Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

This is the law, title 12 IS the Federal Reserve Act, how exactly would someone go to jail for obeying the law? The short answer is no.

How long have people been doing this in estimation? Have you been getting hassled by federal agencies in anyway?

What do you think of the Green Hilton Agreement? JFK and Pres Soekarno.

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Appointed January 20, 1995 by the Governments of the World to Act as Sole Arbiter, Owner and Controller of The International Collateral Combined Accounts of the Global Debt Facility.

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Elected by those qualified to elect under the existing International Agreements in accordance with the Articles of the Bank for International Settlements (January 20, 1930), on January 20, 1995, Dr. Dam was elected and appointed by the International Community as the Sole Arbiter of all those assets that form the Collateral of International Combined in conformance to that agreed and assented to by the forefathers of that community of nations whose Central Banks are connected to (or were at that time connected to) The Bank for International Settlements.

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The Bretton Woods Agreement (New Hampshire 1944)
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The B.I.S. Agreement with the Allies (Bern 1948)
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The Schweitzer Convention (Innsbruck, 1968)
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The Amendments to the Foreign Gold Act (Washington, 1972)

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Your not that good at fishing

If this money system collapses would this redemption matter?

Keeping what I earn NOW matters. Not creating more debt and not trading with the enemy matters to me.

The system will collapse with or without me but that does not mean I do not want lawful money and to be redeemed from the Federal Reserve debt scam right now.

Thanks

It's April 15th how many of you GLPers redeemed for lawful money?

Did not file because nothing was withheld. EXEMPT

Thanks for the reply, but I know I'm not subject to their purported taxes for other, simpler, reasons.

I agree that asking for certified letter from them would afford one legal recourse though I'm skeptical you've been doing it for as long as you say you have.

As for the other remedies I spoke of this wouldn't be the best forum for discussing such a subject. Besides, there's no point in trying to repeat here what's already been hashed out on other sites that specialize in legal subjects. I didn't pursue the matter because it really isn't a remedy to our problems.

Someone here has the right idea.

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Are you advocating not filing?

How did I stumble across this nonsense

I advocate doing what you believe applies to you. I am not a taxpayer. Their purported "codes" don't apply to me unless I consent. Yes, it is that simple--so simple that it is elusive to most people and so contrary to what they believe. They(tm) have indemnified us though it's not openly taught. This is a subject too involved to delve into in a short post and there are other sites that already discuss such subjects. As for taxes and "law" in general I'll copy below one of my posts from another site:
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If one looks at alcohol, tobacco & firearms tax legislation, for example, it's clear as to what's taxable, who's liable to pay and what the "tripwires" are that cause one to incur a liability.

However, when one looks at the numerous pages worth of income tax legislation it suddenly becomes a convoluted mess. This is NOT an accident and the reason is simple: it was never intended to makes sense, that is to say, there is nothing there to figure out. That whole system is something that I figured out a while back, something that an attorney with 30+ years of experience admitted to me and a friend, namely that the whole thing is simply a belief system.

Simply, you are obligated to pay if you believe you are. Are you a "taxpayer?" Is that legal verbiage that some stranger wrote binding upon you? If you answer in the affirmative then your path has already been laid out for you: shut up and pay up. Even more than one IRS Commissioner has stated the system is "based upon voluntary compliance."

In short, it's a legal troll. They spew bullshit to see if people will bite. The various tax forms one might fill out, one's interactions with the various taxing entities & courts are designed to divine your state of mind and reflect that back to you. If by your words and action you indicate you believe their crap is binding upon you, that you are a person that must be taxed, well then they'll run with that & enforce the tax "laws" against you.

The whole system is fueled by our consent and we consent to their bullshit so many times a day and we don't even realize it, nor do they want us to for if we did we just might choose to no longer participate and then what would they do?

They'd probably have to get real jobs and actually do something constructive.

I can confirm the 72 hour Regulation Z issue. A few years ago a friend's automobile was issued a parking ticket. I suggested he return it to the guy acting as Officer So-and-So stating he's returning the ticket within the Regulation Z 72-hour window. I saw the letter the police department's management sent him wherein it stated after reviewing the matter they decided to withdraw the ticket. One interesting thing about the ticket is that it stated on the rear that if one were to pay the ticket within 72 hours they'd reduce the face value by a third. I think they make that offer because until 72 hours pass there is no obligation.

Dealing with such nuisances is even simpler. This same friend's automobile a few months ago got another parking ticket. Those tickets state one may request a telephonic hearing. I suggested he schedule a hearing and try telling whoever he'd speak to that he doesn't consent to being identified by that name, that he neither owns the name nor had any hand in its creation and that said name, per the public record, is property of the State's Vital Records Office. Therefore if they had an issue regarding that name to take it up with said Office. He's already had a 100% success rate using Marc Stevens' questions so we figured if thought he wasn't getting any traction with my tactic to fall back to using Marc's tactics. He later reported that when telling the 2nd lady he spoke with that he didn't consent, she dropped the proverbial bomb telling him "you don't understand how this works. You have to consent otherwise we cannot bill you." She probably didn't realize the gravity of what she said. Anyhow, she told him they weren't going to pursue the matter.

Take this for what you will but consider the possibility that dealing with these pirates may be as simple as telling them you don't consent.

In the interest of full disclosure I haven't had the pleasure of trying this myself as I haven't been presented with a ticket for almost 10 years now.

Identity is the only issue that matters for unless you can resolve that issue in their favor they cannot proceed against you. As Rice McLeod likes to ask, who are you?

I argued with 708 a year or so back because I contend that in order to redeem under 12usc411 one MUST follow the letter of the law EXACTLY.

708 does not agree, and cannot back up his assertions with actual law.

The essential points are these:

1) If you wish to redeem, the law is clear that there must be a physical presentment at the FED bank or Treasury in Washington DC. 708 is DEAD WRONG on this matter

2) A commercial bank is NOT the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK in terms of redemption any more than your local mcdonalds franchise is the same as mcdonalds corporate headquarters in oakbrook illinois usa. Both are separate legal entities. Attempting to redeem currency at a commercial bank is not allowed under 12usc411.

I have documented this previously for those wishing to read the actual proof of the law.

708 points to lack of prosecution as PROOF that he is correct, which is something only a drooling idiot would accept.

For a further demonstration, look at the Supreme COurt case posted earlier in this thread:

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Note that these folks actually presented at the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK and TREASURY. While neither redeemed, the treasury did provide "remedy" by directing the plaintiffs to an authorized distributor of the us mint. So apparently others read the redemption law as I do.

I believe the remedy to redemption would be to redeem FRN's for us mint coins ($1 denomination) because it is a 1:1 redemption and avoids the messy issues relating to metal values.

Another remedy to avoid opting-in would be to demand payment for ones goods and services in us mint coinage thus making the entire question or redemption meaningless.

Postal money orders are another avenue offering one a way to transact ones financial affairs while avoiding the use of private credit.

IN short, 708 is one of those characters who has 98% of the story correct, but the remaining 2% renders the "advice" very dangerous.

Proceed with caution and do your own due diligence

I did not "argue" I pointed out that redemption has been going on since before this nation even existed. And in every single redemption it took place at LOCAL BANKS. That anyone would have to go one of 12 FED banks to redeem every paycheck is lunacy.

Also pointed out was that ONLY Federal reserve agents are allowed to redeem notes at the 12 FED banks.

Next, the idea that using Postal money orders somehow meets 12 USC 411 wording is stupid and proves you are the one not reading 12 USC 411. In short, you are the one who has repeatedly attempted to obscure the remedy spelled out by simple demand for lawful money.

Stop putting words into my posts that are not there and acting like you know what is what. I am still waiting for you to redeem anything AT one of the 12 fed banks. You are a liar if you say you have because know people who have tried and all got the same answer: GO TO YOUR BANK WE DO NOT DO BUSINESS WITH THE PUBLIC.

Feel free to keep bumping the thread, but stop lying about what I have posted.

Bumping cause I want to!

Thanks I'll be very careful of 708s agenda. Hopefully others will heed your advice.

Please follow the other posters agenda and walk into one of the 12 fed banks and demand your redemption. Or walk into the treasury in Washington, that is what 12/411 spells out, so go try it.

Then come back here (after you are escorted out of either place or worse) and tell me who has an "agenda".

actually, if you'd read (which you probably didn't) the thread and actually understood what was being said (even less likely) you would realize that 708 has absolutely no agenda, and has repeatedly told people to do their own research and never to do anything that they aren't comfortable doing.

708 and sk have both provided numerous FIRST-HAND accounts of doing the exact things described in the thread and have shown that they have suffered little recourse (after cleaning up their past, so to speak.)

also, just my personal input here, 708 has provided plenty of information showing how, not only can the public not do anything at the treasury or 12 FED banks, but the history/law itself dictates that the demand is made at any local branch.

I personally haven't started doing anything yet, as I'm still doing my own research. However, since I don't own anything other than my car and I don't have any record of debt, I'm contemplating changing my bank account to a non-interest account, amending my signature card to reflect all business into and out of my account be done in lawful money, and amending my DL, SS & BC to reflect a common-name signature with all rights reserved.

What's the harm in any of these things?

Drive by shill/sock puppet attack!!

You cannot escape the truth of what I have stated in my previous posts. You cannot obfuscate the truth with half-answers and half-truths.

I have not presented at a FED bank or treasury. I have never claimed I had. I simply read 12USC411 LITERALLY as is required BY LAW. It says it...its LAW. The law does not mention commercial banks anywhere in the text.

There are a few youtube clips where others have gone to the FED for redemption without success. I do not argue that general point, however, I would not approach the redemption in that manner.

As the Supreme Court case which I posted a PDF link demonstrates, the plaintiffs in the case DID contact the US mint directly for redemption as required by law. The fact the us mint did not redeem is irrelevant because the law required the plaintiffs to take this affirmative action! They had to do it to press their case forward. It would be illogical for them to sue for relief when they had not exhausted all remedies available to them.

Once the us mint refused to follow the law, the plaintiffs had a grounds for action. It would be the same in the case of the FED banks. Without the effort to redeem per the law, their would be a summary judgement and the case would be dismissed at the outset.

Following this example further, if you were to file an action for a commercial bank to fail to redeem the FED notes with lawful money, the case would be dismissed because 12USC411 does not REQUIRE a private, commercial bank to do so. This is very clear and only an idiot would argue otherwise. Yet 708 and others continue to assert that merely MAKING the request for redemption from a party not required to do so under the law is sufficient to affect redemption.

To carry the absurdity one step further, if the mint and FED refuse to redeem when being required to do so under law, why in the world would a commercial bank do so when they have no duty in law.

That's why one must be very careful. Read the advice and take the truth which exists...but leave the lies behind. It is abundantly clear that the redemption process is made difficult, but not impossible, because almost all americans will take the easy way out at the cost of their hard won liberties.

You are so full of shit I can smell it over the Internet. The demand for redemption is all that is needed.

There is no physical redemption of FRNs for US Notes you blithering idiot. So WHERE your demand is made is only relevant for the recognition of the IRS investigators, that will be at the local bank where your account records are kept.

You are an idiot and you have no interest in this issue since you do not demand lawful money so why don't you keep YOUR lies to yourself, I have shown that redemption must be demanded, on the record and that is ALL THAT IS REQUIRED IN12 USC 411!!

The idea that one must go get different notes directly from the treasury or FED member bank is utter tripe and nonsensical, and as I have pointed out can ONLY BE DONE BY FEDERAL RESERVE AGENTS.

Read 12 USC 411 again, you twit, YOU are the one ignoring the "letter of the law".

Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized.


Read it again mr letter of the law shill. No authorized use for anyone other than federal reserve agents YOU HAVE NO LEGAL AUTHORITY TO REDEEM FRNS AT THE FEDERAL RESEVE NOR THE TREASURY!!

You can only make and record your demand for redemption and free yourself from the obligation to pay the debt the notes represent, dollar for dollar ON DEMAND.

Your walls of text and double speak are deceptions and obstruction of the simple act of recorded demand for redemption. Your forked tongue legal twisting shows your intention is not to protect anyone but the lie that redemption is not obtainable to everyone without some mystical walk through legal fire and weekly trips to one of the 12 member FED banks. I feel your intentions are clear and you are here only to help further the money changers evil scheme of voluntary enslavement of the entire human race.

Sick, twisted, pathetic and a special kind of evil that only people who profit from the deception directly is all I see in your posts.

Tell me what you do for a living?

708, If I recall correctly, you are an ex-cop, or mall cop, or something. Your response is typical of the genre...average IQ's (95-105), closed minded and all about bullying others about with their "rules" and "attitude".

It is curious to me that you completely ignore the RELEVANT portion of 12usc411:

They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.

Notice that your "on demand" is modified by that very important word AT...and then an address is provided.


Further, go take a look at what a FEDERAL RESERVE BANK is. I have provided links many times before but you apparently did not take the time to look for yourself. A FEDERAL RESERVE BANK is not the local CHASE or BOA branch, it is the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK. There are 12 across the country and if you bother to look at a dollar bill, it will show you the name of the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK which issued that particular dollar. I am looking at three right now...one says (G) FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF CHICAGO ILLINOIS...another says (L) FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF SAN FRANCISCO yet another says (K) FEDERAL RESERVE BANK OF DALLAS TEXAS.

Gee, that seems to suggest that the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK had issued/authorized that particular bill, and that 12 USC 411 SEEMS to indicate that one would redeem that particular bill

at the Treasury Department f the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.

I could not find any bill issued by CHASE, BANK OF AMERICA or any other commercial bank in NORTH AMERICA. I Do see what 12 USC 411 clearly states and I know where the TREASURY in WASHINGTON DC is located...and I also know where the 12 FEDERAL RESERVE BANKS, which are PRINTED on my currency are located!

So mall-cop, all my assertions are in BLACK AND WHITE LAW...anyone can read and see it for themselves which would be a requirement of any law.

Also, it is blindingly obvious that the notes ISSUER, or GUARANTOR would be the only place redemption could occur. Why, surprise! That would be the TREASURY and the FEDERAL RESERVE BANK! Go figure.

You should be recognized for clueing in the average dolt as to the reality of the fiat system and of what it is comprised, but roundly criticized for leading the sheep astray in the correct methodology as to the implementation of this truth.

Finally, the fact that the treasury or FED would choose or not choose to redeem per 12 USC 411 is a matter of LAW. In other words, one would have to bring an action in the proper venue holding subject matter jurisdiction to adjudicate the matter with a properly argued case seeking appropriate REMEDY under the LAW. If one does not understand the REAL ISSUE and have the cognitive abilities to frame such an argument, than they are out of luck. Remedy is available to all who hold the keys of knowledge, and, as has been the case throughout history...the iron hammer comes down upon those who do not.

PUT MY FINGER ON THE LAW WHICH SAYS A COMMERCIAL BANK HAS A DUTY TO REDEEM A FEDERAL RESERVE NOTE FOR LAWFUL MONEY.

ADMIT OR DENY THAT A FEDERAL RESERVE BANK IS A DIFFERENT LEGAL ENTITY THAN CHASE OR BANK OF AMERICA. IN OTHER WORDS, IF CHASE COMMITTED AN ACT, COULD THE FEDERAL RESERVE BANK BE HELD LIABLE.

You are one slow learner, 708.