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Woke up early this morning, feeling like I'm a bit flu-ish. So I rolled on downstairs and snuggled up on the love seat watching out the french doors while the dog and cat take turns in my lap. I swear, there are shadows playing together out there... I look up, nothing that could be making them, yet I see their shadows frolicking... what's up with that? Maybe I should get up early more often!

are we posting in this thread due to these manifestations within ourselves, or is this thread the direct cause???

-or are we just smoking some good shit?? -inquiring minds and all that..

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the contents of this thread possess motive therefore directly reflect/enact/enpower the motive of a reader

In short. They are fully aware they are the embodiment of both male and female. They know no division. Some of them just fuck with us smoking their cigars and playing strip poker and drinking and gambling throwing lots. Like betting on who is going to retrieve or maintain or forget this information or be able to see the info inverse remember inverse visibility maybe. They are a hoot. The embodiment of the middle finger. I think they are sitting around splicing film together.

Although both cause sensation of movement, the phi phenomenon can be considered to be an apparent movement caused by luminous impulses in sequence, whereas the beta movement is an apparent movement caused by luminous stationary impulses.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

dna remoted like this:



Thread: The field of HUMAN ENERGY (Page 44)

so it seems we have experienced eternity to us (cosmic egg/saturn anode glow) of unborn awareness followed by 40,000 years approx of now born developing awareness which in the analogy of us equates to our being approx 3 years old in awareness terms

thus we are now experiencing eternal awareness within others whom are not of our origin of location but of origin outside of our cosmic egg environmental location whom are introducing eternal awareness to our self awareness

Cherokee Star Warriors

Thread: Cherokee Star Warriors

that explains why when i was contacted by a lakota i got colors
a lakota women took me through what i believe to be "who/what are you" events much of which were emotional experiences over a period and part of my experience was color that had "life"

it appeared in shape , one color only each occasions, was fluid of movement and whilst it moved, i was emotionally effected, nicely but strong as in : it was just the color and me and i was not prompted to be anything else but focused on the color
different colors with sometimes with same color returning and the ones that returned were the ones i liked most but i liked all
i informed her each time and she never commented which, after a while surprised me because i knew it was an important part of the "process" of understanding but i had no clue what

maybe 2 months of that and 6 or 8 color experiences within that time
i imagine she knew and didn`t desire to tell
we got on well after the colors experience until i went away quite a while later

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There are no seasons, no tropics and no ice-caps. A planet does not have to rotate, its axis can point in any direction and its orbit can be eccentric. The radiant energy received by the planet will be strongest at the blue and red ends of the spectrum. Photosynthesis relies on red light. Sky light would be a pale purple (the classical "purple dawn of creation"). L-type Brown Dwarfs have water as a dominant molecule in their spectra, along with many other biologically important molecules and elements. Its "children" would accumulate atmospheres and water would mist down.

what color skin would golden age purple dawn saturn anode glow be



with a lot of ultra violet effect to

i agree but where did "answer" come from ?

Is the 4 bloodlines like what the Natives say red, yellow, white, black?

The words you use, such as "prayer shawl" and "devil worship" are the white words of organized religion and would not be common, or even used, in Native ceremonies. As to red and black being taboo in the arena, I know many Cherokee dancers, and most of them wear red and black since those are two of the sacred colors of the Cherokee. Those are called Cardinal Colors, and they are red for the east, white for the south, black for the west, blue for the north, brown for the earth below, yellow for the heavens above and green for the physical center of the points. The Cherokee do not call their colors a Medicine Wheel as many Nations do, but black, white, red and yellow are present in Medicine Wheels. They also represent the four races of man.

Anyone who practices their Native ways, or who honors their heritage, also honors the colors of their tribe. It's a way of life; a tradition handed down by the ancients. Everything in Native life has meaning, and those meanings are not taken lightly.

Aristotle proposed a fifth element, aether, in addition to the four proposed earlier by Empedocles.
Earth, which is cold and dry; this corresponds to the modern idea of a solid.
Water, which is cold and wet; this corresponds to the modern idea of a liquid.
Air, which is hot and wet; this corresponds to the modern idea of a gas.
Fire, which is hot and dry; this corresponds to the modern idea of heat.
Aether, which is the divine substance that makes up the heavenly spheres and heavenly bodies (stars and planets).

Each of the four earthly elements has its natural place. All that is earthly tends toward the center of the universe, i.e. the center of the Earth. Water tends toward a sphere surrounding the center. Air tends toward a sphere surrounding the water sphere. Fire tends toward the lunar sphere (in which the Moon orbits). When elements are moved out of their natural place, they naturally move back towards it. This is "natural motion"—motion requiring no extrinsic cause. So, for example, in water, earthy bodies sink while air bubbles rise up; in air, rain falls and flame rises. Outside all the other spheres, the heavenly, fifth element, manifested in the stars and planets, moves in the perfection of circles.

Aristotle defined motion as the actuality of a potentiality as such. Aquinas suggested that the passage be understood literally; that motion can indeed be understood as the active fulfillment of a potential, as a transition toward a potentially possible state. Because actuality and potentiality are normally opposites in Aristotle, other commentators either suggest that the wording which has come down to us is erroneous, or that the addition of the "as such" to the definition is critical to understanding it

And then there is the Haldane dilemma, which amounts to an understanding of the time spans which would be needed to spread ANY genetic change through any group of creatures. A very simple version of the thing is all most intelligent people should need:



"Imagine a population of 100,000 apes or "proto-humans" ten million years ago which are all genetically alike other than for two with a "beneficial mutation". Imagine also that this population has the human or proto-human generation cycle time of roughly 20 years.

Imagine that the beneficial mutation in question is so good, that all 99,998 other die out immediately (from jealousy), and that the pair with the beneficial mutation has 100,000 kids and thus replenishes the herd.

Imagine that this process goes on like that for ten million years, which is more than anybody claims is involved in "human evolution". The max number of such "beneficial mutations" which could thus be substituted into the herd would be ten million divided by twenty, or 500,000 point mutations which, Walter Remine notes, is about 1/100 of one percent of the human genome, and a miniscule fraction of the 2 to 3 percent that separates us from chimpanzees, or the half of that which separates us from neanderthals".



That basically says that even given a rate of evolutionary development which is fabulously beyond anything which is possible in the real world, starting from apes, in ten million years the best you could possibly hope for would be an ape with a slightly shorter tail.

People who have carried out the math for real-world rates of substitution come up with it taking quadrillions of years for our present living world to have evolved in any fashion even if that were possible, which it isn't.

So evolution needs quadrillions of years... how much time do they (evolutionites) actually have? A very big part of the answer has been coming in lately in the form of blood, blood vessels, and raw meat turning up in dinosaur remains:

In other words, Midrashic sources and Amerind oral traditions are basically correct in describing human interaction with dinosaurs just a few thousand years ago (there is no way raw meat and blood can survive for millions of years) and the thing we've heard all our lives about dinosaurs dying out 65M years ago is a bunch of BS.

A theory which needs quadrillions of years and only has a few thousand is basically FUBAR; no reasonably well educated person should ever buy into it.

What about humans, hominids such as the Neanderthal, and the stories we keep seeing in the news about some new human ancestor of the year which is supposedly going to save evolutionism, and what about the 30,000 and 200,000 year time frames involved in those stories?

In order to be descended from something via any process resembling evolution, at some point, you have to be able to interbreed with the something. Thus the curious total lack of any real evidence of modern man ever interbreeding with Neanderthals was always viewed as a big mystery particularly since there was evidence of the two groups living in close proximity for long periods. James Shreeve described the problem in an article published in Discover magazine in the mid 90s:

"Humans love to mate. They mate all the time, by night and by day, through all the phases of the female’s reproductive cycle. Given the opportunity, humans throughout the world will mate with any other human. The barriers between races and cultures, so cruelly evident in other respects, melt away when sex is at stake. Cortés began the systematic annihilation of the Aztec people--but that did not stop him from taking an Aztec princess for his wife. Blacks have been treated with contempt by whites in America since they were first forced into slavery, but some 20 percent of the genes in a typical African American are white. Consider James Cook’s voyages in the Pacific in the eighteenth century. Cook’s men would come to some distant land, and lining the shore were all these very bizarre-looking human beings with spears, long jaws, browridges, archeologist Clive Gamble of Southampton University in England told me. God, how odd it must have seemed to them. But that didn’t stop the Cook crew from making a lot of little Cooklets.

Project this universal human behavior back into the Middle Paleolithic. When Neanderthals and modern humans came into contact in the Levant, they would have interbred, no matter how strange they might initially have seemed to each other. If their cohabitation stretched over tens of thousands of years, the fossils should show a convergence through time toward a single morphological pattern, or at least some swapping of traits back and forth.

But the evidence just isn’t there, not if the TL and ESR dates are correct. Instead the Neanderthals stay staunchly themselves. In fact, according to some recent ESR dates, the least Neanderthalish among them is also the oldest. The full Neanderthal pattern is carved deep at the Kebara cave, around 60,000 years ago. The moderns, meanwhile, arrive very early at Qafzeh and Skhul and never lose their modern aspect. Certainly, it is possible that at any moment new fossils will be revealed that conclusively demonstrate the emergence of a Neandermod lineage. From the evidence in hand, however, the most likely conclusion is that Neanderthals and modern humans were not interbreeding in the Levant..."



And then in the late 1990s results of DNA studies of Neanderthal remains began to come in and cleared up the mystery:
Fossil DNA proves Neanderthals were not ancestors of humans
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"He said his team ran four separate tests for authenticity - checking whether other amino acids had survived, making sure the DNA sequences they found did not exist in modern humans, making sure the DNA could be replicated in their own lab and then getting other labs to duplicate their results. Comparisons with the DNA of modern humans and of apes showed the Neanderthal was about halfway between a modern human and a chimpanzee."

That's right: the Neanderthal was basically an advanced ape whose DNA was almost exactly halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee, and we could no more interbreed with Neanderthals than we could with horses. Even the prestigeious PlosBiology system gave up on the idea (No Evidence of Neandertal mtDNA Contribution to Early Modern Humans).
[link to www.plosbiology.org]

Clearly that should have been the end of any talk about modern humans having evolved from hominids since all other hominids were significantly FURTHER removed from us THAN the neanderthal. Nonetheless evolutionites go on talking about a "common ancestor(TM) for both ourselves and Neanderthals, 500,000 years back. That of course is idiotic; it's as if somebody had discovered some reason why dogs could not be descended from wolves, and the evolutionites were to claim that therefore they (dogs) must be descended directly from fish.

But what about the time frames? We've seen that the time frames we read about for dinosaurs are totally FUBAR, what about the 50,000 and 200,000 and 500,000 year time spans you read about for supposed human ancestors? Do evolutionites have the sort of time they'd need to even be talking about hominid/human evolution?

Gunnar Heinsohn is best/brightest category in European academia and a frequent speaker at NATO gatherings since his population youth bulge theories predict political unrest with near 100% accuracy; he's also a major player in the ongoing efforts to reconstruct Med-basin chronologies. His "Wie Alt ist das Menschengeschlect" describes the problem with the dating schemes typically associated with Neanderthal studies:


Mueller-Karpe, the first name in continental paleoanthropology, wrote thirty years ago on the two strata of homo erectus at Swanscombe/England: "A difference between the tools in the upper and in the lower stratum is not recognizable. (From a geological point of view it is uncertain if between the two strata there passed decades, centuries or millennia.)" (Handbuch der Vorgeschichte, Vol I, Munich 1966, p. 293).

The outstanding scholar never returned to this hint that in reality there may have passed ten years where the textbooks enlist one thousand years. Yet, I tried to follow this thread. I went to the stratigraphies of the Old Stone Age which usually look as follows

modern man (homo sapiens sapiens)

Neanderthal man (homo sapiens neanderthalensis)

Homo erectus (invents fire and is considered the first intelligent man).

In my book "Wie alt ist das Menschengeschlecht?" [How Ancient is Man?], 1996, 2nd edition, I focused for Neanderthal man on his best preserved stratigraphy: Combe Grenal in France. Within 4 m of debris it exhibited 55 strata dated conventionally between -90,000 and -30,000. Roughly one millennium was thus assigned to some 7 cm of debris per stratum. Close scrutiny had revealed that most strata were only used in the summer. Thus, ca. one thousand summers were assigned to each stratum. If, however, the site lay idle in winter and spring one would have expected substratification. Ideally, one would look for one thousand substrata for the one thousand summers. Yet, not even two substrata were discovered in any of the strata. They themselves were the substrata in the 4 m stratigraphy. They, thus, were not good for 60,000 but only for 55 years.

I tested this assumption with the tool count. According to the Binfords' research--done on North American Indians--each tribal adult has at least five tool kits with some eight tools in each of them. At every time 800 tools existed in a band of 20 adults. Assuming that each tool lasted an entire generation (15 female years), Combe Grenals 4,000 generations in 60,000 years should have produced some 3.2 million tools. By going closer to the actual life time of flint tools tens of millions of tools would have to be expected for Combe Grenal. Ony 19,000 (nineteen thousand) remains of tools, however, were found by the excavators.

There seems to be no way out but to cut down the age of Neanderthal man at Combe Grenal from some 60,000 to some 60 years.

I applied the stratigraphical approach to the best caves in Europe for the entire time from Erectus to the Iron Age and reached at the following tentative chronology for intelligent man:

-600 onwards Iron Age
-900 onwards Bronze Age
-1400 beginning of modern man (homo sapiens sapiens)
-1500 beginning of Neanderthal man
between -2000 and -1600 beginning of Erectus.

Since Erectus only left the two poor strata like at Swanscombe or El-Castillo/Spain, he should actually not have lasted longer than Neanderthal-may be one average life expectancy. I will now not go into the mechanism of mutation. All I want to remind you of is the undisputed sequence of interstratification and monostratification in the master stratigraphies. This allows for one solution only: Parents of the former developmental stage of man lived together with their own offspring in the same cave stratum until they died out. They were not massacred as textbooks have it:

monostrat.: only modern man's tools

interstrat.: Neanderthal man's and modern man's tools side by side

monostrat.: only Neanderthal man's tools

interstrat.: Neanderthal man's and Erectus' tools side by side

monotstrat.: only Erectus tools (deepest stratum for intelligent man)

The year figures certainly sound bewildering. Yet, so far nobody came up with any stratigraphy justifiably demanding more time than I tentatively assigned to the age of intelligent man. I always remind my critiques that one millennium is an enormous time span--more than from William the Conqueror to today's Anglo-World. To add a millenium to human history should always go together with sufficient material remains to show for it. I will not even mention the easiness with which scholars add a million years to the history of man until they made Lucy 4 million years old. The time-span-madness is the last residue of Darwinism.

Heinsohn is not putting an exact age on the Neanderthal die-out; what he IS stating is that there is no legitimate interpretation of existing evidence which would indicate that they died out any more than four or five thousand years ago and that is basically consistent with the thing about raw dinosaur meat.

That of course is nowhere remotely close to the time frames which any sort of an evolutionary scheme of modern man from hominids would require. We are left with three basic choices:

Modern man was created here from scratch, and recently.

Modern man was brought here from somewhere else in the cosmos.

Modern man was genetically re-engineered from one of the hominids, most likely the Neanderthal.

Those are your three basic choices and none of them involve evolution. Moreover the second and third choices merely amount to kicking the can a block or two down the road as far as how anything like modern man ever came into existence anywhere in the universe at all since the the same mathematical and probabilistic laws which prevent macroevolution on this planet would hold true anywhere else. The 17B years which supposedly intervene since the "Big Bang(TM)" wouldn't be enough for modern man to evolve in the universe even if that were possible which it isn't, and even if the Big Bang idea itself weren't just another bunch of BS like evolution, which it is.

We are left with three basic choices:

Modern man was created here from scratch, and recently.

Modern man was brought here from somewhere else in the cosmos.

Modern man was genetically re-engineered from one of the hominids, most likely the Neanderthal.

Shea tested the hypothesis that there were differences in behavioural variability between earlier and later Homo sapiens using stone tool evidence dating to between 250,000- 6000 years ago in eastern Africa.

His analysis shows no single behavioural revolution in our species' evolutionary history. Instead, the evidence shows wide variability in Homo sapiens toolmaking strategies from the earliest times onwards.

i get it, the origin of us, as in, why and how are we as we are


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"intelligence has to arise FIRST and create biology"

i have never thought about it

now we are thinking about it i am sure awareness will arise

Additional thought

what we are dictates all we were as in, does it matter once awareness of what we are satisfies all we desire to be, eternally


i wonder

eternity psemeni, that`s why i have never thought about it

in the west we recently divided time hence erased eternal from our awareness and applied it to our universe (big bang)

using divided we calculate within the west that our galaxy takes 250 million years to rotate once

earth, either as part of the what was a brown dwarf saturn or within it`s present suns solar system, like our galaxy it is within , is unlikely to form for less than at least a few rotations of the whole galaxy

you may feel that the divided time involved allows ample time for us to have travelled here ourselves, so long ago there is no memory of it accessible via our collective memory and, because all things spiral, there is no access to that awareness within the field containing that memory, long left behind in a location our galaxy will never return to

more than that, wherever we go back within eternity, humans of our structure and function/behaviour were always somewhere within our eternal universe

nothing knows what formed us as there is no formation of a beginning within the structure of our universe, a structure which forces eternal to function eternally



there is considerable awareness that we did travel to what we call our planet and once arrived, we never imagined leaving

Same here, the neanderthal connection resonates with me as seperate venue of evolution. Not better, not worse, just different. I feel there were several types of humans when this grand experiment kicked off. We don't admit it now because we've all done awful shit to each other and we're afraid if it all comes out we'll be blamed for the sins of our fathers. I think it relates to the collective grief you see, Muse... In fact, I'll say I KNOW it does as the second I typed that I felt the truth of it run up my spine and light up that part of me that connects. We have to grieve, forgive then let it go or we'll never move on. There's two paths at this point, either make us all alike or make it ok for us to be different... I don't think any of us want the type of "unity" the first choice would mean.