Godlike Productions - Conspiracy Forum
Users Online Now: 1,406 (Who's On?)Visitors Today: 356,770
Pageviews Today: 733,396Threads Today: 417Posts Today: 9,332
03:28 PM


Rate this Thread

Absolute BS Crap Reasonable Nice Amazing
 

Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

 
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
08/16/2013 03:15 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
All the "law" you can handle (NOTICE this is only for people who can actually read and do not have their head stuck up the IRS/Feds ass so far they cannot see the words).

[link to www.supremelaw.org]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 43637591
United States
08/16/2013 03:20 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Show me where I posted jack shit about "constitutional currency" you take ass bitch liar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


Wrong again. I've already shown you two cases. One that affirms that Congress has the constitutional authority to issue paper money. One that affirms that FRNs are issued using that Congressional authority.

Appellant's contentions, in our view, were put at rest close to a century ago in Juilliard v. Greenman, 110 U.S. 421, 448, 4 S.Ct. 122, 130, 28 L.Ed. 204 (1884), in which it was said:

" . . . Under the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States, and to issue circulating notes for the money borrowed, its power to define the quality and force of those notes as currency is as broad as the like power over a metallic currency under the power to coin money and to regulate the value thereof. Under the two powers, taken together, Congress is authorized to establish a national currency, either in coin or in paper, and to make that currency lawful money for all purposes, as regards the national government or private individuals. . . . " (Emphasis supplied.)

The power so precisely described in Juilliard has been delegated to the Federal Reserve System under the provisions of 12 U.S.C. § 411. Appellant's challenge to the validity of this legislation is meritless. Cf.31 U.S.C. § 392.

[link to law.justia.com]
 Quoting: Milam v the US


Obliterating your argument. Twice.

You say one thing. The courts say another. The courts win.


If YOU had anything, I and many others would be I court with the IRS, but here you are, telling me my opinion means nothing but to date the IRS agrees with me.
 Quoting:


Hendrickson and his ilk said the same thing when they shilled 'Lost Horizons'. Bill Benson and his ilk said the same thing when they were shilling 'The Law that Never Was'. Schiff and his ilk said the *exact* same thing when they were shilling 'Pay no Income Taxes!'. Ed and Elaine Brown said the *exact* same thing when they stopped submitting returns.

Hendrickson got away with fraudulent returns for 7 years. Schiff for nearly 10. Ed and Elaine brown for 10 years. And all claimed just like you that that *their* tax avoidance con had to work because they hadn't been arrested yet.

Until the indictments came. And the convictions. And the fines. And the lost homes. And the federal prison sentences.

You're like some deluded fool that has jumped off of a cliff and insisted he's 'immune to gravity' because he hasn't hit the ground yet.

And still can't show me any court ruling or any law that has *ever* said that if you demand lawful money, you're immune from taxes.

You're only quoting yourself. And your imagination obligations no one.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 43637591
United States
08/16/2013 03:25 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
[link to thelawdictionary.org]

Tell me again how all CAPITOL SPELLING makes no difference legally you ignorant FED SHILL?

The stupidity and ignorance of your assertions is staggering.

Can you please shut the hell up?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


Um, buddy....we're not Romans. And Latin doesn't have a lower case.

Once again, you've just imagined nonsense as the law. And then laughably concluded that the courts and government are bound to whatever you imagine.

Um, no. They're not.

What else have you got? Don't tell me....more links back to your website? What, ad revenue down? You miss your marketing projections this quarter? Or are the legal bills just starting to stack up...so you need new meat for tax con grinder?

Sorry, Shill....but I had you pegged *days* ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43637591

Uh, dumbfuck, where did "law" come from?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


Again, friend....Roman law isn't our law. And Latin doesn't have a lower case. Making your claims doubly irrelevant.

If you believe that we subscribe to your imaginary version of "CAPITIS DIMINUTIO', by all means show me in the USC. Or show me any federal court ruling that recognizes that upper case or lower case refer to different people or have any legal significance at all.

You can't. You're citing you. Which is legally worthless, as you aren't a legal authority.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
08/16/2013 03:26 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
LOL the dumbass shill thinks a bunch of white guys in the late 1700's were the ones who created law!!!

HE is so ignorant on the subject he does not even know where law came from and yet he claims some sort of authority on the subject!!'

Gee, dumbass, are Roman Catholics "Romans?"

Did law NOT have its foundations in Egypt, Rome and ancient Israel? Do the maxims of law from millennia ago not form the foundation of all law toady?

You are a fool. Hell most legal terms still are written in Latin, the language of ROME, you blithering idiot!

That is history, not "me citing me".
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
08/16/2013 03:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
[link to thelawdictionary.org]

Tell me again how all CAPITOL SPELLING makes no difference legally you ignorant FED SHILL?

The stupidity and ignorance of your assertions is staggering.

Can you please shut the hell up?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


Um, buddy....we're not Romans. And Latin doesn't have a lower case.

Once again, you've just imagined nonsense as the law. And then laughably concluded that the courts and government are bound to whatever you imagine.

Um, no. They're not.

What else have you got? Don't tell me....more links back to your website? What, ad revenue down? You miss your marketing projections this quarter? Or are the legal bills just starting to stack up...so you need new meat for tax con grinder?

Sorry, Shill....but I had you pegged *days* ago.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43637591

Uh, dumbfuck, where did "law" come from?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


Again, friend....Roman law isn't our law. And Latin doesn't have a lower case. Making your claims doubly irrelevant.

If you believe that we subscribe to your imaginary version of "CAPITIS DIMINUTIO', by all means show me in the USC. Or show me any federal court ruling that recognizes that upper case or lower case refer to different people or have any legal significance at all.

You can't. You're citing you. Which is legally worthless, as you aren't a legal authority.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43637591


I am not your friend, you fuck. Not are YOU any legal authority.

You are an idiot and a liar and a charlatan who knows nothing of law.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 43637591
United States
08/16/2013 03:30 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
All the "law" you can handle (NOTICE this is only for people who can actually read and do not have their head stuck up the IRS/Feds ass so far they cannot see the words).

[link to www.supremelaw.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


Then just quote the law or court ruling that says that if you demand lawful money you don't have to pay taxes.

The pdf you just linked to never did. Edwin Vieir cited HIMSELF, just as you're doing now. He cites no law nor court ruling that has ever said this.

And neither your imagination nor Eddy's are legally binding or create *any* obligation on the part of the treasury, the Fed, Congress or anyone else.

If you want to make a legal argument, show us the law or any court ruling that says that if you demand lawful money, you don't have to pay taxes.

You can't. You're done.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
08/16/2013 03:32 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
[link to www.supremelaw.org]

Read it if you can before the shill hides is among his swine shit, trying to cover pearls.

[link to www.supremelaw.org]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
08/16/2013 03:34 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
All the "law" you can handle (NOTICE this is only for people who can actually read and do not have their head stuck up the IRS/Feds ass so far they cannot see the words).

[link to www.supremelaw.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


Then just quote the law or court ruling that says that if you demand lawful money you don't have to pay taxes.

The pdf you just linked to never did. Edwin Vieir cited HIMSELF, just as you're doing now. He cites no law nor court ruling that has ever said this.

And neither your imagination nor Eddy's are legally binding or create *any* obligation on the part of the treasury, the Fed, Congress or anyone else.

If you want to make a legal argument, show us the law or any court ruling that says that if you demand lawful money, you don't have to pay taxes.

You can't. You're done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43637591


I am done with YOU but I am far from DONE.

[link to www.supremelaw.org]
It gives history and many cases not you citing you.

Fuckwit.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
08/16/2013 03:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
[link to www.supremelaw.org]
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 43637591
United States
08/16/2013 03:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
I am not your friend, you fuck. Not are YOU any legal authority.
 Quoting:

Then quote the law or court ruling that recognizes that capitalization is legally significant. Or that your bizarro version of 'capitus diminutio' is in force in the US.

You can't. Just like you can't back any of your inane babble about 'redemption' with an actual citation or the law or court ruling that says if you demand lawful money, you don't have to pay taxes.

You citing you means nothing. And in case you want to cite yourself again, remember...you citing you means nothing.

And you citing you is all you have.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 43637591
United States
08/16/2013 03:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


The federal judiciary has already recognized congressional authority to issue paper money under the constitution. And the federal judiciary has already recognized that the issuance of Federal Reserve Notes under this Congressional authority.

Appellant's contentions, in our view, were put at rest close to a century ago in Juilliard v. Greenman, 110 U.S. 421, 448, 4 S.Ct. 122, 130, 28 L.Ed. 204 (1884), in which it was said:

" . . . Under the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States, and to issue circulating notes for the money borrowed, its power to define the quality and force of those notes as currency is as broad as the like power over a metallic currency under the power to coin money and to regulate the value thereof. Under the two powers, taken together, Congress is authorized to establish a national currency, either in coin or in paper, and to make that currency lawful money for all purposes, as regards the national government or private individuals. . . . "

The power so precisely described in Juilliard has been delegated to the Federal Reserve System under the provisions of 12 U.S.C. § 411. Appellant's challenge to the validity of this legislation is meritless. Cf.31 U.S.C. § 392.

[link to law.justia.com]
 Quoting: Milan V. US


You say 'uh-huh'. And so what? You're nobody.

The courts are authoritative. You and Eddy aren't.

You lose again, Shill.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 43637591
United States
08/16/2013 03:44 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
I am done with YOU but I am far from DONE.
 Quoting:


You don't get it, friend. Your participation is irrelevant. If you respond to my posts, if you don't....I still post the evidence that obliterates your claims.

As I just did above :)


It gives history and many cases not you citing you.
 Quoting:


And yet not one case or law that says if you demand lawful money you're exempt from taxation. Not one that has found that FRNs are unconstitutional. In both instances, its just you and Eddy citing yourselves. Which means absolutely nothing.

Where I've cited the judiciary *explicitly* contradicting you. Holding that congress has the authority issue paper money under the constitution. And that FRNs are issued using that constitutional authority.

Obliterating your entire argument.

You lose again, Shill.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 43637591
United States
08/16/2013 04:26 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
LOL the dumbass shill thinks a bunch of white guys in the late 1700's were the ones who created law!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


You're confused. I've said that Roman law is not our law. And that Latin doesn't even have a lower case. Making your 'lower case, upper case' argument both silly and legally baseless.


Did law NOT have its foundations in Egypt, Rome and ancient Israel? Do the maxims of law from millennia ago not form the foundation of all law toady?
 Quoting:


If capitalization has any relevance to our laws, then it should be remarkably easy for you to show us the law in the USC that says this. Or failing that, show us any court case that indicates as much.

You can't. There is no such law. There is no such court case. Once again, you're imagined it. And then laughably presented your imagination as the law.

Its not.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 11639975
United States
08/19/2013 09:30 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Show me where I posted jack shit about "constitutional currency" you take ass bitch liar.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 40017194


Wrong again. I've already shown you two cases. One that affirms that Congress has the constitutional authority to issue paper money. One that affirms that FRNs are issued using that Congressional authority.

Appellant's contentions, in our view, were put at rest close to a century ago in Juilliard v. Greenman, 110 U.S. 421, 448, 4 S.Ct. 122, 130, 28 L.Ed. 204 (1884), in which it was said:

" . . . Under the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States, and to issue circulating notes for the money borrowed, its power to define the quality and force of those notes as currency is as broad as the like power over a metallic currency under the power to coin money and to regulate the value thereof. Under the two powers, taken together, Congress is authorized to establish a national currency, either in coin or in paper, and to make that currency lawful money for all purposes, as regards the national government or private individuals. . . . " (Emphasis supplied.)

The power so precisely described in Juilliard has been delegated to the Federal Reserve System under the provisions of 12 U.S.C. § 411. Appellant's challenge to the validity of this legislation is meritless. Cf.31 U.S.C. § 392.

[link to law.justia.com]
 Quoting: Milam v the US


Obliterating your argument. Twice.

You say one thing. The courts say another. The courts win.


If YOU had anything, I and many others would be I court with the IRS, but here you are, telling me my opinion means nothing but to date the IRS agrees with me.
 Quoting:


Hendrickson and his ilk said the same thing when they shilled 'Lost Horizons'. Bill Benson and his ilk said the same thing when they were shilling 'The Law that Never Was'. Schiff and his ilk said the *exact* same thing when they were shilling 'Pay no Income Taxes!'. Ed and Elaine Brown said the *exact* same thing when they stopped submitting returns.

Hendrickson got away with fraudulent returns for 7 years. Schiff for nearly 10. Ed and Elaine brown for 10 years. And all claimed just like you that that *their* tax avoidance con had to work because they hadn't been arrested yet.

Until the indictments came. And the convictions. And the fines. And the lost homes. And the federal prison sentences.

You're like some deluded fool that has jumped off of a cliff and insisted he's 'immune to gravity' because he hasn't hit the ground yet.

And still can't show me any court ruling or any law that has *ever* said that if you demand lawful money, you're immune from taxes.

You're only quoting yourself. And your imagination obligations no one.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 43637591
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 45204798
United Kingdom
08/19/2013 09:41 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Can all you "lawful moneytards" please be sure to check in from the library after you lose everything to the IRS?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
08/23/2013 09:42 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
"Shall be redeemed on demand for lawful money"

"DEMAND IS MADE FOR LAWFUL MONEY PER 12 USC 411"

The shill is not my boss, my owner not my redeemer. I will continue to handle my own affairs however I see fit and there is not shit he can do about it.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 7505335
United States
08/28/2013 08:18 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
The following quote from --> [link to savingtosuitorsclub.net]

By making your demand for lawful money, you are changing the terms of the contract with the Federal Reserve. When FDR committed the resources of the US government, and the assets and future labor of the debt serfs who use debt money, he was acting as the CEO of the corporate US government, which only has jurisdiction over DC and 14th Amendment citizens. If you include in your demand to redeem your assets in the trust, you are removing the lien established by the use of debt money. Since the trust only has validity when it has assets in it, and the trust can only exist on the presumption that you are dead, by making the claim you collapse the trust and take title to your estate. See the amendments to the Cestui que Vie Act by Charles the II in 1666. Then by registering your legal name as a dba with any Secretary of any state, you remove your assets from 'within the US.' Now you have rebutted the assumption that you want to deal in private money, the presumption that you are acting as a bank and are thus incurring the obligation to file a tax return and pay taxes on the use of this private money, and the presumption that you are in contract with the Federal Reserve, and thus an employee (read as tax slave) of the US government. You now have legal title to your name, and to the assets in your estate, and to the fruits of your labor, and you have no trust in the US government. And by now being legally domiciled in a state, you are 'without the US' and thus not a 14th Amendment citizen with privileges instead of rights. The issue of trustee de son tort does not arise when you own your legal name, as there is no trust, there are only contracts, and these you can refuse. And there is no tort, as the US government does not control the territory of the 50 states, so the usufructuary does not extend to the physical world of America.

The distinction here is important: the United States of America is a constitutional republic; the US government is a corporation under Roman law. In the republic you have unalienable rights; in the US you have privileges. It is better for you to get out of the US and into America.
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
08/29/2013 02:18 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Bump for real results...

Since the IRS is takin care of the new health care system, maybe those demanding redemption per 12 USC 411 are exempt from that as well?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
08/30/2013 08:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
[link to www.viewzone.com]

Hmmmm....
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 40017194
United States
09/05/2013 11:46 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Shillery Clinton got shut down by the controllers!!

Thread is quiet without the paid help. I wonder what memo or conversation was like when they shut him down?

"We have other priorities, keep away from the lawful money redemption threads, they are causing too much attention to the subject, google shows too much activity..."

Shut down shill!!
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 46576396
United States
09/10/2013 10:43 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Freedom bump!
David Merrill
User ID: 47032307
United States
09/19/2013 12:33 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
The process server new suitors typically use (Maryland) for service on the current US Governor of the IMF (Secretary) has been getting flack from the DoJ. They are going about some strange gyrations about that the Mail Room at the Treasury will only serve Jacob Joseph LEW as Secretary of the Treasury and not as an individual. [Funny - the DoJ feels they are in legal authority to judge the Libel of Review a Bivens Action?] They do this without any mention of LEW as US Governor for the IMF but have actually coerced the process server into trying to command the new suitor to file worthless process instead, even replacing the former Proof of Service with a non-specific description that is invalid.

This is of course Tampering with a Witness or Victim and is a felony in the federal jurisdiction as well as in any state. We have corrected this with a Criminal Complaint against the DoJ but cannot of course get a federal judge to co-sign and begin action. However I hear word from a new suitor that the process server has acquired a second address for LEW as the US Governor for the IMF.

I am waiting for that address but you might accept it as a wonderful rumor at this point.

It is very amusing how when these protectionist agencies struggle against the truth and public trust, if you have some keys to unlock the conditioning (mysteries) the truth shines through in short order.


Regards,

David Merrill.



P.S. You can always find these things in more detail and even contact me about becoming a suitor at:

www.savingtosuitorsclub.net
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 2720400
United States
10/09/2013 05:27 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
The process server new suitors typically use (Maryland) for service on the current US Governor of the IMF (Secretary) has been getting flack from the DoJ. They are going about some strange gyrations about that the Mail Room at the Treasury will only serve Jacob Joseph LEW as Secretary of the Treasury and not as an individual. [Funny - the DoJ feels they are in legal authority to judge the Libel of Review a Bivens Action?] They do this without any mention of LEW as US Governor for the IMF but have actually coerced the process server into trying to command the new suitor to file worthless process instead, even replacing the former Proof of Service with a non-specific description that is invalid.

This is of course Tampering with a Witness or Victim and is a felony in the federal jurisdiction as well as in any state. We have corrected this with a Criminal Complaint against the DoJ but cannot of course get a federal judge to co-sign and begin action. However I hear word from a new suitor that the process server has acquired a second address for LEW as the US Governor for the IMF.

I am waiting for that address but you might accept it as a wonderful rumor at this point.

It is very amusing how when these protectionist agencies struggle against the truth and public trust, if you have some keys to unlock the conditioning (mysteries) the truth shines through in short order.


Regards,

David Merrill.



P.S. You can always find these things in more detail and even contact me about becoming a suitor at:

www.savingtosuitorsclub.net
 Quoting: David Merrill 47032307


Did they file charges against the DOJ?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 48142500
United States
10/10/2013 12:35 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
The following quote from --> [link to savingtosuitorsclub.net]

By making your demand for lawful money, you are changing the terms of the contract with the Federal Reserve. When FDR committed the resources of the US government, and the assets and future labor of the debt serfs who use debt money, he was acting as the CEO of the corporate US government, which only has jurisdiction over DC and 14th Amendment citizens. If you include in your demand to redeem your assets in the trust, you are removing the lien established by the use of debt money. Since the trust only has validity when it has assets in it, and the trust can only exist on the presumption that you are dead, by making the claim you collapse the trust and take title to your estate. See the amendments to the Cestui que Vie Act by Charles the II in 1666. Then by registering your legal name as a dba with any Secretary of any state, you remove your assets from 'within the US.' Now you have rebutted the assumption that you want to deal in private money, the presumption that you are acting as a bank and are thus incurring the obligation to file a tax return and pay taxes on the use of this private money, and the presumption that you are in contract with the Federal Reserve, and thus an employee (read as tax slave) of the US government. You now have legal title to your name, and to the assets in your estate, and to the fruits of your labor, and you have no trust in the US government. And by now being legally domiciled in a state, you are 'without the US' and thus not a 14th Amendment citizen with privileges instead of rights. The issue of trustee de son tort does not arise when you own your legal name, as there is no trust, there are only contracts, and these you can refuse. And there is no tort, as the US government does not control the territory of the 50 states, so the usufructuary does not extend to the physical world of America.

The distinction here is important: the United States of America is a constitutional republic; the US government is a corporation under Roman law. In the republic you have unalienable rights; in the US you have privileges. It is better for you to get out of the US and into America.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7505335


100% Correct!!!!!!!!!!
Jknoph

User ID: 1207206
United States
10/16/2013 05:16 AM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
EXCELLENT EXPLANATION HERE!

Lawful Money the united States IS THE FUCKING KEY to this!



Some thoughts I've had upon re-watching:

07:40 check is an IOU depositing a check is a loan?

09:32 this is why we are experiancing delfation because the banks are not making loans anymore causing
the currency supply to dry up as bills/taxes/interest are paid.

10:00 this bank loaning process also operates in reverse when loans go bad the banks no must find 10 dollars
in new deposits or assets for every 1 dollar it lent or its balence sheet collapses and the FDIC closes the
bank.

10:30 He leaves out something...what about coinage? Is it not also part of the money supply? Who issues that?

11:00 However the use of that currency is VOLUNTARY.

11:30 The use of that currency is optional but if you choose to use it then you have just participated in
a taxable activity via the excise tax statutes/regulations and indirect taxing clause of the constitution.

11:57 True, but why? Because the majority of the money in use was issued directly by the US Treasury.
Gold and Silver Coin, Gold and Silver certificates and United States Notes (greenbacks). Some currency
was issued by the national banks called National Bank Notes.

12:06 NOT TRUE, the congress could tax as income bank credit not issued under the authority of Congress all
along. They did it in the civil war. The purpose of the income tax amendment was to tax income derived
(seperated) from any source whatever. Stated differently income seperated from property (rent, dividends, gains
and profits)

14:00 This is called deflation

15:57 NOT TRUE. This only applies to the states not the federal government.

17:50 and foreign banks

19:19 Or other suckers around the world exporting inflation.

19:37 Physical currency springs into exsistance when the Bureau of engraving and printing prints and
ships currency to the Fed for the cost of printing it and who then gives it to the banks..The majority of the
"currency" is in a computer as 1's and 0's.

18:53 - 21:30 Where do coins minted by the treasury fit into this picture? They start at the mint via the
treasury to the Federal reserve to the banks to you. No bonds are created to facilitate the minting of coins
to my knowledge.

23:30 Use their poison and get what you deserve.

23:44 ABSOLUTLY FALSE! They are not unconstitutional.

Last Edited by Deplorable Jknoph on 10/17/2013 03:38 PM
Jknoph

User ID: 2809869
United States
10/17/2013 03:39 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
bump
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 49135577
United States
10/29/2013 03:48 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Does anyone know if one demands lawful money for a business dba still have effect? It's a new business and have an EIN so would that change the effect? ANYONE?
Anonymous Coward
User ID: 49135577
United States
10/30/2013 01:10 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Hey bring this back ya'll I gotta open an account today so what exactly do I write on my signature card?
talkstory

User ID: 49119817
Thailand
10/30/2013 03:19 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Here is a really good complilation of the differences between lawful money ie public money and Federal reserve notes ie. private money and one private money creates a tax libility.

[link to www.silverbearcafe.com]

Last Edited by talkstory on 10/30/2013 03:19 PM
talkstory
talkstory

User ID: 49119817
Thailand
10/30/2013 04:27 PM
Report Abusive Post
Report Copyright Violation
Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Hey bring this back ya'll I gotta open an account today so what exactly do I write on my signature card?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49135577


I simple wrote a letter to effect that all transactions through my account where to be conducted in redeem federal reserve notes Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411. took it to a teller and had her sign and date stamp it. Left them a copy. You do not need their permission to redeem FRN's. Its you demand that counts. Read the snip below from page one.

Redeemed in Lawful money
Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411
True name dba Legal name
I have a red ink stamp. Your true name is your first and middle, your “legal name” is “FIRST LAST”. Look at your drivers license. Wonder why your name is in ALL CAPS? Same on your birth certificate. Same on any notice from a court. That’s your legal name, a trust formed by the government in order to do business with you and on you.
Make copies of all your checks (front and back) with your restricted endorsement. Keep them on file, or even better, file them in a case jacket at your nearest district court. This is what all the IRS will be required to see. Lawful money is not taxable income. You have not endorsed private credit, you have not bonded your substance to the contract with the Federal Reserve.
Those who demand lawful money rather than engage in signature endorsed contract with the FED, in their own right and by the operation of law found at §16 of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 now codified at Title 12 U.S.C. §411 which is binding law upon the IRS, and any other United States claiming entity, to accept and recognize the non-taxable nature of lawful money of exchange.
talkstory