a ritual. Only has meaning to the one doing it... and the spectators of coarse. What ever is part of the magicians gig i guess. And the tricks they play. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Ah... ------ Banishing is also known as Centering, which in many respects, is a more accurate term for the exercise. So what is a Banishing Ritual? Essentially, Banishing has three aims. The first is that it 'warms you up' as a preparation for doing further ritual, meditation, or whatever, enabling you to put aside 'everyday thoughts' - "what's on TV later", etc. It allows you to take on the role of 'magician' (I'll go into this later on), and to place yourself in the 'centre' of your magical universe - the axis mundi. Secondly, Banishing sets up the space you are working in as 'sacred', so that the loft, bedroom, basement or wherever you are becomes, temporarily, a 'temple' space. Thirdly, a Banishing 'clears' the atmosphere of the area that you're working in of 'psychic debris' - I'm not entirely happy with this description, so I'll try and expand on that later as well. ---- To much D&D as a child? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | FOUND. The Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram, or LBRP, was formulated initially by the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn and is a ritual of banishing which focuses on invocation of Divine elements prior to a magickal working. Under the power and virtue of the pentagram, lesser energies are banished from the presence of the magician and will not return (unless invited). Performing the ritual prior to any working or as a means of starting one's day dispels the negative energies of the psyche and otherwise. History of the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram The first recorded instance of the LBRP as a practice was noted in Eliphas Levi's works, and likely stems from a Hebrew prayer as documented by R. Samson Raphael Hirsch in 'The Hirsch Siddur' [Feldheim Publishing, 1969], which reads as follows: "In the Name of God, the God of Yisrale: may Michael be at my right hand, Gabriel at my left, Uriel before me, Raphael behind me, and above my head, the presence of God." |
2342 User ID: 1109456 United States 12/02/2010 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To decieve. lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178322What else would dark magiacians do with their magicianing? Kinda obvious Deceive themselves? What is a banishing ritual? A banishing ritual if done correctly, gets rid of malevolent energies. Enochian magick is very powerful, user beware! Last Edited by 2342 on 12/02/2010 10:51 AM www.youtube.com/clandestinetimelord |
barKochba User ID: 903102 United States 12/02/2010 10:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good question op, when I started researching the Occult I had the same realization that they used Judea-Christian names for practically everything. The Kabbalistic Cross for example calls upon the angels Michael, Raphael, Uriel, and Gabriel to protect the magician in his workings. The Golden Dawn material and Kabbalah seem to have their roots in Christian Gnosticism. Kabbalah itself is probably derived from Hermetics and Babylonian rituals. [link to en.wikipedia.org] Here's the catch 22 for Christianity and occult practices alike. If one is true, so is the other one. Christianity is like a starter religion. You invoke certain names to cleanse you and perform certain rituals to protect you from evil in your daily workings. The rituals a pastor/priest might preform, say the sanctification of the Eucharist is really no different than a Wiccan doing his/her thing on an alter during their day of worship. Now the OTO, which is a Crowley offshoot from The Golden Dawn is a bit more complicated since he believed he was the deliver of a new gospel for a new age called Thelema [link to en.wikipedia.org] Personally I find the OTO to be bat shit crazy and Hermetics is probably way closer to the truth (for me). |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To decieve. lol Quoting: 2342What else would dark magiacians do with their magicianing? Kinda obvious Deceive themselves? What is a banishing ritual? A banishing ritual if done correctly, gets rid of malevolent energies. So if you use the name YHWH, it is more or less admitting it is "good energy" and has the power to "clean" house. I suppose other "gods" could be invoked as well. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now the OTO, which is a Crowley offshoot from The Golden Dawn is a bit more complicated since he believed he was the deliver of a new gospel for a new age called Thelema Quoting: barKochba 903102[link to en.wikipedia.org] Personally I find the OTO to be bat shit crazy and Hermetics is probably way closer to the truth (for me). I know quite a bit about Crowley, Blatvasky, and Grudijeff...this stuff seemed to be quite the rage at the turn of the 20th century, theosophy? |
2342 User ID: 1109456 United States 12/02/2010 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To decieve. lol Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178322What else would dark magiacians do with their magicianing? Kinda obvious Deceive themselves? What is a banishing ritual? A banishing ritual if done correctly, gets rid of malevolent energies. So if you use the name YHWH, it is more or less admitting it is "good energy" and has the power to "clean" house. I suppose other "gods" could be invoked as well. You can invoke all sorts of fun stuff. Any extremely dangerous too! www.youtube.com/clandestinetimelord |
2342 User ID: 1109456 United States 12/02/2010 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now the OTO, which is a Crowley offshoot from The Golden Dawn is a bit more complicated since he believed he was the deliver of a new gospel for a new age called Thelema Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178322[link to en.wikipedia.org] Personally I find the OTO to be bat shit crazy and Hermetics is probably way closer to the truth (for me). I know quite a bit about Crowley, Blatvasky, and Grudijeff...this stuff seemed to be quite the rage at the turn of the 20th century, theosophy? Crowley did help orchestrate WW2, and set the precursor for WW3 i'd say thats pretty big. www.youtube.com/clandestinetimelord |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Now the OTO, which is a Crowley offshoot from The Golden Dawn is a bit more complicated since he believed he was the deliver of a new gospel for a new age called Thelema Quoting: 2342[link to en.wikipedia.org] Personally I find the OTO to be bat shit crazy and Hermetics is probably way closer to the truth (for me). I know quite a bit about Crowley, Blatvasky, and Grudijeff...this stuff seemed to be quite the rage at the turn of the 20th century, theosophy? Crowley did help orchestrate WW2, and set the precursor for WW3 i'd say thats pretty big. Link? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1069948 United States 12/02/2010 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well yeah, I am trying to get some feedback, I admitted I dont know much about the topic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178322Are you looking up stuff on Enoch OP? Yeah, Enoch...the biblical character, Enochian Keys eventually popped up in the sidebar. I would suggest that you grab the books of Enoch. I was reading 3 Enoch last night myself. You can find online sources, here is one of the books I was checking out: [link to www.amazon.com] I think you will find it of great interest!! |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1178322 United States 12/02/2010 10:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well yeah, I am trying to get some feedback, I admitted I dont know much about the topic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1069948Are you looking up stuff on Enoch OP? Yeah, Enoch...the biblical character, Enochian Keys eventually popped up in the sidebar. I would suggest that you grab the books of Enoch. I was reading 3 Enoch last night myself. You can find online sources, here is one of the books I was checking out: [link to www.amazon.com] I think you will find it of great interest!! I got them all! |
2342 User ID: 1109456 United States 12/02/2010 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well yeah, I am trying to get some feedback, I admitted I dont know much about the topic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1178322Are you looking up stuff on Enoch OP? Yeah, Enoch...the biblical character, Enochian Keys eventually popped up in the sidebar. I would suggest that you grab the books of Enoch. I was reading 3 Enoch last night myself. You can find online sources, here is one of the books I was checking out: [link to www.amazon.com] I think you will find it of great interest!! I got them all! Do you have any of the calls in MP3? www.youtube.com/clandestinetimelord |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1176451 Hong Kong 12/02/2010 10:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because Yahweh = Enlil? It is really that simple. Illuminati worship the line of Enki, the sheep/plebs worship the line of Enlil. When in fact you should be worshipping the one true deity, the deity that both Enki and Enlil worshipped. |