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Native-Alien User ID: 1229887 ![]() 01/14/2011 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've noticed a LOT of prices have increased since New Years, mainly food items. For example, I shop at a local Kroger, and two weeks ago I was paying about $2.99 for a tub of thinly sliced lunch meats. I bought the same stuff a few days ago, and now it's $4.49. That's a HUGE increase virtually overnight. Almost all produce such as grapes, most peppers, strawberries and others are twice what they cost just weeks ago. Hell, just ONE green, yellow, or red bell pepper is now $2.49 EACH! WTF is this shit? |
J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 01/14/2011 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Inflation. OPEC. QE2. So many reasons why it's happening. At Aldi, I was paying $1.09 in December for a dozen of eggs. Fast forward to January... $1.55 per dozen. So we're contending with a steady and so far consistent increase in gas, plus the exponential increase in food and yet, those who get a check (whether employed or unemployed) still are making the same money per month. Our disposable income is getting smaller and ridiculously quick. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
Stu User ID: 1134640 ![]() 01/14/2011 03:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | look at the WTI benchmark price (U.S. price) at 92 its way below ALL the world benchmarks Tapis is at 104+ and Brent is at 98+ this is due to US demand dropping but world demand increasing 2010 saw world demand increase by 2.5 million bbls a day so WTI will have to catch up to rest as it was working off the stored oil in floating tankers and is now dried up guaranteed price increases ahead and this is only Jan...typically a tepid time of year for demand I see 3.50-4.00 a gal easy this summer _____________________________________ Even the structure of the atom has been found by the mind. Therefore the mind is subtler than the atom. That which is behind the mind, namely the individual soul, is subtler than the mind. -Ramana |
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J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 01/14/2011 04:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | guaranteed price increases ahead and this is only Jan...typically a tepid time of year for demand Quoting: StuI see 3.50-4.00 a gal easy this summer This is what scares me. January IS a tepid time of the year for demand but nothing I am seeing is indicating that the trend is to go downwards, instead upwards and steadily. $3.50 is a definite for most states in the U.S. from what I can see... and as soon as May, barring any oil-centric events that could spike the demand that much further up while affecting supply negatively. I'd say for certain, I see $3.50 at the LEAST for June, possibly as soon as May. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
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Stu User ID: 1134640 ![]() 01/14/2011 04:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | guaranteed price increases ahead and this is only Jan...typically a tepid time of year for demand Quoting: J-RicoI see 3.50-4.00 a gal easy this summer This is what scares me. January IS a tepid time of the year for demand but nothing I am seeing is indicating that the trend is to go downwards, instead upwards and steadily. $3.50 is a definite for most states in the U.S. from what I can see... and as soon as May, barring any oil-centric events that could spike the demand that much further up while affecting supply negatively. I'd say for certain, I see $3.50 at the LEAST for June, possibly as soon as May. dont believe the media...its not speculation this time (though a depreciating dollar is part of the problem) Ive been studying peak cheap oil for years and we are seeing production declines of 5-7 % a year in CONVENTIONAL oil...the world will never again exceed the 73+ milllion barrels/day rate seen in 2005 in its place, substitutions as ethanol, biofuels, shale oil, oil sands, ultra-deep water drilling are trying to make up difference but it wont be enough in return for the lost productivity of cheap oil...the world is manufacturing cheap credit instead of real growth produced from the easy leverage of cheap oil this will end in tears also the Saudis are lying about their reserves Also think about this one thing : There is absolutely no difference between no gas available at the fuel pump and UNAFFORDABLE gas at the fuel pump Last Edited by Stu on 01/14/2011 04:13 PM _____________________________________ Even the structure of the atom has been found by the mind. Therefore the mind is subtler than the atom. That which is behind the mind, namely the individual soul, is subtler than the mind. -Ramana |
J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 01/14/2011 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also think about this one thing : Quoting: StuThere is absolutely no difference between no gas available at the fuel pump and UNAFFORDABLE gas at the fuel pump Your whole post is definitely food for though, specially that last part. Things that definitely need to be absorbed and internalized. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
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SaltWaterTaffy User ID: 1066095 ![]() 01/14/2011 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | $4 for eggs Quoting: Anonymous Coward 911383$5 for butter ![]() :SWT name: When the shit hits the fan and the end is quite nigh, will you cry out to heaven? Will you lay down and die? Not me, my dear ones. This is my sacred life. To no one or no thing I'll surrender. For how does one know where when dead he will go, or if sweet mother Earth she'll remember? |
Parafukeet User ID: 708556 ![]() 01/14/2011 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bikes are dangerous to ride most areas. Not safe enough to avoid costs. Last Edited by Parafukeet on 01/14/2011 04:38 PM Nothing could be more relaxing than giant rodents soaking in a hot tub NOTHING |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1115596 ![]() 01/14/2011 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have been artificially holding down the price of oil for a while now. Unfortunately for us in the US, back in Oct. or Nov. in a collective F. U. to the USA, OPEC named Iran president. I said when it happened that after all the poking and poking at Iran was about to come back and bite us in the ass. OPEC now says "the world can afford $100 per barrel oil". Iran has no reason to "reign things in" and will let the price escalate. I'm going to go with LW's prediction of $4-5/gal gas in the US by summer. It should be enough to push what is left of the economy over the edge. I know that every 50 cent increase in gas prices pushes what I pay for gas per month up about $60-70 total. A rise of $1-2 per gallon will be enough to push a lot of people just barely hanging on right over the edge. It's not just the cost of the gas, but everything else goes up too as delivery costs rise. |
Stu User ID: 1134640 ![]() 01/14/2011 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | every one cent rise in the price of gasoline takes away $ 600 million dollars in discretionary spending by consumers _____________________________________ Even the structure of the atom has been found by the mind. Therefore the mind is subtler than the atom. That which is behind the mind, namely the individual soul, is subtler than the mind. -Ramana |
J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 01/14/2011 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It should be enough to push what is left of the economy over the edge. I know that every 50 cent increase in gas prices pushes what I pay for gas per month up about $60-70 total. A rise of $1-2 per gallon will be enough to push a lot of people just barely hanging on right over the edge. It's not just the cost of the gas, but everything else goes up too as delivery costs rise. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1115596Good point, I need to calculate my monthly increase as well. It's not going down either, so might as well say "Goodbye" to the extra income if you are living paycheck to paycheck. The time for living beneath your means is definitely here, and been here for a while, and with all the info Stu has provided in addition as well... well, it's damn near frightening. If as guzzling vehicles suffered in sales back in 2008, I wonder what'll happen this time around. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 01/14/2011 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wish I were wrong and it'd go downward, but it's not going to happen. And upon reading another thread, I found this gem by Dr. House... definitely a MUST read for many since it's an accurate depiction of what we might be looking at circa last quarter of 2012 and beyond, when gas will most likely be at around $5... so 2013 is looking well... bleak): It is estimated that at or around $6.00 a gallon the structure of American Civilization collapses. Quoting: Dr. HouseThis assumes that the paycheck does not keep pace with the increase in fuel prices. The USA relies heavily on its highway system and on mass transportation of goods via ship and truck. At one time we had a massive cargo train system, however through the decades it has slowly been dismantled. Forget passenger trains in the USA, they nearly do not exist at all. Nearly 90% of US citizens now live in urban and suburban settings. Suburban areas are designed with the private car in mind. Usually 1-5 miles to your nearest store. Other services being in a ten mile radius. A quick few minute drive at 35 MPH - a long day long event if you are walking. The price of everything ties into the price of petroleum. It takes petroleum to produce and ship everything. A lot of the stuff you use is directly tied into petroleum. Many drugs have plastics and petroleum in them. Nearly every form of medical application has plastic in it (scalpels, suture kits, even bandages). Food relies heavily on petroleum. All of those pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers are produced directly from oil. To plant seeds, cultivate, harvest requires oil to run the tractor. To process the food (can it) requires oil (to run the plant) oil (to line the cans) oil (to ship those cans out to stores) Oil (to get the workers to work to can, ship and put those cans on the shelf). Few people can manage to maintain their commute at $4.00 per gallon and pay bills and keep food on the table. Around $5.00 a gallon it becomes financially impossible for people to go to work (it starts costing more to get to work than what they can budget for fuel costs). Around $6.00 a gallon it becomes impossible for people to make enough to offset the fuel costs. Mind over 50% of the US population commute over 25 miles one way to their job. Stores will start closing around $6.00 a gallon. Specialty stores that deal in stuff that is not needed, expensive clothing shoe stores, will close their doors. A shortage of food will take place like none we have seen for the past 100 years as crops wither in the fields without enough workers to harvest and not enough machines to actually do the work. More food is lost sitting in boxes on the farm with no cheap way to get it to the canners. Riots and looting will break out in the inner city where it costs substantially more to get food due to shipping costs. Around $7.00 per gallon the USA will most likely be under a state of curfew as inner cities are having a bit of 'civil unrest' which is now bleeding over into the surrounding suburban areas. Over half of the medications people use to stay alive are petroleum based, meaning they require petroleum in part of the material that makes up the drug (outside of energy used to produce and ship the drug). The cost of these medications will sky-rocket. If you are not rich, you die. While people worry about the coming food riots, few understand that there will be a drug riot as heart medication, stroke medication, antibiotics, antivirals, blood thinners, thousands of other medications become too expensive to where your Health Insurance company will flat refuse to pay out. Add to that diabetic supplies. Around this time your typical farm crop yield will suddenly drop to about 10%. Why? Because we have used chemical fertilizers for so long that hardly any crop land is tenable. Chemical fertilizers is to soil what meth is to a person. Heavily addictive and able to strip the natural defenses of the soil down to nearly 0. It will take at least - AT LEAST - a decade before soils become naturally fertile again, assuming that the right weeds grow and die and rot and re-stabilize the soils. Pests and disease will most likely wipe out what is left of the crop as many of the seeds used do not have the right immunities to the plethora of diseases and pests that are kept at bay with chemicals we spray on our crops. There is a rebound effect of nearly 5 years before pests and disease drops to natural levels in soils. ANYTHING we plant as the way of food will be attacked and killed. Long before the price of gasoline reaches $10.00 a gallon the society we call the USA will collapse. Its addiction to oil is its own doom. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
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J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1164537 ![]() 01/18/2011 08:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gas price going up in a few spots: Michigan: [link to wtvbam.com] New Mexico predicting 3.50 to 4.00 by the end of the year: [link to wtvbam.com] Sacramento: [link to www.modbee.com] Of course, it's going up all over. Seems the national average as of today is 3.07. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 01/20/2011 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It just went up another .02 cents here in my area. The tally for this month: .06 total Day of the month: 20 Projected tally: .10 Days in the month: 31 Looks like it's gonna hit the .10 mark easily at this point. Still monitoring and evaluating news stories as it comes, but so far, the trend continues. What happened to gas going down AFTER the holidays? I still ask. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
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J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 01/29/2011 09:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | J, do you want to change your prediction from the 2011 thread? Quoting: cRoSS FiReI'm staying with $5, and I hope I am wrong. This ain't lookin so good. As of right now, my outlook is for my specific area. I know it's flawed that way, but it's the only trend that I can specifically look at. Realistically speaking based on past months' numbers, if all things hold constant, I see the national average close to $4.50 by year's end. Of course, we know things will probably alter from that. It could VERY well be $5.00 and I REALLY want to say that's the case, but that would be breaking my own statistical model. I'm at a crossroads between following the factual analysis for my area and what I would love to project. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
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J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 01/29/2011 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if you will pay 4 bucks per gallon you still pay roughly half of what we do, so my compassion is limited. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1247659Whats your mpg? Most of that is taxation though, at least for places like Britain. The problem is that if the world reserve currency that is used for gas exchange is suddenly in trouble, it spells trouble for the rest of the world. Your compassion needs to be of a broader spectrum. Don't think of it as "Americans are screwed". If the world reserve currency is screwed, what happens to the world? Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 01/29/2011 12:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hate to tell ya j-rico but the price aint coming down any time soon, you will see 5.00gal for gas before you will 2.00gal. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1232120Oh I know it'll never come down to 2.00 gal. What we saw in the second half of 2008 is NEVER going to happen again. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
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J-Rico (OP) User ID: 1116423 ![]() 02/02/2011 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gas just went up .04 cents. So far, the monthly tally is up to .08. My monthly numbers are up on the 5th. It's the 2nd, so I'm not so far off. What I will do on the 5th is begin to include the national average as well as the Jersey average and compare those numbers to my numbers. So far, almost par for the course. I don't think it'll go the extra .02 by the 5th in order to maintain the perfect course of .10 a month, but then again, I am going off of the 5th of the month, and not the first, so that's straying data a little. Had I gone by calendar month, January only saw about an increase of .04 cents, but... that's not the way I'm conducting this... unfortunately. So far, January 05 to Feb 02: 3 increases of .02 cents, 1 decrease of .02 cents and 1 increase of .04 cents totally for .08 Will continue to monitor. Everyone dies, but not everyone lives. :moranrico::Rico::moranrico: |
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