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Christians and an openly gay military.

 
The Guy

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Jesus never said anything about it, so it must not have been important.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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OP, most Christians also believe that sex outside of marriage is a sin. Should fornicators also be banned from the military? There wouldn't be much of a military if all the people sinning, according to Christian beliefs, were banned.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1070088

Good point and that goes along with my OP. Fornication is actually encouraged in this country and a supposed "real" man has multiple sex partners. My point is, that this gov't and military is actually Anti-God in many ways. The purpose of the OP was to question supposed Christians support of this governments military. Many believe this is a christian nation, I say it is not. It is a nation with christan citizens.
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... ah ... that is MURDER ... not kill ...
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... learn your Hebrew ...
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... BIG difference between murder and kill ...
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ratsach
to dash in pieces, i.e. kill (a human being).

Hebrew is better translated as kill.


Learn your Hebrew.
 Quoting: ZTE

unlawful killing
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Learn your Hebrew.

unlawful killing
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....but the laws have been done away with, right?
SLAYER!!  (OP)

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Jesus never said anything about it, so it must not have been important.
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Jesus didn't specifically mention beastiality or pedophilia either. That doesn't mean he supported those practices.
SLAYER!!  (OP)

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Learn your Hebrew.

unlawful killing



....but the laws have been done away with, right?
 Quoting: ZTE

THis is the law.

Luke 10
25 Now, look! a certain man versed in the Law rose up, to test him out, and said: “Teacher, by doing what shall I inherit everlasting life?” 26 He said to him: “What is written in the Law? How do you read?” 27 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind,’ and, ‘your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 He said to him: “You answered correctly; ‘keep on doing this and you will get life.’”
SLAYER!!  (OP)

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godhates

Now, who's trolling. I asked sincere questions. You probably do not know anything about the Bible anyway.

That smiley is 100% scriptural.



savemejesu
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The restriction on eating those specific creatures were for health reasons.
SLAYER!!  (OP)

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Jesus didn't specifically mention beastiality or pedophilia either. That doesn't mean he supported those practices.

There is no consent involved with those practices.
 Quoting: DrPostman

So. There is consent with adultery and that is forbidden.

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ZTE

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....but the laws have been done away with, right?

THis is the law.

Luke 10
25 Now, look! a certain man versed in the Law rose up, to test him out, and said: “Teacher, by doing what shall I inherit everlasting life?” 26 He said to him: “What is written in the Law? How do you read?” 27 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind,’ and, ‘your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 He said to him: “You answered correctly; ‘keep on doing this and you will get life.’”
 Quoting: SLAYER!!



Deuteronomy 6:5
Love YHWH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.



How do you worship YHWH with all your heart, mind and soul though?

How do we know what is pleasing for us to do for Him?

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A persons sexuality is there own deal and they can make their own peace with God about it.

If following scripture and law were the only ways into Heaven then God would be no more than a book keeper.

I won't pass judgement.
The Guy

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Jesus didn't specifically mention beastiality or pedophilia either. That doesn't mean he supported those practices.
 Quoting: SLAYER!!


Nope, just that we should follow the laws of the land.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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For Christians,

Will you in good conscience still recit the pledge of allegiance to this country knowing this country openly defies one of YHWH's standards?

Leviticus 18:22
And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.

1 Corinthians 6:9
What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men....


I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

What say you?
 Quoting: SLAYER!!


For Christians, it will depend on if they are going to be forced to commit gay sexual acts as a result of reciting the POA. If they are two seperate things, then they are two seperate things.
SLAYER!!  (OP)

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....but the laws have been done away with, right?

THis is the law.

Luke 10
25 Now, look! a certain man versed in the Law rose up, to test him out, and said: “Teacher, by doing what shall I inherit everlasting life?” 26 He said to him: “What is written in the Law? How do you read?” 27 In answer he said: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind,’ and, ‘your neighbor as yourself.’” 28 He said to him: “You answered correctly; ‘keep on doing this and you will get life.’”



Deuteronomy 6:5
Love YHWH your Elohim with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength.



How do you worship YHWH with all your heart, mind and soul though?

How do we know what is pleasing for us to do for Him?
 Quoting: ZTE

You obey him and follow his Son.

Ah, but before you go there. I am a gentile Christian. You know the story of the council of Jerusalem.

Acts 15
28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”
SLAYER!!  (OP)

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For Christians,

Will you in good conscience still recit the pledge of allegiance to this country knowing this country openly defies one of YHWH's standards?

Leviticus 18:22
And you must not lie down with a male the same as you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable thing.

1 Corinthians 6:9
What! Do YOU not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God’s kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men....


I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

What say you?


For Christians, it will depend on if they are going to be forced to commit gay sexual acts as a result of reciting the POA. If they are two seperate things, then they are two seperate things.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1201387

Thanks for your answer.
SLAYER!!  (OP)

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Jesus didn't specifically mention beastiality or pedophilia either. That doesn't mean he supported those practices.


Nope, just that we should follow the laws of the land.
 Quoting: The Guy

Homosexuality is not the law of the land is it?
SLAYER!!  (OP)

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Why is OP only concerned about homosexuality?

I can probably guess. I have never understood why people want
to give a fuck about who and how other people like to fuck as
long as there are consenting non-related adults only involved
and the person concerned ain't doing any of the fucking.
 Quoting: DrPostman

My point is Christians should stay away from any organization that openly endorses that which YHWH forbides. Personally, I don't care what non-christians do, knock yourself out.
The Guy

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Homosexuality is not the law of the land is it?
 Quoting: SLAYER!!


No, and may it never be. There's no law forcing everyone to be straight, either.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
The Guy

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My point is Christians should stay away from any organization that openly endorses that which YHWH forbides. Personally, I don't care what non-christians do, knock yourself out.
 Quoting: SLAYER!!


I think you're misunderstanding here. The military won't be endorsing homosexuality. It will be tolerated, but there won't be any soldiers being forced to suck a dick at gunpoint.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
SLAYER!!  (OP)

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My point is Christians should stay away from any organization that openly endorses that which YHWH forbides. Personally, I don't care what non-christians do, knock yourself out.


I think you're misunderstanding here. The military won't be endorsing homosexuality. It will be tolerated, but there won't be any soldiers being forced to suck a dick at gunpoint.
 Quoting: The Guy

I guess we have a difference of opinion. Allowing is endorsing, IMO.

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Personally I don't care what people do in bed if they aren't doin' it with me.
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How do you worship YHWH with all your heart, mind and soul though?

How do we know what is pleasing for us to do for Him?

You obey him and follow his Son.

Ah, but before you go there. I am a gentile Christian. You know the story of the council of Jerusalem.

Acts 15
28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”
 Quoting: SLAYER!!


That's fine, but what does the bold mean to you?


Acts 15

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”


Unfortunately, this isn't true anymore. I think the main reason is people assume that "the law saves" which was never the case - for the Torah was given to the Israelites AFTER they were delivered from their bondage.

The Law isn't a device to save or a burden. It is a method of sanctification - a method to make yourselves set-apart from the world on your way to the promised land. It isn't a guide to get you to the promised land - for the guide was a pillar of fire (which some might say was YHSWH). However, the law is more of a warning of things that will lead you away from the promised land.

Chances are even as a gentile, you probably follow over 90% of the law as it is. The problem is, when you set your heart, soul and mind on YHWH, you eventually will want to follow that last 10%.


I'm not criticizing, I just never understood why people shun the law like it is a bad thing. Not eating a camel or having sex with a donkey are things to do that's never crossed my mind.

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Thou shalt not kill is also in the bible?
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Mistranslated, it should be thou shalt not murder.
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Jesus was gay, and made out with Lazeras. No joke.
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guess its played out dude. Everyone knows that hardcore christians are self loathing homosexuals anyway.

That's your opinion. I'm not a self-loathing christian.


i know...you're a self loathing homosexual.

The Bible holds no authority in the sane. Only really fucked up people use it to back their opinions.

Oh, but Hitler said its ok to hate gays too...so have at it.
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Hitler put "fags" in the concentration camps and had them killed and tortured. Same with handicapped people.

Maybe he's not a self-loathing christian, but he's an idiot.

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guess its played out dude. Everyone knows that hardcore christians are self loathing homosexuals anyway.

That's your opinion. I'm not a self-loathing christian.


i know...you're a self loathing homosexual.

The Bible holds no authority in the sane. Only really fucked up people use it to back their opinions.

Oh, but Hitler said its ok to hate gays too...so have at it.


Hitler put "fags" in the concentration camps and had them killed and tortured. Same with handicapped people.

Idiot.
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Wow, you are fucking retarded. Can you read?
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How do you worship YHWH with all your heart, mind and soul though?

How do we know what is pleasing for us to do for Him?

You obey him and follow his Son.

Ah, but before you go there. I am a gentile Christian. You know the story of the council of Jerusalem.

Acts 15
28 For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to YOU, except these necessary things, 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols and from blood and from things strangled and from fornication. If YOU carefully keep yourselves from these things, YOU will prosper. Good health to YOU!”


That's fine, but what does the bold mean to you?


Acts 15

19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”


Unfortunately, this isn't true anymore. I think the main reason is people assume that "the law saves" which was never the case - for the Torah was given to the Israelites AFTER they were delivered from their bondage.

The Law isn't a device to save or a burden. It is a method of sanctification - a method to make yourselves set-apart from the world on your way to the promised land. It isn't a guide to get you to the promised land - for the guide was a pillar of fire (which some might say was YHSWH). However, the law is more of a warning of things that will lead you away from the promised land.

Chances are even as a gentile, you probably follow over 90% of the law as it is. The problem is, when you set your heart, soul and mind on YHWH, you eventually will want to follow that last 10%.


I'm not criticizing, I just never understood why people shun the law like it is a bad thing. Not eating a camel or having sex with a donkey are things to do that's never crossed my mind.
 Quoting: ZTE

The bolded part merely means that the scriptures were read on the Sabbath. Not that I am to specifically follow the Hebrew Sabbath.

I don't have to follow those laws specifically and no man who has ever walked this earth has ever followed those laws to perfection. The Law is much deeper than the statues Hebrews were to follow.

Matthew 7:12
 “All things, therefore, that YOU want men to do to YOU, YOU also must likewise do to them; this, in fact, is what the Law and the Prophets mean.
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guess its played out dude. Everyone knows that hardcore christians are self loathing homosexuals anyway.

That's your opinion. I'm not a self-loathing christian.


i know...you're a self loathing homosexual.

The Bible holds no authority in the sane. Only really fucked up people use it to back their opinions.

Oh, but Hitler said its ok to hate gays too...so have at it.


Hitler put "fags" in the concentration camps and had them killed and tortured. Same with handicapped people.

Idiot.


Wow, you are fucking retarded. Can you read?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 835530


I'm talking to the guy who says "I'm not a self-loathing christian."

I know it was the second guy who brought up Hitler. I was supporting his point. Not only did hitler say it was okay to hate them, but he actively killed and tortured them.

I guess I should clarify.

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If you insist on enforcing old testament law on others while
not obeying it yourself, your not a Christian your a Pharisee.
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guess its played out dude. Everyone knows that hardcore christians are self loathing homosexuals anyway.

Part of the homosexual mythology - everyone is at least secretly gay.
Bullshit. Intellectual integrity is not their fort


i know, only people that hate gay people are gay.

A projection of unconscious guilt, pretty simple psycology.
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Where the hell did you get your degree in psych?





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