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Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 1217224 ![]() 01/04/2011 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | On hell. Better to shovel coal in hell than to spend eternity watching friends, neighbors and our children in torture and flame forever. Only a sick mind would conceive of such a situation or wish it upon anyone. That is why God would not do such because then, heaven would be hell. If those in heaven did not go insane then they could not have once been human or good. [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] Is God good? [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.youtube.com] Satan’s history. [link to www.religioustolerance.org] [link to www.religioustolerance.org] [link to abcnews.go.com] -----About ½ way down the page. O T, N T, Jesus and hell. [link to www.youtube.com] What the Bible says. Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. By any definition, sendind souls to hell is overcoming evil with evil and hell in this sense is not Biblical. Regards DL |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1204920 ![]() 01/04/2011 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The "Traditional" hell was invented by the catholic church to keep the sheep subdued and regularly fleeced..NOTHING has changed..as the modern church still does this today. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1217226Exactly. Until Rome took over, the predominant belief of the early church was that eventually, everyone would be reconciled to God. But it takes *fear* to control people, so Religion Inc. changed the menu to suit their ambitions. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 754098 ![]() 01/08/2011 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need to go a few steps back first. Quoting: Greatest I amHow do you define hell? As indicated above, the traditional everlasting torture type of hell. Regards DL Hell is the present abode of the dead who rejected God in this life. Hell was created for Satan and his rebelious angels, not man. You claim hell last forever but is destroyed in the end by being thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire lasts forever. You question God's morality. Let's see. If you are traped in a burning building and a fireman who knows the only way out tells you the path. As you make your way out, others entice you to follow them to safety to their own rooms. These safe rooms will all be destroyed when the building burns. Now if you, someone trying to escape the fire, ignore the advice of the only one with credentials and listen to those who have decided to stay in the burning to their own peril, how can you justify calling the one trying to save your sorry ass with a crime? You deserve hell. We all do. The way was made. It's your choice. Take it or leave it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1204920 ![]() 01/08/2011 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you are traped in a burning building and a fireman who knows the only way out tells you the path. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754098God isn't a fireman. . .He's the fire itself. He burns up our impurities, either today as we yield willingly, or later without any choice in the matter. |
Greatest I am (OP) User ID: 1223724 ![]() 01/09/2011 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We need to go a few steps back first. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754098How do you define hell? As indicated above, the traditional everlasting torture type of hell. Regards DL Hell is the present abode of the dead who rejected God in this life. Hell was created for Satan and his rebelious angels, not man. You claim hell last forever but is destroyed in the end by being thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire lasts forever. You question God's morality. Let's see. If you are traped in a burning building and a fireman who knows the only way out tells you the path. As you make your way out, others entice you to follow them to safety to their own rooms. These safe rooms will all be destroyed when the building burns. Now if you, someone trying to escape the fire, ignore the advice of the only one with credentials and listen to those who have decided to stay in the burning to their own peril, how can you justify calling the one trying to save your sorry ass with a crime? You deserve hell. We all do. The way was made. It's your choice. Take it or leave it. Given that God wills the very best for us, and given that we ourselves want the very best for ourselves, then it would seem that no one could make a FULLY INFORMED decision against God. And if not FULLY INFORMED, then the free will defense of hell falls down. For me, this would apply to the above, given that to reject that which is (by the definition of Christians) the very best for us would imply that one is not fully informed. This argument is developed in many ways in Thomas Talbott's book "The Inescapable Love of God", where he shows how a doctrine of Universalism (all are eventually saved) is compatible with the Biblical teaching as found in the NT, especially the writings of St Paul. Regards DL |
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