RAPTURE YES BUT NOT PRE-TRIB

pretty much agree on all points....(except maybe that the 7 year tribulation has actually begun.)

pretty much agree on all points....(except maybe that the 7 year tribulation has actually begun.)

pretty much agree on all points....(except maybe that the 7 year tribulation has actually begun.)

You are referring to Daniels one week prophecy. Let’s look closely at the last week/ 7-year block (Block 3); for this is the period of time that many think will be the famous “Seven-year Tribulation” of the future:

3 ½ Years + 3 ½ Years = 7 years (one week)
o This block starts in 27 AD. What happened in this year? Christ was baptized, anointed, and started His public ministry.
o The "midst of the week" started in 31 AD (3 ½ years later). What happened in this year? Christ was killed on the cross.(New Covenant confirmed.)
o This block ends in 34 AD. What happened in this year? Stephen, the last disciple to the Jews, was stoned by the Sanhedrin and the Gospel went out to the Gentiles.

pretty much agree on all points....(except maybe that the 7 year tribulation has actually begun.)

You are referring to Daniels one week prophecy. Let’s look closely at the last week/ 7-year block (Block 3); for this is the period of time that many think will be the famous “Seven-year Tribulation” of the future:

3 ½ Years + 3 ½ Years = 7 years (one week)
o This block starts in 27 AD. What happened in this year? Christ was baptized, anointed, and started His public ministry.
o The "midst of the week" started in 31 AD (3 ½ years later). What happened in this year? Christ was killed on the cross.(New Covenant confirmed.)
o This block ends in 34 AD. What happened in this year? Stephen, the last disciple to the Jews, was stoned by the Sanhedrin and the Gospel went out to the Gentiles.


Rubbish. The 70th week of Daniel is the last seven years before the 2nd coming of Jesus. It's future.

pretty much agree on all points....(except maybe that the 7 year tribulation has actually begun.)

You are referring to Daniels one week prophecy. Let’s look closely at the last week/ 7-year block (Block 3); for this is the period of time that many think will be the famous “Seven-year Tribulation” of the future:

3 ½ Years + 3 ½ Years = 7 years (one week)
o This block starts in 27 AD. What happened in this year? Christ was baptized, anointed, and started His public ministry.
o The "midst of the week" started in 31 AD (3 ½ years later). What happened in this year? Christ was killed on the cross.(New Covenant confirmed.)
o This block ends in 34 AD. What happened in this year? Stephen, the last disciple to the Jews, was stoned by the Sanhedrin and the Gospel went out to the Gentiles.


Rubbish. The 70th week of Daniel is the last seven years before the 2nd coming of Jesus. It's future.

FUNNY STUFF RIGHT HERE ...

you're getting your little kid panties all in a bunch over something that is not even stated in your book.

Show the book, chapter and verse that uses the word 'rapture'.

It's simply wishful thinking/believing that you all are somehow 'special' because your invisible friend says so.

hahahaha

if it was in the past we would be in the millinniel kingdom no wouldn't we? Does it look like that? No. We have the future 70th week, then the return of Jesus and then follow the millenium when Jesus rules on Earth and Satan is bound.

So you don't count the 3 1/2 year ministry of Christ as half of the 70th week?

Care to explain why you might ignore such an important event?

FUNNY STUFF RIGHT HERE ...

you're getting your little kid panties all in a bunch over something that is not even stated in your book.

Show the book, chapter and verse that uses the word 'rapture'.

It's simply wishful thinking/believing that you all are somehow 'special' because your invisible friend says so.

hahahaha

It means to be caught up with, just like the word dinosaur was not found in the 1700's

for all you rapturetards check out John 17 vs 15 & 20.

vs.15 I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil.

vs.20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word.

Just thought it might be nice to put a little scripture in here.

FUNNY STUFF RIGHT HERE ...

you're getting your little kid panties all in a bunch over something that is not even stated in your book.

Show the book, chapter and verse that uses the word 'rapture'.

It's simply wishful thinking/believing that you all are somehow 'special' because your invisible friend says so.

hahahaha

It means to be caught up with, just like the word dinosaur was not found in the 1700's


I know what it means and I know the origin of its use, do you?

more made up stuff to go along with all the made of stuff already in there.

it's amazing, on a conspiracy forum where people yell BS with no link, there are folks who throw away everything and blindly believe this stuff without doing any research ... your precious book was, at the very least, edited many many times to reflect the desires of those in POWER ... at the most, the whole thing is made up from whole cloth.

your creator gave you a mind that is capable of reasoning, perhaps you should all take a good and honest look at what you believe, who started it, and who's had their greasy fingers on it since ...

pretty much agree on all points....(except maybe that the 7 year tribulation has actually begun.)

You are referring to Daniels one week prophecy. Let’s look closely at the last week/ 7-year block (Block 3); for this is the period of time that many think will be the famous “Seven-year Tribulation” of the future:

3 ½ Years + 3 ½ Years = 7 years (one week)
o This block starts in 27 AD. What happened in this year? Christ was baptized, anointed, and started His public ministry.
o The "midst of the week" started in 31 AD (3 ½ years later). What happened in this year? Christ was killed on the cross.(New Covenant confirmed.)
o This block ends in 34 AD. What happened in this year? Stephen, the last disciple to the Jews, was stoned by the Sanhedrin and the Gospel went out to the Gentiles.


Rubbish. The 70th week of Daniel is the last seven years before the 2nd coming of Jesus. It's future.

Give me your proof Mr. Van Impe.

So you don't count the 3 1/2 year ministry of Christ as half of the 70th week?

Care to explain why you might ignore such an important event?


Daniel 9:26

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

This is at the end of the 69th week. Messiah is "cut off", crucified. The 70th week is the last week, after the time of the gentiles.

for all you rapturetards check out John 17 vs 15 & 20.

vs.15 I pray not that thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that thou shouldst keep them from the evil.

vs.20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word.

Just thought it might be nice to put a little scripture in here.

Thanks. Narrow path is the way to salvation but majority of Christians are following the wide path that leads to destruction. Van Impe, Hal Lyndsay, Benny Hinn, Rod Parsley.

Here are 10 reasons why the 70th week of Daniel 9 was actually fulfilled by Christ about 2,000 years ago:
1. Verse 24 defines “Seventy weeks” as a single block of time.
2. The 70th week must come after the 69th week; else it can’t really be called the 70th week.
3. It is illogical and unbiblical to move the last week of this prophecy to the end of the world. There is nothing in the text of the prophecy that indicates to do such.
4. The focus of the prophecy is on the Messiah, not the antichrist.“Messiah” and “Christ” means “anointed one”– who was anointed during the last “week” of the prophecy? Jesus Christ!
5. Verse 27 says a covenant is “confirmed” in the midst of the week, not broken in the midst of the week. Who creates/confirms covenants in the Bible? Christ only! See Romans 15:8 to see that it was Jesus who “confirmed” the promises made unto the fathers, not antichrist.
6. Verse 27 says “he shall confirm the covenant with many”. Compare this to Matthew 26:28.
7. Verse 27 says “midst of the week”(3 ½ years) the sacrifices would cease. When Christ died the temple veil was “rent” from top to bottom and the Jewish sacrifices ceased.(see Matt 27:51) This was the mark that signified any further sacrifices were of no effect in the sight of God.
8. Verse 27 says “he shall make it desolate”. Compare this to Matt 23:38. Who left the temple desolate? Christ!
9. The first 3 ½ years of the 70th week Christ ministered only to the Jews – the second 3 ½ years the disciples ministered to the Jews; thus the 70th week is finished at this point, 34 AD, not a future time.
10. The disciple Stephan was stoned to death by the Sanhedrin in 34 AD which caused the Gospel to go to the Gentiles. This event marks the end of the prophecy

Wow a little sour are we. You did not have to come to this post you could've checked out anything on the net. Looks like you have questions but are a little uptight.

So you don't count the 3 1/2 year ministry of Christ as half of the 70th week?

Care to explain why you might ignore such an important event?


Daniel 9:26

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

This is at the end of the 69th week. Messiah is "cut off", crucified. The 70th week is the last week, after the time of the gentiles.



Wrong. Messiah is cut off after threescore and 2 weeks. Read what you wrote above.

Then shall He confirm the covenant with many ( Christ is the one who confirms the covenant... see Hebrews ) and in the midst of the week (midst of the 70th week) he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.... (no more sacrifices needed after His once for all sacrifice) and for the overspreading of abonominations.. (the continuation of animal sacrifices) he shall make it desolate. This happened when PRINCE Titus, the prince of the people came and destroyed Jerusalem.


3 1/2 years left from where the count left off after the midst of the week.

Wow a little sour are we. You did not have to come to this post you could've checked out anything on the net. Looks like you have questions but are a little uptight.


nah, not a bit. I always get a good laugh whenever people start talking about the rapture.

look, you're trying to discuss something that was made up (rapture) to explain more stuff that was made up.

So you don't count the 3 1/2 year ministry of Christ as half of the 70th week?

Care to explain why you might ignore such an important event?


Daniel 9:26

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

This is at the end of the 69th week. Messiah is "cut off", crucified. The 70th week is the last week, after the time of the gentiles.



Wrong. Messiah is cut off after threescore and 2 weeks. Read what you wrote above.

Then shall He confirm the covenant with many ( Christ is the one who confirms the covenant... see Hebrews ) and in the midst of the week (midst of the 70th week) he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.... (no more sacrifices needed after His once for all sacrifice) and for the overspreading of abonominations.. (the continuation of animal sacrifices) he shall make it desolate. This happened when PRINCE Titus, the prince of the people came and destroyed Jerusalem.


3 1/2 years left from where the count left off after the midst of the week.

The first 3 ½ years of the 70th week Christ ministered only to the Jews – the second 3 ½ years the disciples ministered to the Jews; thus the 70th week is finished at this point, 34 AD, not a future time.

So you don't count the 3 1/2 year ministry of Christ as half of the 70th week?

Care to explain why you might ignore such an important event?


Daniel 9:26

"And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

This is at the end of the 69th week. Messiah is "cut off", crucified. The 70th week is the last week, after the time of the gentiles.



Wrong. Messiah is cut off after threescore and 2 weeks. Read what you wrote above.

Then shall He confirm the covenant with many ( Christ is the one who confirms the covenant... see Hebrews ) and in the midst of the week (midst of the 70th week) he shall cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.... (no more sacrifices needed after His once for all sacrifice) and for the overspreading of abonominations.. (the continuation of animal sacrifices) he shall make it desolate. This happened when PRINCE Titus, the prince of the people came and destroyed Jerusalem.


3 1/2 years left from where the count left off after the midst of the week.

The first 3 ½ years of the 70th week Christ ministered only to the Jews – the second 3 ½ years the disciples ministered to the Jews; thus the 70th week is finished at this point, 34 AD, not a future time.




Christ being cut off in the midst of the week makes it pretty clear that at least the first half of the 70th week is gone.

But the rest of what you say is not in scripture. It's just you saying it. At least as far as the second half of the week is concerned.

And IF, there is still the second half of a week to go, that lines up nicely with the length of time the witnesses are doing their thing in Sodom and Egypt, where also our lord was crucified.

Ya know?

At least you aren't attributing the works of Christ to the antichrist in Daniel 9 like so many do, what with covenants becoming treaties and confirming covenants becoming breaking treaties etc.