Quran verses that prove Islam is Violent and Sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obvious shill is obvious.

You ignore the limits set for those who serve our Creator. It is easier to pull a verse out of context to suit your needs, but when faced with the Truth your deception is made clear.

"Will you not fight a people who broke their oaths and purposed to expel the Messenger, beginning the first time against you? Are you afraid of them? You would do better to be afraid of God, if you are believers." Surah 9:13

Thou shall not murder nor be the aggressor: Surah 60:8-9, 2:190-193, 4:29-30, 4:92-94, 5:32

"And fight in the way of God with those; who fight with you, but aggress not: God loves not the aggressors." Surah 2:190

Leave disbelievers alone: Surah 60:8-9, 6:70, 6:112, 6:137, 7:176, 7:180, 15:3, 43:83, 52:45, 68:44, 70:42, 73:11, 86:17

"God forbids you not, as regards those who have not fought you in religion's cause, nor expelled you from your habitations, that you should be kindly to them, and act justly towards them; surely God loves the just.
God only forbids you as to those who have fought you in religion's cause, and expelled you from your habitations, and have supported in your expulsion, that you should take them for friends. And whosoever takes them for friends, those -- they are the evildoers." Surah 60:8-9

Flight before fight: Surah 2:218, 3:195, 4:89, 4:97-100, 8:72, 8:74, 9:20, 9:117, 16:41, 16:110, 18:10, 22:58, 24:22, 33:6, 33:50, 59:8-9, 60:10

“Those whom the angels cause to die while they are unjust to themselves will say: What were you doing? The will say: We were weak in the earth. Say: Was not Allah’s earth spacious, so that you could have migrated therein? So these it is whose refuge is hell – and it is an evil resort.” Surah 4:97

Fight when oppressed or attacked: Surah 4:88-91, 8:1-75

"And if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing." Surah 8:61

You are seeking to start a war with the believers for our faith - our serving Allah.

Be careful what you ask for. You may get it.

"There is nothing in our book, the Koran, that teaches us to suffer peacefully. Our religion teaches us to be intelligent. Be peaceful, be courteous, obey the law, respect everyone; but if someone puts his hand on you, send him to the cemetery. That’s a good religion." ~ Malcolm X

Allah is Friend, Patron to the believers. He is Guardian, Protector, and the believers will triumph.

Even if outnumbered.

Leave us alone in peace and we'll leave you in peace.

Peace.

Ever notice how when anyone tells the truth about Islam, we have our Canadian mussie crying big tears......

How dare you tell the truth....
How dare you not let him change subject...

Next he threatens to cut your head off, typical musslie acting.

It is refuted by the Quran itself.

You've only proven the hatred in your heart, the bigotry that rules your mind, by pulling verses out of context.

You've proven you are a liar and a deceiver, with an agenda.

Yeah, I know I'll be banned. I always am after I bring the Truth.

But you can't stop the Truth. It will always triumph over falsehood.

:)

Enjoy this life. Your abode will be the Fire in the Hereafter. I believe you are lost. Surah 4:56, 14:30, 17:102

Peace.

OP is a tard who just now learned to copy off the internet.

Good job, OP!

Now go on to learnin' your Times Tables.

Dumbshit.

I Had friends who dipped the tips of their bullets in bacon grease in afganistan.

Europe would be far better off with their traditional occult warrior religion.

Christianity has become a sniveling cowards religion.

1.5+ billion muslims who aren't, prove OP is a fuckstick.

Why?

The Quran forbids the consumption of the flesh of swine.

They give away their position by the stink of rotting grease while gumming up their barrels with foreign matter.

Your friends' bigotry is probably getting them killed.

Glad you LoLed. Laughter is the best medicine, at least for the mind.

You called me a "mooslimb" or something. Offensive, yes, as I am neither Muslim nor religious, but I don't give a shit anymore. Really. My feud is not with you, but the OP, and I am done with that with that guy.

He can have his worthless, virtual victory.

Besides, this thread will be forgotten in a week, and erased from peoples minds in a year, so why bother putting my energy and emotions into a fight on the internet. I'm never going to meet any of you probably.

OP. You win. You are not worth my time, so I surrender. Go ahead and waste your time arguing about worthless religious texts. A truly good and logically inclined person wouldn't need one anyway. That being said, I am not a truly good person. I draw inspiration from all texts, but they are just books to me. I have learned just as much from science fiction and paintings and fuck, staring a flock of birds flying south for the winter. I could learn just as much about God and morals from staring at an ant hill or watching a wolf consume a lamb.

And Phoenix, I have never spoken to you until now. You seem ok. I'm willing to put whatever negative emotions we might have had towards each other behind me. OK?

You all truly want to know God? Don't look inward, or at some groups writings. See what is etched in the actions of things that surround you.

A stink bug is on my shoulder as I write this. He doesn't need a Bible or a Quran to teach him how to live life. He does what he is meant to do.

Good or evil, we are all so inescapably human.

Goodbye to this thread.

Last Edited by Shpong on 01/02/2011 12:29 AM

Idiots.

There is a big, big difference between Islam and Christianity when it comes to violence.

The Old Testament has tons of violent shit, but the difference, which is immediately apparent to anyone who actually bothered to read the Koran and not just pretend they read it, is that the Koran commands followers to violently kill people NOW AND IN THE FUTURE.

Show me where the Old Testament does that.

It doesn't.

That's the difference.

It's a huge difference and it explains why Christianity is at war with Islam and will continue to be at war with Islam.

This whole thing is about the Elites wanting armies to rob, loot and take land from others. Religion is the tool they use to convince armies, a.k.a relgious followers, to do their bidding. They convince their follows that the killing is godly and just (they don't mention looting and theft) Just heaven, godliness, righteousness. It's all a mind game.

how come we never hear from any cool muslim guys like say .....kumar kumar was a potsmoking beerswilling whorehopping ASSIMALATED American that these jihadist could learn from.

Trust me they're not.

one of the reason.s that jesus was killed was because he tried to free the people from religion.s..as for been born again it has nothing to do with having a bucket of water thrown over you .a child is born free from religion .but as that child grows up .the child is brainwashed by this world and religion .

to be born again you have to free yourself from religion.s and learn the true meaning of god .which is in all of us .

to be born again is to learn the meaning of love..

It always work out in the end :)

Much respect.

Like I carem I'm not a Khazerian.

Jesus peeps aren't jooz

The hadith the extremists follow was copied from the Old Testament.

Terrorism, violence and intolerance: Deut. 20:10-18, Num. 31:17, Num. 31:32-35, Joshua 6:21-24, I Sam.l 18:27, I Kings 18:40
Religious compulsion (kill unbelievers): Lev. 24:16, Ph. 2:10; Deut 17:2-7, II Chron.15:13, Deut. 13:5-10
Apostasy: Deut. 13:5-10
Suicide Mission: Judges 16:27-30
Stoning Adulterers: Deut. 22:23-24, Lev. 2:10
Sunni ‘Al-Aqeedah’: Gen. 22:1-19, James 2:21, Heb. 11:7, Rom. 4:16
Halal/kosher food: Lev. 11:1-46
Cut off hand/feet: Deut. 25:11-12, Mat. 5:30, Mark 9:43-45
Grow a beard: Lev. 19:27, Lev. 21:5, II Sam. 10:5
Cover your head: II Maccabes 4:4:12, Shabbat 156b
”Cover your head in order that the fear of heaven may be upon you.”
Slavery: Lev. 25:44-46, Lev. 22:10-11, Exo. 21:32
Females are unclean: Levi. 12:2,5
Proof of virginity: Deut. 22:15-21
Raped girl should be killed: Deut. 22:22-29

You still practice genital mutilation. Circumcision.
Genital mutilation: Gen. 17:13-14, Gen. 17:23-25, Exo. 4:24-26

Now, the New Testament may not have the bloodshed, but you have the subjugation of women.
Hijab: I Cor. 11:3-6
Men dominate women: I Cor. 11:3, I Peter 3:1-7, Eph. 5:22-24
Daughters are property: Exo. 21:7
Women have no rights: I Tim. 2:11-15, I Cor. 14:34-36

And lest we forget where the pedophilia in hadith comes from - for it certainly does not come from the Quran:
Pedophilia: Sanhedrin 52b, 54b, 55b, 69a, Kethuboth 11b, Yebamoth 60b
Adultery allowed: Kerithoth 11a,
Incest: Sotah 26b



In the Quran ALL are equal. Surah 3:195, 4:124, 16:97, 33:36-37, 40:40, 49:13
Backbiting, slander, and lying is forbidden. Surah 17:80, 49:12, 33:58, 58:9, 24:11-23, 4:20, 4:46, 7:200, 9:58, 9:79, 19:35, 25:4, 60:12, 68:11, 111:4
Theft is forbidden: Surah 2:188, 12:70-79
Suicide forbidden: Surah 2:194, 4:29
Free slaves: Surah 2:177, 4:24-25, 4:92, 5:89, 9:60, 24:32, 90:13
Only disbelievers practice stoning: Surah 11:91, 18:20, 19:46, 26:116, 36:18

The largest collection of hadith comes from Sahih al-Bukhari, who is known as 'The Bukhari' because he comes from Bukhara.
You should Google who the people are who lived in Bukhara, and why the teachings of the Yahudians are so prevalent in hadith.

May Allah increase the believes in knowledge.

Peace.

2 Points

All the nice kissy huggy stuff in the Quran is in he first part.

Its taught that if any contradiction exists in the Quran ten go what is later. Bad book boiy.

Go marry a 6 year old and bang her when nine year old like the murderous caravan thief Mohammud.

Saudis do that all the time. Come here and do a bunch of whoring while in college and go back and fuck goats.

My religion is better than your religion.


Neener Neener Neener

I don't know if someone posted it but it is a very good document on what is Islam:

An Inquiry Into Islam: What Makes Islam So Successful? (and it ain't peace, love and togetherness)

[link to www.inquiryintoislam.com]

IF YOU WANTED to deliberately design a collection of ideas with the purpose of making one that might eventually out-compete every other religion or political system on earth, you would be hard-pressed to do better than Islam.

Let's look at some of the individual ideas within the collection, keeping in mind that many of the ideas enhance each other. In other words, adding one idea to the others can make the whole collection more effective because some ideas work synergistically.

Here are some of the key components of the package of ideas (or bundle of beliefs) known as Islam:

1. A standardized version of the idea-collection is written down. This is something basic to several religions and isn't an Islamic invention, but it is an important factor in the success of Islam.

Something only transmitted orally can change over time, but something written will be identical a thousand years from now, and with modern printing presses, can be reproduced in the millions, giving it an enormous advantage in spreading identical copies of the idea-collection.

2. The Quran includes instructions for its own spread. It tells believers they must spread Islam. It is their holy duty to bring Mohammad's warnings and Islamic law to every corner of the world. Read more about that.

3. The idea-collection includes instructions for its own preservation, protection, and duplication. The Quran, the most important of the Islamic holy books, directly tells its followers that they can never change or modify or "modernize" any of the teachings within the idea-collection. It is perfect as it is. It is a capital sin to try to change it. This idea ensures the preservation of the whole collection.

These first three ideas are pretty standard for several successful religions. But now it gets interesting...

4. Islam commands its followers to create a government that supports it. This may be one of the most ingenious ideas in the whole collection. Islam is the only religion that uses it. Other groups of religious people have had political aspirations, but no other major religious group orders its followers - as a religious duty - to create a government that follows its own system of law.

Islam has a system of law, called Sharia, and all Muslims are obligated to continually strive to make their government - wherever they are - follow it. Because of some of the other ideas added to Islam, you will see that this political addition to the idea-collection has significant consequences.

Many people are under the impression that the goal of Islam is to convert everyone to Islam. This is not so. The prime directive of Islam is to bring all people on earth under the rule of Islamic law. Read more about the political nature of the core doctrines of Islam.

5. Permission to spread the religion by war. This is another successful innovation (source). Although some other religions have spread themselves using force, they had very little justification from their own religious doctrines to do so.

Not so with Islam. Expanding by conquest is very much accepted and encouraged by the idea-collection. Islamic teachings present it this way: The non-Muslims need to be saved from the sin of following laws other than Allah's. If they won't voluntarily change their laws to Sharia, then it is a Muslim's duty to insist. The world cannot be at peace until every government on earth follows the laws of Allah.

Mohammad's own experience showed the example - an example, says the Quran 91 times, that every Muslim should follow. At first, Mohammad tried to spread Islam by peaceful means. After thirteen years he'd gained 150 converts.

But then he changed tactics and started using caravan raids, warfare, executions, ransoming captives, and assassination, and within ten years he converted tens of thousands. After he died, his followers used the same tactics and converted millions. And by now it is one and a half billion.

The use of warfare combines synergistically and powerfully with the instruction to create an Islamic state. So Islam spread quickly as their armies got bigger. They conquered and set up Islamic states, most of which have lasted to this day, and the laws within an Islamic state make Islam very difficult to dislodge. The laws also make it very advantageous to convert to Islam.

This is one of the most effective methods ever invented for getting an idea-collection followed by huge numbers of people. It's a method of control and indoctrination similar to those used successfully in communist and totalitarian states. But as you'll discover below, Islam makes unique use of the power of the law to enforce complete conversion to the religion.

Islam started under unique conditions. All other major religions were started within an already-existing state. Islam is an historical exception to this rule.

Any organized government will, of course, put a stop to violent uprisings of a rebellious political group - especially one that wants to wage war and apply its own system of law. Christianity arose within the Roman Empire, for example. If Christianity had been a militant or political uprising, Rome would probably have killed or imprisoned the followers. Probably many military or political religions did start up then, but we've never heard of them. They couldn't get off the ground.

But Islam arose in Arabia when there was no central ruling power. The whole area was comprised of individual tribes. Under those circumstances, conversion by war and the use of force was possible.

6. Lands must be conquered. Lands that Islam has lost must be reconquered (Spain and Israel, for example). The Islamic empire must continually expand. Contraction is bad; expansion is good. So if a land was once Islamic and now it is not, that's contraction, and must be remedied.

According to Islamic teachings, the earth is Allah's. If there are parts of the earth not following Islamic law, it is the duty of the faithful to gain control of that land and establish Sharia. It is a sin to let it be.

7. The idea-collection provides new soldiers by allowing polygamy. According to Sharia law, a Muslim man can marry up to four wives, and he can have sex with as many slave girls as he wishes.

The Quran especially encourages men to marry widows. This is an important idea to add if you are going to be losing a lot of soldiers in war. You need some way of replenishing your army. Otherwise the idea-collection could die out from a lack of offspring. Read more about this principle.

8. It is a punishable offense to criticize Islam. You can see why this one is a good supporting idea for the collection. It helps suppress any ideas that would reduce the authority of Islamic ideas. This idea is in the Quran, and Mohammad set a fierce example of punishing people who criticized him or Islam. Read more about this principle.

9. You can't leave Islam once you're in. This is an interesting one. It is actually illegal in Islamic states to convert out of Islam. This is a critical part of Sharia law. Someone who has rejected Islam who was once a Muslim is an "apostate." This is a crime and a sin, and the punishment for it is death (and eternal damnation in hell thereafter).

Obviously, you can see why this idea has been included in the collection, but this one has actually caused Islam a problem because those who are following Islam to the letter consider more "moderate" Muslims (those who want to ignore or alter the more violent passages of the Quran) to be apostates. Since the punishment for apostates is death, fundamentalist Muslims are fighting modernizing Muslims all over the world, and keeping many rebellious, modernizing Muslims from speaking up for fear of death.

Every time a group of Muslims decides that maybe Islam should be updated for the 21st century and maybe women should have some rights and maybe the government should be more democratic, the devout Muslims call them apostates and discredit them or even try to kill them.

In this and in many other ways, Islam protects its own fidelity (in other words, the original idea-collection cannot be altered).

Another idea in Sharia law says it's against the law for anyone to try to convert a Muslim to another religion.

10. Islam must be your first allegiance. You are a Muslim first, before any allegiance you give to your family, your tribe, or your country.

This does two things: It causes a unity of people across borders which allows the group to grow bigger than any other entity. In other words, the "Nation of Islam" can grow bigger than any country, no matter how large (which gives the group a massive numerical advantage).

11. Dying while fighting for Islam is the ONLY way to guarantee a man's entrance into Paradise. This belief creates fearless, enthusiastic warriors, especially given the Quran's vivid descriptions of the sensuous delights of Paradise.

A Muslim man has a chance of getting to Paradise if he is a good Muslim, but it is not guaranteed. However, if he dies while fighting for Islam, he is guaranteed to get in, and that's the only thing he can do to guarantee it.

12. You must read the Quran in Arabic. This unites believers by language, and language has a very powerful unifying influence. For added incentive to learn Arabic, another basic Islamic principle says you can't go to Paradise unless you pray in Arabic.

So Muslims all over the world share a language. This makes it easier to coordinate far-reaching campaigns of protest, political pressure, and war. Read more about this principle.

www. wikipedia. com (evolutionary origin of religions, also religion) Explains how all these relgions began and their purpose

Yep the same agents are all over the place.

If I could I would burn every Quran and boil every imam in pigfat.

I know some good Muslims, trust them more than the average American. Maybe they will kill me later. Lol.

I know some good Muslims, trust them more than the average American. Maybe they will kill me later. Lol.

every Muslim isn't a quran or imam.

I'm just saying cut off the head of the snake

hey, everyone needs somebody to hate.

[link to www.thereligionofpeace.com]

So far this Christmas, Religion of Peace devotees have bombed a church in the Philippines, blown up 45 flood refugees waiting in line for Western food aid, plotted to bomb a Christmas tree lighting in Oregon and a recruitment center in Maryland, massacred 86 innocents in attacks on Nigerian churches, planned to poison American food buffets and implant bombs in human bodies, plotted the slaughter
of civilians in Holland, London and a newspaper office in
Denmark... and even set off the first suicide blast in Sweden,
which was intended for Christmas shoppers.

So when do we stop pretending that Islam is just another religion?


Cairo to Damascus (PDF)
by John Roy Carl­son
1951, Knopf, 474 pages

[link to spitfirelist.com]
[link to spitfirelist.com]

Best known for Under Cover [1943], a chron­i­cle about his years-long infil­tra­tion of the fas­cist Fifth Col­umn move­ment in the United States, John Roy Carl­son pub­lished Cairo to Dam­as­cus in 1951. A work that is at least impor­tant today as it was when pub­lished, Cairo to Dam­as­cus recorded the Nazi recrude­s­cence in the Mid­dle East after the end of World War II. With alarm, Carl­son wrote that, if the sit­u­a­tion were not cor­rected, the Third Reich alumni in the “Holy Land” would pre­cip­i­tate a cat­a­stro­phe of epic pro­por­tions. In the post-911 era, his words are haunting.

In the fourth chap­ter of the book, Carl­son writes of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood, the Islamic fas­cist orga­ni­za­tion that is the par­ent orga­ni­za­tion of Al Qaeda, Hamas and Pales­tin­ian Islamic Jihad. On pages 91 and 92 of the orig­i­nal text, Carl­son inter­viewed Has­san al-Banna, the founder of the Mus­lim Broth­er­hood, find­ing his total­i­tar­ian inter­pre­ta­tion of Islam to be iden­ti­cal with the way West­ern total­i­tar­i­ans approached Chris­tian­ity. Enun­ci­at­ing the Mus­lim Brotherhood’s goal of estab­lish­ing a world­wide total­i­tar­ian Islamic theoc­racy, al-Banna antic­i­pates the doc­trine expressed in the Broth­er­hood doc­u­ment The Project, dis­cussed in FTR#537. “ . . . I asked his views on estab­lish­ing the Caliphate, the com­plete merger of Church and State—the Moslem equiv­a­lent of reli­gious total­i­tar­i­an­ism, as in Spain. ‘We want an Ara­bian United States with a Caliphate at its head and every Arab state sub­scrib­ing whole­heart­edly to the laws of the Koran. . . . The laws of the Koran are suit­able for all men at all times to the end of the world.’ . . . I could not help mak­ing a men­tal note that the word ‘Chris­t­ian’ has been sim­i­larly used and with sim­i­lar fanati­cism among West­ern expo­nents of author­i­tar­i­an­ism. . . .”
(Cairo to Dam­as­cus, p. 92.)

In addi­tion to relat­ing his per­sonal encoun­ters with Nazi com­bat vet­er­ans of World War II, Carl­son writes exten­sively of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem—SS offi­cer, Axis spy, recruiter of numer­ous com­bat units for the Third Reich, and the first leader of the Pales­tin­ian national move­ment. Carl­son related the Grand Mufti’s cre­ation of the World Mus­lim Con­gress. The WMC even­tu­ally became the Islamic branch of the fas­cist World Anti-Communist League and a pri­mary ele­ment in the U.S.-backed Afghan war against the Soviet Union. (That con­flict ulti­mately spawned Al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden as a mil­i­tary leader.) “In Feb­ru­ary 1951 he sud­denly reap­peared in Karachi, Pak­istan to meet old friends who had sup­ported his cause in Iraq and to pre­side over a twelve-day World Moslem Con­gress. In a typ­i­cal inflam­ma­tory address, he called for a ‘full strug­gle’ by the Moslems ‘to meet the aggressor’—meaning, in this instance, the non-Moslem Hin­dus of India. He assured the del­e­gates: ‘We shall meet next with sword in hand on the soil of either Kash­mir or Pales­tine.’” (Ibid.; p. 423.) (For more about the Grand Mufti, see—among other programs—FTR#414, as well as FTR#456.

Carlson’s assess­ment of the Arab-Israeli con­flict is as rel­e­vant today as when the book was pub­lished: “ . . . I pray that these ancient Semitic peo­ples will rec­on­cile their dif­fer­ences, that Pales­tine refugees who, in the main, left their homes because Arab lead­ers urged them to do so—expecting a short war and a quick victory—will be reset­tled. The only alter­na­tive to peace is dis­as­ter for Arab, Jew, and Chris­t­ian, for none may hope to pros­per alone. . . .” (Ibid.; p. viii.)

Ya, this fellow ought to read the Bible if he wants to find some really violent sick shit.