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hey moon girl you around?
remember you asked me a while back about the rainbow why I bring that up alot?

I never answered but I kinda tried to tell you?
remember an email I sent you with my art work?
look for the rainbow in that

and in your thread remember a post I quoted. it had something to do with his mother or motherinlaw a song came on the computer and no one played it?

Muppet Movie - The Rainbow Connection

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funny

important emotions promote answers for the topic you don`t expect

yourself

it feels
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It is interesting how the ball stops and the head moves at the same speed.
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space chicken alert scroll down look for the space chicken [link to spaceweather.com]
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space chicken alert scroll down look for the space chicken [link to spaceweather.com]
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for the first time publicly we have met with matter outside of our suns heliosphere

Solar Stagnation
Jun 05, 2012

Matter from the Interstellar Medium has been detected by Voyager 1.

A postulate of the Electric Sun hypothesis presupposes the Sun to be the positive terminal in a circuit, or anode. The negative electrode, or “virtual” cathode, is known as the heliosphere, a shell of charged particles surrounding the farthest limit of the Sun’s electric discharge billions of kilometers away. A “double layer” at the edge of the heliosphere isolates the Sun’s plasma cell from the galactic plasma. Galactic plasma is also called the Interstellar Medium (ISM).

Electric forces inside the layer of charge above the surface of the Sun create the active plasma phenomena that we can observe. Since the Electric Universe theory assumes that all celestial bodies are connected by plasma filaments in vast circuits, the Sun must also be part of those circuits. However, the Sun is not an electrically stable object. Electric charges flow into and out of the Sun, so they can sometimes increase to the point where plasma discharges flash through it. Those tremendous lightning bolts are the solar flares and coronal mass ejections (CMEs).

A “solar wind,” or dark mode electric discharge radiating from the Sun, blows outward at approximately 700 kilometers per second. In a gravity-centric analysis, heat and radiation pressure alone cannot explain how the charged particles of the solar wind are accelerated as they pass by the planets on their way to the heliospheric cathode. No solar physicists expected such acceleration until it was discovered.................
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[link to www.thunderbolts.info]
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space chicken alert scroll down look for the space chicken [link to spaceweather.com]
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from your link:

The Mysterious Arc of Venus
June 4, 2012

When Venus transits the sun on June 5th and 6th, an armada of spacecraft and ground-based telescopes will be on the lookout for something elusive and, until recently, unexpected: The Arc of Venus.

"I was flabbergasted when I first saw it during the 2004 transit," recalls astronomy professor Jay Pasachoff of Williams College. "A bright, glowing rim appeared around the edge of Venus soon after it began to move into the sun."

For a brief instant, the planet had turned into a "ring of fire." .........................

.............For the most part, planetary scientists have no idea how Venus turned out this way.

"Our models and tools cannot fully explain Venus, which means we lack the tools for understanding our own planet," points out Widemann. "Caring about Venus is caring about ourselves."
 Quoting: nasa

[link to science.nasa.gov]

The Comet Venus

During the centuries when Venus was a comet, it had a tail. What could give Venus the appearance of a star throwing out smoke?
 Quoting: observation

[link to www.redicecreations.com]

Velikovsky's Comet Venus

Immanuel Velikovsky concluded from his extensive interdisciplinary research that the planet Venus was remembered from the time of the dawn of civilization as a brilliant cometary body.
 Quoting: observation

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

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feedback:

If we take matter to be electrons and protons and that which they form (i.e. neutrons and atoms) and we take aether to be everything else, then the answer is no. All that we may say about matter is that it has material substance, which is mass, and that it may have motion, both linear and spin. Beyond this all "force effects" are due to the interaction of matter with the aether, such that the aether also mediates force effects between matter
 Quoting: observation (CERN)


Usually the baryonic matter is not considered to be "something else" from the space-time aether. Rather, e.g, the proton is a disturbance of this space-time. This is called field theory. For example in the vicinity of a proton we say there is a non-zero mass density, or rather a non-vanishing stress-energy tensor, which also disturbs the space-time metric of the space around it.

Can you say that we have tornadoes and hurricanes, and everything else is the atmosphere? No, these structures are made of the atmosphere.
 Quoting: nasa THEMIS 30thMay 2012


Baryon

A baryon is a composite subatomic particle made up of three quarks (as distinct from mesons, which comprise one quark and one antiquark)
 Quoting: observation

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

swinger you got an opinion of nasa`s comment?
 Quoting: aether


When something cannot be seen it may seem prudent to describe it only by its affects, and this is a perfectly reasonable scientific scepticism. The problem arises that this leads to the object being referred to and treated as its affects, which is to ignore cause and effect. This also rules out the possibility of even asking the question: how and why do these effects manifest?.

Rather than attempting to define a model where protons and electrons are treated as real discrete objects that interact with an aethereal field, they are treated as only as associated numerical variables. There are obvious advantages to the mathematical construct approach. However, I am of the firm opinion that the universe is in no way magical and that therefore it is purely and completely physical (some may declare this to be a belief system, I view as an absence of belief system and a sound basis for objectivity). A physical universe must operate by mechanical rules, so probability functions are not a way of describing an object or process, they are a way of avoiding describing an object or process. Do we assume that the proton is an object with physical and interactional properties or do we take it to be the sum of its affects.

Of course we may get ourselves into all sorts of semantic definitional tangles when trying to define the fundamental physical difference between a spoon and the invisible undetectable objects that cause the spoon to experience gravity or magnetism: material/immaterial, matter/aether, etc.. Recently I used the analogy of a sand castle on a beach of sand to compare to an aether particle "photon structure" in an aether particle field. Your tornado/atmosphere analogy is interestingly similar. But is it a valid analogy to describe a proton, does the tornado does not have a stable lifetime of at least 1029 years.
 Quoting: reply

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update:

I am merely repeating what appears from my reading to be the purpose of introducing a space-time fluid.
The idea basically goes back to Democritus and Leucippus, and further back of course

This space-time, I will use your terminology and call it "aether", is the only thing that exists. There is nothing else. All observed reality can be explained by differing states of this aether at different locations. That's how I understand the theory at least.

Of course at this level it is just hand waving, to make this useful we need to describe some details. What properties of the aether are those we describe as mass? What properties of the aether are those we describe as an electric field? How do they relate, change with time, etc? This is what maxwell's equations and einstein's GR describe.

Perhaps you are looking for a hybrid theory, one in which the electromagnetic aether is a different substance from massive particles which travel through it? Such ideas were voiced by physicists such as Maxwell, and mostly are incompatible with observations such as stellar aberration and the Michelson Morley experiment.
 Quoting: NASA THEMIS
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update:

nasa still has time locked into their model as a dimension

that`s fucked tounge alien03
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I heard someone was looking for me?

This is Deuem. A good friend of mine.............
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Joined On 4/14/2012 6:37 AM

From Deuem,

If anyone here knows me, I will state this.

I can find no EM fields anywhere on this photo.

There is no trace evidence of any contrails or engine exhaust.

The object is what I consider "Dead" or no energy reading at all.

It does appear to be in the film or digital print.

I show zero atmospheric interference.

I show no motion. Meaning it is not moving very fast.

I ran this photo through all 4 Deuem programs.

Ok that is food for thought.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My Opinion: I would say that you photographed an object in the air as it was blowing around. Like a leaf or piece of paper. This object looks to be fairly close to the camera and not up in the clouds. As I said this is an opinion.

Deuem
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Thread: I'd like your opinion on what this is... (Page 2)

just 3 posts so far

greetings deuem
i imagine i will be utilizing more of your work rockon

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"the ufo appears to be trying to communicate with the plane. it actually changes it`s EM signature to match the plane"
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checking to detect if the human craft functioned on pilot/craft communicative intuition steering (em field(s)) as the organic red does
or
sending again the message, until you can, we don`t talk
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Whoa, this guy is using EM signatures in his work?!

He has to be using his own camera, doesn't he? Sorry, can't listen to vids at work.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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Whoa, this guy is using EM signatures in his work?!

He has to be using his own camera, doesn't he? Sorry, can't listen to vids at work.
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hey swinger
he is fully equipped to see
the e/m communication of we

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Whoa, this guy is using EM signatures in his work?!

He has to be using his own camera, doesn't he? Sorry, can't listen to vids at work.
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hey swinger
he is fully equipped to see
the e/m communication of we
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That's great!
Can't wait
To see what he
evaluates.
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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"the ufo appears to be trying to communicate with the plane. it actually changes it`s EM signature to match the plane"
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checking to detect if the human craft functioned on pilot/craft communicative intuition steering (em field(s)) as the organic red does
or
sending again the message, until you can, we don`t talk
 Quoting: aether


sorry I've not been up to date on this thread, lots of reading to catch up on.

can you point out the 'intuitive steering' explanation?

I've had a 'steering' issue come up, maybe a clue to be had.
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sorry I've not been up to date on this thread, lots of reading to catch up on.

can you point out the 'intuitive steering' explanation?

I've had a 'steering' issue come up, maybe a clue to be had.
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hey peanut, we will stick with the topic to explain to see how it works

let`s remove the two craft and their occupants from the equation, we are left with the environment they exist within

the environment (universe) both it`s material dimension and non material dimensions, in their structure collectively forms the singular effect labeled by us, "self aware" (intelligent)

the craft referred to as organic is labeled organic because, no matter what materials are used to construct it, it is structured to mimic the singular effect of it`s environment , self aware (intelligent), hence able to utilize the attributes of it`s environment

the occupant whom constructed the craft did so because they first understood the structure and function of our environment hence their craft is steered by the occupant being in intuitive communication with our self aware environment and their craft, simultaneously

the craft responds to both occupant and our environments collective desires within the natural boundaries of the occupants understanding of our environment

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sorry I've not been up to date on this thread, lots of reading to catch up on.

can you point out the 'intuitive steering' explanation?

I've had a 'steering' issue come up, maybe a clue to be had.
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hey peanut, we will stick with the topic to explain to see how it works

let`s remove the two craft and their occupants from the equation, we are left with the environment they exist within

the environment (universe) both it`s material dimension and non material dimensions, in their structure collectively forms the singular effect labeled by us, "self aware" (intelligent)

the craft referred to as organic is labeled organic because, no matter what materials are used to construct it, it is structured to mimic the singular effect of it`s environment , self aware (intelligent), hence able to utilize the attributes of it`s environment

the occupant whom constructed the craft did so because they first understood the structure and function of our environment hence their craft is steered by the occupant being in intuitive communication with our self aware environment and their craft, simultaneously

the craft responds to both occupant and our environments collective desires within the natural boundaries of the occupants understanding of our environment
 Quoting: aether


Damn aether, excellent analysis.

I can't wait till I am evolved enough to play with that kind of stuff. chuckle
"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body,
but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow! What a Ride!"

We do not Die, We Awaken to the Dream that We Lived.
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sorry I've not been up to date on this thread, lots of reading to catch up on.

can you point out the 'intuitive steering' explanation?

I've had a 'steering' issue come up, maybe a clue to be had.
 Quoting: peanut


hey peanut, we will stick with the topic to explain to see how it works

let`s remove the two craft and their occupants from the equation, we are left with the environment they exist within

the environment (universe) both it`s material dimension and non material dimensions, in their structure collectively forms the singular effect labeled by us, "self aware" (intelligent)

the craft referred to as organic is labeled organic because, no matter what materials are used to construct it, it is structured to mimic the singular effect of it`s environment , self aware (intelligent), hence able to utilize the attributes of it`s environment

the occupant whom constructed the craft did so because they first understood the structure and function of our environment hence their craft is steered by the occupant being in intuitive communication with our self aware environment and their craft, simultaneously

the craft responds to both occupant and our environments collective desires within the natural boundaries of the occupants understanding of our environment
 Quoting: aether


Damn aether, excellent analysis.

I can't wait till I am evolved enough to play with that kind of stuff. chuckle
 Quoting: Swinging on Spirals

I've got to become more self aware, to see the thing first. lol
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rainbow stuff I found (not necessarily fact lol) but interesting to think about.

ATOM and EVE – Energy Demons

Below are charts exposing the luciferian egregore lie. We’ve been manipulated into believing we’re merely our physical and emotional/spiritual body, responding to the stimulus of this 3 dimensional realm. Everything within this 3D space is divided light and therefore is energy. Divided light is a rainbow. Everything physical is formed from this rainbow in some form or another. Everything, from the tiniest sub-atomic particle to the galaxies above, is made of bits of the rainbow. The rainbow canopy of light that surrounds our true awareness, has seduced us into accepting the illusion as the real deal.

All energy is divided light, and is visible in the form of atoms. Some will argue that not all energy is visible. However, all energy is visible, regardless of the frequency, when a proper visual aid or frequency responder is utilized. In many instances, different segments of society are able to see things with the naked eye, that others are unable to witness. When awareness is seduced by a lying thought form, awareness focuses on the form, steps out of the moment and into this construct we call time and space. Energy is simply a THOUGHT that blocks out wisdom, and WISDOM IS the ABSENCE of ENERGY. It is this energy thought form, the ATOM, that is the seducer, conjured by the luciferian mindset. Divided light, the rainbow, the atom, the physical 3D space, is a lie – deception – illusion. Our original awareness state has NO THOUGHT and therefore NO ENERGY. Wisdom is simply knowing through awareness. Our original eternal state has no 3 dimensional form, no colour, sound or shape.


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feedback:

If we take matter to be electrons and protons and that which they form (i.e. neutrons and atoms) and we take aether to be everything else, then the answer is no. All that we may say about matter is that it has material substance, which is mass, and that it may have motion, both linear and spin. Beyond this all "force effects" are due to the interaction of matter with the aether, such that the aether also mediates force effects between matter
 Quoting: observation (CERN)


Usually the baryonic matter is not considered to be "something else" from the space-time aether. Rather, e.g, the proton is a disturbance of this space-time. This is called field theory. For example in the vicinity of a proton we say there is a non-zero mass density, or rather a non-vanishing stress-energy tensor, which also disturbs the space-time metric of the space around it.

Can you say that we have tornadoes and hurricanes, and everything else is the atmosphere? No, these structures are made of the atmosphere.
 Quoting: nasa THEMIS 30thMay 2012


Baryon

A baryon is a composite subatomic particle made up of three quarks (as distinct from mesons, which comprise one quark and one antiquark)
 Quoting: observation

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

swinger you got an opinion of nasa`s comment?
 Quoting: aether


When something cannot be seen it may seem prudent to describe it only by its affects, and this is a perfectly reasonable scientific scepticism. The problem arises that this leads to the object being referred to and treated as its affects, which is to ignore cause and effect. This also rules out the possibility of even asking the question: how and why do these effects manifest?.

Rather than attempting to define a model where protons and electrons are treated as real discrete objects that interact with an aethereal field, they are treated as only as associated numerical variables. There are obvious advantages to the mathematical construct approach. However, I am of the firm opinion that the universe is in no way magical and that therefore it is purely and completely physical (some may declare this to be a belief system, I view as an absence of belief system and a sound basis for objectivity). A physical universe must operate by mechanical rules, so probability functions are not a way of describing an object or process, they are a way of avoiding describing an object or process. Do we assume that the proton is an object with physical and interactional properties or do we take it to be the sum of its affects.

Of course we may get ourselves into all sorts of semantic definitional tangles when trying to define the fundamental physical difference between a spoon and the invisible undetectable objects that cause the spoon to experience gravity or magnetism: material/immaterial, matter/aether, etc.. Recently I used the analogy of a sand castle on a beach of sand to compare to an aether particle "photon structure" in an aether particle field. Your tornado/atmosphere analogy is interestingly similar. But is it a valid analogy to describe a proton, does the tornado does not have a stable lifetime of at least 1029 years.
 Quoting: reply

 Quoting: aether


update:

I am merely repeating what appears from my reading to be the purpose of introducing a space-time fluid.
The idea basically goes back to Democritus and Leucippus, and further back of course

This space-time, I will use your terminology and call it "aether", is the only thing that exists. There is nothing else. All observed reality can be explained by differing states of this aether at different locations. That's how I understand the theory at least.

Of course at this level it is just hand waving, to make this useful we need to describe some details. What properties of the aether are those we describe as mass? What properties of the aether are those we describe as an electric field? How do they relate, change with time, etc? This is what maxwell's equations and einstein's GR describe.

Perhaps you are looking for a hybrid theory, one in which the electromagnetic aether is a different substance from massive particles which travel through it? Such ideas were voiced by physicists such as Maxwell, and mostly are incompatible with observations such as stellar aberration and the Michelson Morley experiment.
 Quoting: NASA THEMIS

 Quoting: aether


I think this may point to the steering issue- fluid consistency.

In my synchronous event hydraulic steering was lost not because fluid was low, but because of air bubbles caught in the pumping gear.
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rainbow stuff I found (not necessarily fact lol) but interesting to think about.
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Not on this thread you're not.
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false teaching you are promoting

good for you

have a nice day
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posting here because moon girl can delete postings here





oh what a tangled web
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Not on this thread you're not.
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false teaching you are promoting

good for you

have a nice day
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posting here because moon girl can delete postings here





oh what a tangled web
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you should know....you play a big role in that tangled web rabbit...saw your post on Angels thread...so what is the universal message you claim to have sent out?

wf
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ask mum maybe she will tell you
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rainbow stuff I found (not necessarily fact lol) but interesting to think about.
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ask mum maybe she will tell you
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Turn all that pony poo into methane gas lol
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dont got much do yah 12805141

try harder..

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Not on this thread you're not.
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false teaching you are promoting

good for you

have a nice day
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17363754


posting here because moon girl can delete postings here





oh what a tangled web
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you should know....you play a big role in that tangled web rabbit...saw your post on Angels thread...so what is the universal message you claim to have sent out?

wf
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Oh geez! Not another one!





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