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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1216330 Brazil 01/05/2011 09:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, but you won't find it in places written by people who think they don't write crap... like this one: Thread: Me Um Red Indian ...ask um question. |
Richard Eldritch User ID: 1217979 United Kingdom 01/05/2011 09:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, but you won't find it in places written by people who think they don't write crap... like this one: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1216330Thread: Me Um Red Indian ...ask um question. That Um Good Thread. Many wise posts.... :Haw: Last Edited by Richard Eldritch on 01/05/2011 09:05 AM HUSSAR! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1216330 Brazil 01/05/2011 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You remember in Raiders of the Lost Ark we saw the man and Indiana Jones covered with spiders, right? How many Spiderman have we seen so far or Lord of the Rings 3 with that GIANT spider? I mentioned Lord of Sipan which is Peruvian Moche/Mochica civilization. They had their SPIDERMAN with 8 legs and 2 appendix like antenna but only insects do have antennas while they have only 6 legs. The way these people mummified reminds us the silk of the spiderweb wrapping the eggs. The Incas mummified their dead kneeling inside layers of weaving. Lord of Sipan had spheres of spider eggs. And of course we have to think if MUMMY film sequel will be filmed in Peru or Mexico considering the link with Egypt and China. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1216330 Brazil 01/05/2011 09:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | While the Mr. Who from Australia does have "sentiments" let the rest read more: [link to agutie.homestead.com] Does it remind you a golden face? |
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Cannabisaurus Rex User ID: 1218143 United States 01/05/2011 09:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Other than the bad acting? "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its own victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than omnipotent moral busy-bodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1216330 Brazil 01/05/2011 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I know, I understand many "posters" are too damn lazy to read (imagine if you ask them to read books!). You're welcome to withdraw. Meanwhile: [link to www.therpf.com] Based on the film and Indiana Jones comic books, the idol belonged to the Chachapoyan tribe in Peru, South America. It was sought in 1936, in the Peruvian Amazon jungle. They changed the name to “Hovitos”. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1216330 Brazil 01/05/2011 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chachapoyas is known as Machu Picchu of the north: [link to www.exploreperu.nl] It's no surprise Spielberg & Lucas connected Paititi/Akakor with Nazca spider (living in Amazon jungle with Brazilian border) with Cuzco. They insist too much, don't you think? |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 1216330 Brazil 01/05/2011 09:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to phoenicia.org] [link to michellepassos.blogspot.com] " BADEZIR OF THE PHOENICIAN TYRE. THE FIRST SON OF JETHBAAL " Jethbaal ruled Tyre from 887 to 856 BC. In 1872, on the coast of Brazil near Paraiba, Joaquim Alves da Costa found on his property a stone that bore numerous characters which no one understood. He copied them and sent them to the President of the Instituto Historico. A translation is as follows: We are Sidonian Canaanites from the city of the Merchant King. We were cast up on this distant island, a land of mountains. We sacrificed a youth to the celestial gods and goddesses in the nineteenth year of our mighty King Hiram and embarked from Ezion-geber into the Red Sea. We voyaged with ten ships and were at sea together for two years around Africa. Then we were separated by the hand of Baal and were no longer with our companions. So we have come here, twelve men and three women, into "Island of Iron". Am I, the Admiral, a man who would flee? Nay! May the celestial gods and goddesses favor us well. This eight-line inscription could well be in Phoenician characters. There are reasons to believe that the king referred to was Hiram III (553-533 BC). Brazil was known, anciently, as Hy Brasil. The incorporation of ‘I’ or ‘Hy’ is typically Phoenician. According to Cyrus Gordon, Head of the Department of Mediterranean studies at Brandeis University, Massachusetts, the Phoenicians certainly knew Brazil, which they called "Island of Iron". Hy Brasil means "Island of Iron". Iron is still the country’s main resource. Cyrus Gordon believed the king mentioned in the script can be identified as Hiram III who reigned 553-533 B.C. The inscription seems to verify an unusual statement found in the Old Testament. An ancient Biblical chronicler wrote: "And king Solomon made a navy of ships in Ezion-geber, which is beside Eloth, on the shore of the Red sea, in the land of Edom. And Hiram sent in the navy his servants, shipmen that had knowledge of the sea, with the servants of Solomon. And they came to Ophir (Piro, Peru), and fetched from thence gold, four hundred and twenty talents, and brought it to king Solomon" (I Kings 9:26-28). In the days of Solomon there was an alliance between Hiram, the king of Tyre and the Israelites under Solomon. They were not only allies, but very friendly toward one another (II Chronicles 2:2-12). Israelites and Phoenicians even worked together to build the Temple of God in Jerusalem (vs.13-18). This alliance included shipping together, although the Phoenicians were known to jealously guard the secrets of oceanic navigation from other nations. We read in II Chronicles 8, beginning verse 8: "Then went Solomon to Ezion-geber, and to Eloth, at the sea side in the land of Edom. And Huram sent him by the hands of his servants ships, and servants that had knowledge of the sea; and they went with the servants of Solomon to Ophir, and took thence four hundred and fifty talents of gold, and brought them to king Solomon" (v.17-18). In the heyday of Solomon silver was "not any thing accounted of" (11 Chron. 9:20). We read, "And the king made silver in Jerusalem as stones, and cedar trees made he as the sycomore trees that are in the low plains in abundance" (v. 27). Solomon had his own personal fleets and dominated world trade. "And king Solomon passed all the kings of the earth in riches and wisdom" (v. 22). This text mentioned Brazil in Bible versions a century ago. There is archaeological evidence, in fact, that the fleets of Solomon and Hiram of Tyre circumnavigated the globe, sailing from Ezion-geber, a port at tne terminus of the Red Sea, near modern Aqaba or Eliat! Hebrew customs, discovered by the early English settlers in the Americas, were found among some of the Indian tribes, including the wearing of phylacteries! Quipus ropes with knots worn by Incas were also used by Chinese people and do have a math code similar to Sumerian. Euphrates river is a bad translation because in the language of Babylon was URUTU meaning river of copper which is not UNLESS Babylon river was the place receiving ships of reed coming from Peru/Bolivia as Jim Allen thinks and he's not an amateur. Minoan and Phoenician coins have been found, and inscriptions of ancient Phoenician and Minoan scripts, in Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, and the Star of David was even found in an ancient ruin of the Pueblo Indians in New Mexico! In the middle of the second millennium, B.C., and down to the time of Solomon, circa 1000 B.C., oceanic travel by maritime powers in the Middle East seems to have been fairly common. In the book of Isaiah we read the enigmatic statement: "I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir" (Isa. 13:12). Where was the legendary "Ophir"? What was this "golden wedge"? The Hebrew word for "wedge" is leshonah and refers to a "tongue," an instrument of some kind. The wedge of gold was, then, a bar or instrument of gold-literally, a "tongue of gold." Indiana Jones holding an Egyptian golden disc staff with God's name? What could this "tongue" of gold have been? The gold of Ophir was not a scarce commodity since Solomon received 44 tons of it in a single year. Ophir was a place famous for its gold. Could it be that Isaiah was referring to a particular instrument of gold -- something famous in Ophir? The Inca Empire was famous for the quantity and quality of the gold it produced. The Incas of modern Peru have a tradition that their earliest king was Pirua Paccari Manco. In modern Quichua Pirua means a granary or storehouse. The first dynasty of kings, called the Pirua dynasty, included the first eighteen kings in the king list. One of the commonest titles of the early kings was Capac which means "Rich." One of the first kings was Manco Capac who founded the city of Cuzco ("Navel" in the special language of the Incas). Manco Capac is generally regarded as the progenitor of the Incas. Legends of the Incas tell us that he got rid of his three brothers and led the people of Cuzco. We read, "He took with him a golden staff. When the soil was so fertile that its whole length sank into the rich mould, there was to be the final resting place" (Markham, The Incas of Peru, p. 50, 53). Another story calls this golden staff a "sceptre of gold about a yard long and two fingers thick" (Markham, Royal Commentaries of the Yncas, p. 64). Could this have been the "golden wedge" or "tongue" of Ophir? John Crow relates another tradition of the ancient Incas. It is the story of "the Golden Wedge, according to which the Sun, wearied of the crude, barbaric ways of the uncivilized Indians, sent two of his children, a son and a daughter, to lift them from their primitive life. Placed on the earth near the banks of Lake Titicaca, these two children of the Sun were given a golden wedge which they were to carry with them wherever they wandered; and on the spot where this wedge sank without effort into the ground and disappered they were told to found their mother city. When the divine pair reached the vicinity of Cuzco, their talisman slid into the earth and vanished from sight" (The Epic of Latin America, p. 25). Was this mysterious talisman -- this "golden wedge" -- the same thing mentioned by the prophet Isaiah -- the "golden wedge of Ophir"? There is a close resemblance between the Pirua dynasty and the Hebrew word Ophir. In Hebrew, Ophir ("ph" can be pronounced either as an "f" or a "p") was the name of a place rich in gold (I Kings 9:28); sometimes the term Ophir was used for gold (Job 22:24). Ancient Peru would certainly fit the Biblical description of Ophir. It was famous for its gold. In the Temple of the Sun in Cuzco was a fantastic display of wealth. The four inside walls were covered with paper-thin sheets of gold. A giant golden figure of the Sun hung suspended over the main altar. A huge silver room was dedicated to the Moon. Surrounding the Temple of the Sun and several chapels was a huge stone wall, covered with a cornice or crest of gold a yard wide. Inside the Temple were decorations of gold and silver flowers, plants and animals. The Spaniards sacked the Temple and seized all the gold and silver ornaments. From 1492 to 1600 about 2 billion pesos' worth of gold and silver flowed out of Spain's New World colonies -- at least three times the entire European supply of these precious metals up to that time. The total production of gold and silver in the Spanish colonies between 1492 and 1800 has been estimated at 6 billion dollars. Historian Fernando Montesinos visited Peru from 1629-1642, a century after the conquest by the Spaniards. He travelled fifteen years through the country collecting material for a history of Peru. Montesinos wrote Ophir de Espana, Memorias Historiales y Politicas del Peru. He believed Peru was the Ophir of Solomon. He contended that Peru was first settled by Ophir, the grandson of Noah (Gen. 10:29). Montesinos has been ridiculed and derided by historians. But since the early settlers of Peru were white-skinned and red bearded; since there was abundant gold in the region; since the name of the Pirua dynasty may correspond to the Hebrew Ophir; since the voyages of Solomon's fleet took about three years to complete; and since the "golden wedge" of Ophir could very well correspond to the "golden wedge" of Manco Capac; and since there is so much overwhelming evidence of cultural contacts betweens the ancient Peruvians and the Israelites, with close affinities in cosmology; and since there is definite evidence of the presence of ancient Semitic peoples in Peru, Equador, and the Western Hemisphere -- it seems very likely that Montesinos was right! Indeed, there is strong reason to believe that Peru was the ancient Ophir of the Bible! What do Indiana Jones suggest to his students in number 4 saga? To study WHAT? The Ugha Mongulala tribe of north-west Brazil preserve written records of an ancient city called Ofir (Ophir) which once stood at the mouth of the Amazon River. |
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Juniper from Jupiter User ID: 1214567 United States 01/05/2011 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | +1 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1216330Of course not. You came as 90% of the "readers" and "posters" to have fun jum-ping paragraphs and have fun. I understand. Next one! I haven't read it all either, BUT I intend to... I just watched one of the movies recently and I thought, 'There is more truth to this than most people realize!' |