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Changes in magnetic field could be responsible for massive bird and fish die-offs

 
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Birds also know gravity well.
I don't think birds are able to not notice gravity then fly straight down.
I just have a bit more faith in our feathered friends.

Their species was particular... all were redwing blackbirds apparently.

I don't know.
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Yup. No brainer, poison as the red tip is a target to farmers. I wonder why the secrete? Everyone I know prefers crops to blackbirds....
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If this was cuased by the sun you would have been seeing it regularly every single year world wide. Please, of course the sun impacts megnetism but it doesnt wipe out masses of birds and fish world wide withint 4 days for no apparent reason.

We have seen highs and lows in solar activity on record and im afraid this just doesnt even begin to account for what happened recently.



Study how magnetic fields work. you may learn something.



I suggest you study history and recorded data which we have going back years and years on solar activity....and then try showing some scientific support for the idea that the sun caused this.

If there was any credible science behind it, Mr Mainstream would have jumped all over it by now, there isnt and they havent because the simple fact is NOTHING in solar terms is new for us and this is NOT a normal happening due to solar activity and theres no scientific reason this should or would have occured.
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I NEVER said Sun I SAID Solar System or indeed it could be the CMEs coming from the Sun.

You would have to know the rotation of earth and CME data and impact data.

EVEN scientists don't know full well what the impacts of CME's are on the Earths atmosphere. At best it's guesswork.


One thing is sure though were birds have died AND NO KNOWN CAUSE can be found the where Birds have suffered severe trauma and are found lying on the ground with their organs smashed and blood coming from their beaks it's pretty evident to me they FLEW at the ground and what ever it was that affected them did so over a largish area (1 mile) and was almost instantaneous in each birds case.

Those bird that remained alive showed no signs of disease only confusion and wandering in circles evidence to me that they were not navigating properly.
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Song birds migrate at night, these birds fell from the sky at night.

They were using magnetic navigation to migrate and got jacked by a burst?
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Birds also know gravity well.
I don't think birds are able to not notice gravity then fly straight down.
I just have a bit more faith in our feathered friends.

Their species was particular... all were redwing blackbirds apparently.

I don't know.


Yup. No brainer, poison as the red tip is a target to farmers. I wonder why the secrete? Everyone I know prefers crops to blackbirds....
 Quoting: nrg(being obvious) 989174


I wish some of you lot would learn to fucking read properly

The types of birds were

Starlings
ref tip blackbird AND
Grackle.

They were mostly blackbird as these were "flocking" together.

But other birds were affected as well.
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Song birds migrate at night, these birds fell from the sky at night.

They were using magnetic navigation to migrate and got jacked by a burst?
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Bingo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Could these magnetic fluxes also be cause the very bizarre dreams and sleepless nights my family has been having?


ABSOLUTELY, yes!

I've been having alot of the bizarre equilibrium changes as well. You may want to assess other symtoms too....

There is seriously something disturbing amidst.
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I have an irregular heartbeat which plays up something chronic during solar flares and electromagnetic distrubances. During solar storms and just prior to 6.5+ earthquakes, my heart goes wild.

Actually, it's starting to go a bit funny now....
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The field is not a constant all over the globe...it fluxuates...and depending on how the sun is shooting off it's energy...there can be great affects to the earths fields...which have been proven to affect animals.

Just because we don't SEE that doesn't mean it's not there...
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Bingo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Could these magnetic fluxes also be cause the very bizarre dreams and sleepless nights my family has been having?


ABSOLUTELY, yes!

I've been having alot of the bizarre equilibrium changes as well. You may want to assess other symtoms too....

There is seriously something disturbing amidst.



I have an irregular heartbeat which plays up something chronic during solar flares and electromagnetic distrubances. During solar storms and just prior to 6.5+ earthquakes, my heart goes wild.

Actually, it's starting to go a bit funny now....
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Actually that could be another Theory.

Don't they say people with pacemakers keep away from magnets and electric storms?
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Birds also know gravity well.
I don't think birds are able to not notice gravity then fly straight down.
I just have a bit more faith in our feathered friends.

Their species was particular... all were redwing blackbirds apparently.

I don't know.


Yup. No brainer, poison as the red tip is a target to farmers. I wonder why the secrete? Everyone I know prefers crops to blackbirds....


I wish some of you lot would learn to fucking read properly

The types of birds were

Starlings
ref tip blackbird AND
Grackle.

They were mostly blackbird as these were "flocking" together.

But other birds were affected as well.
 Quoting: Magnetotard

the starlings..not long ago there was a video on here about how they would fly in formation in strange patterns. it was really beautiful and strange. someone mentioned it may have had to do with magnetic flux, the patterns they were making. idk..
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They were mostly blackbird as these were "flocking" together.

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fore and twenty blackbirds were baked in a pi....

b = be
l = l
a = 1
c = see
k = 11


be eleven see eleven



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I NEVER said Sun I SAID Solar System or indeed it could be the CMEs coming from the Sun.

You would have to know the rotation of earth and CME data and impact data.

EVEN scientists don't know full well what the impacts of CME's are on the Earths atmosphere. At best it's guesswork.


One thing is sure though were birds have died AND NO KNOWN CAUSE can be found the where Birds have suffered severe trauma and are found lying on the ground with their organs smashed and blood coming from their beaks it's pretty evident to me they FLEW at the ground and what ever it was that affected them did so over a largish area (1 mile) and was almost instantaneous in each birds case.

Those bird that remained alive showed no signs of disease only confusion and wandering in circles evidence to me that they were not navigating properly.
 Quoting: Magnetotard


Their organs weren't "smashed" they hemorrhaged BEFORE impact with any object!!

Big friggin difference there friend!


And I'm surprised none of you find it statistically odd that this occurred in the town of BEEBE, Ark??

The governor of Ark. is Mike BEEBE !


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Birds also know gravity well.
I don't think birds are able to not notice gravity then fly straight down.
I just have a bit more faith in our feathered friends.

Their species was particular... all were redwing blackbirds apparently.

I don't know.


Yup. No brainer, poison as the red tip is a target to farmers. I wonder why the secrete? Everyone I know prefers crops to blackbirds....


I wish some of you lot would learn to fucking read properly

The types of birds were

Starlings
ref tip blackbird AND
Grackle.

They were mostly blackbird as these were "flocking" together.

But other birds were affected as well.

the starlings..not long ago there was a video on here about how they would fly in formation in strange patterns. it was really beautiful and strange. someone mentioned it may have had to do with magnetic flux, the patterns they were making. idk..
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Yes That would be ME.I've been saying it from the begining of the Bird and FISH kill in the same area.
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I NEVER said Sun I SAID Solar System or indeed it could be the CMEs coming from the Sun.

You would have to know the rotation of earth and CME data and impact data.

EVEN scientists don't know full well what the impacts of CME's are on the Earths atmosphere. At best it's guesswork.


One thing is sure though were birds have died AND NO KNOWN CAUSE can be found the where Birds have suffered severe trauma and are found lying on the ground with their organs smashed and blood coming from their beaks it's pretty evident to me they FLEW at the ground and what ever it was that affected them did so over a largish area (1 mile) and was almost instantaneous in each birds case.

Those bird that remained alive showed no signs of disease only confusion and wandering in circles evidence to me that they were not navigating properly.


Their organs weren't "smashed" they hemorrhaged BEFORE impact with any object!!

Big friggin difference there friend!


And I'm surprised none of you find it statistically odd that this occurred in the town of BEEBE, Ark??

The governor of Ark. is Mike BEEBE !


~SE~
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Do you know that the liver is made up from at least 65% -75% Blood? as you body is made up from 60-75% water.

If I took your liver coated it in a skin bag and feathers then shot it at tarmac at 30mph there really wouldn't be much left to show you.
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I NEVER said Sun I SAID Solar System or indeed it could be the CMEs coming from the Sun.

You would have to know the rotation of earth and CME data and impact data.

EVEN scientists don't know full well what the impacts of CME's are on the Earths atmosphere. At best it's guesswork.


One thing is sure though were birds have died AND NO KNOWN CAUSE can be found the where Birds have suffered severe trauma and are found lying on the ground with their organs smashed and blood coming from their beaks it's pretty evident to me they FLEW at the ground and what ever it was that affected them did so over a largish area (1 mile) and was almost instantaneous in each birds case.

Those bird that remained alive showed no signs of disease only confusion and wandering in circles evidence to me that they were not navigating properly.
 Quoting: Magnetotard



I agree with the navigation and I agree with the interference in the magnetism/ionosphere. Very valid.

I dont agree that its in any way natural simply because recorded history tells us this siply doesnt happen normally. Now if there was some valid reason to suggest this time was difference some rare actitivy, something out of the ordinary, fair enough but there isnt which I why I cant see any natural reasoning for this.

If it was natural one would have to presume we would have seem this before as we have been through the exact conditions we are seeing now before, many times probably and it just doesnt kill birds and fish.

Above solar radiation doesnt hit at once, its a spray which reaches the earth over a period of months even yearsm, its impact is never instant. SOmething so specific and so defined in such a small period of time for me indicates human intervantion because nature is far more wide ranging in its time frame and its impacts are far less targetted and specific.

This was for me 100% done by the hand of man, pick a poison, HAARP, chem trails, Monstanto and their wld tamperings, whatever but the hand of man was behind this imho.
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Do you know that the liver is made up from at least 65% -75% Blood?
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the liver is the true heart of humans....
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I NEVER said Sun I SAID Solar System or indeed it could be the CMEs coming from the Sun.

You would have to know the rotation of earth and CME data and impact data.

EVEN scientists don't know full well what the impacts of CME's are on the Earths atmosphere. At best it's guesswork.


One thing is sure though were birds have died AND NO KNOWN CAUSE can be found the where Birds have suffered severe trauma and are found lying on the ground with their organs smashed and blood coming from their beaks it's pretty evident to me they FLEW at the ground and what ever it was that affected them did so over a largish area (1 mile) and was almost instantaneous in each birds case.

Those bird that remained alive showed no signs of disease only confusion and wandering in circles evidence to me that they were not navigating properly.



I agree with the navigation and I agree with the interference in the magnetism/ionosphere. Very valid.

I dont agree that its in any way natural simply because recorded history tells us this siply doesnt happen normally. Now if there was some valid reason to suggest this time was difference some rare actitivy, something out of the ordinary, fair enough but there isnt which I why I cant see any natural reasoning for this.

If it was natural one would have to presume we would have seem this before as we have been through the exact conditions we are seeing now before, many times probably and it just doesnt kill birds and fish.

Above solar radiation doesnt hit at once, its a spray which reaches the earth over a period of months even yearsm, its impact is never instant. SOmething so specific and so defined in such a small period of time for me indicates human intervantion because nature is far more wide ranging in its time frame and its impacts are far less targetted and specific.

This was for me 100% done by the hand of man, pick a poison, HAARP, chem trails, Monstanto and their wld tamperings, whatever but the hand of man was behind this imho.
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What I'm saying is that MAGNETIC FIELDS are Natural not The event of MAGNETIC FLUX which is caused by something that ISN'T NORMAL..

I.E an event, a change in earths plates, a CME, a Solar System cloud perhaps or un-natural space effects that we haven't even begun to appreciate or discover yet.
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but if they 'flew into the ground', wouldn't the cause of death be obvious?


smashed/broken/bloody


were they found in that state?



Pulverised internal organs broken , bleeding beaks, YES THEY WERE.
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Question is did that happen when they hit the ground?
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Do you know that the liver is made up from at least 65% -75% Blood? as you body is made up from 60-75% water.

If I took your liver coated it in a skin bag and feathers then shot it at tarmac at 30mph there really wouldn't be much left to show you.
 Quoting: Magnetotard


Since you've quoted me and offered back something completely irrelevant to what I've said...

What does your reply have to do with what I've said to you?

and

What the hell does that have to do with internal hemorrhage BEFORE impact with any object.. genius???


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What I'm saying is that MAGNETIC FIELDS are Natural not The event of MAGNETIC FLUX which is caused by something that ISN'T NORMAL..

I.E an event, a change in earths plates, a CME, a Solar System cloud perhaps or un-natural space effects that we haven't even begun to appreciate or discover yet.
 Quoting: Magnetotard



Fair enough. In terms of solar clouds I think the timeframe goes against you, the imapact would be far more gradual and wide ranging because those kind of events span out and impact the earth over periods of time.

A solar flare for example doesnt hit the Earths mangentic shielding as a single bullit, it hits like a cloud over time in waves, months maybe even years can pass between the first contact and the last from the same flare.

We agree on the magnetic possibility and the fact that its not normal.

My preference it to look at the hand of humans in it because immediate immpact events like this tend to indicate human actitivy as opposed to natural acts.
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I really don't have an answer as to how a magnetic flux could have been created I only believe that in light of no OTHER CAUSE and the fact these en-mass kill affected birds and fish I looked at what could affect BOTH FISH AND BIRDS which would cause them to BEHAVE in this way.

The ONLY logical explanation is Magnetic Flux or intereference.

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Song birds migrate at night, these birds fell from the sky at night.

They were using magnetic navigation to migrate and got jacked by a burst?
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Or got caught in the wake of a passing ufo...
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At least your explanation offers something plausible!

But it doesn't, however, explain the hundreds of thousands of dead fish carcasses strewn for 20 miles down the Arkansas River!
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This is an unrelated event. IMO
(Which also just so happen to be a favorite snaking food of scavenger birds!)
 Quoting: ~SE~ 1113612

If the fish died from corexit, then other scavenger species would be dying closer to the vicinity of the fish-kill.

Neither does localized flock poisoning for that matter.

We can't presume the two events are linked.
Mass poisoning such as that which occurs during "fracking" (fracturing the sub-strata for natural gas extraction) and the propagation of the chemical COREXIT 9500 (which is known to cause internal hemorrhage and was dumped all over the Gulf!) do offer a couple of explanations worth considering.
 Quoting: ~SE~ 1113612

The consequences of spraying Corexit will be the real story.
The birds in Ar. are just a trivial thing in comparison.
Especially so since the largest shareholder is the same company in both NALCO (manufacturer of COREXIT) and BP !!

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Yes, that sounds fishy. That's the real story.
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Birds also know gravity well.
I don't think birds are able to not notice gravity then fly straight down.
I just have a bit more faith in our feathered friends.

Their species was particular... all were redwing blackbirds apparently.

I don't know.


Yup. No brainer, poison as the red tip is a target to farmers. I wonder why the secrete? Everyone I know prefers crops to blackbirds....


I wish some of you lot would learn to fucking read properly

The types of birds were

Starlings
ref tip blackbird AND
Grackle.

They were mostly blackbird as these were "flocking" together.

But other birds were affected as well.

the starlings..not long ago there was a video on here about how they would fly in formation in strange patterns. it was really beautiful and strange. someone mentioned it may have had to do with magnetic flux, the patterns they were making. idk..


Yes That would be ME.I've been saying it from the begining of the Bird and FISH kill in the same area.
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and the magnetic thing is something that would be global even if only on certain areas of the globe..would explain how this is happening all the sudden all around the world.
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interesting theory, might explain the dizziness people are reporting, but odds are its most likely caused by man. chems or military experiment gone wrong maybe
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The field is not a constant all over the globe...it fluxuates...and depending on how the sun is shooting off it's energy...there can be great affects to the earths fields...which have been proven to affect animals.

Just because we don't SEE that doesn't mean it's not there...
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Do you know that the liver is made up from at least 65% -75% Blood? as you body is made up from 60-75% water.

If I took your liver coated it in a skin bag and feathers then shot it at tarmac at 30mph there really wouldn't be much left to show you.


Since you've quoted me and offered back something completely irrelevant to what I've said...

What does your reply have to do with what I've said to you?

and

What the hell does that have to do with internal hemorrhage BEFORE impact with any object.. genius???


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 Quoting: ~SE~ 1113612



It's not irrelevant.

THE FACTS ARE THESE

1.The Birds smashed into ground

2. 15 yes 15 Birds out of 5000 found with Livers smashed, broken bones and beaks bleeding

3. Other birds found with beak damage and broken bones but no liquefied organs (did they land on grass?)

4. No toxins or poisons found



What YOU are guessing!

1. Liquefied Organs (Reported by Alex Jones) Yeah Right!!!

2. Internal Haemorrhaging (What qualifies YOU to make this diagnosis) ?
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A very interesting Chinese article ties all of this together...
Original link:
[link to www.chou4.com]
Translated:
[link to translate.google.com]

Specific proteins in migratory birds eye "cryptochrome"


Human eyes contain cryptochrome proteins....can't see without them....
 Quoting: Sugarelf


whoops....wrong spell there....

actually they are contained in the occipital lobe of the human brain....

sorry, i can be a bird brain sometimes....
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and the magnetic thing is something that would be global even if only on certain areas of the globe..would explain how this is happening all the sudden all around the world.
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It would dip and flux all over the place during destabilization...


Question...how much of a local magnetic difference would it take to turn the magnetite in their brains to a planet wielded bullet? How strong of a pulse would be required and is that within natural parameters?
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IMPORTANT: DATED NOV 2010

You've heard of the Bermuda Triangle, you may have even heard of its Pacific counterpart the Devil's Sear near Japan. But did you know about the South Atlantic Anomaly? It's a region over South America and the south Atlantic Ocean centered at about 30 degrees West and 30 degrees South, and it's big, a little larger than the entire United States. Some say it's a danger to anything entering it, and they point most specifically to the crash of Air France flight 447 in June of 2009, in which 228 people died. Whereas the Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's Sea are merely lines drawn on a map, the South Atlantic Anomaly is a measurable physical presence. Today, Skeptoid takes a look at what it is, what kind of danger it presents, and whether it really brought down Flight 447.

To understand the South Atlantic Anomaly, let's start by taking a quick look at the Earth's magnetic fields and the Van Allen radiation belts.

We all know that the Earth's magnetic axis is not the same as its rotational axis. As the Earth's molten, ferromagnetic liquid core churns, it generates a magnetic field, and the north-south axis of this field is tilted about 16° from the rotational axis. The north magnetic pole is in the north Canadian islands, but it moves around a lot, and it's currently headed northwest at about 64 km per year.

read more;...

[link to skeptoid.com]
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My dog suffered an attack of vestibular disease about the same time the birds dropped ou of the sky:
[link to www.marvistavet.com]





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