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Hey bring this back ya'll I gotta open an account today so what exactly do I write on my signature card?
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I simple wrote a letter to effect that all transactions through my account where to be conducted in redeem federal reserve notes Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411. took it to a teller and had her sign and date stamp it. Left them a copy. You do not need their permission to redeem FRN's. Its you demand that counts. Read the snip below from page one.

Redeemed in Lawful money
Pursuant to Title 12 USC §411
True name dba Legal name
I have a red ink stamp. Your true name is your first and middle, your “legal name” is “FIRST LAST”. Look at your drivers license. Wonder why your name is in ALL CAPS? Same on your birth certificate. Same on any notice from a court. That’s your legal name, a trust formed by the government in order to do business with you and on you.
Make copies of all your checks (front and back) with your restricted endorsement. Keep them on file, or even better, file them in a case jacket at your nearest district court. This is what all the IRS will be required to see. Lawful money is not taxable income. You have not endorsed private credit, you have not bonded your substance to the contract with the Federal Reserve.
Those who demand lawful money rather than engage in signature endorsed contract with the FED, in their own right and by the operation of law found at §16 of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 now codified at Title 12 U.S.C. §411 which is binding law upon the IRS, and any other United States claiming entity, to accept and recognize the non-taxable nature of lawful money of exchange.
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For the record has anyone been convicted with this strategy?
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For the record has anyone been convicted with this strategy?
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Yes, the entire Federal Government, the Federal Reserve Bank and several court judges. I, on the other hand will celebrate another year of demanding lawful money and ZERO withheld taxes paid or owed.
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For the record has anyone been convicted with this strategy?
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Yes, the entire Federal Government, the Federal Reserve Bank and several court judges. I, on the other hand will celebrate another year of demanding lawful money and ZERO withheld taxes paid or owed.
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Are you serious?
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For the record has anyone been convicted with this strategy?
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Yes, the entire Federal Government, the Federal Reserve Bank and several court judges. I, on the other hand will celebrate another year of demanding lawful money and ZERO withheld taxes paid or owed.
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Are you serious?
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Yes, they are convicted by their endorsement of the Federal Reserve system and its enslavement of millions of people. They are convicted of theft, enslavement and many other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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For the record has anyone been convicted with this strategy?
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Yes, the entire Federal Government, the Federal Reserve Bank and several court judges. I, on the other hand will celebrate another year of demanding lawful money and ZERO withheld taxes paid or owed.
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Are you serious?
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Yes, they are convicted by their endorsement of the Federal Reserve system and its enslavement of millions of people. They are convicted of theft, enslavement and many other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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Yet they walk free and live like kings.
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Yes, the entire Federal Government, the Federal Reserve Bank and several court judges. I, on the other hand will celebrate another year of demanding lawful money and ZERO withheld taxes paid or owed.
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Are you serious?
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Yes, they are convicted by their endorsement of the Federal Reserve system and its enslavement of millions of people. They are convicted of theft, enslavement and many other high crimes and misdemeanors.
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Yet they walk free and live like kings.
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Judgement will come, for everyone. Maybe...
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[link to caselaw.lp.findlaw.com]

" But there is another answer which vindicates equally the wisdom and the power of Congress.

It cannot be doubted that under the Constitution the power to provide a circulation of coin is given to Congress. And it is settled by the uniform practice of the government and by repeated decisions, that Congress may constitutionally authorize the emission of bills of credit. It is not important here, to decide whether the quality of legal tender, in payment of debts, can be constitutionally imparted to these bills; it is enough to say, that there can be no question of the power of the government to emit them; to make them receivable in payment of debts to itself; to fit them for use by those who see fit to use them in all the transactions of commerce; to provide for their redemption; to make them a currency, uniform in value and description, and convenient and useful for circulation. These powers, until recently, were only partially and occasionally exercised. Lately, however, they have been called into full activity, and Congress has undertaken to supply a currency for the entire country.

The methods adopted for the supply of this currency were briefly explained in the first part of this opinion. It now [75 U.S. 533, 549] consists of coin, of United States notes, and of the notes of the National banks. Both descriptions of notes may be properly described as bills of credit, for both are furnished by the government; both are issued on the credit of the government; and the government is responsible for the redemption of both; primarily as to the first description, and immediately upon default of the bank, as to the second. When these bills shall be made convertible into coin, at the will of the holder, this currency will, perhaps, satisfy the wants of the community, in respect to a circulating medium, as perfectly as any mixed currency that can be devised.

Having thus, in the exercise of undisputed constitutional powers, undertaken to provide a currency for the whole country, it cannot be questioned that Congress may, constitutionally, secure the benefit of it to the people by appropriate legislation. To this end, Congress has denied the quality of legal tender to foreign coins, and has provided by law against the imposition of counterfeit and base coin on the community. To the same end, Congress may restrain, by suitable enactments, the circulation as money of any notes not issued under its own authority. Without this power, indeed, its attempts to secure a sound and uniform currency for the country must be futile.

Viewed in this light, as well as in the other light of a duty on contracts or property, we cannot doubt the constitutionality of the tax under consideration."
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This does not work...... Warning do not listen to this shit!
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This does not work...... Warning do not listen to this shit!
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Drive by shilling, really convincing.
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This does not work...... Warning do not listen to this shit!
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Drive by shilling, really convincing.
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No drive by shilling just the truth
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This does not work...... Warning do not listen to this shit!
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Drive by shilling, really convincing.
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No drive by shilling just the truth
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Prove it's "the truth". I have been been demanding redemption for lawful money for years, with no problems, what have you done?
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Here is a really good complilation of the differences between lawful money ie public money and Federal reserve notes ie. private money and one private money creates a tax libility.

[link to www.silverbearcafe.com]
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Thanks for the link
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For what it's worth: [link to app.box.com (secure)]
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Do you want to free yourselves from paying the federal income tax? My suggestion here:

Take the time to study Title 26 US Code. Do it with the help of the great little book titled, "The Great Internal Revenue Hoax Exposed" by R.J. 'Ray Stenson, available at Amazon.com. Get a cheap, used, soft-bound copy of the Internal Revenue Code. Take notes as you study it, the code is designed to deceive, confuse, and confound, but with time you will learn how to read and understand. The key to understanding the code is found in this great little book.

Non-filer/ non-taxpayer since 1980. Never spent time in jail, never even appeared in a federal court.

How do you beat willful failure to file? Simple, file an affidavit declaring your willingness to file if they can show you how to do it without waiving your rights to remain silent, your rights to privacy, your rights against involuntary servitude. Can't be done. Best done before being charged. PS An attorney cannot/ will not claim your rights for you.

Be aware also that you are up against organized crime. You have no government protecting you. They will steal anything having your name on it. Accept the fact that you live in a communist country and cannot own anything.

Get educated and educate your family, friends, acquaintances, anybody who will listen.

Here is a clue. The federal government is not yours with small exceptions. Learn the definition of US vs USA. Learn the definition of 'taxpayer', 'wages', 'employer', 'trade or business', 'self-employed', and most importantly learn how the word 'includes' functions.
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U.S. Constitution annotated see page 305.

Article 1 section 8 clause 5

[link to bulk.resource.org (secure)]

"The power ‘‘to coin money’’ and ‘‘regulate the value thereof’’ has been broadly construed to authorize regulation of every phase of the subject of currency. Congress may charter banks and endow them with the right to issue circulating notes,
1369 and it may restrain the circulation of notes not issued under its own authority.
1370
To this end it may impose a prohibitive tax upon the cir-
culation of the notes of state banks
1371 or of municipal corporations. 1372

Court Cases:

1369: McCulloch v. Maryland, 17 U.S. (4 Wheat.) 316 (1819).

1370: Veazie Bank v. Fenno, 75 U.S. (8 Wall.) 533 (1869).

1371: 75 U.S. at 548.
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Do you want to free yourselves from paying the federal income tax? My suggestion here:

Take the time to study Title 26 US Code. Do it with the help of the great little book titled, "The Great Internal Revenue Hoax Exposed" by R.J. 'Ray Stenson, available at Amazon.com. Get a cheap, used, soft-bound copy of the Internal Revenue Code. Take notes as you study it, the code is designed to deceive, confuse, and confound, but with time you will learn how to read and understand. The key to understanding the code is found in this great little book.

Non-filer/ non-taxpayer since 1980. Never spent time in jail, never even appeared in a federal court.

How do you beat willful failure to file? Simple, file an affidavit declaring your willingness to file if they can show you how to do it without waiving your rights to remain silent, your rights to privacy, your rights against involuntary servitude. Can't be done. Best done before being charged. PS An attorney cannot/ will not claim your rights for you.

Be aware also that you are up against organized crime. You have no government protecting you. They will steal anything having your name on it. Accept the fact that you live in a communist country and cannot own anything.

Get educated and educate your family, friends, acquaintances, anybody who will listen.

Here is a clue. The federal government is not yours with small exceptions. Learn the definition of US vs USA. Learn the definition of 'taxpayer', 'wages', 'employer', 'trade or business', 'self-employed', and most importantly learn how the word 'includes' functions.
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This doesn't work. I doubt you haven't filed since 1980.
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Bump for another year and 100 pages of a great thread!!
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Has anyone else noticed on the fiat currency, it is written "This note is legal tender...", after the line is written , they did not put a period at the end, the way there is a period at the end of the longer version written on the older original currency.

They shortened the sentence, but left off the period.

I would think leaving a period off, indicates incomplete sentence...but why?
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It ended 12/ 23 / 2013.

The republic is restored.

**************snip**********

Susan & Zap-if the following is true, what a blessing it would be. Any thoughts? Thanks and Happy Holidays. AN

GOD Bless America Again

CONGRATULATIONS --- AS OF MIDNIGHT 12/23, THE ROTHSCHILD PRIVATE BANK -- FEDERAL RESERVE BANK, FEDERAL CORP AND ALL FEDERAL AGENCIES INCLUDING THE IRS WILL BE DEAD AND ABOLISHED FROM OUR LAND. The RV exchanges will be done using the REPUBLIC GOLD ASSET TREASURY NOTES.

THANK YOU WHITE KNIGHTS AND THE RESISTANCE! GOD BLESS AMERICA!

(From MacHaffie;s Blog)

HMMMM. NOT A CHANCE. THEY ARE REQUIRED FOR THE RESET, AND ARE INTEGRAL TO IT. OTHERWISE WE WOULD EXPERIENCE GREAT CHAOS RIGHT NOW. THE ITEM THAT THE NEW REPUBLIC IS SIGNED INTO EXISTENCE IS TRUE THOUGH. THE BIG BOYS, WHEN THEY GOT THEIR DINAR DONE, HAD TO SIGN NOT ONLY A GAG ORDER, BUT SWEAR ALLEGIANCE TO THE NEW REPUBLIC OF THE USA. REMEMBER I SAID THAT MANY HAVE GIVEN THEIR LIVES TO HAVE THIS DONE FOR US? THOSE UNSUNG HEROES ARE TO BE VENERATED FOR THEIR ULTIMATE SACRIFICE. MOST ARE FROM THE US ARMED FORCES AND THE AGENCIES. WHITE HATS ALL. GOD BLESS THEM. AND YES, THE IRS ETC. WILL ALL BE TRANSFORMED, IF NOT ABOLISHED ALTOGETHER, AND THE NEW CURRENCY WILL BE METAL BACKED. EQUILIBRIUM WILL RULE.

***********snip***********

YES, EXACTLY SO. THE GLOBAL RESET IS SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY AND WILL MEAN THE COMPLETE REVAMP OF THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM. IT IS TO BE BACKED BY METAL. THIS IS WHY THE BASEL III PROTOCOLS HAVE BEEN DEVELOPED, AND WHY GOLD HAS BEEN MOVED TO EVERY CENTRAL BANK TO SUPPORT THE RESET. THIS WAS DONE BY THE FAMILY, AND ALL CREDIT GOES TO THE PLAN THEY HOLD TO BE ACCOMPLISHED FOR US ALL.

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Everyone should read this.
Everyone should try it, at least once.

I will...

Fire in the Hole
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YOU, and only YOU are responsible for maintaining the balance of power between you and the rest of the semi-sentient beings in this world. You cannot disclaim or delegate that responsibility; it is a function of being a living, breathing "adult" in this world. If you can't manage yourself on those terms, someone else *will* manage you on their terms. Your terms are irrelevant. Buy a rifle; prepare to defend yourself. If you don't, what happens is *your* fault. Period.
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Income tax...the tax is income for the Federal Government.

Income is the *measure of* value, not the value.
Value that can be measured coming in...comes from profits/revenue etc...

'Income checks' pre exist with value.
Examples of income:
Land Lords Rent payments.
Business revenue/profits.
Paid vacation.
Lottery winnings.

You can see from the above examples, value pre exists...the value does not come 'directly' from someones energy and labor, but rather *indirectly* from profits etc...

Regular working employees/laborers do NOT receive, earn, nor gain 'income' because.... the working employee's paycheck does NOT pre exist!

Through working, the employee uses their own energy and labor to *create* a paycheck!

If the employee does not work, the employees paycheck would not exist!

The irs is a 'revenue' collection agency collecting from Businesses that--> receive revenue.
Income tax is collected from Businesses that--> receive income! (do you get the idea?)

HOWEVER, when the irs collects from regular working folks, they are not collecting 'indirect value' from revenue or profit, they are collecting value *directly* from working folks energy and labor.

This causes working folks to become slaves to their labor, having to work and *create* value to pay income/profit to the Federal (Business) Government.

Also note...banks such as Wells Fargo are retail/commercial (Business) Banks.
How can we have an account at a Business bank unless...we are or at least appear as a Business?

Answer: A 'trade name' has been created from our natural name. A trade name is also a Business name (Wikipedia).

Trade/Business name example:
JOHN SMITH (capitalized) in writing = Trade name.
John Smith (initialized) in writing = Natural name.

Get a copy of your bank statement from the Bank teller manager, look on top where your name is capitalized, do you see 'Account title'?
An Account title defines as 'Account Name'
Can you see?
The capitalized version of your name, is identifying and is the Account's name (title), not you!

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Income tax...the tax is income for the Federal Government.

Income is the *measure of* value, not the value.
Value that can be measured coming in...comes from profits/revenue etc...

'Income checks' pre exist with value.
Examples of income:
Land Lords Rent payments.
Business revenue/profits.
Paid vacation.
Lottery winnings.

You can see from the above examples, the value pre exists...the value does not come 'directly' from someones energy and labor, but rather *indirectly* from profits etc...

Regular working employees/laborers do NOT receive, earn, nor gain 'income' because.... the working employee's paycheck does NOT pre exist. Through working, the employee uses their own energy and labor to *create* a paycheck!

If the employee does not work, the employees paycheck would not exist!

The irs is a revenue collection agency collecting from Businesses that-->receive revenue.
Income tax is collected from Businesses that--> receive income! (do you get the idea?)

HOWEVER, when the irs collects from regular working folks, they are not collecting 'indirect value' from revenue or profit, they are collecting value *directly* from working folks energy and labor.
This causes working folks to become slaves to their labor, having to work and *create* value to pay income/profit to the Federal (Business) Government.
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I can't even express how out dated and utterly shot down that line of reasoning and word play is.

If you would take the time to read the thread, you might find out the Tax is nothing more than a use fee for Notes issued by a private bank. The cases proving this point have posted already.

But, thanks for the bump!
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Income tax...the tax is income for the Federal Government.

Income is the *measure of* value, not the value.
Value that can be measured coming in...comes from profits/revenue etc...

'Income checks' pre- exist with value.
Examples of income:
Land Lords Rent payments.
Business revenue/profits.
Paid vacation.
Lottery winnings.

You can see from the above examples, the value pre- exists...the value does not come 'directly' from someones energy and labor, but rather *indirectly* from profits etc...

Regular working employees/laborers do NOT receive, earn, nor gain 'income' because....
the working employee's paycheck does NOT pre- exist. Through working, the employee uses their own energy and labor to *create* a paycheck!

If the employee does not work, the employees paycheck would not exist!

The irs is a revenue collection agency collecting from Businesses that-->receive revenue.
Income tax is collected from Businesses that--> receive income! (do you get the idea?)

HOWEVER, when the irs collects from regular working folks, they are not collecting 'indirect value' from revenue or profit, they are collecting value *directly* from working folks energy and labor.
This causes working folks to become slaves to their labor, having to work and *create* value to pay income/profit to the Federal (Business) Government.
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I can't even express how out dated and utterly shot down that line of reasoning and word play is.

If you would take the time to read the thread, you might find out the Tax is nothing more than a use fee for Notes issued by a private bank. The cases proving this point have posted already.

But, thanks for the bump!
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Do they call it a usage fee.... tax??
They call it an income... tax.

The tax IS income for those who collect it.

Burton's legal Thesaurus:
CAPITALIZE--> Utilize for profit/manipulate/take advantage of.
Utilize for profit = Incorporate for income.

Through name capitalization, creating a trade/Business name from our name, we have been "incorporated" into the Corporation, and the the Corporation harvests our energy and labor in the form of fiat currency for their profit.

My understanding....
the term "usage fees", is also known as "interest", collected when the "Lender" turns homeowner's credit over to fiat currency, attaches usage fees (interest) then pretends to give Homeowner something valuable for a loan.
But they gave the Homeowner an illusion, not a loan.

They cannot attach 'usage fees' to homeowner's credit.
But they can attach usage fees to "their" fiat currency.

My understanding is...
they also have a hidden lien on "their" fiat currency, which in turn, places a lien on everything purchased with their fiat currency.


But regardless whether or not homeowner's credit is turned over to fiat currency, the value for both credit and fiat, comes from the same place--> Homeowner's energy and labor.

The retail/commercial Banks "sell" the homeowner fiat currency that has no value.
When they collect usage fees they attached to the negative value fiat, they collect fiat from homeowners Bank Account with *positive* value (fiat or cash, backed by homeowner's energy/labor)

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Also adding to my above comment...
The reason why working folks are becoming poor is because working folks appear as an individual Business, not as a natural individual, on the system-generated documents.

Whoever downloads our personal information in their computer system, is capitalizing our names, creating trade/Business names on the system-generated documents.
Hard working folks are being billed as a business is billed!

Imagine a Business park with each section being a seperate Business.
Notice each Business will pay for water, electricity, Driver's registration, insurance, ground rent (property tax) etc...But why do Business pay for these things?

Because they use the building an land to bring in profit/revenue.
They pay these fees from profits/revenue. They pay these fees from *indirect* value.

NOW COMPARE the Business park with a town house community...
Each Homeowner of the town house has a trade/Business name.
Each homeowner pays for the EXACT same fees/charges that Businesses pay.

On the homeowners "loan" application, Homeowner is listed as "Occupant" (Occupant is someone that occupies the space at their occupation, ie: renter).

Can you see?
We are being billed as individual Businesses are billed just like the Business park example.

The local "treasury" dept charges us just to "own" water, just like a Business would be charged.

But...when the Homeowner mails in their 'labor-backed' cash as payment for the water bill, the treasury dept is "crediting" the Water bill account, then takes Homeowner's 'labor- backed' cash and deposits it at the local Bank (verified by treasury dept Accountant).

Unless you actually own a Business that receives profits to pay for this water, we should not be using our energy and labor to pay for or just to "own" water!

The treasury dept should be crediting Homeowners accounts WITHOUT the homeowner's labor-backed cash payment.

Homeowners 'labor-backed' cash will have *buying* power.
They harvest our energy and labor in the form of fiat currency (commercial paper) for gain/profit.

Folks need to understand--> we pay fees just like a Company/Business pays.

But if we do not actually own a Company or Business...then the fees we pay is coming 'directly' from our own energy and labor, not 'indirectly' from profits/revenue.

And that folks... will turn the hard working "middle class" into a harder working "poor class".

Instead of worrying about lawful this or lawful that... we should be worrying why we are charged the same as a Company/Business are charged.

We should be asking THE RIGHT QUESTIONS, questioning the local gov administrative depts, the retail/commercial banks, The irs, Fanny Mae, and every agency that is recording our personal information and what they are recording it as.
When they try to out wit you with semantics, then you resort to common sense.

Example:
Wells Fargo tries to tell me I do not have a Business account set up, but when I emailed/questioned her whether or not Wells Fargo was a Business bank, she finally replied "yes".

Common Sense:
How can we have an Account at a Business bank unless we appear as a Business or actually have a business?

When I emailed Wells Fargo to ask them about the "Authorized Signature" hidden in fine print on bottom right side of personal checks...The Wells Fargo Rep replied "your signature is authorizing...."

Common Sense:
If my signature was "authorizing", then it would say "authorizing signature", not "authorized signature".
My signature is "authorized", indicates someone else gave me authorization to use "my" account.

These are examples of 'common sense' when they use their semantics to try and prevent you from understanding.

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Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Income tax...the tax is income for the Federal Government.

Income is the *measure of* value, not the value.
Value that can be measured coming in...comes from profits/revenue etc...

'Income checks' pre exist with value.
Examples of income:
Land Lords Rent payments.
Business revenue/profits.
Paid vacation.
Lottery winnings.

You can see from the above examples, value pre exists...the value does not come 'directly' from someones energy and labor, but rather *indirectly* from profits etc...

Regular working employees/laborers do NOT receive, earn, nor gain 'income' because.... the working employee's paycheck does NOT pre exist!

Through working, the employee uses their own energy and labor to *create* a paycheck!

If the employee does not work, the employees paycheck would not exist!

The irs is a 'revenue' collection agency collecting from Businesses that--> receive revenue.
Income tax is collected from Businesses that--> receive income! (do you get the idea?)

HOWEVER, when the irs collects from regular working folks, they are not collecting 'indirect value' from revenue or profit, they are collecting value *directly* from working folks energy and labor.

This causes working folks to become slaves to their labor, having to work and *create* value to pay income/profit to the Federal (Business) Government.

Also note...banks such as Wells Fargo are retail/commercial (Business) Banks.
How can we have an account at a Business bank unless...we are or at least appear as a Business?

Answer: A 'trade name' has been created from our natural name. A trade name is also a Business name (Wikipedia).

Trade/Business name example:
JOHN SMITH (capitalized) in writing = Trade name.
John Smith (initialized) in writing = Natural name.

Get a copy of your bank statement from the Bank teller manager, look on top where your name is capitalized, do you see 'Account title'?
An Account title defines as 'Account Name'
Can you see?
The capitalized version of your name, is identifying and is the Account's name (title), not you!
 Quoting: Don ald

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Did you know the unconstitutional “Federal Reserve Bank” owned by Rothschild of City of London is a foreign entity and the IMF owns the Internal Revenue Service a foreign entity who gathers tax money for the Rothschild and the Queen of England? Do we really need these institutions or should we control our own currency ourselves as stated in the Original Organic Constitution of 1789?

It was shown to us by many writers, we need to remove the Act of 1871 Corporation – their control over the people and states of the United States of America. It has been posted on this site that we have a De Jure (lawful) Constitutional Republic form of Government standing waiting for the release of the funds so they can assist in the restoration of “Uncle Sam”.

*****************snip**************** Poof


REPUBLIC by the people to be officially announced (already recognized by the Hague), massive arrests of the Bad Hombres, removal of all those blocking the RV and the financial rebuilding of this country. Time for “We The People” to take over! Time for you the smart 99% to clean up the cesspool of corruption. TIME TO INVITE GOD BACK TO AMERICA!

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SEVERAL THINGS. FIRSTLY, THIS TAX FORMAT IS GOING TO DISAPPEAR ONCE THE GLOBAL RESET IS EFFECTED. THE ORGANIC CONSTITUTION SHALL BE RESTORED. THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT OVER TIME, AND THE ARRESTS WILL HAPPEN THEN. MUCH FORGIVENESS IS TO BE DONE IF THE PEOPLE CAN DO THAT (HOPE THEY DO). SOME TRANSGRESSIONS WILL NOT BE FORGIVEN THOUGH. BUT THE STEALING WILL STOP. THE CHINA FAMILY HAS BROUGHT FORWARD 6,000 TRILLION TO BE SPENT ON THE RECONSTRUCTION OVER THE NEXT 100 YEARS. THIS IS MEANT FOR US, ALL OF US. THIS PART OF THE MATRIX WEALTH IS FOR OUR HUMANITY AND FOR WHAT IS TO COME. IT IS UP TO ALL OF US TO PITCH IN AND MAKE IT HAPPEN NOW. ALL OF THESE EVENTS HAVE BROUGHT US TO THIS, AND WE ARE HERE NOW.

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Re: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul
Income tax...the tax is income for the Federal Government.

Income is the *measure of* value, not the value.
Value that can be measured coming in...comes from profits/revenue etc...

'Income checks' pre- exist with value.
Examples of income:
Land Lords Rent payments.
Business revenue/profits.
Paid vacation.
Lottery winnings.

You can see from the above examples, the value pre- exists...the value does not come 'directly' from someones energy and labor, but rather *indirectly* from profits etc...

Regular working employees/laborers do NOT receive, earn, nor gain 'income' because....
the working employee's paycheck does NOT pre- exist. Through working, the employee uses their own energy and labor to *create* a paycheck!

If the employee does not work, the employees paycheck would not exist!

The irs is a revenue collection agency collecting from Businesses that-->receive revenue.
Income tax is collected from Businesses that--> receive income! (do you get the idea?)

HOWEVER, when the irs collects from regular working folks, they are not collecting 'indirect value' from revenue or profit, they are collecting value *directly* from working folks energy and labor.
This causes working folks to become slaves to their labor, having to work and *create* value to pay income/profit to the Federal (Business) Government.
 Quoting: Don ald


I can't even express how out dated and utterly shot down that line of reasoning and word play is.

If you would take the time to read the thread, you might find out the Tax is nothing more than a use fee for Notes issued by a private bank. The cases proving this point have posted already.

But, thanks for the bump!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867

Do they call it a usage fee.... tax??
They call it an income... tax.

The tax IS income for those who collect it.

Burton's legal Thesaurus:
CAPITALIZE--> Utilize for profit/manipulate/take advantage of.
Utilize for profit = Incorporate for income.

Through name capitalization, creating a trade/Business name from our name, we have been "incorporated" into the Corporation, and the the Corporation harvests our energy and labor in the form of fiat currency for their profit.

My understanding....
the term "usage fees", is also known as "interest", collected when the "Lender" turns homeowner's credit over to fiat currency, attaches usage fees (interest) then pretends to give Homeowner something valuable for a loan.
But they gave the Homeowner an illusion, not a loan.

They cannot attach 'usage fees' to homeowner's credit.
But they can attach usage fees to "their" fiat currency.

My understanding is...
they also have a hidden lien on "their" fiat currency, which in turn, places a lien on everything purchased with their fiat currency.


But regardless whether or not homeowner's credit is turned over to fiat currency, the value for both credit and fiat, comes from the same place--> Homeowner's energy and labor.

The retail/commercial Banks "sell" the homeowner fiat currency that has no value.
When they collect usage fees they attached to the negative value fiat, they collect fiat from homeowners Bank Account with *positive* value (fiat or cash, backed by homeowner's energy/labor)
 Quoting: Don ald


There are so many problems with your post. Read the damn thread and learn something because you are lost at sea without a rudder. Every single line of what you posted has a fallacy in it that has been disproven in court cases and flys in the face of law, reason and common sense.

It's not "income" for he Federal reserve nor the Fed Government. The Federal government gets unlimited credit issued from the Fed member banks, the Federal Government needs your ignorant ass to endorse that debt onto yourself and your estate so IT does not have to pay it back in goods and services at FACE VALUE. The use fee income tax simply discharges the INTEREST on the principle of the debt, it is not INCOME of anything but new debt dumped right back onto treasury accounts then cycled back onto endorsers of the debt via open endorsements on checks, loans and fractional reserve deposits.

Please stop spamming this thread with your misconceptions and debunked 40 year old title 26 bullshit. Read the thread, your arguments have been destroyed already.

Redemption from the Federal reserve debt peonage is written in black and white in 12 USC 411 and the results are proof of concept.
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Income tax...the tax is income for the Federal Government.

Income is the *measure of* value, not the value.
Value that can be measured coming in...comes from profits/revenue etc...

'Income checks' pre- exist with value.
Examples of income:
Land Lords Rent payments.
Business revenue/profits.
Paid vacation.
Lottery winnings.

You can see from the above examples, the value pre- exists...the value does not come 'directly' from someones energy and labor, but rather *indirectly* from profits etc...

Regular working employees/laborers do NOT receive, earn, nor gain 'income' because....
the working employee's paycheck does NOT pre- exist. Through working, the employee uses their own energy and labor to *create* a paycheck!

If the employee does not work, the employees paycheck would not exist!

The irs is a revenue collection agency collecting from Businesses that-->receive revenue.
Income tax is collected from Businesses that--> receive income! (do you get the idea?)

HOWEVER, when the irs collects from regular working folks, they are not collecting 'indirect value' from revenue or profit, they are collecting value *directly* from working folks energy and labor.
This causes working folks to become slaves to their labor, having to work and *create* value to pay income/profit to the Federal (Business) Government.
 Quoting: Don ald


I can't even express how out dated and utterly shot down that line of reasoning and word play is.

If you would take the time to read the thread, you might find out the Tax is nothing more than a use fee for Notes issued by a private bank. The cases proving this point have posted already.

But, thanks for the bump!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867

Do they call it a usage fee.... tax??
They call it an income... tax.

The tax IS income for those who collect it.

Burton's legal Thesaurus:
CAPITALIZE--> Utilize for profit/manipulate/take advantage of.
Utilize for profit = Incorporate for income.

Through name capitalization, creating a trade/Business name from our name, we have been "incorporated" into the Corporation, and the the Corporation harvests our energy and labor in the form of fiat currency for their profit.

My understanding....
the term "usage fees", is also known as "interest", collected when the "Lender" turns homeowner's credit over to fiat currency, attaches usage fees (interest) then pretends to give Homeowner something valuable for a loan.
But they gave the Homeowner an illusion, not a loan.

They cannot attach 'usage fees' to homeowner's credit.
But they can attach usage fees to "their" fiat currency.

My understanding is...
they also have a hidden lien on "their" fiat currency, which in turn, places a lien on everything purchased with their fiat currency.


But regardless whether or not homeowner's credit is turned over to fiat currency, the value for both credit and fiat, comes from the same place--> Homeowner's energy and labor.

The retail/commercial Banks "sell" the homeowner fiat currency that has no value.
When they collect usage fees they attached to the negative value fiat, they collect fiat from homeowners Bank Account with *positive* value (fiat or cash, backed by homeowner's energy/labor)
 Quoting: Don ald


There are so many problems with your post. Read the damn thread and learn something because you are lost at sea without a rudder. Every single line of what you posted has a fallacy in it that has been disproven in court cases and flys in the face of law, reason and common sense.

It's not "income" for he Federal reserve nor the Fed Government. The Federal government gets unlimited credit issued from the Fed member banks, the Federal Government needs your ignorant ass to endorse that debt onto yourself and your estate so IT does not have to pay it back in goods and services at FACE VALUE. The use fee income tax simply discharges the INTEREST on the principle of the debt, it is not INCOME of anything but new debt dumped right back onto treasury accounts then cycled back onto endorsers of the debt via open endorsements on checks, loans and fractional reserve deposits.

Please stop spamming this thread with your misconceptions and debunked 40 year old title 26 bullshit. Read the thread, your arguments have been destroyed already.

Redemption from the Federal reserve debt peonage is written in black and white in 12 USC 411 and the results are proof of concept.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47330867
It is income tax, not taxed income.

The tax being collected IS income.
You added the word "usage" in front of income but say mine is fallace?
Disproven in court cases? Legal Courts?
I would not expect what I shared to be "approved" at a "legal" court, thats why folks must learn to ask the right questions, then ask retail commercial banks and other financial institutions 'directly'.

*Fiat currency printed out of thin air BEFORE working = *purchasing* power (acts like credit, they can print the fiat currency but cannot print it's value.

*Fiat currency employees/laborers obtains AFTER working =Buying power. (Buying power, backed by employees energy and labor).

We labor to back what they print and spend.
They use folks like a credit card.
There is no denying someone must work FIRST to 'create' a paycheck which they "cash in" for the fiat currency.
The fact that someone must work FIRST, indicates their energy and labor IS the value backing the fiat.The fact the Federal Government (or whoever) collects fiat currency AFTER employees work, also proves the fiat currency is backed by workers energy and labor.
It sounds like you are stuck on "legal law" and cannot "see" the natural law.

But that is my opinion.

I am here to learn, so I ask you to break down each line in my post you consider to have fallace, without adding words to terms such as "usage income tax"...

Make it easier to understand what you are conveying
Instead of saying each line has fallace, point out the fallace in each line.

The Fed gets "unlimited credit" because the employees and laborers are backing the Feds unlimited credit with their own energy and labor.

Did you know that homeowners are giving Fanny Mae a loan of credit?
This credit is backed by homeowner's energy and labor, just like the credit used to *purchase* homeowners house.

Banks such as Wells Faro are retail/commercial (Business banks collecting mortgages (dead pledges) from homeowners. What is homeowner pledging?
Homeowner is pledging their credit.
Where else do you think the credit for the Fed is coming from?
Do homeowners know they are pledging 15 to 30 years worth of credit to Fanny Mae, so Fanny Mae can have homeowners credit changed into fiat currency so Fanny Mae can invest it?

Fiat currency doesn't back itself, and is unlikely to get help from the printer.

When someone is quick to "judge" , indicates their true nature along with their true intent.
Unless you can explain the fallace in each of my lines you claim has fallace, will leave me with an unsettling impression of who (or what) you really are.

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