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MountainTux-NLI User ID: 873257 Canada 01/10/2011 03:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Both, frankly... unfortunately, those of high intelligence, and a bent for control, recognize it's potential, while those that live and die by the parable, which they take as reality, don't realize that it IS parable. The Bible is, IMHO, along the lines of a Miss Manners book of etiquette, but has been inflated so far out of context that it will never be realized for it's true purpose, OR worth. Sad. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1186745 United States 01/10/2011 03:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what do you think? Quoting: ^Nemesis^Is it the word of God or is it a tool to control the masses? The Bible is the very Word of God and is about Freedom, Truth, and Love However, it is true that evil institutions have used the bible and the name of God to deceive and control people for 2000 years. The Roman Catholic Church is the prime example of evil done in disguise of Christianity, and control held over people in defiance of the Bible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1224345 Canada 01/10/2011 03:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've come to the conclusion that it's either the "somewhat in a way sorta" Word of God or it's a CURSE also used as a tool to control the masses. I did a word calculation on the Bible and went through and picked out words and divided them up as neutral, positive, and negative. In other words, divided them by what emotions they would likely evoke when seen rather in context or out (some words like death always evoke a negative effect even when the context is something on the order of "you shall not die"). I concluded that when you randomly open the Bible you have a 70% chance of seeing a negative word rather than a positive one (excluding neutral words from the equation). That means, when you open the Bible the probability is that you will evoke an emotion of condemnation or negativity over twice as often as you will evoke an emotion that is uplifting or brings peace. I also concluded that certain words appear most often and they are all strongly emotional words (with the exception of "the" and other such words). I further found that if the Bible were about God and the path to Him that one would expect Him to be the proper noun most often occurring, but that is not so. The Bible is actually about "Lord," or "one who has power and authority over others." I also understand much about mysticism and magick these days, and I can rightly say that I am highly suspicious that the Bible is not only a tool of control, but also a magickal curse. Frankly, the NT comes right out and tells you that you will be persecuted and hated and as such, if you believe the Bible is the true right and perfect Word and Will of God, you are cursing yourself by believing it. There are other things that make me suspicious as well. I'll leave "who might benefit" from this up to interpretation... |
^Nemesis^ (OP) User ID: 905625 United States 01/10/2011 04:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what do you think? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1186745Is it the word of God or is it a tool to control the masses? The Bible is the very Word of God and is about Freedom, Truth, and Love However, it is true that evil institutions have used the bible and the name of God to deceive and control people for 2000 years. The Roman Catholic Church is the prime example of evil done in disguise of Christianity, and control held over people in defiance of the Bible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1214438 Australia 01/10/2011 04:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would be more interested in all the words the church edited out of the bible, What was the real message god was trying to tell us, before the church concealed, burnt and destroyed his word. If in fact it is his word, why try and hide or destroy the message! |
Light Guard User ID: 1224427 New Zealand 01/10/2011 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Bible is a clever MIX of truth and manipilative stories to control the masses. That is how propaganda always worked. Ask any religious sheep how they can be HAPPY in Heaven of one of their loved ones would be in hell. You'll be amazed at the ridiculous answers you'll get. Nowhere in the Bible is explained what LOVE really is, then you'll see why... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 15052216 United States 04/20/2016 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what do you think? Quoting: ^Nemesis^ Is it the word of God or is it a tool to control the masses? Thread: Prayer is Quantum Physics at Work mark 11:22-24 Check this stuff out St my channel do the study guide and come back when your done... Try me. 8 O taste and see that the Lord is good: blessed is the man that trusteth in him. And Jeremiah 15:16 |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 47355996 United Kingdom 03/20/2017 06:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would be more interested in all the words the church edited out of the bible, What was the real message god was trying to tell us, before the church concealed, burnt and destroyed his word. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1214438 If in fact it is his word, why try and hide or destroy the message! He gave us the whole bible. It's only you that reject its message and therefore conclude that it must not tell us the real message. |
Habit User ID: 73533395 United States 03/20/2017 07:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Both, frankly... unfortunately, those of high intelligence, and a bent for control, recognize it's potential, while those that live and die by the parable, which they take as reality, don't realize that it IS parable. The Bible is, IMHO, along the lines of a Miss Manners book of etiquette, but has been inflated so far out of context that it will never be realized for it's true purpose, OR worth. Quoting: MountainTux-NLI 873257 Sad. Truth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 15483972 Philippines 03/20/2017 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what do you think? Quoting: ^Nemesis^ Is it the word of God or is it a tool to control the masses? Those who use it for control do not use IT. They twist it, add to it and make up their own shit. But they do not use the Bible itself. The weak and desperate are not capable of understanding the Bible and that is why they fall victim to those who use RELIGION for control purposes. Perfect example is how that fat scumbag pastors twist Scripture to guilt trip their members into tithing. To the contrary, I use the Bible to prove that they are unbiblical charlatans. But those who are trapped in such cults (and most churches are cults) cannot be convinced with facts. They must be deprogrammed. No one got time for that. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47355996 United Kingdom 03/20/2017 07:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So what do you think? Quoting: ^Nemesis^ Is it the word of God or is it a tool to control the masses? If men who desire to rule as 'God' twist and distort scripture, producing a false understanding in the people's minds'...who are those people really serving? Why did Jesus call Peter, satan? Because he had the things of men on his mind...peter's understanding had come from men, right? All the apostles could not understand Jesus, and we see their growth as heavenly understanding is given to them. Media today is episode after episode of biblical tales rewritten and disguised for the masses to consume. They are then eating this false understanding on a massive scale not realising what 'entertainment' is - the largest pulpit in the world. How many times do you see on this board alone some non christian telling everybody "what the bible says"? Who is giving this understanding to them? And most importantly, we can see the consequences of them believing it, they are happy to believe it and never once ask God to explain it to them instead. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72308962 Belgium 03/20/2017 07:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tools. A tool that mostly works on idiots, that's why all governments have every interest in keeping its own population stupid unless it's in areas that they too can benefit from. That's not to say that if you happen to be a religious person in the privacy of your own home that you are automatically stupid, I don't believe that, nor will I ever. People like to forget that the bible is nothing more but a collection of text over which people talked about in the vatican, which texts should and should not be in it and why and for what purpose. And while it may have served a purpose at some time, doesn't mean it still applies and people that blindly follow the bible without knowing that, yes in my opinion they are the very definition of idiots. If you follow the bible to the letter without knowing the context of the text you are quoting, you are by definition an idiot. Are you desperate for believing in the bible? No. There's wisdom and good advice in there. But the only reason that it ever became accepted in the Roman world (which at the time it was: Roman: The world) is not because of the merits of christianity but because of the insanity of certain Roman leaders that made it easier for certain ideologies to flourish because they were not better than the policies of those roman leaders but because they were less bad. Which is an important nuance. |
Accidental Stoner User ID: 67966692 Finland 03/20/2017 07:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm inclined to believe that there was a gear shift in the so called evolution of consciousness. "Monotheism" came out the manifested idea. A shift towards individualization. Why I would discard my own people's heritage in favour of those faraway foreign peoples' version? The Ancestors weren't daft or anything. The Kalevala holds wisdom. The old Nordic tales, too. And so does the folk soul. The center of the Universe is with every conscious being. Creation is an ever ongoing thing. To me, it seems overwhelmingly clear, that every single deity ever worshiped by men is just as real/unreal as any other. So yes, I would say the bible, the koran etc all look way more like political tools of mass mind control than anything to do with "spiritual growth" (although I do like and approve of some beautiful parts about the true nature of love, for instance). Constantin and the bishops were smart. Catch and resonate with already naturally occurring patterns. What better way to lay the foundation for invisible slavery, than convincing the masses that only the priests and their mighty church could explain a person's quite natural existence to them? Brilliant, simple and an über-obvious first move for anyone involved in serious power over others with long term vision. Politics For Geo-Stationary Society 1.01, not magic or supernatural at all. Sampo, on the other hand, churns out happiness and prosperity to anybody possessing it. But it won't work out unless your heart is pure. ;) Oh well, peace & prosperity to 1 and all and whatever floats your boat. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72393347 United States 03/20/2017 07:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is the true operating system for the human organism. If ingested daily, it rewrites the DNA, changing a person into what he was born to be, which is a child of the Light, particularly if the reader acts in accordance with it. Control can be exerted a couple of ways on this plane. One method is through fear, with which all are fully acquainted and which is the primary motivator for the lost. The second method is through conscience which is the primary motivator of those in the middle of the path. The third and most excellent way is love. Fear says 'I can't because of the consequences". Conscience says, "I can't because it is wrong". Love says "I won't less I offend the One I love or set a bad example for any who might be seeking Him". The world views its adherents as weak or desperate because the worldly have been groomed from birth to think worldliness as normal and something to be desired, but it is the way of death. The fact is, we reap what we sow, and that includes the most seemingly insignificant things. It is cumulative and the evil that befalls every man is largely the sum total of it. Change the world by changing you. The world is bereft of good examples. You can complain about it or be part of the solution. When you are judged you will answer the question, "what did you do for the kingdom of heaven's sake?" May you not be dumbfounded. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72308962 Belgium 03/20/2017 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm inclined to believe that there was a gear shift Quoting: Accidental Stoner 67966692 in the so called evolution of consciousness. "Monotheism" came out the manifested idea. A shift towards individualization. Why I would discard my own people's heritage in favour of those faraway foreign peoples' version? The Ancestors weren't daft or anything. The Kalevala holds wisdom. The old Nordic tales, too. And so does the folk soul. The center of the Universe is with every conscious being. Creation is an ever ongoing thing. To me, it seems overwhelmingly clear, that every single deity ever worshiped by men is just as real/unreal as any other. So yes, I would say the bible, the koran etc all look way more like political tools of mass mind control than anything to do with "spiritual growth" (although I do like and approve of some beautiful parts about the true nature of love, for instance). Constantin and the bishops were smart. Catch and resonate with already naturally occurring patterns. What better way to lay the foundation for invisible slavery, than convincing the masses that only the priests and their mighty church could explain a person's quite natural existence to them? Brilliant, simple and an über-obvious first move for anyone involved in serious power over others with long term vision. Politics For Geo-Stationary Society 1.01, not magic or supernatural at all. Sampo, on the other hand, churns out happiness and prosperity to anybody possessing it. But it won't work out unless your heart is pure. ;) Oh well, peace & prosperity to 1 and all and whatever floats your boat. marriage proposal imminent unless you are female because then it would just be stupid, because there would be no sincere point in it because we would not be able to procreate |
Accidental Stoner User ID: 67966692 Finland 03/20/2017 07:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is the true operating system for the human organism. If ingested daily, it rewrites the DNA, changing a person into what he was born to be, which is a child of the Light, particularly if the reader acts in accordance with it. Control can be exerted a couple of ways on this plane. One method is through fear, with which all are fully acquainted and which is the primary motivator for the lost. The second method is through conscience which is the primary motivator of those in the middle of the path. The third and most excellent way is love. Fear says 'I can't because of the consequences". Conscience says, "I can't because it is wrong". Love says "I won't less I offend the One I love or set a bad example for any who might be seeking Him". Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72393347 The world views its adherents as weak or desperate because the worldly have been groomed from birth to think worldliness as normal and something to be desired, but it is the way of death. The fact is, we reap what we sow, and that includes the most seemingly insignificant things. It is cumulative and the evil that befalls every man is largely the sum total of it. Change the world by changing you. The world is bereft of good examples. You can complain about it or be part of the solution. When you are judged you will answer the question, "what did you do for the kingdom of heaven's sake?" May you not be dumbfounded. Hahahaha, no. Sitting around rambling the names in long genealogies of distant desert goat shepherd (peace & prosperity to them) people just makes no sense over here in the snow. Absurd! On the contrary, it seems to be an agent of Darkness, wanting to rob me of my roots and my respect for the soil supposed to feed me. Good thing the forefathers weren't dumb enough to write anything down. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72308962 Belgium 03/20/2017 07:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | marriage proposal imminent Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72308962 unless you are female because then it would just be stupid, because there would be no sincere point in it because we would not be able to procreate Done my part, paid my dues, had 3 lovely kids. well fuck you then |
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