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THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS

 
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THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS
jesus did not have a wound by a sword


THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS

according to the word of God which Dr Joye Pugh says she basis her "research" on.

Because Jesus was not covered from head to foot in one single cloth. only his body was wrapped in the liene and his head was seperately wrapped ULNIKE THE SHORUD OF TURNIN

********In both the ancient and modern procedure, and in the description of the custom, the head was never wrapped in such a way and the face would remain uncovered. It is very likely that the neck and upper shoulders were also not wrapped in the linen strips.*********

********The head and hair were anointed with the nard unguent, but the powdered spices do not appear to have been applied to the head or face. A small separate 'face cloth' or 'napkin' was generally placed on the face or around the head. John 20:7 refers to this separate cloth, so this aspect of the custom was definitely used regarding Jesus. Rather than ONE piece of cloth, certainly at least two separate pieces are described here.***********




In the day of Jesus, Jewish society was incredibly structured. Every aspect of life was precisely defined and controlled by religious beliefs. This organization of life included burial rituals.

The Bible is even very clear on this matter. John 19:38-40 is very precise in indicating that Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus prepared Jesus' body in the manner of the Jews for proper burial. This procedure involves extensive wrapping of the body, while including a LOT of myrrh and aloes that would get placed between the various layers of cloth. Specifically, John 19:40 says that "Then took they the body of Jesus, and wound it in linen clothes with the spices, as the manner of the Jews is to bury."

The amount of myrrh and aloes used in this ritual was a sign of the respect for that individual. It was common to use great quantities of spices for embalming the dead. When Rabbi Gamaliel died around the same time, 80 pounds of spices were used in preparing his body. The same general situation is known regarding the death of Aristobulus. So the hundred pounds of myrrh and aloes mentioned in John 19:39 is generally in line with other highly respected people of the time.

Merrill Tenney describes the Jewish custom as follows: In preparing a body for burial according to Jewish custom, it was usually washed and straightened, and then bandaged tightly from the armpits to the ankles in strips of linen about a foot wide. Aromatic spices, often of a gummy consistency, were placed between the wrappings or folds. They served partially as a preservative and partially as a cement to glue the cloth wrappings into a solid covering. (from: The Reality of the Resurrection).

In some parts of Syria, this burial custom is still observed. In both the ancient and modern procedure, and in the description of the custom, the head was never wrapped in such a way and the face would remain uncovered. It is very likely that the neck and upper shoulders were also not wrapped in the linen strips.

The spices, the myrrh and the aloes, may have been placed dry or in the gummy consistency mentioned above. If they were placed dry between the various layers and folds of the linen, in the case of Jesus, it would not seem that we would still have the 'glue' effect mentioned above. However, in addition, a semi-liquid unguent such as nard was initially used to anoint the body. The effect of this would be to cause the powdered myrrh and aloes near the body to strongly adhere to the body and to the layers of linen. Outer layers of myrrh and the aloes might have remained as a dry powder.

The point being made here is that in either case, this complex and involved wrapping of many narrow strips of cloth would naturally have stuck together so strongly as to effectively make a relatively rigid 'cocoon' around the body.

The head and hair were anointed with the nard unguent, but the powdered spices do not appear to have been applied to the head or face. A small separate 'face cloth' or 'napkin' was generally placed on the face or around the head. John 20:7 refers to this separate cloth, so this aspect of the custom was definitely used regarding Jesus. Rather than ONE piece of cloth, certainly at least two separate pieces are described here.

Several points should be noted. A HUNDRED POUNDS of myrrh and aloes were applied during the burial preparation. If a single sheet, such as the Shroud of Turin was used as the burial cloth, how could they have applied such a great amount of spices? Jewish custom did not involve using a single cloth, but rather a number of long strips of linen that were tightly wrapped many times around the body. The presence of the myrrh and the nard would have made the burial clothes become extremely rigid. The burial clothes were never extended to cover the head or face but only wrapped the body.

The Shroud of Turin contradicts each of these known facts. It purports to show both the body and head and face of Jesus. It purports to be a single loose layer of cloth under and over the body, which is very different from the Jewish custom that was actually followed. Actually, such a burial would have been extremely disrespectful of Jesus, something that Joseph of Arimathaea would certainly not have done or allowed. No matter how carefully strips were wrapped around the body, it would be impossible to get a full body image, even if the face was not included. The Shroud of Turin is apparently not as physically rigid as the burial clothes of Jesus had to have been. It is not saturated with great amounts of myrrh and aloes, although it could be argued that such materials may have evaporated over the centuries (but precise chemical analysis should still show their presence, considering the original amount of 100 pounds, almost comparable to the body weight of Jesus Himself!).
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Re: THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS
Well of course not because "jesus" is a myth. That's just obvious.
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Re: THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS
yes it is. God himself said so, and I know who God is.
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Shroud of Turin has been proven fake anyway, which I guess puts it in the same category as the Torah, Bible and Koran.
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fart for religitards
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Re: THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS
Well duh! of course it isn't. It can't be because jesus was a myth.

No fewer than 6 characters in history all shared the same characteristics:

virgin birth
performed miracles
died and was resurected

A character about every 200 years for over 1000 years shared this same myth. fairy tales ftw.
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The Shroud of Turin shows that the man who was covered with it WAS STILL ALIVE!!!
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Re: THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS
it is vlad the impaler. just look at that stache.
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Re: THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS
Well duh! of course it isn't. It can't be because jesus was a myth.

No fewer than 6 characters in history all shared the same characteristics:

virgin birth
performed miracles
died and was resurected

A character about every 200 years for over 1000 years shared this same myth. fairy tales ftw.
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Another idiot who gets their "History" from the internets.

Zeitgeist has been proven to be fallacious disinfo btw.

Propaganda ftw.
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Re: THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS
Read a good book by the guys who wrote "Holy Blood Holy Grail" speculating that the shroud was actually used to wrap up Jacques de Molay, head of the Knights Templar, after he was arrested and put through a recreation of the crucifixtion by the Church as his punishment for blasphemy.

They say the impression was made because he did not die from the torture but was sequestered by the women of his household in a dark room while they treated him with herbs. The shroud was removed and placed in a cupboard, and when it was retrieved and the image was found on it, and because of the 'miracle' it began a revival of the Templar movement.

According to their research, the Church quickly swooped in and confiscated it and twisted history made it into the "Shroud of Turin" turning it into a Christian artifact. This is why the dating of the fibers shows it to be hundreds of years older than the time of Jesus.

I personally saw it once in Mexico City, but was totally ignorant of what it was, I think I was 14 or so. But I tell you it capture my attention when I was face to face with it, kinda emanated a power or something---hard to describe but I never forgot that moment.
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Re: THE SHROUD OF TURIN IS NOT THE BURIAL CLOTH OF JESUS
Well duh! of course it isn't. It can't be because jesus was a myth.

No fewer than 6 characters in history all shared the same characteristics:

virgin birth
performed miracles
died and was resurected

A character about every 200 years for over 1000 years shared this same myth. fairy tales ftw.


Another idiot who gets their "History" from the internets.

Zeitgeist has been proven to be fallacious disinfo btw.

Propaganda ftw.
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Well the movie has a bunch of bullshit no doubt but there is no denying that the "Christ Drama" has played out many times on this planet. Great mythologist like Joseph Campbell has pointed that out repeatedly, so it's not a fairy tale but is scholastically proven -- just check out the Mithras legends if you haven't learned that story yet.





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