Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

Hi , if you are under 35 years old please stop voting as that is the only way people in Washington have any authority over you ...

If everyone stopped then the senate and house could only operate in Washington DC over their federal employees... (art1,sec8,cl17-18)


Only vote in your local elections .... Expose the attorneys in your area who are running.

All judges are attorneys, all senators and house member are mostly attorneys ...

Stop Voting they have no more power ...

They obtained power by your registering to vote .....

they gravitate toward office because they are power hungry ...

they are all attornies ... to attorn is to give property form one lord over to another ...

Is their a national debt ? Would those attorneys be handing ove ryour wealth to other lords ?

How many people in your life have you met that are POWER hungry ... prolly not as many as you have seen voted in ..

How is it that they are NOT power hungry men ?

Take your power back STOP VOTING, be yourself, make YOUR OWN DECISIONS


DO NOT ENDORSE THE PRIVATE CREDIT OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE

Yeah, try this bullshit and see how it works out for you. Hope you have someone to visit you in jail...

I was a Banker (reformed), so I know all about this shit, British Maritime Law, the Fed, etc., the problem is, the judges you will be appearing in front of have no clue what the fuck you are talking about when you bring this shit up, and they will throw your ass UNDER THE JAIL!!!

Not saying it's legal, just saying that's the way it is...

The only way a tax protest would ever work in this country is if you could get Millions of people to go along with it, and stay organized...and I do mean millions, not thousands, not tens of thousands, not hundreds of thousands...

Too few and they'll just throw everybody in jail!!!

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Fear Fear Blah Blah ..

"If I were to send you a letter, what Name would I send it to?" ~ A friendly officer trying to arraign me ....

the words 'tax protest' in your comment gave you away to alot of people .... cause regular folk don't talk like that

oh yeah i don't got to edit my posts ...

Not true at all...

The judges know fully how the system operates...

In commonwealth countres, the emblem behind the judge is a Lion and Unicorn... This signifies the dual nature of currency...Public and private...

BTW - No one should ever protest the tax... TAX is an acronym for T-cell Atomic Crosover... You want this to occur, it is what allows you to order up public funds...

Take a look at your next credit card statement - does it not say - pay by cheque or money order...

What do you think the are telling you???

Why, exactly, would anyone demanding lawful money have to "appear" in their courts?

You clearly did not read the thread because the whole illusion of their private courts has been covered in depth.

As for you being a reformed banker, what did you do, give all their money back to them and now you live as a bum?

I would bet my last lawful dollar you are still reaping the benefits of you crimes and using their fiat money and fractional reserve system.

YOU are the one that belongs in prison for the crimes you have committed, not the people who are seeking remedy for the plague of fiat fractional reserve bankers like you. Enjoy the spoils of your crimes, traitor.

We all know Ron Paul doesnt get the attention he deserves. The media more or less presents us the 2 candidates we "should" vote for. Im confident if more americans just had the chance to hear Ron Paul speak or hear his ideas and what he represents they would jump on the Ron Paul freedom train. Im happy to present right here a chance for this to happen here is a link to a petition to let Ron Paul speak at thr Republican national convention like he should have been able to in the first place. As most of you know he was scheduled to speak and hen the GOP told him the only way he could give a speech is if he fully endorsed mitt romney after his speech and he wouldnt do it so he couldnt speak therefore he wasnt allowed to spread his message to more people than ever because of the GOP trying to make him give up and endorse romney. Here is the link please sign the petition before its too late pass this on to all people you know we only need a little over 2 thousand more signatures. [link to www.change.org]

made a "Special deposit of lawful money. Demand made per 12-USC 411" today of some "pay to_____" checks.

If anyone is having issues dealing with ignorant bank tellers or managers, just deposit the checks in the automatic teller machine (drive through or in the bank). Been trying this out for about a year with no issues.

Even did some 2 party checks that way with restricted endorsements, no issues, no questions from tellers, no strange looks or tellers running to a manager.

There is no need to wait for anyone to do anything. This nation has had Gold backed money for more than 200 years, before the Federal Reserve, before (and after) the Greenback of the Civil War and it still has it today. Ron Paul should be teaching people about 12-USC 411 demands.

People voting FOR the Federal reserve with their endorsements on bank transactions then complaining about it being corrupt is just ignorant.

Late shift bumpage.

to take us through the night

12USC411 says the federal reserve notes must be redeemed at the Treasury, Washington DC or any FEDERAL RESERVE BANK.

The FRB's are the 12 district banks, not the local commercial joint...operating under LICENSE.

I think the concept is correct, but the execution is wrong.

McDonald's corporate headquarters is near Chicago Illinois. If I contract with this business (buy or sell something) I cannot go to the local franchise and present them with an invoice expecting payment. The obligations transacted by the parent corporation do not flow through to the licensee.

If one wants to enjoy the "benefits" of private credit, or a tasty burger, the banks or local drive thru's are there for your convenience.

If one has an issue with the corporate master, it must be taken up directly, or with an authorized agent of the corporation, not its franchisee.

otherwise, good info. However, getting something 95% correct is akin to being a little pregnant.

What is the difference between "pay to" and "pay to the order of"?

Ac if you read the whole law, you would see that the only authorized use of FRN's is by federal reserve banks and their agents. That makes any bank handling frn's part of the federal reserve system as well as you if you are handling FRN's. So you local bank is operating as a federal reserve bank. And as they say the proof is in the pudding. People redeeming FRN's at their local banks are getting tax refunds where none would have been before. Get it, good. sk

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That sending cash by mail is stupid?

Under law, AGENCY cannot be casual or implied. One can't ACCIDENTALLY be anothers AGENT.

Do you understand what an AGENT is? It is a person or corporation who is able to LEGALLY BIND a PRINCIPAL, and make that principal LIABLE to an unrelated third party. In other words, an AGENT can make legally binding contracts on behalf of the PRINCIPAL as if the PRINCIPAL ITSELF had signed the contract.

So you are saying that by CASUAL USE of federal reserve notes, you (the user) AUTOMATICALLY become the AGENT of the federal reserve, and as such, YOU (the user) may legally BIND the fed contractually to a deal with an unrelated third party...acting as its agent?

And your proof of this is that some UNIDENTIFIED PEOPLE, somewhere, got a refund they otherwise would not have received?

YOU CALL THAT PROOF?

That is specious reasoning, or pure BS, and it is a fools game to participate. Would you propose that people use that argument as a legal defense?

If you are an AGENT of the fed, and may legally BIND the fed contractually, why not go exercise that awesome new authority and sign a contract on their behalf.

I have already discounted the franchisee aspect, so where do you go now?

YOU are not an agent OR a franchisee of the fed. You are gulliver, bound by a billion silk threads carefully laid over centuries which have bound and stripped you of your vitality and livelihood. Thinking that this will all be undone with a rubber stamp and some purdy words is nonsense.

OK Seeker, here is the WHOLE law. Go ahead and highlight where YOUR assertions (which I have highlighted for your convenience) can be found in the LAW. As one man once said..PUT MY FINGER ON THE LAW!

12USC411

Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.


My interpretation of the wording is that this ACT recognizes a SECOND, lawful NATIONAL CURRENCY co-exists...which of course it does...the US NOTE...and that the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE exists for use only within a sterile corridor of commerce, and only cross-flows into the government arena to be accepted in payment for taxes, customs and PUBLIC (as opposed to private) dues.

you clearly have NOT read and/or understood this thread.

The US Note you are seeking is already on the FACE of every FRN issued today above the 1 and 2 dollar denomination.

THERE ARE 2 NOTES there!!!!

Why is this simple concept so hard to grasp for people? A BOX is a separate thing on any printed page, legally and lawfully and always has been. A BOARDER drawn around something on a NOTE makes is separate.

On the newer issued notes, the "FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE" title is clearly printed on the FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE located to the left of the big dead guy on the face. The TITLE of the United States NOTE is clearly on the NOTE to the left of the big dead guys image on the face.

GET IT? Is that simple enough for you?

The NOTES you are so desperate to find "at the Federal Reserve Banks" are already IN YOUR POCKET!

It is the DEMAND, recorded on every bank transaction that NOTICES THEM of your demand per 12-USC-411.

Read the above again until it sinks in, cause you are not getting it.

to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized.

This to me says that anyone handling frn's is either an agent or a bank. Since most people and banks handle frn's that makes the banks part of the fed and you can redeem your frn's their and this relieve yourself also the contractual obligations of being a federal reserve agent and bond by their rules, ie laws. But just remember you are volunteering to use the frn's and this it makes the tax you pay for using private money voluntary, just as they claim. sk

Without getting into the legal definitions of what boxes and borders do or don't represent in the law, I have studied the $10 bill relative to your points.

First, the HEADER, above the box clearly states:
FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE. This runs the entire width of the note. If this were a dual note, then WHY does US NOTE not appear over that half of the note? I do not see US NOTE anywhere on the bill...and clearly if the dual bill concept were correct, this would be MANDATORY under the auspices of CONTRACT LAW, which requires full and complete disclosure to be binding.

There are dual seals, which makes logical sense. The NOTE is being issued under the authority of the federal reserve, under the delegated power from congress via the fed act of 1913. Thus, the fed seal represents the issuing authority and the us treasury confirming its authenticity as guaranteeing party (under 12usc411). The two serial numbers appear in proximity to both seals as both parties are issuers...the us in the sense that the taxpayers are responsible for their repayment.

The signatures on BOTH sides are of the treasurer and secretary treasurer of the UNITED STATES because they are the cosigners or ultimate guarantors of the debt.

Under your theory, why does the FED side of the bill not have the signature of the FED chairman...?

Check and MATE.

If you bothered to read about the history of the US NOTE, you will see that it is still technically in circulation...or available for circulation but is not because...in the words of the treasury...they are not "needed" since the functions are essentially the same and already served by FRN's. Note the use of the word ESSENTIALLY.

Thus there are at LEAST two methods of redemption available for the FRN. One being minted coins up to the dollar denomination and two, separately printed and held US NOTES, of which there are 300 million in storage.

Since the US notes are still defined by gold and silver standard amounts, their issuance is limited to the number available based on gold and silver governmental holdings. Thus the US note currency is INELASTIC. Note that the fact the US notes are no longer redeemable for physical gold and silver is irrelevant to this point.

There are two distinct currencies, the FRN (elastic) and the US NOTE (inelastic). Converting BACK to the US NOTE STOPS all the financial hijinks that take place with the FRN..caused, as you have stated, by the PLEDGING of citizens labor to MAKE GOOD the elastic expansion of the money supply.

HOWEVER, as you can imagine, the conversion process is one of REDEMPTION and an AFFIRMATIVE ACT by the holder. As I argued earlier, the REDEMPTION PROCESS is a PHYSICAL CONVERSION and is done at a PHYSICAL LOCATION.

You do not mentally conjure up this transformation...one would physically offer up their elastic FRNs for US NOTES at the PHYSICAL LOCATIONS noted in 12USC411.

708, I recognize that you are invested in your position and reluctant to change. Be aware that we are all growing and learning here and no one expects you to have all of the answers. I have learned much from your postings and credit you for starting me down this path in the first place.

Read the legal definition of AGENT. It is clear that the assigning of AGENCY is an AFFIRMATIVE ACT, not a casual happening.

You could make anyone your AGENT by giving them your checkbook or cash and telling them to go buy you a house or car.

If they buy you a piece of shit or ramshackle house, who is to blame? What recourse would you have?

AGENCY typically is done in writing with the parameters clearly spelled out. SHow me where that is done relative to your point...saying "this to me says"...does not cut it as an argument.

Mine in RED above. You have no solution, nor do you offer any proof you can get the red sealed notes BECAUSE YOU CANT.

I have known personally people who have gone to FED main banks and asked for redemption, they got sent to a public bank. WHY? Because the DAMAND is what is key here, not FIAT paper currency, even with RED SEALS.

Not reluctant to change, I just have no reason to believe you know what you are talking about, since you have NO US Notes, and you clearly do not "get it".

More sovereign citizen gobbledegook. OP, I remember you from the infamous "Governors of All 50 States" thread a couple years back. Still peddling your bullshit, I see.

Caveat emptor. Trying any of this stuff in real life will get you into loads of legal trouble because it's illegal.

Tim Turner should be proof enough of that.

21st centiury snake oil salesman.

Obeying the law is "illegal"? Thats a rich one!! What are you selling besides the same ol "ya goin ta jaol iffin ya stand up ta maaaaaaan."

You are a coward.

Back to the old standby fear mongering. BE AFRAID! THE GODS OF GOVERNMENT RULE ALL.

Thanks for all the bumps, and for the record, I am not the OP of this thread.

Couple of years back? Why am I not in prison then? What is your god waiting for?

Where is your Grand Wizard to strike down the INFIDEL?

Here we are, "years" later, Tim is nowhere to be found, but here I am, still redeeming lawful money, demanding your gods PROVE their power over me and defying their majik "spelling" and cult at every turn.

Don't be a hater, just go away, cause you are, like most cowards, all talk and hot air.

As I suggested before, the proof is in the pudding. Many are and used this method to get full refunds of all taxes paid and not have to pay taxes on their sweat equity. So I would say the at least the IRS is treating redeemed lawful money differently that FRN's. The physical note is just a piece of paper. It is you who define it, and give it value or not. In the same way you redeem frn's on demand. It is the demand that counts. So argue all you want my eyes have seen the paper work from the IRS and people redeeming lawful money that supports the fact and act of redeeming FRN's relieve one of the income tax burden.

So in following a law, and interpreting the way in which I do seems to be working for hundreds. Could there be another explanation as to why it works, Yes, but I have yet to see or hear of it. sk

PS in regards to 50 states and prior threads. We all change and grow, so please just let it go and allow me to be who I'm in present time. Thanks. sk