I have been fined for not having a drivers licence.. this will be fun

Because they made up that rule, "Ignorance of the law is no excuse". It doesn't appear to matter that no person could EVER even read all the laws they make, let alone understand them all. Even lawyers have to specialise, not even a lawyer can know and understand all the laws they make.

IT'S DISGUSTING!!!!!

This site charges for their ebook of information, but this is the gist of their arguments about fines.

About Traffic Fines

All traffic fines that are being currently issued in Australia are being issued unlawfully!

In essence, no "Road Rules" publiction in ANY state has been lawfully enacted. No state government can lawfully enact them because they contravene our funadental Constitutional rights (Section 92 of the Commonwealth Constituion) to travel freely on our roads.

All the road rules are just that - rules. They are NOT Acts or Laws. You must remember that these rules were only ever put in place to help create an even flow of traffic. It makes sense to have Stop signs and Give Way signs that INDICATE what people SHOULD do, but you cannot punish them for not doing it unless they actually cause an accident.

[link to www.aussiespeedingfines.com]

P.S: This is for the benefit of the people who are arguing with Shane, since he already seems to be aware of this.

So in your opinion, the Traffic Act doesn't exist? Weird.

Traffic Act 1949, Qld: [link to www.legislation.qld.gov.au]

Lawyers like to quote other cases to support their story in court. Why not quote this one to them:

Marcus Einfeld jailed for perjury

Marcus Einfeld has been jailed for two years.

Marcus Richard Einfeld has made Australian legal history as the first superior court judge to be jailed.

In a spectacular fall from grace, the 70-year-old retired Federal Court judge, once lauded as a national living treasure, will spend at least the next two years in prison, segregated from other inmates for his own safety.

His loss of freedom and reputation stemmed from the web of lies he concocted to avoid incurring demerit points on his driver's licence after being issued with a $75 speeding ticket in 2006.

Justice Bruce James said Einfeld engaged in "deliberate, premeditated perjury" and "calculating criminality".


[link to news.ninemsn.com.au]

What I had pasted is not my opinion, it is the opinion of the people who did the research and set up that website - Aussie Speeding Fines.

Note that you have pasted an Act, not a Law.

They 'Act' like we have to do as they say, and they 'Act' like they would obey laws. But those who administer them always exhonerate themselves or their buddies, without tickets or trials.

It is just Joe Norm who does not have the power not to take part in the 'Act'.

Well you wrote "They are NOT Acts or Laws." Clearly the "Traffic Act 1949 Qld" is an Act.

"Act" is short for "Act of Parliament", and Acts contain laws. You shouldn't believe everything you read on the internet, that's for sure.

And I thought he was travelling.

Read what is said in other posts about travelling...try to comprehend.
As for jumping through the hoop...what makes you believe that it's the "State's" statute which he is complying with. Perhaps it's his own society!

Some people just follow...rules...

Yes, you have the right to WALK - They cannot take that away. But since it is tax $ that pay for the roads, they have every right to manage the use and the safety of the objects they build. So in order to operate a motor vehicle on the streets that THEY paid for, you must show that you can do so safely - ie not kill everyone around you. The token of that proof is called a "License".

Good Luck

No not to travel. The licence is to operate a motor vehicle. You can travel as much as you like without a motor vehicle operators licence, if you walk, or ride a horse, or travel by non-motor powered vehicle.

It is quite simple. The operation of a motorized vehicle is illegal in most public places. A licence is a permit to do that which is otherwise illegal. The reason that the operation of a motorized vehicle is illegal in most public places is that there is the possibility of losing control and harming others or damaging property. One is permitted to perform this activity under licence, when one has demonstrated competence to do so, to a licensing authority.

You've got some strange ideas about tax there cowboy. Where do you think they got the tax from? Who paid for the streets?

Sheesh.

Clearly, I stated earlier that I did not write that, I pasted it from the website. Maybe I should have put it in inverted commas, but its too late now.

That is what the people who did the research have written, and the video about bursting the bubble of government deception contains the same type of information.

Argue with them. Personally, I am not interested in researching the difference between Laws, Acts, Rules, etc, except for where they apply to my own problems.

I am merely trying to point people to information which can help people's in the same position as Shane, and for the people arguing about his right to argue and stand up to these so calls "laws".

What I do know, is that it is all an Act. That the people who impose and enforce these laws upon us, do not follow them themselves. And that is what pisses me off.

Please excuse people's typo above, am running out of time online, and mis-edited. Don't want the spelling nazi's on my case, as well as Mr Law-abiding-citizen.

The people who "did the research" are BSing you. They said that these acts don't exist. In less than five minutes of research, I found the Traffic Act 1949 of Qld. So don't believe them!

And I'm not going to argue with them, because they aren't here. You posted it. You still think it is true, despite it being obvious BS.

Let us know how the Aussie nick is...

When you get out in a couple years, I mean...

You seem to be a great member of mankind. Drunk driving makes you real proud, eh? I hope everybody is able to jump clear out of your way. If not and you run somebody over, I wish you are miserable for the rest of your life.

What are you, a parking cop? There are people who have used their arguments in court and won. There are other times the judge or magistrate threw them out of court on their ass.

There is a few groups in Australia who do drive without licences or without registering their cars, because they had a barrister on their side who was able to prove their cases in a way the court approved of.

If it can save you a fine, it is worth arguing. If you don't believe in being controlled, then as Martin Luther King says, if you don't take a stand for what you believe in, then you might as well be dead.

Me, I would try to avoid court, since only the lawyers win there, with their pockets. If I am ever unfortunate enough to have to enter a court, and I do have an outstanding fine at the moment, I will do the same as Shane, represent myself and refuse to feed the trolls of the world.

The powers that be give you an anklet device here. All our prisons are full.

No I'm not a parking cop. These are people who are MAKING SHIT UP and LYING TO YOU. Can it be any more clear????

I will believe what I choose to believe, and not what you tell me to. I might prefer to believe that it is you who are making shit up and lying to me.

At this point in my life, I prefer to believe that a corrupt government is getting way out of control in fining us everytime we fart on a road, and hope that these people you call 'liars' are able to help us to fight that.

I am on their side and not the governments. You can choose whichever side you want to barrack for, that is your choice.

So they say "They are NOT Acts or Laws". And you believe them, despite that this is OBVIOUSLY WRONG??? Okay good luck with that.

Long story short. Your fucked.

If the law in Australia is anything like the laws are here, you can drive/ operate/ make go fast -- any sort of contraption in your own back yard, or upon the property of anyone else who gives you permission to do so.

You can sit your kid up on phone books in the seat and let him drive around your own back yard.

That's how I actually learned to drive.

The matter at issue is "upon whose property" one operates machinery.

Yeah he is...

ShaneCMuir ShaneCMuir ShaneCMuir
he should say plates
then we wouldn't be disagreeing
lol

How much of the information presented in the video and on the website did you read before you decided that the are wrong and lying?
You did one search on google, found a list of traffic rules and decided therefore they must be real.
Goodluck with believing everything you read on the net.
According to menard laws are illegal because they violate our basic human rights of freedom.

I was a trial lawyer for years until I just got fed-up and quit. Now I daytrade and life is SO much nicer . . .

But what so many well-meaning people just don't understand is this: the Court system is completely corrupt. Outsiders have ZERO chance of winning. Some Judges in State Courts are still honest but every single Federal Court Judge is bought-and-paid for -- or else they would never get the lifetime appointment necessary to be a Federal Judge. 95%+ of all State Court Judges too.

Judges are politicians that wear black robes and demand that you grovel and treat them as if they were superior when, in fact, most lawyers (that are even decent) make FAR more than a Judge. They have to take a big pay cut to be a Judge, so they're not interested. The Judge Politicians need that sweet job so they don't actually have to practice law -- which they suck at and can't do.

The Judge Politicans have to keep their Masters (higher-up politicians) happy or else it's back to their tiny little, sucky law office . . . and so a case is really decided before the first word is spoken in Court.

I wish to OP best of luck . . . but sadly you're gonna' lose!

So, by your premise, driving does not involve travel? Wouldn't traveling totally encompass driving?

I agree, you do have an inherent right to travel but only through your own powers. You can not say you have a right to do something that requires the labor of others, and unless you are flying the plane, steering the boat or driving a car, you require the labor of others to travel these ways. By demanding so you are saying that those people do not have the right to refuse.

With that said, the only forms of travel that you have a right to are walking, running, crawling, rolling, tumbling, skipping, hopping and jumping. Biking is possible if you can build your own bicycle, from scratch.

Try walking into a store that sells any mode of conveyance and tell them you're taking a car, or bike, or plane, or boat to use to travel and, unless you pay their price, they'll laugh you out of the store. The key word there is PAY.

Or try hopping in a strangers car and tell them you have a right to travel and since they are going your way, they have to take you too. Not going to work.

If "Shane" had been ticketed for walking down a street without his "walking license" I'd be with him, but he wasn't.

And what "society" would be against licensing drivers but then require license plates on a vehicle? If you're going to be against the government's intrusion in your life by way of driver's license requirements, you're not going to be in favor of government intrusion for purposes of registering a car.

You're either very funny or a sadly misguided fool.