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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati Not BS, just to much truth to look at! My favorite quote: "What these insane Americans are missing though is that though they may wish to rule the entire world, there is a sizable amount of the world that doesn’t wish to be ruled by them, including both Russia and China." Oh Yeah!!! Bring it on!!! |
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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati Gas dispute adds to political tensions between China and Japan By David Stanway Shanghai. July 19. INTERFAX-CHINA - The growing dispute over the ownership of natural gas fields in the East China Sea reached a new level late last week, with the Chinese government lodging strong protests against the decision by Japan´s Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry (METI) to permit the trial explorations of the area by Teikoku Oil, a private Japanese company. Experts have suggested that Japan´s move was designed to force an end to an impasse, but with the political climate between the two countries growing ever darker, others fear that a new round of saber-rattling could be imminent. While the "hardline approach could backfire", Japan believes that its latest move was justified as "the only way to gain recognition from China with regard to E&P rights" in the East China Sea, said Keun-Wook Paik, a specialist with the Royal Institute of International Affairs. As a precondition to further negotiations, Japan asked China last year to provide the detailed coordinates of its exploration efforts in the East China Sea. China, however, refused, insisting that its gas fields lie entirely within its own sovereign waters. Since then, no breakthrough has been made, and Japan now claims that nine of China´s concessions encroach upon Japanese territory, including the Chunxiao gas field. With China expected to launch production at Chunxiao in October, the Japanese government felt it necessary to raise the stakes. "So far, China has maintained either a policy of silence or of ignoring Japan´s claims," Dr Paik told Interfax. "Unlike the Pinghu gas field [the first to be developed by China in the East China Sea], the scale of the Chunxiao project is much bigger and Japan believes that the disputed offshore oil and gas assets should not be exclusively exploited by China," he said. The competition for resources has become a vital battle for both countries, and includes the oil pipeline from Siberia. "During the last three years Japan has been competing with China with regard to the crude oil pipeline from East Siberia to Daqing and Nakhodka," said Dr. Paik, "and Russia has recently announced that priority will be given to the 20 mln tons per year of crude oil supply to China by pipeline." "This development was a huge disappointment to METI which has offered as much as USD 10 bln for the pipeline to Nakhodka," he continued. As Interfax reported last week, officials in Daqing remain cautious about the latest announcement from Russian President Vladimir Putin, who said at the G8 Summit in Gleneagles that China would be given priority in the oil pipeline project. Even though the city seems to have regained its status as a destination for Siberian oil, the local government still expects further "interference" from Japan and the United States at a later date. The current dispute comes at a delicate time in the relationship between the two old enemies, with China about to launch mass nationwide commemorations of the end of the Second World War. The state media is filled with items about "martyrs in the war of liberation" about class-A war criminals housed at Tokyo´s controversial Yasukuni Shrine, and about a round of new court cases aimed at extracting compensation for the Chinese victims of Japanese occupation. Disentangling the current spat over East China Sea gas resources from the bitter memories of war and invasion has proved to be difficult for both sides. For many in China, the dispute over gas and oil is yet another example of its material interests being damaged by its island neighbor. Media reports last year accused Japan of deliberately timing the launch of an exploration boat in the East China Sea to coincide with the anniversary of the famous "July 7 incident", when occupying Japanese forces attacked the Marco Polo Bridge in Beijing in 1937. It did not matter that the Japanese exploration boat was actually launched on July 3. Meanwhile, contributors to China´s online bulletin boards have tended to conflate the "Japanese invasion of China" with the "Japanese invasion of China´s sovereign rights in the East China Sea". Elements of Japan´s media have, conversely, accused their own government of "appeasement", suggesting that the guilt surrounding past events means that Japan is not doing all it can to protect its national interests, especially when it comes to the competition with China for energy resources. Speaking to Interfax earlier this year, Professor Katsohiko Suetsugu, the Secretary General of the Asia-Pacific Energy Forum (APEF) called for the "depoliticization" of the East China Sea, noting that there was nothing unique about maritime territorial disputes, especially when it came to oil and gas. But as he admitted, "It is difficult to make the separation [between energy and politics]." Indeed, but despite reports in domestic newspapers talking up the likelihood of a military confrontation, an eventual compromise is likely, says Dr Paik. "Japan´s provocative approach will force China to make up its mind how to handle this thorny issue, but China will not go for the military option as its implications towards China´s ongoing economic development will be too negative." "The time is not ripe for China to take such a bold measure," he continued. "I believe both parties will have no choice but to find a compromise option." Such a compromise "will be a big disappointment to the US hardliners who are very anxious about China´s rise," but without it, there could be tragic consequences, he said. [link to www.interfax.cn] aid=3711&slug=CHINA-JAPAN-NATURAL%20GAS-DISPUTE |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati "With 1.3 billion people, the People´s Republic of China is the world´s most populous country and the second largest oil consumer, behind the U.S. In recent years, China has been undergoing a process of industrialization and is one of the fastest growing economies in the world. With real gross domestic product growing at a rate of 8-10% a year, China´s need for energy is projected to increase by 150 percent by 2020. to sustain its growth China requires increasing amounts of oil. Its oil consumption grows by 7.5% per year, seven times faster than the U.S. Growth in Chinese oil consumption has accelerated mainly because of a large-scale transition away from bicycles and mass transit toward private automobiles, more affordable since China´s admission to the World Trade Organization. Consequently, by year 2010 China is expected to have 90 times more cars than in 1990. With automobile numbers growing at 19% a year, projections show that China could surpass the total number of cars in the U.S. by 2030. Another contributor to the sharp increase in automobile sales is the very low price of gasoline in China. Chinese gasoline prices now rank among the lowest in the world for oil-importing countries, and are a third of retail prices in Europe and Japan, where steep taxes are imposed to discourage gasoline use." [link to www.iags.org] |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati The Undeclared Oil War By Paul Roberts Monday, June 28, 2004; Page A21 While some debate whether the war in Iraq was or was not "about oil," another war, this one involving little but oil, has broken out between two of the world´s most powerful nations. For months China and Japan have been locked in a diplomatic battle over access to the big oil fields in Siberia. Japan, which depends entirely on imported oil, is desperately lobbying Moscow for a 2,300-mile pipeline from Siberia to coastal Japan. But fast-growing China, now the world´s second-largest oil user, after the United States, sees Russian oil as vital for its own "energy security" and is pushing for a 1,400-mile pipeline south to Daqing. The petro-rivalry has become so intense that Japan has offered to finance the $5 billion pipeline, invest $7 billion in development of Siberian oil fields and throw in an additional $2 billion for Russian "social projects" -- this despite the certainty that if Japan does win Russia´s oil, relations between Tokyo and Beijing may sink to their lowest, potentially most dangerous, levels since World War II. Asia´s undeclared oil war is but the latest reminder that in a global economy dependent largely on a single fuel -- oil -- "energy security" means far more than hardening refineries and pipelines against terrorist attack. At its most basic level, energy security is the ability to keep the global machine humming -- that is, to produce enough fuels and electricity at affordable prices that every nation can keep its economy running, its people fed and its borders defended. A failure of energy security means that the momentum of industrialization and modernity grinds to a halt. And by that measure, we are failing. In the United States and Europe, new demand for electricity is outpacing the new supply of power and natural gas and raising the specter of more rolling blackouts. In the "emerging" economies, such as Brazil, India and especially China, energy demand is rising so fast it may double by 2020. And this only hints at the energy crisis facing the developing world, where nearly 2 billion people -- a third of the world´s population -- have almost no access to electricity or liquid fuels and are thus condemned to a medieval existence that breeds despair, resentment and, ultimately, conflict. In other words, we are on the cusp of a new kind of war -- between those who have enough energy and those who do not but are increasingly willing to go out and get it. While nations have always competed for oil, it seems more and more likely that the race for a piece of the last big reserves of oil and natural gas will be the dominant geopolitical theme of the 21st century. Already we can see the outlines. China and Japan are scrapping over Siberia. In the Caspian Sea region, European, Russian, Chinese and American governments and oil companies are battling for a stake in the big oil fields of Kazakhstan and Azerbaijan. In Africa, the United States is building a network of military bases and diplomatic missions whose main goal is to protect American access to oilfields in volatile places such as Nigeria, Cameroon, Chad and tiny Sao Tome -- and, as important, to deny that access to China and other thirsty superpowers. The diplomatic tussles only hint at what we´ll see in the Middle East, where most of the world´s remaining oil lies. For all the talk of big new oil discoveries in Russia and Africa -- and of how this gush of crude will "free" America and other big importers from the machinations of OPEC -- the geological facts speak otherwise. Even with the new Russian and African oil, worldwide oil production outside the Middle East is barely keeping pace with demand. In the run-up to the Iraq war, Russia and France clashed noisily with the United States over whose companies would have access to the oil in post-Saddam Hussein Iraq. Less well known is the way China has sought to build up its own oil alliances in the Middle East -- often over Washington´s objections. In 2000 Chinese oil officials visited Iran, a country U.S. companies are forbidden to deal with; China also has a major interest in Iraqi oil. But China´s most controversial oil overture has been made to a country America once regarded as its most trusted oil ally: Saudi Arabia. In recent years, Beijing has been lobbying Riyadh for access to Saudi reserves, the largest in the world. In return, the Chinese have offered the Saudis a foothold in what will be the world´s biggest energy market -- and, as a bonus, have thrown in offers of sophisticated Chinese weaponry, including ballistic missiles and other hardware, that the United States and Europe have refused to sell to the Saudis. Granted, the United States, with its vast economic and military power, would probably win any direct "hot" war for oil. The far more worrisome scenario is that an escalating rivalry among other big consumers will spark new conflicts -- conflicts that might require U.S. intervention and could easily destabilize the world economy upon which American power ultimately rests. As demand for oil becomes sharper, as global oil production continues to lag (and as producers such as Saudi Arabia and Nigeria grow more unstable) the struggle to maintain access to adequate energy supplies, always a critical mission for any nation, will become even more challenging and uncertain and take up even more resources and political attention. This escalation will not only drive up the risk of conflict but will make it harder for governments to focus on long-term energy challenges, such as avoiding climate change, developing alternative fuels and alleviating Third World energy poverty -- challenges that are themselves critical to long-term energy security but which, ironically, will be seen as distracting from the current campaign to keep the oil flowing. This, ultimately, is the real energy-security dilemma. The more obvious it becomes that an oil-dominated energy economy is inherently insecure, the harder it becomes to move on to something beyond oil. [link to www.washingtonpost.com] dyn/articles/A10714-2004Jun27.html |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati WORLD WAR III The next war has already started By John Steinberg | RAW STORY COLUMNIST There is a famous quote from Albert Einstein about war. He said “I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Advertisement I am considerably less qualified than Einstein to predict the weapons to be used in WWIII, but I am pretty sure of what it will be about, and who we will be fighting against. In fact, the war has already begun. The war is about oil, and our dance partner is China. Wars over oil are nothing new, of course. Oil played a significant part in both World Wars – indeed, Iraq is an artificial state created by a young Winston Churchill in the aftermath of World War I exactly because of the growing importance of oil to the ebbing British Empire. The Allies occupied it during WWII for the same reason. Oil is a strategic asset, as military types would say. What makes a resource strategic is the likelihood that demand will exceed supply – that is, that it may become scarce. And make no mistake, oil is about to be come very scarce indeed. As many others have noted, the endless “up” escalator of increasing oil reserves and production is about to become a slow but painful trip down. An increasing number of experts are voicing the heretical notion that world oil reserves are on the downside of the bell curve. Some experts think the peak is as much as a decade off; others think we are there right about now. If world demand for oil could be throttled back, the impact of this trend could be relatively mild. But there are a number of reasons why that is simply not in the cards. One is of course our nation’s profligate consumption: Americans consume nearly three times as much energy per capita as Europeans do, and nearly six times the world average. But even if Americans were to suddenly abandon their dreadnought SUVs en masse, world consumption would likely continue to increase. And one of the primary reasons is China. We all know that China´s economy is growing like bamboo (a mind-boggling 9% annual rate for the 25-year period from 1978 to 2003), and that it is increasingly willing to flex its muscles in politics and international finance. Less well-known is the fact that China is already the 2nd largest consumer of energy in the world. We tend to think of China as a backward country unused to casting a global shadow. But as The Economist has pointed out “China was the largest economy for much of recorded history. Until the 15th century, China had the highest income per head and was the technological leader.” Perhaps in part because of its long history, China tends to take a long view of events. While American businesses worry about next quarter, China is making decisions that will bear fruit a generation from now. And so it invests in education and manufacturing while we file dutifully into Walmart to buy their $30 DVD players. As China has become the world’s factory, it has also become the leading consumer of many industrial commodities including steel, coal and cement. And as prosperity turns Chinese workers into acquisitive consumers, their demand for the high-energy badges of modernity like automobiles is exploding. Volkswagen now sells more cars in China than in Germany. How will China fuel its increasingly affluent economy? It will have to secure access to a truly staggering amount of oil – oil that would otherwise be targeted for our Hummers and Suburbans. And China may well get it without firing a shot. A couple of months ago ChevronTexaco (remember when anti-trust laws broke up what has again been joined together?) announced that it was to acquire fellow big oil player (and former Taliban coddler) Unocal for $16.4 billion. But such announcements do not always lead to the desired results; in one of the essential rituals of American big business, Unocal is “in play.” In other words, its management, duty-bound to get the highest possible price for its shareholders, must consider other offers. China National Offshore Oil Corp. (CNOOC), the number three oil company in China, is publicly contemplating putting in a higher bid. The blogosphere yawns, but a bid from CNOOC could be the Pearl Harbor of the next great war. America´s economy, foreign policy, internal future, and wet dreams of another century of hegemony are all tied to cheap oil. And the way we have kept oil cheap is by being the 800-pound gorilla (also guerilla) of the world energy market. OPEC controls some of the supply, but make no mistake that Big Oil – American Big Oil – calls the shots for the world energy market. But Big Oil cannot change the decline in basic supply. And even if they could change the effect that will follow from that cause, they would have absolutely no incentive to do so, because the immediate and primary effect of even minor shortfalls in supply will be huge increases in the price of a barrel of oil. In past disruptions, note that shortages of only 5% in supply caused 400% increases in its price. But the oil crises of the 1970s were short-term, artificial phenomena. The coming crisis is real, systemic and terminal. Put together the contraction in supply and the growing ability of China to control some of that supply, and you get a taste of the cataclysm that will follow when China´s growing productivity and affluence really go toe-to-toe with our oil addiction. China, which may be less than a true free market at home, has no problem bitch-slapping us with Adam Smith´s invisible hand at the most macro level. So it seems rather obvious that China will flex its growing muscles and buy its own secure supply by bidding on bigger and bigger helpings of Big Oil. In most ways, the Bush Administration is simply the policy arm of Big Oil. Who will man the marionettes if the Chinese take control of Big Oil? Will the champions of the free market stand by if the Chinese outbid us fair and square for the energy (and control of that energy) we have taken for granted? One of the inherent flaws in the free market system is that, left unchecked, it usually results in the accretion of a great deal of power in the hands of one or a few. The winners are known as monopolists to economists, or bullies to the rest of us. Republicans have always defended the system, and thus the bullies, but of course they have coincidentally always been the biggest kids in the sandbox. Last week, CNOOC in fact bid $18.5 billion for Unocal. Numerous voices in the Administration and Congress (on both sides of the aisle) are already squealing. Bullies tend to become crybabies when their reign ends due to the arrival of a bigger bully. Time will tell how our oil bullies will react, but I predict they will squeal like stuck pigs when China assumes its inevitable role as the bigger bully. Whether the war this crisis triggers will be fought with guns and bombs or money and lawyers, I do not know. But war it will be. [link to www.rawstory.com] ld_war_III_063005.htm |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati The world would have ended months ago if everything Sorcha said was true...... She takes recent headlines and spins them into Russian propaganda instadoom. so keep on consuming consumers , the world isn´t coming to an end. |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati Unlike you AC I´ve read everyone of her articles and there are NO predictions at all. Her articles are instead all about getting people to THINK for themselves rather than beliving what the msm spoon feeds us. What´s more is that every single FACT she writes she backs up by linking to its source...no having to ´guess´, you just ´click´ and you´re right there looking at the FACTS. The problem with retards like you AC is that you´ve forgotten how to THINK. You say for everyone to keep consuming, why? You´re the worst kind of American and you deserve everything you´re going to get. |
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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati I hope you can handle disappointment, AC 1498. But of course you can...you´ve had lots and lots of experience! _________________________________________ Wow pinga, that sure disproved a whole lot. |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati >>>Wow pinga, that sure disproved a whole lot. Well said AC 7550, but the penis holders on threads like this don´t care to know, to learn, to debate or any such other normal human activity. It´s like they´re little kids always crying for something, in this case attention. But to actually give evidence, facts or reasons for what they say? No way! I´m always wondering why they even bother to spout their idiocies, it´s not as if anyone´s actually listening to them. |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati 1498, is that all you got? It´s a simple case of the blind leading the blind.. and no it´s people like you that never make it...why? because your too stupid to dissemalate fact from fiction... you cant even figue out what I meant with the consuming..... people like you are unable to change their minds because you have been conditioned and programmed ... wake up shit for brains, and while your at it , keep on consuming , consumer.. |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati So all those stories are backed up by facts? What about the way she weaves those facts into her own little and very biased viewpoint trying to convince us that something else is going on? Like the story a few months ago about a lodge that was blown up in Colorado by the gestapo? Turns out that was a natural gas explosion. Why doesn´t she come back later and clarify the inconsistencies? Because sometimes the truth isn´t as sensational as she would like it to be! |
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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati 1492, Stop posting the Sorcha bullshit here, your the only moron dumb enough to believe her.. When Sorcha first came out she pricked some ears, because of her material.. but now people are waking up to her propaganda, she has been proven a fraud!!!! A Side Note: ‘Sorcha Faal’ Probable Hoax : There has been a recent article running around the internet : authored by the name “Sorcha Faal”. Email: : [email protected] This person (male or female) claims : to have some knowledge of Russian science research implying : some connection with something called Russian Academy of : Sciences. From what I can gather, I’m not sure if this : so-called Russian Academy of Sciences is an acknowledged : scientific body, if it exist at all. This set aside, when : doing a search on this site, I put in the name Sorcha Faal : with a result “Not Found” : This person has put out an article titled “Russian Military : Movements towards Protected Areas Beginning” and implies : (he/she) has some book “now in English”. Funny thing : thou, there is not one mention of any such book, nor its : title. I would say this has all the markings of a hoax. : I have sent two emails to Faal requesting a resume’ or CV : (curriculum vitae) for review to set up a possible : interview. To date I have not received a response. : Need I remind us all…during this time of escalated events, : there will be hoaxters coming out of the woodwork claiming : some “special knowledge” and their “mission” to get : the word out to the world. So I shall once again remind us : all to use your gift of “discernment”. It is most : important to follow “your” truth. Not mine or anyone : else. Seek and you shall find. Find What? Your Truth! : **Watch for charlatans at every corner, Why? Because they are : watching you!!! looks like everyone else is waking up, why dont you ..... What´s your agenda here? or are you really that stupid? I´d guess it´s the latter... keep beating a dead horse, you must enjoy insults... |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati Russian Academy of Sciences is real!! [link to www.intertec.co.at] Not that I´m supporting any of this bullshit, Just letting you know it is a real department in Russia! |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati Most of you asshole debunkers remind me of the British Prime Minister Chamberlin who after meeting with Hitler came back and proclaimed to the British people, "Peace in our time!" ( [link to www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk] Now the point here is that the same type of mindset that Chamberlin had you debunker types have it too. Namely that you refuse to see the truth, and when you can´t help but notice it you change it into lies! |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati The defense of the weak of mind is always to attack the messenger, never the message. That was Hitlers favorite tactic, the debunkers here have learned that lesson well. It´s not surprising either since they´re all most likely closet Nazi´s anyway. |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati 1. America is the new Gestapo 2. China And Russia are going to Nuke us. 3. your fucking as insane as they come Ok, I got it, I´m a believer now!!! |
| John the Baptist 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati I think Sorcha´s talent is for connecting the dots...making the connections between seemingly unconnected reports on the Web. Anyone can do it, if they take the time to actually read the various postings. Perhaps s/he does spin things a bit but isn´t that what all of America´s "news" programs do? ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, CNN ALL manipulate their reports...manipulate us...with their reporting. And Sorch´a right - the rest of the world doesn´t want to be like us. Why the hell would they? Did the rest of the world want to be like Germany in the days leading up to WWII? |
| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati Surprise surprise, another oil war. When you base your whole economy on a limited world resource this is the only outcome. Alternate energy systems are needed now, tell the oil maggots they have eaten at the flesh of mankind long enough.  |
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| Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Chinese and Russian Military Forces Rush To Counter Japanese Moves As United States Naval Forces Steam Towards Asia; China Threatens Nuclear Retaliati 1498 there is really no reason to call me or anyone else who disagrees with you "stupid". Different point of views are only against the law in the "future" "Bushjacked" US. As to the natural gas explosion, I live in Colorado and watched the television interviews with the rescue personnel dispatched to the site. Sure, it could be manipulated news but why would anyone want to kill a couple of children --- oh -- they´re a big threat to to the NWO -- sure, whatever. How about the American invasion of Columbia? I haven´t heard about that so far! Oh, and how about the thousands of missles the US and Russia shot into space at a rock headed for earth? Go back and look at all she´s written -- very little if any of it has actually happened in the vain she wrote it in. |
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