MOVIE! INCEPTION: SUICIDE CAMPAIGN, MENTAL ATTACKS

I watched the movie. I started getting a strange feeling and a paranoid feeling came over me. I had never had that feeling before. I didn't realize it was being caused by the movie until later. I don't listen to much music because it changes my mood. The movie wasn't interesting enough to watch again and the sound track..well,

Yeah it was pretty loud at times! This isn't about if you had suicidal thoughts or not, I didn't either, but this thread is about their repeated suggestions and implications that you are sleeping, it is better to "wake up", the only way to wake up is to kill yourself.

Thank you for your post. I believe your comments prove that some people were indeed influenced or disturbed by the relentless suggestions being made on multiple levels throughout the movie. Did you manage to take a careful look at my initial notes on page 1?

Did anyone else see the movie, movies with potentially harmful suggestions, or read my article on page 1?

I did read your article. However the premise you base your theory on is incorrect from the "inception".

The stuff about killing to wake up" and pain is in the mind is vital to the whole plot of the movie. Its what creates suspense in the movie.

same with going into 3 levels, its all about the plot and that is what makes the movie.

So do you believe the suicidal messages were a requirement in the movie?

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I did not see the suicdal message at all. The part about having to be killed to be alive is a part of the plot line.

Its a movie about going into dreams and coming back.

that very component is what lets you know in the first 5 minutes of the film that they are in fact "dreaming" and not in real life.

Thats the whole premise, it what makes the difference between the two parts of the movie. the dream and real world.

It also what makes the part when they go into a dream within a dream within a dream.

In fact, at the end of the movie, all the characters are alive. No one died

Making a central message in the movie part of the plot line, doesn't negate the message itself. Even though the movie is about going into dreams and coming back, it suggests that dreams may be so convincing that they seem entirely real, just like the reality we are experiencing now, and that the only way to escape that is to kill oneself.

These messages were ingrained into the plot, as you've said, but that doesn't negate them. Rather, it affirms them and makes them more readily accepted in order to continue understanding the story.There is alot of information about how stories can be used in therapy to suggest things to people.

I understand they are all alive in the end, but that only affirmed the idea that "don't worry about killing yourself, you'll still be alive in the end" when that might not be true at all, but was a point that needed to be accepted in order to continue with the movie.

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I listed the numerous suicidal implications and messages in the movie. If you read my notes you might remember. Yes, they are ingrained as part of the story. No, that does not mean they aren't suggestions.

I have not seen it... I have not felt that it would do me any good to see it, and now I see why... thanks, OP, for your thoughts!

You're very welcome! Thank you for visiting and commenting here! Have you been staying away from any other movies that you felt would do you no good?

In the movie "Animatrix," which is an animated continuation of the "Matrix" movies, a male teenager commits suicide to escape the false reality of the Matrix and enter the true reality of post-apocalyptic Earth.

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Wow! Very good! Thanks for mentioning that! Inception had that concept, but was almost relentless in suggesting it repeatedly as well as depicting it multiple times in different forms.

Although I am intrigued with lucid dreaming and at first started some of the experimentation I read about on the web, I noticed putting lots of effort into it made me feel guilty. I know there are fascinating worlds to explore in the mind, but then I ask myself, why were you born on earth to only try to escape it in this way? I decided for now to focus on remembering my dreams and focus my spiritual efforts into trying to heal the world as it is instead of selfishly escaping it. If those type of spiritual adventures come to me, I will embrace them, but to try to cultivate them doesn't seem to be what I am here for.

I've also been wondering if perhaps the Great Choice that the channellers, lightworkers etc, say we will be called upon to make at the end of the age, to go with the the Great Deceivers and be saved or to go down with the earth, might not be actual spaceships arriving to board us, but might be this one--to escape into these mental realms or to stay and suffer the final turbulation.

I don't really know the answer, and am divided in the sense that I love the thrill and adventure promised by lucid dreaming but also care immmensely about the everyday suffering, much preventable, of my fellow earthlings and of our beautiful planet.

The thoughts presented about this movie by the OP are very interesting and enlightening and well said. I actually have the movie from NetFlix at my house now, but haven't had a chance to watch it. I don't think I will. It is very tempting, since the topic intrigues me, and being 'armed' with this warning by the OP may help me rationalize seeing it anyway, but I am clear that what images and ideas you put in your mind are just like the food you feed your body--they become part of you. It always cracks me up to hear people say, how do you know this movie is destructive trash if you haven't seen it? It's a trick--once you see it, its damage is done.

It's much to consider and a joy to have a mind and sensibilities to explore these things.

The top kept spinning...what is reality? Oh and btw, his wife was still dead because she killed herself on her base plane of reality. Big no no! Be careful. What exactly is your base plane of reality?

I completely agree with what you have suggested here. I have also thought that the final test might be between self deception or reality, and that "boarding the ships" to escape Earth and be "put to sleep" may be the choice where we abandon ourselves and the very stuff we are made of to chose to "lose our bodies" and this may truly end up being a great mistake and deception. I think the choice might even break down into choosing oneself (solipsistic lucid dream and ambitiously jumping for selfish "hierarchy") or choosing each other, choosing love, care, help, and effort. It may be that we won't truly miss out on anything if we choose to love one another here, rather than making an escape, and I think your guilt may be indicative of the test as well as the results of certain choices.

An easy way to defeat the heavy programming in this film and its relentless attacks on the mind (which exhausted me even when I had awareness of what was going on and being suggested) is to realize that it isn't important if we are awake or sleeping, so long as we continue to live and love one another however we can without harming one another or ourselves and taking risks.

The film repeatedly implies that you are currently sleeping and there is no way to know that you aren't, that it is better to be "awake" and that the only way to escape the dream "which may last forever" is to kill yourself as soon as possible, and that killing yourself will only bring you to a better state of existence that is "real" and "good". It even goes so far as to suggest the risk "doesn't matter" and that you "have no choice".

I agree that the suggestions are like food, and in this case food being force fed to us, but the power of suggestion can lay in the unspoken implications. That it is better to be awake and that you're never quite awake until you kill yourself.

So yes, you might want to avoid the movie, but if you see it, remember that their statements about what is real or not and what to prefer or not are baseless. It doesn't matter if we are "dreaming" or "awake" according to anyone, so long as we are alive, and there is no need or rush to "wake up" any further if that is even possible, and that it is not bad to be alive in any state and to be happy in any state.

Once I realized that they had been suggesting covertly through implications that it is better to choose "waking up" and then suggesting the only way is suicide, the programming broke down because the implication was the basis for the rest of the program. When one identifies the covert implication that powered the rest of the suggestions and made them seem viable, it is exposed and given form and then can be seen as clearly absurd, dangerous, baseless, risky, and quite nasty to suggest to people. There is no need to "wake up" any further as the movie continuously implies, rather, this very well may be better or the best, and that taking the risks they suggest may completely end us, disable us, or lead us into much more terrible situations and it is just not worth the risk at all.

What makes it clear to me that they were aware of what they were suggesting was the repeated sentence about "going on the train, you know where you hope it will take you, but you dont know if it will take you there, but it doesnt matter" and "take a leap of faith" were purposefully trying to tell people to forget about the risks and just do it.

So yeah, at your discretion!

Yay!

That wasn't even his totem, it was hers originally. The movie seems to imply you're never quite sure what reality is real enough or satisfactory enough, because they dilligently worked throughout the movie to try to prove even the most mundane things are not proof of reality but actually proof that you're dreaming. So a person is left with only the option of accepting that even our very own reality resembles the dream state suggested in the movie, and thus we must be dream, and thus we should wake up since it is implied that it is better to wake up, and the only way to do this is through suicide.

Did anyone else see this movie? Has anyone else read my article on page 1? Do you know of any other movies that might suggest dangerous things to viewers? Inception is one of the most relentless and forceful suggestive movies that I've ever encountered. So much so that I felt I should perhaps write down the instances of suggestion and share them with others.

OP, have you considered the possibility that by watching this movie and/or being involved in the subsequent analysis of such, we are inadvertently falling prey to the MOTHER of all malevolent agendas, this being the distraction from our true purpose which is the remembrance and worship of the one true God, the Creator of the universe.(?)

The Passion of Christ by Mel Gibson. Whole Sunday school classes got together to go see it--it was so sad to know that little ole ladies, gentle Christians thought they were honoring their religion by seeing this and had to sit through a horrendous and gory torture scene. No, I didn't see it. I was aghast nonetheless.

The Passion of Christ by Mel Gibson. Whole Sunday school classes got together to go see it--it was so sad to know that little ole ladies, gentle Christians thought they were honoring their religion by seeing this and had to sit through a horrendous and gory torture scene. No, I didn't see it. I was aghast nonetheless.

Absolutely, we should both be worshipping God at the regular timings and not neglecting our worship and rememberance of the true God for either fear or interest in other things. Yes, creating puzzles is a great way to keep people's minds away from remembering God, and life returns to simple happiness and safety with remembering God.

Have you been able to maintain the practice of the religion while also finding time for the computer? I find the computer seems to steal a tremendous amount of time.

What do you think the suggestions might have been in that film, if you were to guess.

Has anyone else seen this movie or read my initial notes on the first page?

It was a bullet to the brain.....


The words of the Most High to me revealed answers, I don't know if you call it inspiration, but answers why my son did it, and why He allowed it. While the pain is not diminished, I have never had the questions, anger or bitterness that so many others ~ even believers ~ have had.

Is. 57: 1 The righteous perish,
and no one takes it to heart;
the devout are taken away,
and no one understands
that the righteous are taken away
to be spared from evil.
2 Those who walk uprightly
enter into peace;
they find rest as they lie in death.

I meant to add too, that it was without a doubt, demonically inspired. I know that.

Last Edited by If You Only Knew on 01/16/2011 01:42 PM

You're are kidding yourself if you think you're not caught up in dualism.

If you're bothered by references to killing oneself in the movie and think there is a secret agenda, then you are judging the rightness or wrongness of the movie.

You are "concerned" that people will be "tricked". Your very concern is dualism in action.

If you go looking for "hidden agendas", you are, at its root level, searching for evil. As such you are obviously are concerned by it and thus fear it. If you can accept that evil goes hand-in-hand with good, (something you deny) then you can learn from it rather than fear it.

In your reply to my other question asking whether suicide is right, wrong or neither, you skirted the word "wrong" by using any other word you could think of in order to prove to me that you're not bothered by or caught up in dualism. You may be kidding yourself, but you're not kidding me.

Dualism is an important aspect of our world. We wake up to light and go to sleep with darkness. Do you not see this?

In fact, anybody who posts on GLP is subject to dualism, including me. A person free from dualism would not find anything of interest here.

I have experienced non-dualism, so I know the state of mind exists. I also know that at the ultimate level, it is illusion, but when subject to it, it's seems very real and in many ways, it is real.

You're pretending to be above these ideas. Bullshit. I can admit I am subject to this illusion, why can't you?

LOL, I absolutely do maintain my religion! The internet is a tool and has the capacity to be used for dark or light purposes. I like the tool analogy that guns don't kill but people do. Facebook has a tremendous value in terms of dawah, if that is your intention. Obviously we are all human and get sidetracked from time to time, but I believe intelligent discourse on relevant topics is a more worthy pastime than playing computer games.

If watching a movie, no matter what it suggests, causes people to kill themselves, then they were unbalanced coming into it and probably would have done the deed sooner or later anyway. I just don't buy into the idea that movies are so sinister they can cause people to kill themselves. Sorry to be a buzz kill.