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And yes people are doing this and getting full refunds. rken
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Anyone from this thread though?
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This is an opinion piece, we know opinions are like....

There is more to what 'this vote of no confidence on private FED credit' frees you from; than just purported 'tax' obligations.

Operating in a 'lawful' manner in how you handle your business takes a lot of the controls from the courts that 'presume' they have jurisdiction over you.

If FRNs were originally supposed to be used between banks, and you are using them, you are acting like a 'bank'; so to speak.

That automatically criminalizes you (even though you didn't know it). It causes all kinds of problems and raises the issue of being the "Enemy" in the trading with the enemy act.

So to say you want to 'end the Fed' or have penalties assessed against the Fed, "well" those provisions were going to be against you, too.

So much is happening as people start learning the things our 'free education' did not teach us. So many changes are occurring around us and the paradigm shift is very real in our awakening.


I know the tax process is complicated. If you ever file an incorrect tax form, there is a form to correct.
Such that if you are ever uncomfortable with this remedy, you can always file the 'corrected' tax return to 'undo' what you've done.

Remedy works both ways. I haven't filed the taxes yet.

My suggestion is, if this is the first time you've heard of a process that goes against the 'normal' things you know about how 'commerce' works, then you need to learn more than what is posted on this blog.

If you notice, some of the input goes into greater depth than lawful money/legal tender.

That means the posters have an 'expanded' knowledge of
"what we weren't taught and what we don't know.'

The system is set up to 'test your knowledge and skills' when you attempt to break free of it. If you don't know what you are doing, it will easily pull you back. If you operate in 'fear' it loves you and will hold you close.
If you operate in Love, you learn your 'God power' so to speak, and you know who you are, and you know 'it's just a system'. You begin to peel away the veil and see what was hidden.

This is not the only stop. If you haven't tried to peel away the veil, then this would be considered the first stop on your journey.

Their dictionary has the words mistake and error. A mistake can be corrected an error cannot. They make mistakes in their system of justice and correct them. Errors are more severe and not acceptable.

When dealing with taxes, you are allowed to 'make a mistake' and have it corrected if you don't know how to do your taxes. Some mistakes are treated as 'errors' and come with penalties. IRS agent education is compartmentalized. If they knew 'one' did not have to pay taxes, they'd be the first to stop paying but they'd have no job.

There's a reason for the veil and not all of it is sinister. Some if it is to get people to get off their arses and live the divine life given to them or spend it in misery since they want someone else to do the work for them.

Then we get back to wanting someone to tell them what to do, when all men are equal, instead of governing them self.

But then again we have posters who will kill a man who knocks on his door asking for a piece of bread. So I guess there is a need to govern those who will not govern themselves accordingly.
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How does one go about demanding lawful money (rather than federal reserve notes)?

How to deal with the problem of direct deposit (since no actual deposit slip is used)?

How does one prove their FRNs were converted to lawful money, thereby exempting the income tax?

If one converts ALL their income for a year to lawful money, do they simply not file a 1040 or is there a form or forms they can file in lieu of the 1040 to be sure the IRS isn't going to come after them years later?
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People have been doing this since 1933 (actually, this has been an issue since the civil war), most of the time, they would just exchange the FRNs for US Bank Notes, but that changed in 1977.

Now, the FRN serves as US Bank notes and the Bank does an accounting of all Lawful money transactions.

As for the IRS, one could file for a full refund or, after a year of redeeming lawful money, do a ZERO withholding on the employers W-4.

Then, when you file a 1040, you simply have ZERO taxable income, but you must redeem lawful money for a full year before doing that.

The IRS has the right to contact you and you must provide your proof that you have been redeeming lawful money with your demands.

As for direct deposit, change your signature card as directed above, or send a notarized letter to your bank that all withdrawals or deposits on account XXXXXX-XXXXXX
are for credit on account or exchanged for lawful money in the form of Non-negotiable Federal Reserve Notes of face value.

Send it Registered mail to your bank.
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If you list ZERO WITHHOLDING on your W-4, your employer will come back to you and ask for documentation to prove that you're eligible. That new law took effect this year.
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This is an opinion piece...(can't get into trouble for stating an opinion, but you sure can draw attention if you give people legal advice or financial advice or medical advice, etc...without a license...so this is for entertainment purposes only, and only an opinion. This is a public forum, people have a right to not know things and not be confused about things. Remember the disclaimer for this site, do not believe anything you read here. Find some humor in it if you can.


If what you say is true, then "it's about time!"
I've listed zero and all kinds of things, but I finally heard an audio that said to 'redo the W-4' and put on it, "Demand is made for payment in lawful money per 12 USC 411" So I did last year on my W-4.
All prior W-4's were met with some e-mail from payroll about not being able to process it, even the zero one.

But this one didn't have any response. I figured, "Finally"
Now I will do it again, this year and add the 'zero' with holding.

I read a document that said paying taxes is voluntary. I also read that they use the word 'label' on their 1040 form to 'trick' you into stating that you want to pay taxes as if it was part of your 'will' or something.

I can't state it properly since I don't give tax advice, but the word Label is on there two times. One is to affix a label if you got a booklet in the mail, and the other was a word Label that was inside the 'bigger box' that would encompass the entire document including your signature, and that Label was like a codicil, a paper affixed to a will to determine your intentions.

I know if you modify the I swear under penalty of perjury line they will come back and call the filing frivolous and try to put a fine or something.

So many tricks as you try to pierce the veil of the IRS. Oh and they send things to you calling you 'taxpayer' and 'persons' and 'individuals'. Those definitions have to be rebutted. An unrebutted statement is truth in contracts. So you have to make sure you are not 'labeled' by them as anything that is a 'person' or by definition is a 'person'.

A good law dictionary is important.

That's why legally when they call you a Defendant, it rolls back to the definition of a 'person'. We are more than a 'person'. See the link I put in a page or two back. They are referring to the ALL CAPS name and don't want to admit it.

We are alive, allodial, corporeal, just like someone is a Dr., PHD, esquire. There are people who sign documents and state their 'capacity' for signing.

Xxx Yyy Zzzz, President
Aaa Bbb Ccc, Assitant Vice President

Myy Signature, life, allodial, corporeal

Life is protected by their constitution.
The reason the rights have been taken away from the people,
in my opinion, is that there are 'no people'.

Everyone was turned into 'persons and individuals'. There is not a constitution or other document that identifies the rights of 'persons or individuals'.

People = state.

You can't have a state without the People.
By legal definition State is defined as people.

You must correct their definition of you. They've used our lack of action when they label us names that aren't true, to move against us in a lot of ways.

Persons can be treated any kind of way, because by definition they aren't 'alive'. They are just a name. No soul, no spirit, no affinity in the 1st degree (the spirit in me is the same spirit in you). Persons have nothing, they are dead.

You must realize this is bigger than just not paying taxes. You must reach out to learn definitions, and how easy it is to get into a verbal contract, a gesture contract (shaking your head yes or no, shaking hands, passing documents when a stranger with a badge and gun says 'give me your papers'.)
The video camera is not just to see if they beat the 'crap' out of you..it's to see if you 'recognize their authority' and if you created a contract by gesture by agreeing they had authority over you when they stopped you, or by agreeing you committed a crime when they stated a 'charge' against you as a reason for the stop. It's deeper, but a public forum is not the place to teach the lessons.

You will have to just poke and probe and the information will come your way.

I've found the remedy outside of UCC fiings. I tried that route and it felt like I had a bullseye on me, but others it works well. I wonder if they had expatriated by service in the military and that document works for them. It's a copyrighted document, so get permission before using it, and put the statement of permission on the bottom if you use, it. I could not get that to work.

The system challenged me and I found another way to show I 'knew who I was', that I wanted to 'govern myself instead of being governed'. I walk the talk. I would cause no harm to another. I recognize the Creator within. I know all comes from a single source. I know all is One even if it seems separate.

There's so much...but what's posted here so far, seems all over the place, but put the pieces on a shelf, and as you learn, the pieces will come together for your picture that will lift the veil.

But you will have to 'encounter the agents', just like Neo did in the Matrix. That's part of the process of learning your freedom and keeping it.

I'm not a bible thumper, but I believe a lot of the people who worked the actions in the bible, had some encounter with the legal system of that time and used what they knew about being on the inside to help the people keep their freedom on the outside.
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Nice of you to drop in. Dark Zen. Enjoy. rken
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Nice post makme. thanks for taking the time to share. rken
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That email from Eric WhoRU is very good. I reposted it in a few other places. Long live Eric.peace
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That email from Eric WhoRU is very good. I reposted it in a few other places. Long live Eric.peace
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Yes I picked it up on a thread and thought it appropriate to share here. rken
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FINALLY! Filed the Article III case today! Served the other 'party', waiting for the 'judge' to dismiss (offer to dismiss) so I can refuse it.

Then, DEFAULT Judgement!

The Clerk of the court was awesome had no issues and made the filing easy and uncomplicated. All handled and paid for with redeemed lawful money.

I Will keep everyone updated.
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FINALLY! Filed the Article III case today! Served the other 'party', waiting for the 'judge' to dismiss (offer to dismiss) so I can refuse it.

Then, DEFAULT Judgement!

The Clerk of the court was awesome had no issues and made the filing easy and uncomplicated. All handled and paid for with redeemed lawful money.

I Will keep everyone updated.
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Opinion piece...opinions are worth......

Thanks for the update. This is a great thread you started.
I read the Eric WhoRU letter...nice! I'm sure he doesn't mind sharing the information. The more who can get out through the underground railroad, the better the rest will find they are free as a result of the first Ones effort to 'find the way and show the way'.

That link I posted on the previous page had a link within. I would say after reading Eric WhoRU,and seeing you have a case, this is a good entertainment value.

Around page 13, in a web browser 'print preview' gets to the POINT, of the understanding of this thread.

There is strength in operating in 'lawful money'. I just got 'dollar coins' from the bank. I listen to the teller make the 'offer' "How would you like your money?" and people shrug and say, I don't care, or give me so many 10's and 20's, etc. Since I write on the check, and the deposit slip, the demand for lawful money, I tell her how many 'dollar coins' I want in this visit.
I know the checks/deposit slips were normally securitized before I started demanding lawful money, and there is more that I do, but I do like spending US Mint currency. They have to go to the vault to retrieve dollar coins. Isn't that interesting that coins are stored in a vault.

I heard a talkshoe (hearsay) where a woman said (my brothers cousin sister uncle kind of stuff), anyway she said a man purchased a home and wrote on the instruments before him the demand for payment in lawful money. It got filed in the county, and he hasn't been required to pay property taxes. I don't know how long ago it was that he bought the home, and if payment of taxes was part of his down payment or beginning escrow. So it's really hearsay, not worth the words I used to type it. If there is some truth, he'll have to be on GLP or someone would have to provide a testimony. I would not make any decisions based upon hearsay or opinions. I suggest people do their own legwork and learn what they can. Truth is stranger than fiction.

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FINALLY! Filed the Article III case today! Served the other 'party', waiting for the 'judge' to dismiss (offer to dismiss) so I can refuse it.

Then, DEFAULT Judgement!

The Clerk of the court was awesome had no issues and made the filing easy and uncomplicated. All handled and paid for with redeemed lawful money.

I Will keep everyone updated.
 Quoting: 708 692708


Opinion piece...opinions are worth......

Thanks for the update. This is a great thread you started.
I read the Eric WhoRU letter...nice! I'm sure he doesn't mind sharing the information. The more who can get out through the underground railroad, the better the rest will find they are free as a result of the first Ones effort to 'find the way and show the way'.

That link I posted on the previous page had a link within. I would say after reading Eric WhoRU,and seeing you have a case, this is a good entertainment value.

Around page 13, in a web browser 'print preview' gets to the POINT, of the understanding of this thread.

There is strength in operating in 'lawful money'. I just got 'dollar coins' from the bank. I listen to the teller make the 'offer' "How would you like your money?" and people shrug and say, I don't care, or give me so many 10's and 20's, etc. Since I write on the check, and the deposit slip, the demand for lawful money, I tell her how many 'dollar coins' I want in this visit.
I know the checks/deposit slips were normally securitized before I started demanding lawful money, and there is more that I do, but I do like spending US Mint currency. They have to go to the vault to retrieve dollar coins. Isn't that interesting that coins are stored in a vault.

I heard a talkshoe (hearsay) where a woman said (my brothers cousin sister uncle kind of stuff), anyway she said a man purchased a home and wrote on the instruments before him the demand for payment in lawful money. It got filed in the county, and he hasn't been required to pay property taxes. I don't know how long ago it was that he bought the home, and if payment of taxes was part of his down payment or beginning escrow. So it's really hearsay, not worth the words I used to type it. If there is some truth, he'll have to be on GLP or someone would have to provide a testimony. I would not make any decisions based upon hearsay or opinions. I suggest people do their own legwork and learn what they can. Truth is stranger than fiction.

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When my case is done (default) I will post the case number since it is public record. Just so there is no confusion, I am not the OP, just one of the people who redeems lawful money and is a peaceful cohabitant with the United States of America a Constitutional Republic of States.
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Way to go my friend. Looking forward to hearing about how your case goes. rken
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IRS bulletin May 9, 2011

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Page 1
Proposed regulations under section 108(a) of the Code relate
to the exclusion from gross income of discharge of indebtedness
income of a grantor trust or an entity that is disregarded
as an entity separate from its owner. The regulations provide
rules regarding the term “taxpayer” for purposes of applying
section 108 to discharge of indebtedness income of a grantor
trust or a disregarded entity.

Page 31 lots to read
Proposed Amendments to the Regulations

Accordingly, 26 CFR Part 1 is proposed to be amended as follows:

PART 1—INCOME TAXES

(Skipping to definitions)

(c) Definitions—(1) Disregarded entities.
For purposes of this section, a disregarded entity is an entity that is disregarded as an entity separate from its
owner for Federal income tax purposes.

Examples of disregarded entities include a domestic single member limited liability company that does not elect to be
classified as a corporation for Federal income tax purposes, a corporation that is a qualified REIT subsidiary (within the meaning of section 856(i)(2)), and a corporation
that is a qualified subchapter S subsidiary (within the meaning of section 1361(b)(3)(B)).

(skipping some more)

(3) Owner. Notwithstanding any other provision of this section to the contrary, neither a grantor trust nor a disregarded entity shall be considered an owner for purposes of this section.


In my opinion, they are notorious for putting the information in their documents, giving one example of what their definition means using the words (Examples of) when there are more examples that will fit, and moving definitions around in the documents so as to confuse someone into thinking one thing, when if they'd just dig in the document they'll find out it is fully stated in other sections.

My opinion also includes the observation that there is no intent to ever be straightforward, and it seems to me that someone has realized they can't keep throwing the 'frivolous filing' accusations and fines on people if there indeed is a 'disregarded entity' that does not agreed to be classified as a corporation for Federal income tax purposes.

I'm no tax expert, so take anything posted with a grain of salt, and feel free to read the source. The source is the best place to go for the 'original' information, anyway.

If this was released on the 9th, they probably have their computers still spitting out frivolous filing letters after this bulletin was sent, in my opinion. In my opinion, they probably send out the bulletin and then make changes in the areas affected by whatever the bulletin is giving notice of.


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Rken,

Sooo glad you changed the title of this thread! I think it should drive more folks to it, so,

Demand is made for a bump :-)
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Way to go my friend. Looking forward to hearing about how your case goes. rken
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Amigo, I can tell you, the filing went much easier than yours did. No issues with my Clerk at all, just help and answers if for any questions I had. I was not in the office for more than 15 min.

Waiting now to see if the Judge offers to dismiss the MY CASE in MY COURT, then refusal for cause time.

The countdown begins...
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Rken,

Sooo glad you changed the title of this thread! I think it should drive more folks to it, so,

Demand is made for a bump :-)
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I second that demand for BUMP!

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708...no offense, but I have never met a cop who had an IQ of more than 2 digits.

how the hell did you come u with all this info?

Seriously. cops are the scum of the earth, and that's being kind
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so almost 50,000 views and 200 5 star votes and this thread hasn't been pinned????


you can see clearly from this the caliber of the mods and administrators of glp. they pin all kinds of worthless shit, stupid videos and other garbage and ignore what is likely one of the all time most important threads.

just like the federal government and lamestream media.

take the blue pill, mods
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Met a department of homeland security employee yesterday. He was very open and we had a nice talk. I didn't have tome to get into this topic, maybe next time. He was actually conservative. He'd been in Iowa for the flooding. I can't wait to talk about endorsing checks. Sometimes things don't look too bad.

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Dear Moderators,

I will gladly send you some lawful money if you PIN this thread, you know it deserves a PIN. Wouldn't you like some shiny new lawful money?
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You can't have a state without the People.
By legal definition State is defined as people.


State is defined by government according to legal dictionaries.
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Federal prisons are and have been full of people who listened to this kind of BS
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Federal prisons are and have been full of people who listened to this kind of BS
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Without a link I call BS. There is no way you can prove a non-endorsement landed anyone in Fed. prison. Go back to sleep.
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708...no offense, but I have never met a cop who had an IQ of more than 2 digits.

how the hell did you come u with all this info?

Seriously. cops are the scum of the earth, and that's being kind
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That is why I am not a cop any more.
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Federal prisons are and have been full of people who listened to this kind of BS
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Then you should have no problem finding ONE (1) case that has ever been filed or won by the IRS against anyone demanding redemption for lawful money per 12-USC 411.

Even a County or State case would be fine.
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Federal prisons are and have been full of people who listened to this kind of BS
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I will save you some time, here is the latest from the IRS directly:

[link to www.irs.gov]

Please, show me from the IRS documents and publications.

And, Federal Prisons are not, nor ever have been "full of people" for tax reasons.

BTW, since I am requiring you to back your claims, I will now back MINE about how many people are actually convicted of your "prison filling" by the IRS:

"It is a crime to cheat on your taxes. In a recent year, however, fewer than 2,000 people were convicted of tax crimes —0.0022% of all taxpayers. This number is astonishingly small, taking into account that the IRS estimates that 15.5% of us are not complying with the tax laws in some way or another. The number of convictions for tax crimes has increased less than 1% over the most recent five-year period.

The point is that the statistical likelihood of your being convicted of a tax crime is almost nil."
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Good information here:
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Good information here:
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Nice summery. Thanks for posting it. rken
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Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
You can't have a state without the People.
By legal definition State is defined as people.


State is defined by government according to legal dictionaries.
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I have a Black's Law 5th Edition.

I'm sure when I look up the Definition of 'state' it doesn't say - defined by government.

With all due respect.





GLP