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Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

 
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This thread was over due for the shill.

12 USC has NOT been repealed, the redemption clause for FRNs to be redeemed in lawful money upon demand stands as US law.

If the shill does not like that fact, he should contact his overlords and petition to have the law changed.

Congress had the right to repeal the redemption clause and they still have it, they have not done so. FRNs "shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand".

Twisting post endorsement cases, US note cases and "gold and silver only" cases does nothing but obscure the fact redemption of FRNs for lawful money IS THE LAW.

He can poke, twist, obscure and flat out lie, but it does not change the FACTS.

I plead guilty to the fact: FRNs shall be redeemed on demand and I on and for the record demand it.
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To repeat, there has NEVER been any action taken against anyone demanding lawful money restricted endorsement as outline here.

NEVER. However that does not mean it will not happen, unlike the shill liar who claims it will happen, the fact is, the IRS HAS NEVER TAKEN ANY ACTION ON THIS!!

the shill keeps posting and misrepresenting the facts of other cases to get them to apply and they do NOT.

The redemption in lawful money is right there in black and white. Doing it for ALL bank transactions is not the same as sending in a 50 FRN and demanding redemption I gold and silver, not even close, shill.

Endorsing a naked contract (the back of your paycheck) and cashing it out for FRNs then using those notes as "money" makes them lawful per commercial maritime jurisdiction, FRNs are not lawful money as issued, they are "legal tender".

Nothing is going to be solved on Internet forums, the IRS is the party who will have to make the move to get this question before a Federal court and if they do they are not going to have the dumbass posting here work the case.

I might however, be one who a case is brought against since I do not pay federal or state taxes and have not for 5 years of demanding redemption per 12 USC 411. I have accepted that possibility as an adult, that is life.

Nothing that fool posts here or anywhere else is going to change what I am doing. None of this is going to save anyone from over 100 years of fiat, international banking and the TRILLIONS in debt it has created.

So, in the end why does he care? That is the question!
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Te last report from the IRS is they paid out 5 million FRNs of their bosses precious "legal tender" to people for reporting tax cheats.

I have told many people who disagree with me to make the call to the IRS and report this thread and my "self" and see what happens to the complaint.

This Shill and others have no problem calling this a scam, tax evasion, lunacy, idiotic, opinion, already tried and failed...

He spends hours and days arguing how and why he is right and that someday, I will lose everything and go to prison. Yet he does not call the IRS hotline and report me?

Does that make him and others an accessory to tax crimes? He stands to make "money" from his call AND prove me wrong with just ONE phone call to get it done, yet day after day here he is, on multiple threads yak yak yak.

Make the call and prove you are right and I am wrong, it will consume less of your time than your repeating he same crap day after day, thread after thread.

See something, say some thing, right?

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Shrugs...bye dumb ass. Your argument from ignorance was brilliant. Your prophetic warning of doom will not be heeded. That's what being an adult is all about, making choices and living with the consequences.
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And you, by your own admission, are shilling yet another tax avoidance scheme that the courts have never recognized as valid. Not just a single 'I imagined it, so it has to be true' piece of self justified pseudo-legal babble.

But a string of such nonsense.

You *assume* that Title 12 USC 411 means that you must receive US notes. The law doesn't say this. And the courts have not upheld this.

You *assume* that if you receive US notes, you're immune from taxation. No law nor court has ever said this. Taxes were paid with US Notes when they were the national currency. Taxes were paid when FRNs were the national currency. There's nothing in history, case law or statutory law that backs your claims.

You *assume* that putting a red stamp on the back of your check magically redeems it into US Notes. No law says this. No court has ever recognized this. The US Government doesn't even carry US Notes any longer, having destroyed their stockpile nearly 20 years ago.

Its just you saying it 'must be so'. Which is legally meaningless.

Don't like what I do with my affairs, too bad. The law stands and you are not my attorney nor my tax advisor.
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But the law doesn't say what you're trying to shill.

Show us *anywhere* in the law it says that US Notes have to be offered in redemption for FRNs

You can't. Title 12, USC 411 never even mentions US Notes. Its just you citing yourself.

Show us *anywhere* in the law that says that demanding 'lawful money' makes you exempt from income tax.

You can't. You made the entire thing up, pulled whole from your imagination......citing only yourself.

And you're not the law, buddy. Nor do you have the slightest clue what you're talking about.
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And what I posted is no court has ever heard a case after someone has demanded lawful money via restricted endorsement as on this and other threads.
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Dude, you're admitting that your entire premise has never been recognized by the courts. Show us any court ruling every affirming that FRNs *must* be redeemed in US Notes. You can't. Show us any court ruling that demanding lawful money makes you immune from taxation.

You can't.

The courts have instead contradicted you, upholding the redemptions of FRNs with FRNs under Title 12 USC 411. And found that FRNs are lawful money.

Something you insist could never happen. Once again, your argument is the bug. And reality is the windshield.

No contract, no obligation. And your claim there has never been a case proclaiming lawful money non-taxable is also a lie, one search on the web I found 2 of them.
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Says you, pretending that *you* are a legal authority. You're not. You're just a shill trying to drive up webtraffic to your website by offering us the latest in a series of imagine 'tax avoidance' cons.

Taxation jurisdiction is established geographically. As the USSC makes ridiculously clear:

The power then to lay and collect duties, imposts, and excises may be exercised and must be exercised throughout the United States. Does this term designate the whole, or any particular portion of the American empire? Certainly this question can admit of but one answer. It is the name given to our great republic, which is composed of states and territories.
 Quoting: USSC: Loughbourgh v Blake


YOU say that jurisdiction is established only through contract. Citing your imagination. Neither the law nor the courts recognize this.

The USSC says that jurisdiction is established geographically. Within the United States. Which is the States and territories.

The USSC wins. Your imagination remains legally worthless.

So I ask again, what's the value of a legal argument that isn't recognized by the courts?
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He spends hours and days arguing how and why he is right and that someday, I will lose everything and go to prison. Yet he does not call the IRS hotline and report me?
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Laughing.....quite the bravado from someone going by 'Anonymous Coward'.

You go anonymously. The people you're trying to shilling your latest tax con to have to use their real names.

A con, that by your own admission.....has never been recognized as valid by the courts.

Dude, why do you fucking care so much? It's like you work for the IRS. If it's legal, it's legal. If it's not legal, well you aren't breaking the law, so why do you seem to give a huge shit whether that other dude does or not?
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You're confused. I have no sympathy for the con men leeching money from folks with their latest tax avoidance scheme. Schiff, both Browns, and Hendricksen can rot in prison for all I care.

The problem I have with this nonsense is all the regular folks, the victims of their con....who *also* go to prison. And lose homes. And lose jobs because they bought into pseudo-legal nonsense shilled by these conmen.

You think it was just Benson that went to prison when his 'Law that never was' nonsense collapsed?

Of course not.

You think it was just Hendrickson who went to prison when his 'Cracking the Code' idiocy was predictably revealed to be another tax con?

Of course not.

You think it was just Schiff that went to prison when his tax avoidance cons were revealed?

Of course not.

And the victims of these cons are the people I care about. And the reason I bother to spend the time offering the *actual* case law rather than whatever pseudo-legal babble the shills have imagined. Well that and the fact that like shredding silly conspiracies.
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Still no call the IRS, shill? Still on with your incessant repeating the same lines over and over...

And people are still getting full refunds plus interest from the IRS, defeating account levies and stopping the IRS cold with demand for lawful money per 12 USC 411.

Every single one of the people who the SHILL brings up was an endorser of the FED via banking contracts and naked endorsement of their pay checks.

Call the IRS and report me, actions speak louder than your repeating the same crap lies over and over on GLP.

Do something about it!!

DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411.
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Shill, you are a coward and you got nothing. You really expect anyone to believe in today's world, the IRS could not find me because of "anonymous coward" status on GLP??!??!!

Even from you that is a weak bunch of Crap.

Oh, and I do not buy for one second you give a cold piss about the poor victims of my tax scam.

Your words are meaningless, you will not even make an anonymous call or report to the IRS enforcers to shut me up!!

Weak, very weak.

I have done what I have done, you have posted page after page of the same shit and will DO NOTHING, because you are full of shit and you know nothing will come of it.

Prove me wrong you pathetic SHILL.

DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411.
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My demands are a matter of public record and have been recorded here as well.

Bring it on, Shill, let's see what you and your all mighty government/IRS can do to stop me.

Open invitation, all rights reserved and lawful money demanded.
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[link to savingtosuitorsclub.net]

There is just one example of what is being accomplished, there are others.
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By the way, another LIE told by the shill: I have never received one dollar for explaining lawful money redemption to anyone, in any form.

Nor have I ever paid anything for the information posted here nor have I ever received goods or services of any kind for it.

So his bullshit claim I am scamming people out of money for this is another outright LIE.

Now, how much are YOU getting paid to be here SHILL?

You still refuse to post what you do for your elastic money and overlords at the Federal Government. You claim I am the one scamming people and yet you have not posted what YOU do for your taxable income.

Go back to your den of thieves and whited vessels full of death and decay inside.
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There is just one example of what is being accomplished, there are others.
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The results ^^^^^
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Still no call the IRS, shill? Still on with your incessant repeating the same lines over and over...
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You mean *actual* caselaw instead of just your imagination? Um, yeah.

Still can't cite *any* law that says that demanding lawful money makes you immune to taxation, can you? Still can't show us a single court ruling that says this either, can you?

Its just you, citing yourself.

And if you're so confident in your argument, 'Anonymous Coward', why don't you make the call yourself? You could have your trial. You could prove to the world this vast loophole, and that whatever you make up is the law.

But you don't. Why is that? And while you insist that the folks you're shilling your latest tax con use their real names......you continue to go anonymously.

Which speaks volumes.

And people are still getting full refunds plus interest from the IRS, defeating account levies and stopping the IRS cold with demand for lawful money per 12 USC 411.
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A couple of years back the Lost Horizon's folks said the *exact* same thing. That they had found a 'too-good-to-be-true' loophole. They shilled their website, just like you are now. They tried to drive up advertising revenue....just like you are now.

For a while, anyway. Until the indictments came. Until people started going to prison, losing wages and losing homes.

Just as the Browns did before them. And Schiff did before the Browns. And Benson did before Schiff. But *this* time, its different, huh?

You're like some hapless soul who has jumped from the top of a tall building and insists that he's 'immune to gravity' because he hasn't hit the ground yet.

DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411.
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And get FRNs in return. Just like Mobley Milam did 40 years ago.
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Reporting the same shit over and over does not make it true, AGENT.

Why don't you go to your boss and tell them we are not going to stop and you are just bringing more attention to the thread because you keep bumping it.

Propaganda 101, keep telling the same lie over and over and ignore the facts and results.

Get paid by the word or by the post, SHILL?
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Again folks, people have been doing this for over a decade and never a word of protest nor court action from the IRS.

I have already shown that endorsement is the taxable event. The shill keeps ignoring the FACT 12 USC 411 is standing law. He then claims that because it was written in 1917, it no longer applies today.

He is a liar and he knows it.

There's no way he is not getting paid to be here. Nor has he ever denied it, not that it would matter, lairs lie.
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Reporting the same shit over and over does not make it true, AGENT.
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Laughing...so now I'm an 'agent'. Anyone who doesn't ape your conspiracy must be part of it, eh?

And I'm simply quoting the cases.

Appellant has filed a substantial brief and an adequate reply brief and has argued his full share of allotted time in support for a demand that his $50.00 Federal Reserve Bank Note be redeemed in "lawful money" of the United States, which he says, in effect, must be gold or silver. Appellant refused appellees' tender of an equivalent value in Federal Reserve Notes.
 Quoting: Milam v. US


Milam demanded redemption of FRNs under Title 12 USC 4121. He got FRNs.

You say 'uh-uh'. The court says differently.

Defendant received Federal Reserve Notes when he cashed his pay checks and used those notes to pay his personal expenses. He obtained and used lawful money.
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FRNs are lawful money. You say 'uh-uh'. The courts say differently. Twice.

The world doesn't disappear just because you close your eyes, sunshine.

And in the meantime you've fled *every* time I've asked you to show me the law or court case that says that FRNs must be redeemed in US notes.....you flee.

Everytime I've asked you to show us the law or court cases that says

Keep running.


Get paid by the word or by the post, SHILL?
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Laughing...I debunk your nonsense for free, my friend. The only one selling something here is you....shilling your website, trying to drive up webtraffic in your latest 'too-good-to-be-true' tax con.

And oh, the bitterness you spew when called on your con.
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Again folks, people have been doing this for over a decade and never a word of protest nor court action from the IRS.

I have already shown that endorsement is the taxable event. The shill keeps ignoring the FACT 12 USC 411 is standing law. He then claims that because it was written in 1917, it no longer applies today.
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More accurately, I've said that since Congress expanded the role of the FRN in 1933 with *this* law:

United States coins and currency (including Federal reserve notes and circulating notes of Federal reserve banks and national banks) are legal tender for all debts, public charges, taxes, and dues. Foreign gold or silver coins are not legal tender for debts.
 Quoting: 31 USC § 5103


That FRNs were promoted to national currency. And with it, lawful money.

You know...the law that you definitely know about, but *really* hope we don't? And now for the next big reveal: that you're just making up your claims as you go along. Let me demonstrate;

Show us the any law or any court case that says that you have to give US Notes in redemption for FRNs.

....and nothing.

Show us any law or court case that says that 'demanding lawful money' makes you exempt from taxation.


......and again nothing.

Its just you citing yourself. Pretending that anything you imagine must be the law.

There's no way he is not getting paid to be here. Nor has he ever denied it, not that it would matter, lairs lie.
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Says the guy shilling a website. Dude, your marketing plan has been exposed. I predicted you were a shill for another website days ago.

And you've proven me right yet again, desperately scrambling to drive up webtraffic. What, ad revenues were down? Or like Hendricksen and his 'lost horizons' website, are the legal fees starting pile up?
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More walls of text from the Shill.

Who is paying YOU?
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And I am not your "friend" Agent.

Nor are you some saint here to protect anyone but yourself and the Fed/IRS who has deceived everyone into endorsing the FIAT money scam of fractional reserves and unbacked international banking cartels.

The blood on your thieving hands and the lies from your forked tongue will someday be returned to you 10 fold. Maybe, not my place to judge, Agent.
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Still no call to your all mighty law enforcement revenue agents, shill?

What's the issue?

You got nothing and you know it.
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More walls of text from the Shill.

Who is paying YOU?
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As I've told you already, I'm doing this for free, Shill.

Where as you're scrambling to drive webstraffic to your latest tax con site? What, is ad revenue down? Or like Hendricksen, are the legal bills starting to pile up?

And I'll make it easy for you:

Show us the law or court ruling that states that demanding 'lawful money' makes you immune from taxation.

Show us the law or court ruling that states that US Notes must be offered in redemption for FRNs under Title 12 USC 411.

Short enough for you? You'll ignore it just the same....

.....as you're only quoting yourself.
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And I am not your "friend" Agent.

Nor are you some saint here to protect anyone but yourself and the Fed/IRS who has deceived everyone into endorsing the FIAT money scam of fractional reserves and unbacked international banking cartels.
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Ah, the conspiracy just keeps getting more and more elaborate. Dude, you citing you isn't a legal argument. You backing your imagination with batshyte isn't a legal argument.

You're just quoting yourself, offering us a conspiracy backed by a conspiracy, wrapped in you imagining that whatever you invent must be law.

Its not. You're not.

The blood on your thieving hands and the lies from your forked tongue will someday be returned to you 10 fold. Maybe, not my place to judge, Agent.
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My conscience is clean, Shill. You're the one trying desperately to get folks to buy into your latest tax con, scrambling to drive up web traffic to your site. And if these folks go to jail, what does it matter to you? You bumped your ad revenue. You hit your marketing projections. These folks mean nothing to you.

Well they mean something to me. And I'll keep quoting the case law, keep quoting the courts *explicitly* contradicting your conman bullshyte, keep pointing out that you still can't quote any law or any court ruling that says that demanding lawful money makes you immune from taxes.

Its just you...citing you. And you don't know what you're talking about.
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12 USC 411:

FRNs...SHALL BE REDEEMED IN LAWFUL MONEY ON DEMAND.

The shill cannot handle it!!
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There is just one example of what is being accomplished, there are others.
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Results!!

Call the IRS shilltard!

The IRS has been honoring lawful money demand in some cases for over a decade!

I am going on 6 years now!! Bring it on shilltard!!
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12 USC 411:

FRNs...SHALL BE REDEEMED IN LAWFUL MONEY ON DEMAND.

The shill cannot handle it!!
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Title 12, USC 411 never says anything about US Notes. Title 12, USC 411 never says that demanding lawful money makes you exempt from taxes.

You do. Citing yourself as the law. And you're nobody.

Show us the law indicating that FRNs must be redeemed for ONLY US Notes.

Show us the law that indicates that demanding 'lawful money' makes you exempt from income taxes.

You can't. Keep running.
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The IRS is the one who will have to settle this, you are not the authority in income tax matters. The IRS continues to issue full returns to those demanding lawful money, till that changes or until one of us is charged with a crime, there is nothing more to talk about.

Call the IRS and complain to them for issuing returns and not prosecuting those of us who are demanding lawful money per 12 USC 411.

You can think you are right all you want and I get to keep what I earn as I have for the past 6 years.

No income tax=what I got.

Posts on GLP=what you got.
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"SHALL BE REDEEMED FOR LAWFUL MONEY ON DEMAND"

12 USC 411.
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Question:

Doing the "redeem for lawful money" gets rid of the taxes but what about Social Security and Medicaid?

Also: is it still necessary to file a tax return?
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