Anyone else lost their money on the rigged full tilt poker site?

Not a member on that site.. But I had posted a profit for the first 3 years in a row on Poker stars.. but for the past 12 months I am exactly even.. same money I started with.. I think they have had a software adjustment some time.. I'm too good a player to just be even for a whole year..

gambeling on net is for mugs.they deserve what is coming to them.
Did you really expect to go no line and gambel and win?
LOL

Wow, I didn't know Phil Hellmuth posted at GLP!

why would you play online you canot get your money backout if you live in the us

Yeh, if you do a bit of research you'll find a lot of people think they're rigged.
Here's what full tilt do:

1. They give you an initial honeymoon period. When this is over you get hammered - bat beat after bad beat like you wouldn't believe. It's psychology 101. Give the person the idea they can make a fortune, then make them chase their losses.
2. Action flops. Don't know what these are go and look them up. Flopped a straight? Someone else flopped the flush. Have a three of a kind? Someone else just scored the straight.
3. Similar deals. You have pocket 10s? Guaranteed someone else just got dealt pocket 9s or pocket Js. Same with aces and kickers.
4. The river deciders. By far the most common. So on the flop you scored your 2 pair. The pot is big so you go all in. You're confident you have the best hand. Someone calls you with the low pair, then scores the three of the kind on the river. Man I got sick of seeing this. It makes it impossible to play strong poker.

You can even see the delay as the software decides what card is going to be dealt on the river.

These sites aren't regulated - basically they can do what they like, and what they like to do is mangle the game beyond recognition. It's not poker, it's roulette.

I might still go back to real money sometime - just because it's such a bore playing for free. But it'll be like spending money at the movies.

I've gone to a lot of the sites - they all seem to be rigged. Full tilt has the biggest scope of scams though.



Oh yeh and I do believe they play bots on the money tables. Makes sense. If you'll cheat on the others, why not this? Means you're giving back much less money.

Last Edited by Exile on 12/07/2010 08:15 AM

And the big hands!
Four of a kind happen a lot.
I even saw one tournament start out like this - straight flush, followed by royal flush - for the same player.
Ok mebe - but man the odds are astronomical.
The four of a kind is a definite though - even noticed when they changed the algorithm and the frequency went up.

There is some thought they also decide who'll make the final table before the first deal.

Here's another thing you'll see - you'll always start the tournament strong, then as it approaches the bubble you get nothing but weak hand after weak hand.

The bubble is the most dangerous time for the action flop as well.

Your thread title should have been: Who else is a fuck'n retard?

thanks for the thread ...i lost over 200 $ in a few games...im so surprised because i think im confidently a good player...and even my workmates avoid playing poker with me now(real poker not online)...since they always lose to me.

Ithink op you are on to something.

i remember last year the conspiracy planet website .. saying the biggest online poker company do rig their games.
they had some insider proof..or something like that.

I have always enjoyed Full Tilt, but still prefer Ultimate Bet more. Usually I go Ultimate Bet, PokerStars, Full Tilt and then maybe BoDog, Absolute Poker and once in awhile Poker.com.

Of course the grinders play the ring games.
I couldn't play them because I kept falling asleep.
"Raise the ante. Get one taker. Big bet on the flop. Other guy folds". Repeat ad nauseum.

But if you want to make money of the sites, it's probably what you have to do.

Or stick to low cost sit n gos - and play very very defensively. Apparently this is what a lot of the pros do.

But I go there for fun not to earn an income.

i play at Pokerstars, do you think theyre genuine?

All people claiming that the site is rigged are FUCKING RETARDS. There are so many games going on the rake metre is running like KKKKKKRAAAAAYZIEEEE. The truth is they DONT NEED rigged games to make money, that 1%-5% (approximately) they get from every pot and all those tournament fees add up you know.

So stop playing like monkeys on PCP and learn how to play or wear your tinfoil and say "DIS GAME ERE IS RIGGED MAYNE, FO SHO I LOST TWO FLIPS IN A ROW"

+1

Mmmm I believe you brother I really do.
Except then I remember human nature, which has this fundamental rule - making money is good, making more is better.

They do it to make more money.
Donks want the action - ergo the action flops.
Turn someone into a gambler (honeymoon period) and you have a revenue stream until they go bankrupt.
Play bots and muahahaha ... oh stop me ... muahahahaha ... please it's too much ... hahahaha.

Course they cheat numbnuts - who's going to stop them? And it's so easy to call the person a shit poker player when they complain. But remember you're on a conspiracy site here - we're used to the reflex shill response "you're crazy".

Pokerstars aren't as flamboyant as full tilt.
The main thing they have is the action flop.
That's the easiest thing to play with - you just adjust your game to the fact that there will be bigger hands more often.

.... ........ are you going maddd????
i believe you and what you're saying make sense ...but
whats wrong you man....if you know better just explain it...stop being a arrangant dickhead .woow.


Because you talking like a mad moran ..i think you got your finger in some nice poker-pie business..again im joking..dont take it serious and breath a bit man...

It's all the same thing, gambling.

I'm less inclined to beleive it's rigged, and more inclined to agree that the complainers are just sore losers who aren't as good as they seem to think they are. For example:




Last Edited by The Myth on 12/07/2010 08:42 AM

you dont have to gamble to play poker. If you gamble, you lose money atlast in the longterm.

A serious poker player (not crazy allinner like you see on TV) will only strike when there is an opportunity!! Slow but steady gain.

if you can't trust Internet gambling websites... then really what is there left to believe in?

There's always doom!

I don't think it is rigged I do think they use differant programs like Full Tilt you see many flushes at poker stars it seems more to the real lives games same thing as far as flops. I think you would have to worry more about a bunch of college kids in a room together playing in the same game and figuring the odds and taking the pots.

They won't let Washington state players play for real money anymore so I just play live games now. And to the poster above that said you can't get your money back in the US is not true or lets say it wasn't true I don't know about now. I have a couple of friends that have cashed in one from poker stars and the other from full Tilt when party poker was up and doing the millions boat cruise my friend also won that trip a couple times in one year the second time he one they paid him the 12 thousand the cost of the winnings. Anyway I like playing live games more than online anyday but for fun and to practice just to see many flops and outcomes I play online for free now. :(

NO,,,,,because it's one of Satan's games of chance....Duh!

I don't believe this is true? I play on Full Tilt and they have a transfer to bank account button right in the cashier tab. I haven't used it yet because I just started and am bulking up my account a bit.

I have been waiting for over 4 weeks for them to deposit 180.00 back into my account. Use to have no problems withdrawing from my Full tilt account now it is just not working they owe me over 240.00 dollars they keep saying its a 3rd party mistake and keep telling them to fix it. But they have not no need to play if you cant get your money.

The key is playing for entertainment not profit.


Who knew you couldnt make a living playing online poker?

I gave up on FTP a while back. If you play the free tables and the pay tables you see the card rigging way too easily. On the free side you'll get 4 of a kind, full houses, ect all the time.

On the pay tables you'll have a guy with one out on the turn river your ass all day long. FWIW I never put money into it. I did the free rolls, placed, won money, then kept losing it all to impossible hands when good NL strategy dictates that you should shove. Too many second best hands up against the nuts for it not to be rigged IMHO.

Really if you play right, it's not so much a game of chance as it is a game of mathematics. That's what drew me to the game to start with. Roulette and slots are games of chance. Poker is a game where if you can crunch the numbers and pick up on tells and betting habits you should be able to come out ahead in the long run as long as the dealing is truly random.

FTP uses a multi-deck card pool to counter people figuring out the shuffle algorithm. If it picks a card already in play, it randomizes again until it gets one that isn't in play. The bad thing about this is that there is no way to reliably audit the system and check to see if it's dealing action hands purposefully.

Best thing to do is spend about a grand online poker,
and if you lose, just report your card stolen. Works like a charm.

Lol. If you can not understand the online games are rigged then you deserve to lose your hard earned money.