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Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

 
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I can't even express how out dated and utterly shot down that line of reasoning and word play is.

If you would take the time to read the thread, you might find out the Tax is nothing more than a use fee for Notes issued by a private bank. The cases proving this point have posted already.

But, thanks for the bump!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867

Do they call it a usage fee.... tax??
They call it an income... tax.

The tax IS income for those who collect it.

Burton's legal Thesaurus:
CAPITALIZE--> Utilize for profit/manipulate/take advantage of.
Utilize for profit = Incorporate for income.

Through name capitalization, creating a trade/Business name from our name, we have been "incorporated" into the Corporation, and the the Corporation harvests our energy and labor in the form of fiat currency for their profit.

My understanding....
the term "usage fees", is also known as "interest", collected when the "Lender" turns homeowner's credit over to fiat currency, attaches usage fees (interest) then pretends to give Homeowner something valuable for a loan.
But they gave the Homeowner an illusion, not a loan.

They cannot attach 'usage fees' to homeowner's credit.
But they can attach usage fees to "their" fiat currency.

My understanding is...
they also have a hidden lien on "their" fiat currency, which in turn, places a lien on everything purchased with their fiat currency.


But regardless whether or not homeowner's credit is turned over to fiat currency, the value for both credit and fiat, comes from the same place--> Homeowner's energy and labor.

The retail/commercial Banks "sell" the homeowner fiat currency that has no value.
When they collect usage fees they attached to the negative value fiat, they collect fiat from homeowners Bank Account with *positive* value (fiat or cash, backed by homeowner's energy/labor)
 Quoting: Don ald


There are so many problems with your post. Read the damn thread and learn something because you are lost at sea without a rudder. Every single line of what you posted has a fallacy in it that has been disproven in court cases and flys in the face of law, reason and common sense.

It's not "income" for he Federal reserve nor the Fed Government. The Federal government gets unlimited credit issued from the Fed member banks, the Federal Government needs your ignorant ass to endorse that debt onto yourself and your estate so IT does not have to pay it back in goods and services at FACE VALUE. The use fee income tax simply discharges the INTEREST on the principle of the debt, it is not INCOME of anything but new debt dumped right back onto treasury accounts then cycled back onto endorsers of the debt via open endorsements on checks, loans and fractional reserve deposits.

Please stop spamming this thread with your misconceptions and debunked 40 year old title 26 bullshit. Read the thread, your arguments have been destroyed already.

Redemption from the Federal reserve debt peonage is written in black and white in 12 USC 411 and the results are proof of concept.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867
It is income tax, not taxed income.

The tax being collected IS income.
You added the word "usage" in front of income but say mine is fallace?
Disproven in court cases? Legal Courts?
I would not expect what I shared to be "approved" at a "legal" court, thats why folks must learn to ask the right questions, then ask retail commercial banks and other financial institutions 'directly'.

*Fiat currency printed out of thin air BEFORE working = *purchasing* power (acts like credit, they can print the fiat currency but cannot print it's value.

*Fiat currency employees/laborers obtains AFTER working =Buying power. (Buying power, backed by employees energy and labor).

We labor to back what they print and spend.
They use folks like a credit card.
There is no denying someone must work FIRST to 'create' a paycheck which they "cash in" for the fiat currency.
The fact that someone must work FIRST, indicates their energy and labor IS the value backing the fiat.The fact the Federal Government (or whoever) collects fiat currency AFTER employees work, also proves the fiat currency is backed by workers energy and labor.
It sounds like you are stuck on "legal law" and cannot "see" the natural law.

But that is my opinion.

I am here to learn, so I ask you to break down each line in my post you consider to have fallace, without adding words to terms such as "usage income tax"...

Make it easier to understand what you are conveying
Instead of saying each line has fallace, point out the fallace in each line.

The Fed gets "unlimited credit" because the employees and laborers are backing the Feds unlimited credit with their own energy and labor.

Did you know that homeowners are giving Fanny Mae a loan of credit?
This credit is backed by homeowner's energy and labor, just like the credit used to *purchase* homeowners house.

Banks such as Wells Faro are retail/commercial (Business banks collecting mortgages (dead pledges) from homeowners. What is homeowner pledging?
Homeowner is pledging their credit.
Where else do you think the credit for the Fed is coming from?
Do homeowners know they are pledging 15 to 30 years worth of credit to Fanny Mae, so Fanny Mae can have homeowners credit changed into fiat currency so Fanny Mae can invest it?

Fiat currency doesn't back itself, and is unlikely to get help from the printer.
 Quoting: Don ald


You back the fiat currency via your use of it and acceptance via direct or indirect ENDORSEMENT.

Since you claim you are here to lean, READ THE THREAD.

Look up "naked endorsement" look up "naked contract" (the back of any paycheck) clearly marked "for official use only"!!

Look up how any check is nothing more than an instrument for YOU the endorser to accept the existing Liability to pay the face value of the debt in goods and services.

The cases I posted about have all been addressed in the previous pages of this thread which you clearly have not even tried to read.

Do not come here with your lost horizons, cracking the code nonsense, it does not work and gets endorsers put in prison.

Redemption as written in 12 USC 411 does exactly what it supposed to do, redeems me from the Federal debt system of peonage while making it possible for me to continue to live in a home, have rights restored, control my own COURT OF RECORD, and end fractional reserve lies and debt.

Results are what I care about, nothing more or less. Read the thread.
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Do they call it a usage fee.... tax??
They call it an income... tax.

The tax IS income for those who collect it.

Burton's legal Thesaurus:
CAPITALIZE--> Utilize for profit/manipulate/take advantage of.
Utilize for profit = Incorporate for income.

Through name capitalization, creating a trade/Business name from our name, we have been "incorporated" into the Corporation, and the the Corporation harvests our energy and labor in the form of fiat currency for their profit.

My understanding....
the term "usage fees", is also known as "interest", collected when the "Lender" turns homeowner's credit over to fiat currency, attaches usage fees (interest) then pretends to give Homeowner something valuable for a loan.
But they gave the Homeowner an illusion, not a loan.

They cannot attach 'usage fees' to homeowner's credit.
But they can attach usage fees to "their" fiat currency.

My understanding is...
they also have a hidden lien on "their" fiat currency, which in turn, places a lien on everything purchased with their fiat currency.


But regardless whether or not homeowner's credit is turned over to fiat currency, the value for both credit and fiat, comes from the same place--> Homeowner's energy and labor.

The retail/commercial Banks "sell" the homeowner fiat currency that has no value.
When they collect usage fees they attached to the negative value fiat, they collect fiat from homeowners Bank Account with *positive* value (fiat or cash, backed by homeowner's energy/labor)
 Quoting: Don ald


There are so many problems with your post. Read the damn thread and learn something because you are lost at sea without a rudder. Every single line of what you posted has a fallacy in it that has been disproven in court cases and flys in the face of law, reason and common sense.

It's not "income" for he Federal reserve nor the Fed Government. The Federal government gets unlimited credit issued from the Fed member banks, the Federal Government needs your ignorant ass to endorse that debt onto yourself and your estate so IT does not have to pay it back in goods and services at FACE VALUE. The use fee income tax simply discharges the INTEREST on the principle of the debt, it is not INCOME of anything but new debt dumped right back onto treasury accounts then cycled back onto endorsers of the debt via open endorsements on checks, loans and fractional reserve deposits.

Please stop spamming this thread with your misconceptions and debunked 40 year old title 26 bullshit. Read the thread, your arguments have been destroyed already.

Redemption from the Federal reserve debt peonage is written in black and white in 12 USC 411 and the results are proof of concept.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867
It is income tax, not taxed income.

The tax being collected IS income.
You added the word "usage" in front of income but say mine is fallace?
Disproven in court cases? Legal Courts?
I would not expect what I shared to be "approved" at a "legal" court, thats why folks must learn to ask the right questions, then ask retail commercial banks and other financial institutions 'directly'.

*Fiat currency printed out of thin air BEFORE working = *purchasing* power (acts like credit, they can print the fiat currency but cannot print it's value.

*Fiat currency employees/laborers obtains AFTER working =Buying power. (Buying power, backed by employees energy and labor).

We labor to back what they print and spend.
They use folks like a credit card.
There is no denying someone must work FIRST to 'create' a paycheck which they "cash in" for the fiat currency.
The fact that someone must work FIRST, indicates their energy and labor IS the value backing the fiat.The fact the Federal Government (or whoever) collects fiat currency AFTER employees work, also proves the fiat currency is backed by workers energy and labor.
It sounds like you are stuck on "legal law" and cannot "see" the natural law.

But that is my opinion.

I am here to learn, so I ask you to break down each line in my post you consider to have fallace, without adding words to terms such as "usage income tax"...

Make it easier to understand what you are conveying
Instead of saying each line has fallace, point out the fallace in each line.

The Fed gets "unlimited credit" because the employees and laborers are backing the Feds unlimited credit with their own energy and labor.

Did you know that homeowners are giving Fanny Mae a loan of credit?
This credit is backed by homeowner's energy and labor, just like the credit used to *purchase* homeowners house.

Banks such as Wells Faro are retail/commercial (Business banks collecting mortgages (dead pledges) from homeowners. What is homeowner pledging?
Homeowner is pledging their credit.
Where else do you think the credit for the Fed is coming from?
Do homeowners know they are pledging 15 to 30 years worth of credit to Fanny Mae, so Fanny Mae can have homeowners credit changed into fiat currency so Fanny Mae can invest it?

Fiat currency doesn't back itself, and is unlikely to get help from the printer.
 Quoting: Don ald


You back the fiat currency via your use of it and acceptance via direct or indirect ENDORSEMENT.
--------------------------------------
MY REPLY:
What backs the use and endorsement? Is it not energy and labor?
If folks did not work, would they still be able to back/endorse the fiat?
--------------------------------------

Since you claim you are here to lean, READ THE THREAD.

Look up "naked endorsement" look up "naked contract" (the back of any paycheck) clearly marked "for official use only"!!

Look up how any check is nothing more than an instrument for YOU the endorser to accept the existing Liability to pay the face value of the debt in goods and services.
---------------------------------
MY REPLY:
Does an employee receive a paycheck 'before' or AFTER they work? If AFTER, then what is the value contained in their paycheck?
---------------------------------
The cases I posted about have all been addressed in the previous pages of this thread which you clearly have not even tried to read.

Do not come here with your lost horizons, cracking the code nonsense, it does not work and gets endorsers put in prison.

Redemption as written in 12 USC 411 does exactly what it supposed to do, redeems me from the Federal debt system of peonage while making it possible for me to continue to live in a home, have rights restored, control my own COURT OF RECORD, and end fractional reserve lies and debt.
-------------------------------------
MY REPLY:
Have you 'truly' been redeemed from the Federal Debt system?
On your financial statements, is your name still appearing in all CAPITAL letters?
If you have a mortgage, do you make deposits (not payments) to Fanny Mae?
Do you no longer pay for water/electricity/ ground rent (property tax) and so on ....?
If you no longer pay for these things, then I will really be impressed and study your thread in more depth and will even owe you an apology.

--------------------------------------
Results are what I care about, nothing more or less. Read the thread.
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The ALL CAPS NAME is not "mine" nor can it be "redeemed".

It, and the PERSON it is, is a legal vehicle used to conduct commerce. It is not ME nor has it ever been.

Since you asked, no, I do not have a legal NAME. All of my business affairs are handled via TRUSTS, set up by an ESTATE (both are NON-domestic).

I have nothing with "my name" on it. All my signature endorsements are restricted and all right reserved, without prejudice. All cases against me or my trusts or estate are adjudicated in my own Federal Court of record in the local District Court of the United States and notice is given of proceedings to the lower courts recorder as public notice.

If you would read the thread instead of trying to be right, you would already know that and exactly how it was done.

But you have not read the thread, have you.
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The ALL CAPS NAME is not "mine" nor can it be "redeemed".

It, and the PERSON it is, is a legal vehicle used to conduct commerce. It is not ME nor has it ever been.

Since you asked, no, I do not have a legal NAME. All of my business affairs are handled via TRUSTS, set up by an ESTATE (both are NON-domestic).

I have nothing with "my name" on it. All my signature endorsements are restricted and all right reserved, without prejudice. All cases against me or my trusts or estate are adjudicated in my own Federal Court of record in the local District Court of the United States and notice is given of proceedings to the lower courts recorder as public notice.

If you would read the thread instead of trying to be right, you would already know that and exactly how it was done.

But you have not read the thread, have you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867

Your response is appreciated,

Two more question then I'll venture off to read the very long thread....
Did you or do you have a mortgage?
Do you make deposits to Fanny Mae through a "Lender" (Note Holder) or Servicer?
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Can you please answer my above questions?
There is no right or wrong answer.
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Have had 2 mortgages on homes which were sold and "paid off". Of course, they were not actually "paid off" just added to the big debt clock in times SQUARE. Both were fanny/Freddy before the big drop. I saw it all getting ready to crash and got out of both houses just before it all went down.

Both were before I knew anything about 12 USC 411 or the scam of fractional reserve lending, promissory notes, federal reserve debt etc.
I currently have no mortgage.
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[link to en.m.wikipedia.org]

Holy S|~|*t! Title 12 USC is the "trading with the enemy act"!! I never knew that till reading this thread!!

Why would banking be federally regulated as "trading with the enemy"??
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2014 New Years bump!
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Do they call it a usage fee.... tax??
They call it an income... tax.

The tax IS income for those who collect it.

Burton's legal Thesaurus:
CAPITALIZE--> Utilize for profit/manipulate/take advantage of.
Utilize for profit = Incorporate for income.

Through name capitalization, creating a trade/Business name from our name, we have been "incorporated" into the Corporation, and the the Corporation harvests our energy and labor in the form of fiat currency for their profit.

My understanding....
the term "usage fees", is also known as "interest", collected when the "Lender" turns homeowner's credit over to fiat currency, attaches usage fees (interest) then pretends to give Homeowner something valuable for a loan.
But they gave the Homeowner an illusion, not a loan.

They cannot attach 'usage fees' to homeowner's credit.
But they can attach usage fees to "their" fiat currency.

My understanding is...
they also have a hidden lien on "their" fiat currency, which in turn, places a lien on everything purchased with their fiat currency.


But regardless whether or not homeowner's credit is turned over to fiat currency, the value for both credit and fiat, comes from the same place--> Homeowner's energy and labor.

The retail/commercial Banks "sell" the homeowner fiat currency that has no value.
When they collect usage fees they attached to the negative value fiat, they collect fiat from homeowners Bank Account with *positive* value (fiat or cash, backed by homeowner's energy/labor)
 Quoting: Don ald


There are so many problems with your post. Read the damn thread and learn something because you are lost at sea without a rudder. Every single line of what you posted has a fallacy in it that has been disproven in court cases and flys in the face of law, reason and common sense.

It's not "income" for he Federal reserve nor the Fed Government. The Federal government gets unlimited credit issued from the Fed member banks, the Federal Government needs your ignorant ass to endorse that debt onto yourself and your estate so IT does not have to pay it back in goods and services at FACE VALUE. The use fee income tax simply discharges the INTEREST on the principle of the debt, it is not INCOME of anything but new debt dumped right back onto treasury accounts then cycled back onto endorsers of the debt via open endorsements on checks, loans and fractional reserve deposits.

Please stop spamming this thread with your misconceptions and debunked 40 year old title 26 bullshit. Read the thread, your arguments have been destroyed already.

Redemption from the Federal reserve debt peonage is written in black and white in 12 USC 411 and the results are proof of concept.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867
It is income tax, not taxed income.

The tax being collected IS income.
You added the word "usage" in front of income but say mine is fallace?
Disproven in court cases? Legal Courts?
I would not expect what I shared to be "approved" at a "legal" court, thats why folks must learn to ask the right questions, then ask retail commercial banks and other financial institutions 'directly'.

*Fiat currency printed out of thin air BEFORE working = *purchasing* power (acts like credit, they can print the fiat currency but cannot print it's value.

*Fiat currency employees/laborers obtains AFTER working =Buying power. (Buying power, backed by employees energy and labor).

We labor to back what they print and spend.
They use folks like a credit card.
There is no denying someone must work FIRST to 'create' a paycheck which they "cash in" for the fiat currency.
The fact that someone must work FIRST, indicates their energy and labor IS the value backing the fiat.The fact the Federal Government (or whoever) collects fiat currency AFTER employees work, also proves the fiat currency is backed by workers energy and labor.
It sounds like you are stuck on "legal law" and cannot "see" the natural law.

But that is my opinion.

I am here to learn, so I ask you to break down each line in my post you consider to have fallace, without adding words to terms such as "usage income tax"...

Make it easier to understand what you are conveying
Instead of saying each line has fallace, point out the fallace in each line.

The Fed gets "unlimited credit" because the employees and laborers are backing the Feds unlimited credit with their own energy and labor.

Did you know that homeowners are giving Fanny Mae a loan of credit?
This credit is backed by homeowner's energy and labor, just like the credit used to *purchase* homeowners house.

Banks such as Wells Faro are retail/commercial (Business banks collecting mortgages (dead pledges) from homeowners. What is homeowner pledging?
Homeowner is pledging their credit.
Where else do you think the credit for the Fed is coming from?
Do homeowners know they are pledging 15 to 30 years worth of credit to Fanny Mae, so Fanny Mae can have homeowners credit changed into fiat currency so Fanny Mae can invest it?

Fiat currency doesn't back itself, and is unlikely to get help from the printer.
 Quoting: Don ald


You back the fiat currency via your use of it and acceptance via direct or indirect ENDORSEMENT.

Since you claim you are here to lean, READ THE THREAD.

Look up "naked endorsement" look up "naked contract" (the back of any paycheck) clearly marked "for official use only"!!

Look up how any check is nothing more than an instrument for YOU the endorser to accept the existing Liability to pay the face value of the debt in goods and services.

The cases I posted about have all been addressed in the previous pages of this thread which you clearly have not even tried to read.

Do not come here with your lost horizons, cracking the code nonsense, it does not work and gets endorsers put in prison.

Redemption as written in 12 USC 411 does exactly what it supposed to do, redeems me from the Federal debt system of peonage while making it possible for me to continue to live in a home, have rights restored, control my own COURT OF RECORD, and end fractional reserve lies and debt.

Results are what I care about, nothing more or less. Read the thread.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867
Results? How many people have used this remedy? And didn't get bank accounts levy or property taken away?
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[link to www.dailypaul.com]

Rod Class has now received FOUR Administrative Rulings that prove what many of us have felt to be truth: What you think is government; what you think are legitimate Government Officials/Senators/Congressman/Policeman/Governors/Tax Collectors, etc. are nothing more than private contractors, extorting money from American Citizens and failing to pay off the public debt as they are instructed to do by the 1933 bankruptcy.

They are treating us as if we are paid government employees; enforcing their own internal rules-regulations-codes, and statutes on the average Citizen, as well as conveniently forgetting to send us our weekly/monthly government employment check.

I've been preaching this for the last year + with no avail on this forum. Perhaps now, people will begin to listen and take action.

In these radio shows, Rod explains his Administrative Rulings from the various Judges; explains the con, and shows you, where in their very own US Codes the above aforementioned information is spot on.

There are a few shows you need to listen to, and here are some bullet points of those shows:

1. All BAR attorneys are prohibited from representing John Q. Public; can only represent gov't officials and employees within their own agencies, their BAR Charter says so.

2. Any Judge that prohibits you from representing yourself or hiring a defense other than a BAR attorney, are in fact, committing a felony on the bench in violation of the Taft-Hartly Act (running a closed union shop) and the Smith Act (overthrow of Constitutional form of Gov't)

3. Anytime an BAR attorney represents someone in a case against you, you can now claim that person is incompetent; a ward of the state, with no standing to sue.

4. Any and all tax collectors, police officers, sheriffs dept's, DOT, tag agencies, BAR attorneys, Judges, Highway Patrol, supposed elected officials, are nothing more than private contractors, who can now be brought up on fraud charges for impersonating a public official while receiving federal funding.

5. Any and all home, vehicle, credit card loans are supposed to be discharged through the Treasury window, in compliance with the 1933 bankruptcy laws. These scumbags are double dipping and never discharging the debt like they are supposed to. They are embezzling the funds and pocketing them for themselves.

6. Every person sitting in prison today was railroading by a BAR attorney who's first allegiance is to the State; who had no lawful authority to represent them; who worked in concert with the State to perpetrate a fraud upon it's victims.

Click on the link to read more
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There are so many problems with your post. Read the damn thread and learn something because you are lost at sea without a rudder. Every single line of what you posted has a fallacy in it that has been disproven in court cases and flys in the face of law, reason and common sense.

It's not "income" for he Federal reserve nor the Fed Government. The Federal government gets unlimited credit issued from the Fed member banks, the Federal Government needs your ignorant ass to endorse that debt onto yourself and your estate so IT does not have to pay it back in goods and services at FACE VALUE. The use fee income tax simply discharges the INTEREST on the principle of the debt, it is not INCOME of anything but new debt dumped right back onto treasury accounts then cycled back onto endorsers of the debt via open endorsements on checks, loans and fractional reserve deposits.

Please stop spamming this thread with your misconceptions and debunked 40 year old title 26 bullshit. Read the thread, your arguments have been destroyed already.

Redemption from the Federal reserve debt peonage is written in black and white in 12 USC 411 and the results are proof of concept.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867
It is income tax, not taxed income.

The tax being collected IS income.
You added the word "usage" in front of income but say mine is fallace?
Disproven in court cases? Legal Courts?
I would not expect what I shared to be "approved" at a "legal" court, thats why folks must learn to ask the right questions, then ask retail commercial banks and other financial institutions 'directly'.

*Fiat currency printed out of thin air BEFORE working = *purchasing* power (acts like credit, they can print the fiat currency but cannot print it's value.

*Fiat currency employees/laborers obtains AFTER working =Buying power. (Buying power, backed by employees energy and labor).

We labor to back what they print and spend.
They use folks like a credit card.
There is no denying someone must work FIRST to 'create' a paycheck which they "cash in" for the fiat currency.
The fact that someone must work FIRST, indicates their energy and labor IS the value backing the fiat.The fact the Federal Government (or whoever) collects fiat currency AFTER employees work, also proves the fiat currency is backed by workers energy and labor.
It sounds like you are stuck on "legal law" and cannot "see" the natural law.

But that is my opinion.

I am here to learn, so I ask you to break down each line in my post you consider to have fallace, without adding words to terms such as "usage income tax"...

Make it easier to understand what you are conveying
Instead of saying each line has fallace, point out the fallace in each line.

The Fed gets "unlimited credit" because the employees and laborers are backing the Feds unlimited credit with their own energy and labor.

Did you know that homeowners are giving Fanny Mae a loan of credit?
This credit is backed by homeowner's energy and labor, just like the credit used to *purchase* homeowners house.

Banks such as Wells Faro are retail/commercial (Business banks collecting mortgages (dead pledges) from homeowners. What is homeowner pledging?
Homeowner is pledging their credit.
Where else do you think the credit for the Fed is coming from?
Do homeowners know they are pledging 15 to 30 years worth of credit to Fanny Mae, so Fanny Mae can have homeowners credit changed into fiat currency so Fanny Mae can invest it?

Fiat currency doesn't back itself, and is unlikely to get help from the printer.
 Quoting: Don ald


You back the fiat currency via your use of it and acceptance via direct or indirect ENDORSEMENT.

Since you claim you are here to lean, READ THE THREAD.

Look up "naked endorsement" look up "naked contract" (the back of any paycheck) clearly marked "for official use only"!!

Look up how any check is nothing more than an instrument for YOU the endorser to accept the existing Liability to pay the face value of the debt in goods and services.

The cases I posted about have all been addressed in the previous pages of this thread which you clearly have not even tried to read.

Do not come here with your lost horizons, cracking the code nonsense, it does not work and gets endorsers put in prison.

Redemption as written in 12 USC 411 does exactly what it supposed to do, redeems me from the Federal debt system of peonage while making it possible for me to continue to live in a home, have rights restored, control my own COURT OF RECORD, and end fractional reserve lies and debt.

Results are what I care about, nothing more or less. Read the thread.
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Results? How many people have used this remedy? And didn't get bank accounts levy or property taken away?
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you should read the thread. NOT 1 court case has been filed, not 1 frivolous filing claim has been made by the IRS, not one account levied.

In fact, the exact opposite has happened, the IRS has actually stopped actions against people once their demands per 12 USC 411.

For sanitized documents you can go to [link to www.savingtosuitorsclub.net]
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Still one of the best threads ever on the subject of freedom from government intrusion into our lives and wresting control from the hands of the pirates.
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Bump!!
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Still one of the best threads ever on the subject of freedom from government intrusion into our lives and wresting control from the hands of the pirates.
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Has this thread helped you personally?
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Thanks for the bump. rken
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Okay can anyone share real stories now that they're using this remedy?
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Still one of the best threads ever on the subject of freedom from government intrusion into our lives and wresting control from the hands of the pirates.
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Has this thread helped you personally?
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Yes it has. A full year of demand for redemption in lawful money just ended for a friend of mine. The tax return is filed and the return after interest will be nearly 10 thousand dollars!

Those are real world results. Of course the check from the I "R" S will be demanded redeemed in lawful money per 12 USC 411.

Some are enjoying over 7 years of returns and or exemption (their choice) from entanglements of the IR.S.

Saving to the suitors forum has plenty of people posting their lawful money events and results.

Congratulations to all!!!!
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Thank you for the resply.
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bumphf For the true remedy .. May it reach all who need it with speed ...
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Bump for April 15th tax return deadline! And thank you IRS for a fat return check this year, I will be sure and demand it be redeemed in lawful money per 12 USC 411 again this year.

I know it's not allot, but it's a few thousand dollars you will not get and a little more power taken from the money changers.
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Bump for April 15th tax return deadline! And thank you IRS for a fat return check this year, I will be sure and demand it be redeemed in lawful money per 12 USC 411 again this year.

I know it's not allot, but it's a few thousand dollars you will not get and a little more power taken from the money changers.
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How many returns have you received?
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TIS THE SEASON

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