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Dead birds, fish around world spark flood of wild conspiracy theories from End of Days to HAARP

 
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It's amazing how primitive we still are as a species. When something anomalous happens, so many immediately jump to primitive and superstitious answers without even thinking.

Give science a chance to examine the data. Might take a few months (oh, no - not a few months!), but perhaps they'll come up with reasonable, realistic answers, or even say they don't know...which, of course, will all be some kind of CONSPIRACY! Not.

Or, we could just sacrifice some virgins to a volcano. Geez.


Here's to you. Some sanity! Remarkable how if anyone spends any time at a board like this, you will see 99.9999% of all conjecture soundly disproved. And yet with renewed emotion and gusto, the same mentality prevails... Jump to baseless conclusions and attack those who call for discretion. It's really just tribal superstition reinforced by other primitives.


I think we are on to sometthing here. The Tribal Superstitions of Conspiracy Sites.

That's funny, but kind of sad...

I know we've only been on the planet a few seconds, relatively speaking, but you'd think we would have learned SOMETHING the past couple hundred years.
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If people were more able to differentiate between wanting to believe and wanting to fully understand, there would be less "mud hut mentality." You are right. It's nothing new. Look at how long-established religions have thrived by countless wanting to believe in something greater than ourselves.

Still, there is something to be said for our fascination with the supernatural. The key is being able to discern the difference - something that is increasingly difficult in a world of white noise generated by bigoted, self-centered individuals professing absolute truth.

Blind acceptance, as opposed to critical thinking, has been taught by leaders, spiritual and secular alike, for centuries. Gee, I wonder why?
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Actually when you look around Canada's north you can see how much of our forests have been turned into checker boards.

ARound my lake when you go to an area that has been forested, even with people planting trees and the such, the land is very unlike how it WAS before the forestry people came in. Basically these areas, when you visit them, look like, at their worst, small warzones. The way the ecology of the area has been torn to shreds doesn't seem to offer a great climate in which the regrowth of said ecology returns.

Areas where the ground has been torn up from massive roots transform into little canyons, as rain washes the topsoil and mud away to another area, which then becomes compacted down from the runaway much. This then dries into small areas of clay desert, and then wind pushes a choking dust in every direction, further burrying the good ecology.

As the little story above translates over into thousands of similar incidences, it all adds up to you panning your gaze over the area and just seeing obliteration. The trees that tree planters plant have their work cut out for them in the new conditions.
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I have seen it happen all to often in my life and it always upsets me.
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Okay.... So like NO ONE yet has done detailed autopsies on these dead birds everywhere, and speculation is being allowed to run rampant?

Seriously!

Were they microwave cooked slightly from HARRP? Their blood vessels would look weird if so..

Are there clouds of poisionous gas? There would be metabolites!

Hail stones? Bruised meat!

Whats happening!? AAAAA!! For reals!
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maybe...

...we have survived this many times before and were born again...

...where do you think science fiction is coming from ? Fantasy ?
It's stored in your Subconscious "mind", it's a memory...

...but that system becomes to an end, there are cycles within cycles... the previous "extinctions" were smaller cycles but now the big cycle has almost reached completion...

this is special, this is new, even for your relatives who 'has left' already in the past.

maybe...


(it's fun to speculate under influence)
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what is your take nikki?

i am still thinking about all this and wondering ..


The Fish Kill in the Chesapeake Bay I understand I lived there.

Right now I'm guessing but my money is on temperature inversion in most cases.



chesapeake is lovely --driving over the bay


i wonder how the gulf disaster/corexit affects all this..
gulf stream

and the natural cycles of the earths' evolution

i am not a science buff

i do remember when a kid the talk/fear of the coming ice age then all the BS about global warming indoctrinating a new generation
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I drive over the VA part all the time. Where do you live. I live in VA Beach. Yeah that one was close to home
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Okay.... So like NO ONE yet has done detailed autopsies on these dead birds everywhere, and speculation is being allowed to run rampant?

Seriously!

Were they microwave cooked slightly from HARRP? Their blood vessels would look weird if so..

Are there clouds of poisionous gas? There would be metabolites!

Hail stones? Bruised meat!

Whats happening!? AAAAA!! For reals!
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NANOPATHOGENS!
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It's amazing how primitive we still are as a species. When something anomalous happens, so many immediately jump to primitive and superstitious answers without even thinking.

Give science a chance to examine the data. Might take a few months (oh, no - not a few months!), but perhaps they'll come up with reasonable, realistic answers, or even say they don't know...which, of course, will all be some kind of CONSPIRACY! Not.

Or, we could just sacrifice some virgins to a volcano. Geez.


Here's to you. Some sanity! Remarkable how if anyone spends any time at a board like this, you will see 99.9999% of all conjecture soundly disproved. And yet with renewed emotion and gusto, the same mentality prevails... Jump to baseless conclusions and attack those who call for discretion. It's really just tribal superstition reinforced by other primitives.


I think we are on to sometthing here. The Tribal Superstitions of Conspiracy Sites.


Hmmm...

very interesting... spock

So then the various thought leaders of the Conspiracy Sites could be thought of as "cyber-shaman"

BTW what is the plural of "shaman"...

Shamans, shameni, shami, shamenses, sha-manah-manah??


Shamen would be my guess.

We could make an interesting thread out of the concept.
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Shamu ? Wait taken
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"Give science a chance to examine the data. Might take a few months (oh, no - not a few months!), but perhaps they'll come up with reasonable, realistic answers, or even say they don't know...which, of course, will all be some kind of CONSPIRACY! Not."

When they finally come out and declare this to be some sort of pathogen or nanopathogen what will they require us to do? Will we need to be innoculated with a 'new' vaccine, or a 'nano' vaccine? Wait, yes, its coming!
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"Give science a chance to examine the data. Might take a few months (oh, no - not a few months!), but perhaps they'll come up with reasonable, realistic answers, or even say they don't know...which, of course, will all be some kind of CONSPIRACY! Not."

When they finally come out and declare this to be some sort of pathogen or nanopathogen what will they require us to do? Will we need to be innoculated with a 'new' vaccine, or a 'nano' vaccine? Wait, yes, its coming!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1214127

They need a couple of months to develop a well crafted cover story. These flocks of birds suddenly dropping dead in mid-flight is bizarre and the cause is probably as bizarre. If the cause is likely to upset the average Joe it will not be released to the public...the cover story will be propagated instead.
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Where'd all my birds go? (Central, far East CT)

I've been filling bird feeders out back for +20 years faithfully and developed quite the clientel of finches, blackbirds, grackles, house sparrows, etc.

My bird feeder is still full 3 days now. NEVER has happened for over 20 years all year-round. I'm absolutely honest about this, please believe me.

What's the story?
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Because there has not been found poison or any sort of external trauma to these creatures that has been disclosed to explain their demise I am suggesting a theory that may or may not be responsible. I have some knowledge in the feild of brain wave study and I feel and believe we are connected to mother earth through our electomagnetic feilds. I believe everything in the known universe shares this energetic interconnectedness, We are one and

All matter is spirit but not all spirit is matter.
There are subtle energies that affect us and all animals such has been evidenced by the FULL MOON effect. I am sure as beings we are interconnected to the sun much in the same way, the moon pulls on us and the sun pushes us.
If we are coupled in this way as I suggest electromagnetically then read this and see if its plauseable to you that these creatures expierienced some sort of seizure and expired.


[link to en.wikipedia....tic_stimulation]

This is the idea I am proposing, something like the effects of this stimulation is in essence scrambling the brain waves of these creatures, kinda like shock therapy but magnetically induced.
There is somthing here that also makes me lean towards this belief,

[link to en.wikipedia....wiki]
Clearly it states that the altered states of conciousness can be somewhat "SPIRITUAL".
God did say he would pour out his spirit in those last days, and if God is everywhere and everything, surely he is the sun and moon and stars too.

Behold, I shew you a mystery

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Its like The Happening... Its Happening!!
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A force we cannot sense, generated by events no one completely understands, creates field lines that pass through our bodies without any evident effect on us or on them. It is an energy felt as much by migrating lobsters on the sea floor as by ocean-crossing birds thousands of meters overhead, transduced in generally poorly understood ways…But for many animals, the reliance is far older and more basic: their life-or-death ability to find their way around in the world depends on correctly interpreting the earth's magnetic field.


[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]


Dead animals everywhere, compasses going crazy, Haarp records missing…Maybe natural maybe not. Sure, they are just studying the Aurora…sure they are.

Maybe we are playing with fire when we shouldn’t be.

This invention has a phenomenal variety of possible ramifications and potential future developments. As alluded to earlier, missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude so that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces with resultant destruction or deflection of same. Weather modification is possible by, for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric particles which will act as a lens or focusing device. Also as alluded to earlier, molecular modifications of the atmosphere can take place so that positive environmental effects can be achieved. Besides actually changing the molecular composition of an atmospheric region, a particular molecule or molecules can be chosen for increased presence. For example, ozone, nitrogen, etc. concentrations in the atmosphere could be artificially increased. Similarly, environmental enhancement could be achieved by causing the breakup of various chemical entities such as carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide, nitrous oxides, and the like. Transportation of entities can also be realized when advantage is taken of the drag effects caused by regions of the atmosphere moving up along diverging field lines. Small micron sized particles can be then transported, and, under certain circumstances and with the availability of sufficient energy, larger particles or objects could be similarly affected. Particles with desired characteristics such as tackiness, reflectivity, absorptivity, etc., can be transported for specific purposes or effects. For example, a plume of tacky particles could be established to increase the drag on a missile or satellite passing therethrough. Even plumes of plasma having substantially less charged particle density than described above will produce drag effects on missiles which will affect a lightweight (dummy) missile in a manner substantially different than a heavy (live) missile and this affect can be used to distinguish between the two types of missiles. A moving plume could also serve as a means for supplying a space station or for focusing vast amount of sunlight on selected portions of the earth. Surveys of global scope could also be realized because the earth's natural magnetic field could be significantly altered in a controlled manner by plasma beta effects resulting in, for example, improved magnetotelluric surveys. Electromagnetic pulse defenses are also possible. The earth's magnetic field could be decreased or disrupted at appropriate altitudes to modify or eliminate the magnetic field in high Compton electron generation (e.g., from high altitude nuclear bursts) regions. High intensity, well controlled electrical fields can be provided in selected locations for various purposes. For example, the plasma sheath surrounding a missile or satellite could be used as a trigger for activating such a high intensity field to destroy the missile or satellite. Further, irregularities can be created in the ionosphere which will interfere with the normal operation of various types of radar, e.g., synthetic aperture radar. The present invention can also be used to create artificial belts of trapped particles, which in turn can be studied to determine the stability of such parties. Still further, plumes in accordance with the present invention can be formed to simulate and/or perform the same functions as performed by the detonation of a "heave" type nuclear device without actually having to detonate such a device. Thus it can be seen that the ramifications are numerous, far-reaching, and exceedingly varied in usefulness.”


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Okay.... So like NO ONE yet has done detailed autopsies on these dead birds everywhere, and speculation is being allowed to run rampant?

Seriously!

Were they microwave cooked slightly from HARRP? Their blood vessels would look weird if so..

Are there clouds of poisionous gas? There would be metabolites!

Hail stones? Bruised meat!

Whats happening!? AAAAA!! For reals!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1099882


There have been autopsies...

[link to www.time.com]

"internal trauma and hemmoraging"



[link to www.earthfrenzyradio.com]

"blunt trauma to organs, stomachs empty, died in midair"



These were the best links from the first ten Google hits...
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I've been following this for awhile and been here at GLP for a few years. Here is my take on the situation -

My latest published article. Feel free to leave comments. I think we need to keep following these die-off events.

[link to hubpages.com]
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Here is a snippet from my article- and btw I mentioned and link GLP in it too. I linked the post with the updated animal die-off list. I hope the OP on that thread is faithful to keep up the list because someone needs to keep record. We can't expect the MSM to do it for us.

[link to hubpages.com]

The Bird and Fish Die-off: The End of the World?
The unusual die-off in the last week of birds and fish around the world has got the Internet cyberspace buzzing with an ominous question: Is it the end of the world?

Conspiracy theorists have long believed that a possible Armageddon type scenario is right around the corner. With the unexplained animal die-offs in the past week though we kind of have to wonder - are they on to something here? Why are the animals dying? Thousands of birds falling out of the sky in Kentucky is NOT normal. Any sane person knows this, and I for one don't buy the theory that they died on New Years eve because of "fireworks". Not only did thousands of birds drop out of the sky in Arkansas on Dec.31 but there has been a huge uptick in unexplained animal deaths in the past week (See map below as of Jan. 6, 2011)
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Emerald Eye,

Thanks for the links...

Now I have some cool reading for the weekend :-)

This type of magnetic sensitivity to naturally existing currents was exactly what I was thinking might be the culprit in these mass animal deaths.

The pubmed article about magnetoreception (wow, I did not even know that was a real word) and the abstract for the Eastlund patent are going to provide my tiny little pea-sized brain with a lot of entertainment for while.

Thanks again for the great find!!

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So here is a theory that I was dreaming about last night.

First I don't have time to go through the thousands of posts so excuse me know if I am repeating.

With the few video interviews I have seen the majority of people claim the birds collectively gathered a day before they were zapped? So my theory is a magnetic shift only affecting certain DNA species. Along with the Magnetic (draw) Shift a Solar the flare hits the atmosphere. Zap!!

Now I know Nasa, hubble, google earth won't show us what is really happening out beyond the cattle atmosphere but someone here posted a video of the sun looking like a wild red haired woman.

Another, there is absolutely No truth to global warming but there is truth that all planets in our solar system are heating up internally!! We need to get rid of Carbon!!

So another theory is that there is a universe moving into our universe. It's a mass pushing towards our system and it can't be stopped. In other words hold on tight because if we don't link to the intelligent planet coming our way we will be lost. I will find a great crop circle that demonstrates the linkage of planets that were picked up on the way to ours 100,000 years ago.

Move over darling, there's a new Universe coming in.
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Just thinking.. Maybe this has something to do with all the strange deaths of wildlife lately? The gammarays from a huge galactic explosion hit Earth in 2005. The particle radiation from such an event would travel abit slower than the light, but not very much."

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

The deaths are spreading up through the food chain, from insects to mammals, because the particle radiation is increasing and the same number of particles do more extensive damage to smaller bodies than bigger (affects a greater precentage of vital tissue).

I guess someone will have to take this theory into consideration if flocks of chimps start to die off en masse...


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HAARP will kill everyone and everything on this earth if these madmen are not stopped!!

HAARP will cause so much destruction, pain, suffering and devastation in the future that neither nature nor any living thing will ever be able to return to a normal state of equilibrium!! The long-term effects will negatively influence everything on Earth, and recovery will all but be impossible!!

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Thank you for this, Nikki!
hf
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People are looking for a connection of unconnected events.
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Self fulfilling prophecy,
we are all going to die
because we keep saying
we are all going to die.

It will manifest itself from the subconscious of millions.

If millions of people thought about peace and love,
the earth would be a little more peaceful,
and a little more loving
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Come on, the theories about "end of day" (2012 et al) has been around for awhile now, what we're seeing right now and in real_time is the actual confirmation that it is indeed taking place...
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They need a couple of months to develop a well crafted cover story. These flocks of birds suddenly dropping dead in mid-flight is bizarre and the cause is probably as bizarre. If the cause is likely to upset the average Joe it will not be released to the public...the cover story will be propagated instead.
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Well good luck with that because the global Earth and climate changes will only continue to escalate from now on...

Soon this web site will be talking about the next few big events...as the next shoe drops...

..and the "average Joe" will also start to wake-up...

stay tuned...
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Come on, the theories about "end of day" (2012 et al) has been around for awhile now, what we're seeing right now and in real_time is the actual confirmation that it is indeed taking place...
 Quoting: wirelessguru1


Have bird and fish kills like this ever happen before? Yes in fact far greater kill offs have happened. Have these other kill offs herald the end of days ... no.

This is Mud Hut Mentality.
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Thank you for this, Nikki!
hf
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All matter is spirit but not all spirit is matter.
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I think you mean that all matter is "energy" but not all "energy" is matter. :)
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All matter is spirit but not all spirit is matter.

I think you mean that all matter is "energy" but not all "energy" is matter. :)
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Well, what does it matter??





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