Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

Thanks, I will check out the site and see what I can find out. rken

Thanks levi, I always like your comments. I have run across much of the same info. Have you been listening to David_clarance or Patrick Devine's latest?

Wow thanks for tip. Lots going on with that thread

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The sole issue is the root of the tree (endorsement), and without proof of endorsing private credit, there is no income."
The more people who grasp and implement this concept, the faster the Federal Reserve goes "bye-bye".

Signature endorsement IS THE TAX EVENT, PERIOD.

There is no income tax obligation or liability associated with redeemed lawful money cash when the DEMAND has been made. The form (FRN) that the cash takes is of no consequence. An FRN in your hand takes the form (per the law) of lawful money found at Title 12 U.S.C. §411 when your demand is made.

Look at an FRN, the seal on the left is the Federal Reserve. The seal on the right is the 1789 orginal estate Department of the Treasury of the United States.

They put the "choice" right in front of our face while obfuscating the inherent remedy written into the law so as to avoid culpability and acts of treason via forced servitude into paying back THEIR debt.

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Credit to Michael Joseph and David Merrill for that one. I found it just as brilliant and enlightening when I processed that tidbit of info.

The system, and its "officals", will always give the Notice prior to demanding perfomance or obligation from you. Their "art" is obfusaction, conditioning and "bully" fear tactics into voluntary compliance. However, when faced with a man or woman on the land who properly and lawfully asserts his/her sovereign character through knowledge and application of the law WHICH BINDS THEM, the "bully" is defeated and the coward appears. Otherwise, the "officers" (servants) will recognize and perform their charitable duty, as they know they should according to their oath sworn before God, to protect and defend the sovereign heirs to the land in His name from any and all who would try to usurp or infringe upon those "Blessings of Liberty" and "certain unalienable rights" bestowed upon us by our Creator.

Translation: Remedy exists, as it MUST, else the "system" is tyrannical and those who compel others into debt and servitude cannot avoid culpability for their actions either by man or by God Almighty.

On the subject of writing laws and natural law of human society.

Humans can assemble into groups and write things down on paper and call these writings "LAW."

To the degree that these law writings are congruent with and supportive of natural law then these written laws will contribute to a happy and peaceful human society.

To make an extreme example - suppose "Congress" got together and decided that they were tired of looking at a blue sky and in the future the sky should be pink. They conceive of a plan with input from military and industrial consultants by which the sky could be made pink. A law is written and funds allocated by which massive quantities of a food safe dye is manufactured and sprayed into the air via planes in an aerosol.

So long as the planes keep spraying the air is rendered pink in that area. But when the spraying stops the air reverts back to blue.

Now, things are never that dumb - even with congress-critters involved.

However, smaller errors can creep into the writings of man's law. (credit to Hypertiger - The over excited Tabby frequently wrote about "LAW" vs "law" [man's law].)

These errors in writing about what money consists of are of the axiomatic variety. And like errors in mathematics will permeate down through the calculations popping out in unexpected and diverse places causing wreckage in society where they appear.

All of the writings I have supplied to this point (previous 23 pages of this thread) are an effort to reveal some underlying truth.

Of this much I am absolutely certain: MONEY IS A CULTURAL DECISION MAKING MACHINE AND IF YOU WISH TO MAKE SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN YOUR CULTURE YOU MUST ALTER THE MONEY SYSTEM

(2) All considerations of "value" are imaginary. The ultimate value consideration is genetically driven and individual specific. Each individual will decide at any moment in time to make choices that carry his/her genetic stock forward into the future. A man is a gene's way of creating another gene. When personal survival becomes impossible the decisions will be toward survival of children, grandchildren, and blood relatives.

(3) Kocherlakota is correct; any piece of money no matter of what it consists is a social mnemonic device - symbolic in nature. The usage of specie coin becomes essentially an anti-counterfeiting device. (see previous posts on what counterfeiting consists of)

(4) Interest bearing hypothecated debt as a basis for a monetary system contains within the model the seeds of its own destruction. The Kondratieff cycle is simply the playout of the internal contradiction that is engineered into the design.

(5) Gesell is correct; demurrage provides a better model. Even Marvin Goodfriend agrees but it would have been nice had Good Friend given credit to Gesell in his piece. (See "Little Rooster" writing about "The Monkey Trap" on page 14 of this thread.)

This post is found on the money thread page 23: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 23)

You are well advised to read through that thread and pursue the links. Report back with your own observations in six months. (if your reading is fast and comprehension top-shelf)

No, can you supply links?

The greatest problem with the federal reserve system, is the lack of education, about how it works...Intentional I might add...

I do not have all the answers, but I believe I can shed some light...

When a deposit is made in lawful money, lawful, meaning money earned through our labor...That deposit is fractionalized into
legal tender...It is the legal tender corporations borrow to produce goods and services...

We have a claim, or reservation on these products, because our initial deposit is the principal that allowed fractionalization to take place...

If everything was sold on a wholesale basis, no retail, no mark-up, we could simply make a claim on the product based on our deposit slip, as this is proof that we are the principle..
A wholesale product is a balanced equation, in that the value attached to the product is equal to the money in circulation..

BTW, the legal tender in circulation is only an insurance bond, it is intended to be used to replace or fix something, and, it has interest attached...The interest is based on the decay rate...

Unfortunately, all products are sold retail...This presents a problem, as the balanced equation of wholesale has been unbalanced...An execution of law takes place when we make a retail purchase, kind of a holding period, until the equation can be re-balanced...

This is where the IRS comes in...When the execution was made on the retail transaction, the money was thrown in to the public domain, or to be more precise, it is floating currency under jurisdiction of admiralty law...

If no one makes a claim on this floating currency, it eventually ends up returned to the land, in the form of added value of homes, cars, and products...Hence, we have inflation...

Now I am not 100% certain of how to make this claim...I believe the answer lies in claiming our retail transactions as income, and paying the TAX...This of course is contrary to most peoples thinking, as everyone is trying not to pay tax...

But tax has to be examined, for what it really is, a cross over that allows legal tender to be exchanged for lawful money or vice versa...The precise method for doing the cross over, I am not certain, and I am working on it...

The information I gave here, is, I believe valuable to you...It may be well worth your time to have a conversation with the IRS or a representative for your area...

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The original Federal Reserve Act only provided for a 20 year charter of the bank.

The year 1933 was the end of the charter. In order to save the bank from being dissolved, FDR confiscated all of the gold (lawful money).

Get it, now? With "we the people" no longer having access to gold as "lawful money", the best alternative is the elastic currency of the Federal Reserve, thus extending the Fed beyond its 20 years.

The "Nanny" state can not exist without an elastic currency.
It goes one level deeper.

Look at the first sentence of the Fed Act attached. It was not so much to save the Fed banks themselves as the people who had Fed notes knew with the charters running out, with elastic currency there were far more notes than gold to be had - stellionation. It was to avoid a race to the Fed bank to redeem gold and gold certificates - a bank run.

Like I point out in my videos the Emergency was lifted in the '70s but the stipulation that the President or the Secretary can declare a Bankers' Holiday anytime is awaiting what we are up to - the people clawing through the disguise.

The only small word I might add is this:
The sole issue is the root of the tree (endorsement), and without proof of endorsing private credit, there is no taxable income.

If the presumptions of law and commercial code are that final discharge of differences in accounts shall be made by presentations of specie coin and government has confiscated specie coin then the redemptionists are correct; they are the ultimate creditors.

When Roosevelt rounded up and confiscated gold the federal reserve note became by default a credit instrument. The Fifth Plank of the Communist Manifesto was implemented; the credit of the people was claimed to be the property of the government. The government allocated the credit of the people via "license" to the banks who were empowered to make "loans" of credit back to the people.

THIS IS A TAKING WITHOUT RECOMPENSE.

The federal reserve system is a mutual credit system with bad bookkeeping. No entry is made to the credit of the people.

The federal reserve system is a wealth and power aggregation scheme that runs 24/7 for the benefit of the elite who run the system.

The matter of trusts, trustee, and beneficiary is of great importance to this thread.

You might start here: [link to spiritualeconomicsnow.net]

Glad to see you back 692708 and welcome to our new knowledgeable guests. Thanks for your posts. rken

Thanks I will check it out. rken

I ran across this and wondered what you think of it.

Demand for Lawful Money filed with the county

Redemption of Lawful Money

The presumption that (your name) has, and does knowingly and willingly participate in the endorsement of private credit from the Federal Reserve, is hereby rebutted with prejudice. Had I known that I had a choice to redeem lawful money, I would have done so from the very beginning. God’s Law demands equal weights and measures and proper balances. The Federal Reserve is a foreign, private, banking cartel which is in business for profit, and has the power to manipulate its currency to create inflation or deflation at their whim, causing the people who use their private system of credit to suffer loss of value and/or purchasing power. Since the Federal Reserve is foreign to the true States united of America, it is not subject to audit or scrutiny unless it consents, leaving people without the ability to monitor its actions and practices. This is a system repugnant to the Supreme Law of our Creator who demands honesty and fairness for all people. I therefore state that I was never informed of the workings of this system by the acting government, or any of its agents or franchises, who are bound by their oaths to the Constitution(s) for these several States united of America, to protect and inform the people of any and all threats to justice and peace by all enemies, foreign and domestic. I hereby proclaim and state that, when presented the choice in good faith, I will redeem lawful money by my God-given right, and pursuant to §16 of the Federal Reserve Act of 1913 codified at Title 12 U.S.C. §411.

“Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank.”

This therefore separates Me from the obligations and burdens of the Federal Reserve System and/or any of its partners, franchises or collection agencies. Any and all transactions that may have been endorsed in the private credit of the Federal Reserve are the result of fraudulent conditioning, compelled indoctrination by the government funded and controlled public school system and wrongful societal influence and pressure. Any debt action in assumpsit against Me is the result of unlawful process based on an unconscionable contract which assumes: full disclosure, willing and voluntary agreement, and endorsement of private credit from the Federal Reserve. I therefore claim my rightful place as creditor rather than debtor since it is the substance of the people (labor and property) which was offered up by the federal government as collateral against its debt, and which provides the backing behind the Federal Reserve notes and credit used in the current monetary system by the majority of people on this land.

Quoting from the Congressional Record of 1933;

“…The money will be worth 100 cents on the dollar, because it is backed by the credit of the Nation. It will represent a mortgage on all the homes and other property of all the people in the Nation.”

Osbogosley asks:


To which I replied:


Did a search: [link to www.google.com]

David Clarance didn't give any results that seemed relevant, but David Clarence did get results.

This would seem to be Patrick Devine: [link to 1099oid.homestead.com]

When you expand a currency based on principal, the principal being the land, and all the products produced from that land..
It is in effect, an interest draw from the principal...All interest must accrue back to the principal...Hence, you see the inflation issue we have...

From rken post at 10:12 AM; "The Federal Reserve is a foreign, private, banking cartel which is in business for profit, and has the power to manipulate its currency to create inflation or deflation at their whim, [correct to this point] causing the people who use their private system of credit to suffer loss of value [INCORRECT] and/or purchasing power.

Conceptual error: considerations of value are embedded in physical descriptions of the products and commodities.

The value of the products and commodities is stable; the price structure as expressed by the federal reserve notes is not stable.

Consider as a simpler example that makes the point; the gold and silver charts. The graphs are incorrectly drawn. The price is seen to go upward however, the charts should show the value of the notes as a steady descent. The gold and/or silver is the constant value against which the value of the notes is compared.

The general rule is that value is fairly stable and price is unstable.

Very nice, putting into a file in The District Court, I think, would be much more effective than just the County.

I understand District courts are the original jurisdictional courts of the land (Article III courts, when directed to be by one of the people). David M has useful information on that matter.

Yes, quite the mess we have gotten ourselves into. I really like this method of redemtion as it is simple. Every one can participate, with out a law degree. If everyone, redeems their FRN for lawful money the FED is finished. It would probably not take that many people because the banks are so leveraged at this time. Some 4000 people have viewed this thread so far. Not sure how many will apply this remedy, but at least its worth a try. I see other sites are talking about it also. This could create a non-violent transition to occur in regards to reshaping this country. rken

Not too clear; what I am trying to say about the gold and silver charts is that the elements of the graph ie the X and Y axis need to be reversed.

[link to cstl.syr.edu] (elements of a graph)

Thanks User ID: 692708

District court it is then. I'm heading back to the US for a short visit later this month. Sounds like I will be very busy getting all the papers filed I need to get filed. I have been studying various redemtion methods for a while now. I feel like this gets to the root of the problem. I will of course follow through with other paper work I have in the works. Take a look at the link in my signature and tell me what you think of it as a basic document in re to ending contracts. I plan on filing this on my return. suggestion are welcome rken

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Agreed. PM's have remained constant it the FRD that has depreciated. But of course that cannot be posted as you suggest that would wake people up to the massive theft that is happening. rken

Remember, we are talking about a world wide thing. Central banking, and the reserve system is virtually the same in all industrialized countries...I realize most people are talking about the fed in the U.S., but all countries and corporations are intertwined...A crash of the fed, would have to be a major change of banking worldwide...

Redeeming frn's for lawful money, may resolve a tax issue, for individuals...But the underlying problem of inflation is here...Working for money, lawful or legal, to pay for retail, without a way of recovering the money, still puts a person on the losing end of the equation...

I think the answer lies, in understanding, how central banking operates, and the true nature of what TAX is...

You are more than welcome, I appreciate the tone and information on this thread from everyone!

Remember, no matter where or what you file, record and have the clerk record on the receipt that any fees are paid "with lawful money per 12-USC 411".

In district court, it has been reported the way the papers are stamped is actually different when filing with lawful money. It seems lawful money demands put one standing in (or on) different jurisdiction, if you know what I mean.

If you are on the sj.club.net, you can PM David M and get info on becoming a "suitor" in a court of competent jurisdiction.

I am missing something here. Not sure how retail vs. wholesale and recovering the money all equates. Could you explain this a little more. I can see it if we are talking FRN but how does it also apply to lawful money. Thanks Rken

Beloveds, we are taking down everything in this world that must collapse. Included in that collapse will be many organizations, particularly some corporations. There may be collapse of the ability to fully deliver food and necessities, and we have huge stockpiles to assist this. No one will go hungry or without your proverbial toilet paper, in terms of what is considered necessary.



We have long been telling you, you must prepare and now is still a good time to have some stocks of necessities. There will be considerable unemployment from this. Now is there a plan in that, yes. As we collapse the financial industry, you will have all your debts written off. Will not written off, they will no longer exist. We are collapsing the banking system completely. So there will be no house payments, credit card payments, student loans, any type of banking debt. Nor any tax debt either. So you will not face loosing of homes and autos. But there may be great restrictions in gasoline for them.



For those that rent, nearly all tenements have loans, which will also be written off. People may well have to force their landlords to reduce or eliminate rents. There will considerably less need to spend money. People will be solving their problems which can include moving of families together and the like. Man will have to solve some of his issues around this.



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Yes I just joined sj today. A wealth of info. Will take me years to understand some of it. But what a journey and well worth the time. All my monetary trans actions will be in lawful money from this point forward. As it would seem to be the obvious way to proceed. I understand what you mean by jurisdiction. One being lawful (dejure) the other being de facto. So much to learn. Thanks for the help. rken

Thanks for sharing your concerns and words of encouragement. rken

Short of a cleansing by fire, the Central Banking system will not be brought down.

This is about taking me and my loved ones off the list of human capitol and collateral for the central banking system.

Again, the personal income tax issue is, in my life, the least important attribute of 12-USC 411. The ramifications on just a spiritual level far outweigh anything else for me.

The 'legal' ramifications of actual ownership, sacrifice of value and compensation for labor and living outside of maritime/admiralty jurisdiction (or at least control of my commercial activities in that jurisdiction) far outweigh any damage to the Federal Reserve.

That is just an added bonus.

The Federal Reserve is promised "face value in goods and services" from the US, for every FRN, not a bad deal at all. Well, they can have their face value, paid by those choose to be chattel and have every single thing they produce, buy or do pledged (including their children)to make that payment.

absolutely fantastic thread.

Why is this not pinned ??