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Searching this thread in google with the delimiting keyword "PayPal" yields no actual answers to this question. I am still looking elsewhere but have yet to find a definitive answer on this.
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Searching this thread in google with the delimiting keyword "PayPal" yields no actual answers to this question. I am still looking elsewhere but have yet to find a definitive answer on this.
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Steam, I'm gonna say that income from paypal would be taxable as it is not issued by the treasury.

I use Veazie bank v. Fenno as the authority on that. It would also depend on what the nature of the income was...ie employment, rents, etc.
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you didn't write that post, someone else did it for you!
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Still the most important and relevant thread on GLP.

Read and read again.
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....for the upcoming tax season
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Still the most important and relevant thread on GLP.

Read and read again.
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What makes you say that?
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Still the most important and relevant thread on GLP.

Read and read again.
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What makes you say that?
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Nobody said that. It was posted, not said, because it is true in the informed opinion of the poster.

That should be obvious to a competent man or woman.
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After reading through and searching this thread I can't help but notice there are no answers regarding digital transfers through PayPal.

How would one redeem lawful money when transferring from PP to a bank account, or transferring from the bank into PP?

PayPal offers transfer receipts but they're digital. Would someone just print that digital receipt & stamp it with 12 USC 411? That receipt is "mine" so it wouldn't be sent to the bank or to PayPal, so would that even be enough evidence?
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Steam, I'm gonna say that income from paypal would be taxable as it is not issued by the treasury.

I use Veazie bank v. Fenno as the authority on that. It would also depend on what the nature of the income was...ie employment, rents, etc.
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I'm gonna say that ANY & ALL transactions can be made non-taxable via a 'transaction based' demand for lawful money.

On the front of any check or any bank deposit slip, in the blank space near the left/top, you make YOUR demand on a paper instrument you issued --> "LAWFUL MONEY & FULL DISCHARGE IS DEMANDED ALL TRANSACTIONS 12 USC 411, 95a(2)" --> the keys words here being "ALL TRANSACTIONS"

A week or two later, go online to your bank and download/print out the bank copies of those transactions (front & back). This is self-authenticating evidence under the Federal Rules of Evidence Exception to Hearsay rule 803(6)(B)....which states:

Rule 803. Exceptions to the Rule Against Hearsay

The following are not excluded by the rule against hearsay, regardless of whether the declarant is available as a witness:

(6) Records of a Regularly Conducted Activity. A record of an act, event, condition, opinion, or diagnosis if:

(B) the record was kept in the course of a regularly conducted activity of a business, organization, occupation, or calling, whether or not for profit;

Who can rebut your demand? NO ONE !!
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^ this is good but the issue is that I have no check or deposit slip for these transactions.

Money gets sent digitally from someone's paypal to my paypal. I then transfer money from paypal into my bank account-again, all digitally.

There is no paper trail. There's no paper to stamp or write on for the demand.

That's the trouble here
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What Americans do not understand, because they are miseducated and
malinformed on substantive issues, is that IF Constitutional soveriegn money
was restored to the people, we could easily pay for all the social programs.

We could pay for truly reinventive collaboration, and transform civilization
into a new paradigm by leaps and bounds. Free energy has been suppressed
since the time when J.P. Morgan defunded Tesla's Wardenclyffe.
Why ? Because he said he couldn't make any money off it. We are still
enslaved by 19th century technologies which are ruining the ecosphere
and still intent on rebuilding an antiquated infrastructure when we should
be building an entirely different mode of transportation.

People say: "It will cost too much", "We will owe too much", "I don't want
my money to be distributed to others", etc, ad nauseum.. but what they do
not realize is that these complaints are only valid within the system that we
are forced to live under.

Take away the Central Bank, and we are free again.
The people are the sovereign FIAT source of money according to the
Constitution, not J.P. Morgan Chase who owns the New York Federal Reserve
who is owned by the heirs of Rothschilds, Baruchs and Warburgs.

Bernie's plans keep us SLAVES to the banks ! His solutions are FALSE
because they rely on taxation to "pay" the banks ! F THE BANKS !!
Shut them down. We can still have non-usurious community banks but
we have to get rid of the Central Bank and strip it of ALL POWER or
no solution to our slavery will ever happen.
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screw you.
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^ this is good but the issue is that I have no check or deposit slip for these transactions.

Money gets sent digitally from someone's paypal to my paypal. I then transfer money from paypal into my bank account-again, all digitally.

There is no paper trail. There's no paper to stamp or write on for the demand.

That's the trouble here
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The paper trail is your demand.

The burden of proof is on them to show you have not made a lawful demand for redemption from their fiat scam.

How can they prove you do not have a demand when you have proof you do for ALL TRANSACTIONS on your bank account?

Come on, this is not rocket science, you are IN or you are OUT, which is it?
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^ this is good but the issue is that I have no check or deposit slip for these transactions.

Money gets sent digitally from someone's paypal to my paypal.

No "money" gets sent. Until you get that through your head, nothing else will matter.

I then transfer money from paypal into my bank account-again, all digitally.

As has been pointed out, put the demand on your damn signature card for the account. ALL transactions for that account are then redeemed.

There is no paper trail. There's no paper to stamp or write on for the demand.

The Signature card is the paper trail, get it?

That's the trouble here
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You clouded duality of mind is the trouble here, not the process or the facts.
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ON THAT

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FOR DRUDGE LYFE

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ON THAT

bump

FOR DRUDGE LYFE

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lol! Thanks for that!!
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it is very telling that the betrayer of YEHSUA with a kiss was the Treasurer Judas.
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it is very telling that the betrayer of YEHSUA with a kiss was the Treasurer Judas.
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your profane behavior aswell a lawful money remedy is suspect to say the least.

shill much? Thread: Birth Certificate Estate-Two Birthdates Exposed!!!

obviously
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it is very telling that the betrayer of YEHSUA with a kiss was the Treasurer Judas.
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your profane behavior aswell a lawful money remedy is suspect to say the least.

shill much? Thread: Birth Certificate Estate-Two Birthdates Exposed!!!

obviously
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thanks for the bump, I see how idiots can be useful. No wonder the government loves you.

The info in this thread stands alone and has for years now while Ted Turner, Dean Clifford and soon, Winston Strout, enjoy the benefit of prison.

without prejudice, of course.
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How does one go about demanding lawful money (rather than federal reserve notes)?

How to deal with the problem of direct deposit (since no actual deposit slip is used)?

How does one prove their FRNs were converted to lawful money, thereby exempting the income tax?

If one converts ALL their income for a year to lawful money, do they simply not file a 1040 or is there a form or forms they can file in lieu of the 1040 to be sure the IRS isn't going to come after them years later?


People have been doing this since 1933 (actually, this has been an issue since the civil war), most of the time, they would just exchange the FRNs for US Bank Notes, but that changed in 1977.

Now, the FRN serves as US Bank notes and the Bank does an accounting of all Lawful money transactions.

As for the IRS, one could file for a full refund or, after a year of redeeming lawful money, do a ZERO withholding on the employers W-4.

Then, when you file a 1040, you simply have ZERO taxable income, but you must redeem lawful money for a full year before doing that.

The IRS has the right to contact you and you must provide your proof that you have been redeeming lawful money with your demands.

As for direct deposit, change your signature card as directed above, or send a notarized letter to your bank that all withdrawals or deposits on account XXXXXX-XXXXXX
are for credit on account or exchanged for lawful money in the form of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value.

Send it Registered mail to your bank.
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Thank You! I've been looking into this for some time. I had a bit of a rough time with the IRS and want to be free of them, but I thought it wise to be square with them before starting this tactic. As of this years 1040, I'll be square. I want to start doing this immediately, but because of my past issues with the IRS, I definitely want to be sure I have recourse if and when they come after me again. I think I'll make a trip to my local IRS office and ask some questions about this technique. I will bookmark this thread and post whatever info (if any) I'm able to glean from the evil bastards.
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U.S. Code › Title 31 › Subtitle IV › Chapter 51 › Subchapter II › § 5115
31 U.S. Code § 5115 - United States currency notes

Current through Pub. L. 114-38. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

US Code
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(a) The Secretary of the Treasury may issue United States currency notes. The notes—
(1) are payable to bearer; and
(2) shall be in a form and in denominations of at least one dollar that the Secretary prescribes.
(b) The amount of United States currency notes outstanding and in circulation—
(1) may not be more than $300,000,000; and
(2) may not be held or used for a reserve.
(Pub. L. 97–258, Sept. 13, 1982, 96 Stat. 983.)"

from: [link to www.law.cornell.edu (secure)]

Proof there are 2 forms of "currency notes "outstanding and in circulation".

Which notes to you use and endorse?

One is TAXABLE as "income" payable to the issuer of the Notes and used as a "reserve currency".

The others are "payable to the bearer" limited to "300 million" and may NOT be held or used as a reserve.

If the United States Currency Notes are "payable to the bearer" that means the bearer of the Notes are OWED money from the US Treasury, not that they OWE money to the US.

If I hold United States Notes listed above, how could I possibly OWE any "money" to the US to "pay" taxes with?

Seems like being owed money by the US Treasury (by holding the notes) pretty much ends the arguments that I could owe some of those notes BACK to the very Department that OWES ME for ALL THE NOTES I HOLD.
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[link to www.treasurydirect.gov]


LOL, page 13 table 4 under "other debt not subject to the National Debt limit:

"United States Notes...................238 (million)"

outstanding!

Yes, there are 2 forms of "money/currency" in circulation, Federal Reserve Notes and United States currency notes.

Which one are you using?

Or is the Secretary of the Treasury a lying to Congress every month in the official accounting of the National debt?

Demand lawful money and refuse the use of Federal Reserve Notes in any form on ALL bank transactions and business contracts.

It really is that simple.
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[link to www.treasurydirect.gov]


LOL, page 13 table 4 under "other debt not subject to the National Debt limit:

"United States Notes...................238 (million)"

outstanding!

Yes, there are 2 forms of "money/currency" in circulation, Federal Reserve Notes and United States currency notes.

Which one are you using?

Or is the Secretary of the Treasury a lying to Congress every month in the official accounting of the National debt?

Demand lawful money and refuse the use of Federal Reserve Notes in any form on ALL bank transactions and business contracts.

It really is that simple.
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Hi 8469. Would you be willing to mentor another here navigate the process you used. I mostly understand what I think I need to do beyond UC 12 411. But I am very curious on you how you operate in life after you remove yourself from their system.
Thanks
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Just before 2 hours in Hartford Van Dyke starts talking. He eventually starts talking money. It is very interesting.

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Here is a letter you might consider sending to your congress-critter prior to signing IRS forms under penalty of perjury:

QUOTE

To Congresscritter:

I contacted USA.gov to ask a question and they wrote to me stating:

"Thank you for contacting USAGov.

"I am not sure that I fully understand your question regarding that U.S. code and the value of U.S. Currency or your coins." ... Sent On - 12/27/2016
Case Number - 01092033-19

They sent me general information but it did not answer my questions. They recommended I contact the U.S. Mint but they don't have an email address and I have difficultly hearing over the phone. Perhaps you can get an answer for me?

Here are the questions:

There are, to my best estimation, over 5 different congressionally regulated values for United States dollars currently being minted as per 31 USC 5112(a)-(e). I would like to know which U.S. coin or currency is REQUIRED by law to be used when measuring the value of income "other than money" when determining "fair market value."

I ask this because 31 USC 5118(c) says I can demand payment MEASURED in a particular United States coin or currency: "United States money measured in... a particular United States coin or currency."

So which U.S. dollar is REQUIRED BY LAW to be used when measuring the value of the many other U.S. forms of legal tender?

And are there some dollars in 31 USC 5112 that are not money but are just somehow something "other than money" according to the law?

I do hope you can answer this for me or forward it to the U.S. Treasury or the U.S. Mint for an answer.

Thank you


How about that? USA.gov couldn’t answer that simple question. If they cannot answer the question how am I to know the answer?
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A "dollar" is a dollar. It is the measure. Like an inch.

It does not matter what the coins are made of or how big or small they are or aren't.

All the matters is they are authorized to be minted by statute.

&

What dollar or cent amount is stamped on it as specified in the statute.

If you want to spend a $50 dollar gold coin it will be accepted for $50 of legal tender.

If you want to spend a $1 silver eagle it will be accepted for $1 of legal tender.

Of course both of those actions would be galactically stupid. However if you wish to transact in gold or silver coin that is your choice and I'd would be happy to do business with you.

Clear?
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A "dollar" is a dollar. It is the measure. Like an inch.

It does not matter what the coins are made of or how big or small they are or aren't.

All the matters is they are authorized to be minted by statute.

&

What dollar or cent amount is stamped on it as specified in the statute.

If you want to spend a $50 dollar gold coin it will be accepted for $50 of legal tender.

If you want to spend a $1 silver eagle it will be accepted for $1 of legal tender.

Of course both of those actions would be galactically stupid. However if you wish to transact in gold or silver coin that is your choice and I'd would be happy to do business with you.

Clear?
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Wrong Jknoph....5115 states one ounce of gold is equal to 42.22 dollars therefore clearly one dollar equals 1/42 of an ounce of gold. A federal reserve note does NOT equal 1/42 ounce of gold
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Fuck all that.

If we all just stopped paying the federal income tax they are done.

I have already started.

Join me.

Free yourself.