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No matter what the "exchange rate is" if you buy it with non-redeemed Federal Reserve Notes, the product you buy is presumed owned by the Federal Reserve. That is why you do not have any allodial title to anything, you only have "Certificates of title" and why you only have "tenant rights" and not "land ownership".

You did not lawfully pay for it, so its not yours.

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Suppose now I go down to the market. I want to buy a loaf of bread. Let's say the going rate today is $1 Federal Reserve for a loaf of bread. How much can I expect to pay in Lawful Money?


What part of "non-negotiable Federal Reserve notes of FACE VALUE" do you not get?

You get face value of the note, nothing more, nothing less.

The difference is DEBT. One note is a promise to pay and interest bearing, the other is an actual payment. Can you figure out which is which?


One is a piece of paper I might have, and exchange for goods or services at a rate agreed with a vendor. The other is a piece of paper I might have, and exchange for goods or services at a rate agreed with a vendor.

If the vendor is willing to exchange my $1 Federal Reserve for a loaf of bread, what do I care for the theory behind it? I'm only interested if the $1 Lawful Money is _actually_ worth more. If the price of bread was $2 Federal Reserve, but $1 Lawful Money, well, _THEN_ I would agree that Lawful Money is worth more. But otherwise, I can't see the difference at all.

If you buy the bread with a FRN it is first leaned by the Federal Reserve, and if they want it, they can take it.

If you buy it with lawful money it is yours in allodium, and cannot be taken without just compensation.

Same goes for cars, gold, land, houses, et al.

The choice is yours.

No matter what the "exchange rate is" if you buy it with non-redeemed Federal Reserve Notes, the product you buy is presumed owned by the Federal Reserve. That is why you do not have any allodial title to anything, you only have "Certificates of title" and why you only have "tenant rights" and not "land ownership".

You did not lawfully pay for it, so its not yours.


Ah, I see. So unless you stamp the back of them, or write your name in ALL CAPS, anything you buy with those notes belongs to the Federal Reserve. Understood. That's a very strange law I hadn't heard of, but stranger things have happened in America!

That's quite fascinating. Clearly in all big business transactions, they must use Lawful Money and not Federal Reserve Notes, because _they_ don't want to give all they have to the Federal Reserve. Funny thing, though: that must mean a huge proportion of the US workforce must be employed in just stamping banknotes, every time a billion-dollar deal gets done! I've never heard of the labourers in these crowded stamping-rooms. Do they have another way of doing it?

If you buy the bread with a FRN it is first leaned by the Federal Reserve, and if they want it, they can take it.

If you buy it with lawful money it is yours in allodium, and cannot be taken without just compensation.

Same goes for cars, gold, land, houses, et al.

The choice is yours.


When did the Federal Reserve last exercise this power?

Who is keeping the logs of whether or not the banknotes used were appropriately stamped on the back or not?

How about if no banknotes were ever used, but instead a direct bank transfer - is that the bit about writing your name in ALL CAPS?

When? The last time anyone paid for anything with Federal Reserve credit or money.

"Federal Reserve notes represent a first lien on all the assets of the Federal Reserve Banks, and on the collateral specifically held against them."

"The notes have no value for themselves, but for what they will buy. In another sense, because they are legal tender, Federal Reserve notes are "backed" by all the goods and services in the economy."
[link to ustreas.gov (secure)]

The US treasury has it, right there in black and white. ALL goods and services in the economy are first leaned by the Federal Reserve.

I have proof, via non-endorsement and bank records that is not the case for me. Remember, it is all about what you can PROVE.

I can prove, with bank records, receipts and canceled checks that I have demanded Congress, the Banks and the Federal Reserve obey the law of the land, that being the Constitution and not the rules they make via endorsement and contractual agreement.

I have the protections of the law because I obey the law.

Lawful money is different than fiat money in the same way a free man is different than a peon.

Peon: a person held in compulsory servitude to a master for the working out of an indebtedness.

If you do not redeem lawful money you are "held in compulsory servitude to a master for the working out of an indebtedness" to the Federal Reserve, there it is.

There are no debtors prisons in the US but there are thousands of people in prison for indebtedness, that is why.

Lawful money is different than fiat money in the same way a free man is different than a peon.

Peon: a person held in compulsory servitude to a master for the working out of an indebtedness.

If you do not redeem lawful money you are "held in compulsory servitude to a master for the working out of an indebtedness" to the Federal Reserve, there it is.

There are no debtors prisons in the US but there are thousands of people in prison for indebtedness, that is why.


So: suppose you buy a house for $100,000. I lend you $100,000 to buy it, and you go and do the deal. Now you must repay me my money.

You do not do so.

What can I do about it? Does it make any difference whether the $100,000 was 'Lawful Money' or 'Federal Reserve money'?

"I'm glad to hear you've kept your own records, so if the Federal Reserve ever come around to seize your possessions you'll be able to prove they have no right to do so. But here we are back to my earlier question: when did the Federal Reserve last do that to anybody?"

The Federal reserve does not enforce the liens, the IRS does that.

The IRS is the collection and enforcement agent for the Federal Reserve.

Are you really going to try to say the IRS has never seized any property or money? What gives them that right if it is not the presumption it is theirs to seize?

And the courts consistently back them on it until the DEFENDANT is proven not-guilty and broke anyway.

My documented demands for Lawful money stops the presumption that what I have is theirs.

so I have XXX amount in savings.

I go to a bank and demand that I withdrawl my funds in Lawful monmey?.

And I can then re-deposit this Lawful money back into my account or keep it safe at home?

"I'm glad to hear you've kept your own records, so if the Federal Reserve ever come around to seize your possessions you'll be able to prove they have no right to do so. But here we are back to my earlier question: when did the Federal Reserve last do that to anybody?"

The Federal reserve does not enforce the liens, the IRS does that.

The IRS is the collection and enforcement agent for the Federal Reserve.

Are you really going to try to say the IRS has never seized any property or money? What gives them that right if it is not the presumption it is theirs to seize?

And the courts consistently back them on it until the DEFENDANT is proven not-guilty and broke anyway.

My documented demands for Lawful money stops the presumption that what I have is theirs.


_Ah_... now I get it. We've been at cross-purposes all the time. I came in later in the discussion and I've been thinking this was an actual currency issue. All this talk of Lawful Money being 'worth' more than Federal Reserve Notes, as if one dollar Lawful would buy you more goods or services than one dollar Federal Reserve.

In fact it's nothing at all to do with the value of money in terms of what it can be exchanged for. It's a theory that if you jump through the right hoops then you'll be exempt from taxation on a technicality.

Well, then if that's true then you'll certainly get more for your earnings this way, since you'll not be paying taxes at all! Best of luck to you, then, but from what I've heard whenever cases like these actually come to court phrases like 'frivolous' get used and summary fines imposed - regardless of how well you've documented your careful distinction between dollars and dollars.

If I paid something off (house,car,etc.) with frns, is it really paid off or do I need to do something else?

There have been ZERO cases brought against anyone doing this, and they have been doing this for decades. You cannot beat lawful remedy 12 USC is their law.

And your statement that I do not pay any taxes is pure ignorance, everyone pays huge taxes, lawful money or not.

Personal income tax however, is a pure use tax on a certain product, that product is credit issued to the US by the Federal Reserve.

There are no "hoops" there is only law, in this case it is contract law and services provided to an entire nation.

Good day to you.

Just one other thing regarding the tax-dodge aspect of all this.

Supposing an American takes a job with a German company, and does work for them remotely - the wonders of the Internet! He earns euros. Does he owe taxes on these? Euros are clearly not Federal Reserve Notes in any way!

I'm pretty sure Americans working for foreign companies and earning foreign currency still get charged taxes on that, don't they?

Just one other thing regarding the tax-dodge aspect of all this.

Supposing an American takes a job with a German company, and does work for them remotely - the wonders of the Internet! He earns euros. Does he owe taxes on these? Euros are clearly not Federal Reserve Notes in any way!

I'm pretty sure Americans working for foreign companies and earning foreign currency still get charged taxes on that, don't they?


Well, considering you are using a Central Reserve Bank or currency for transactions, yes, if you are not restricting your signature and pledging yourself to the national debt, you owe income tax. It is your choice.

Are you a subject of the US government or the German government?

Your citizenship papers determine which government you are the subject of, that is the way voluntary servitude works. Since the IMF controls both the Euro and the Federal Reserve Note, only the middle men would be different.

Either way, you are a peon to them and they profit from your voluntary servitude and peonage.

Maybe you need to consult a tax attorney or call the IRS, they are very helpful at taking your currency, it is their job, after all.

I do not give legal advise.

The receipt of money is not the taxable event, it is the endorsement or non-endorsement that is the taxable event.

Since the majority accept endorsement of fiat currency it is presumed everyone who touches any fiat currency endorses its use as fiat currency.

I demand otherwise.

The receipt of money is not the taxable event, it is the endorsement or non-endorsement that is the taxable event.


Ah. I thought that Americans were taxed on "income from whatever source derived", regardless of the form that income might take. Be it income from barter, be it dollars (Federal Reserve) or dollars (Lawful Money) or euros or Thai baht or whatever you care to name, it needs to be declared. That's the impression I always got.


Since the majority accept endorsement of fiat currency it is presumed everyone who touches any fiat currency endorses its use as fiat currency.

I demand otherwise.


I'm sure the IRS will humbly bow to your demands. Once they notice, anyway.

Meanwhile I've been researching this issue a little for myself: found this.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The argument that Federal reserve notes are not taxable income when paid to a taxpayer because the notes are not gold and silver and may not be redeemed for gold and silver, and variations of this argument, have been officially identified as legally frivolous Federal tax return positions for purposes of the $5,000 frivolous tax return penalty imposed under Internal Revenue Code section 6702(a)."

This distinction between Federal Reserve and 'lawful money' does seem to be a variant of that argument. So you are wise to be very careful in your record keeping, as you described earlier: an IRS inspector who is not as learned in the law as yourself might well impose a large fine on you. Not that you'll have any problem with that, since you can pay that fine with worthless Federal Reserve notes: the IRS doesn't mind if they haven't been stamped on the back.