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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They have no kingdom as of yet. In other words, they are representatives or ambassadors from other countries who become appointed by the beast as those countries "kings." So what happened to the 10 countries previous kings? It doesnīt say. But they are replaced by these new ones. Or, perhaps, since they have no kingdom, they are appointed as an interim leader over a particular area or kingdom as a representative of the beast. In other words, the beast creates a council of 10 people and each of these people becomes a representative for him over a particular country. Or, as with the UN who has on paper already divided the world up into 10 areas, each king becomes a leader/representative of one of these areas. The passage says these kings all have one mind and give their power to the beast. This means they are all in agreement with each other and give their power and strength to the beast. They form an alliance. They give him control or full support of their militaries and financial backing. So we have 10 people, who are awarded control of 10 countries, and then they give that countries military and full support to the Antichrist beast. Doesnīt make sense does it? But that is what happens. And what do all these geniuses decide to do? To make war with the Lamb, the real Messiah Jesus Christ, Yahushua. They proclaim war on the Son of God. Not too bright are they? And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues (verse 15).. The angel is telling John that the waters where the whore sits contains people of all nations, races and languages. These people are in her land. In other words, where the whore rules from, contains people of all races and languages. It contains immigrants from around the world. America is the only nation in the world ever referred to as the melting pot for exiles and immigrants. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked. And shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire. For God hath put in their hearts to fulfill his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled (verses 16-17). Ok, now remember the beast is a person, masculine tense, the whore is a nation. The Beast comes OUT of the nation. Heīs from the nation itself. He goes and makes a 10 nation alliance, to destroy his own nation. Why? Because heīs a traitor? Well yes, but also because he subverted it to begin with as a leader/president so he could do exactly what heīs going to do, turn around and destroy it. He rises to political authority through America, as the President of the United States no doubt, then makes an agreement and an alliance with the heads of 10 other countries to destroy his own country. Remember, the woman (nation) rides the beast. She controls him. He hates her, (the nation) and so burns with her fire. Doesnīt make sense does it? But that is exactly what happens. As president he makes her desolate and naked. He makes her desolate through the murder of thousands, perhaps millions of the saints, then pulls her defenses down so she can be attacked and destroyed. Another thing is this. One of the things I have seen over and over in the Bible Codes is that when the President of the United States originally dies (Rev. 13), a formal state funeral is given and he is replaced as president by someone else. When he comes back as "God" but we know him as Satan incarnate as man, the Antichrist, he no longer has a position of authority. Someone else has already replaced him as president. Besides, when he comes back the False Prophet claims this beast arriving is "God" returning to earth to build his kingdom on earth, so that changes things quite a bit on the world scene. The theatrics involved with bringing the former president of the USA back to earth as God would warrant an Oscar nomination. It involves technology from a gramophone at the space station to announce his arrival to theatrical light and image effects from H.A.A.R.P. This whole charade is known as the Blue Beam Project and they have been working on perfecting it for years. All of this stuff has been well planned in advance. In fact, it is American taxpayer money and the illegal sale of drugs and child pornography that has funded not only the preparation and the coming war on the saints, but the arrival of Satan as God in a spectacular display of technology with light and sound affects all the way from space to the earth. From what I have seen, when he returns he is at odds with the person who replaced him as president of the United States. They do not get along. I donīt know if he stays in America, but we know what he does when he comes back. He makes an alliance with 10 other people, appoints them as leaders of the countries they are from or UN spheres, and then destroys and attacks America. And the woman which thou sawest is that great city which reigneth over the kings of the earth (verse 18). Remember the term city also means nation. So it can be a literal city, or the chief city inside of a nation, or the nation itself. In this instance itīs back to New York City itself and speaking of the United Nations, which by then, might be in rule over the nations of the earth. Right now itīs a joke. But that could change. If not, then it would be referring to Washington D.C. the political capitol of Babylon and the governing center of the New World Order. I donīt think the Scriptures were unclear about who the last days Babylon was going to be. I donīt think you could describe America any better than this. Why wonīt your church leaders tell you? Because they are the Harlots in cahoots with the devil to keep you in the dark or just plain ignorant of what the Bible really says. If you could read over the 100 prophecies describing the end times nation in power and recognize it as America, why canīt they? Get out of the churches and back into Yahweh. The last days churches as signified by the church of Laodicea in Revelation chapter 3 are not of Him. He is seen standing outside the door of them. In other words, HE IS NOT IN THEM. Any body agree with this? Just trying to start up another Babel on thread! |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just keep watching more is to follow there. Its not as sweet as you say it is. The west side of Palestine is where the "water" is so guess who gets that! Gaza is all messed up having homes and lives destroyed by Israeli tanks, guns and most likely having depleted uranium poisoning from it perhaps Israel just wants no part of that repair job they had done. They take the easy way out, mess it up and let the Palestinians rebuild what they had destroyed. The Israelis get the water side. |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Whoever controls the traffic is the boss. Think...Israel has violated more UN resolutions than any other country and got away with it. Iraq violated some UN resolutions, too, and got bombed. Of course, NYC was the major banking center of the world, but that kinda got messed up with the towers brought to the ground. Twin pillars, as it were. No mystery there, so I doubt if NYC was ever thought to be "Mystery Babylon". Consider the two witnesses who are killed on the streets in Rev. 11:8 "And their bodies shall lie in the streets of the great city which is called spiritually, Sodom and Egypt: where their Lord was also crucified." Jeruselem. The woman who sits on the beast: Rev. 17:5 "And on her forehead a name was written. A mystery: Babylon the great, the MOTHER of the fornications and abominations of the earth." This speaks of the Babylonian religion began in the days of Nimrod and is carried on by their successors. NYC has never been known to be the religious capital of the world. Jeruselem is not now known than being anything other than a burdensome stone to the nations. Rev. 17:15 And the woman which you saw is the great city which has kingdom over the kings of the earth. Who sits a Queen, who says in Rev. 18:7 "...I sit a Queen and am no widow: and sorrow I shall not see." From Vatican documents: Papal Claim to Authority: #1. "The Pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is NOT MERE MAN, but as it were God, and the vicar of God." #18. "As to papal authority, the Pope is as it were God on earth, Sole sovereign of all the faithful of Christ, CHIEF KING OF KINGS, having a plentitude of UNBROKEN POWER, entrusted by the omnipotent God to govern the earthly and heavenly kingdoms." [link to www.aloha.net] |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1. Babylon would be noted for its architecture, buildings and skyline (Isaiah 13:22) MY RESPONSE (NOT YELLING JUST DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN YOUR POSTS AND MINE FOR EASIER READING): THAT WAS THE FIRST BABYLON. ALTHOUGH I AGREE THAT BEING NOTED FOR ARCHITECTURE COULD BE THE SAME IN ALL THE BEAST KINGDOMS DOWN THROUGH HISTORY, THIS VERSE IS SPECIFICALLY RELATING TO THE BABYLON OF THEIR TIME. ALSO, ROME DEFINITELY IS NOTED FOR ITS ARCHITECTURE, BOTH PAGAN ROME AND HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE. 2. Is the lone super power of the world (Isaiah 47:5,8) AGAIN, THIS IS REFERRING TO BABYLON OF THEIR TIME, NOT OF OUR TIME. AND EVEN IF IT WERE REFERRING TO OUR TIME, THERE ARE MANY MANY CHRISTIANS AND OTHERS HERE IN THE USA WHO DONīT GO ALONG WITH BABYLONIAN IDEALS OR RELIGION. THE USA IS NOT THE LONE SUPER OF THE WORLD AND THE VERSE DOES NOT REFER TO A SUPER POWER. THATīS YOUR ADDITION SO THAT YOU CAN FIT THE VERSES WITH END TIMES BUT OUT OF LACK OF KNOWLEDGE OF THE REAL SITUATION. 3. Is the most respected and envied around the world and yet at the same time is hated by the world. (Isaiah 18:2) DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW MANY PLACES THIS CAN REFER TO? ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE FACT, THESE VERSES ARE ABOUT THE KINGDOMS OF THEIR TIME, NOT OUR TIME. 4. Has a unique and remarkable beginning, different from other nations and has been awe-inspiring from itīs conception. (Isaiah 18:2). SO BEING FOUNDED BY ONE OF A PAIR OF HYBRID OFFSPRING (ROMULUS AND REMUS) DOESNīT COUNT AS REMARKABLE AND UNIQUE? AND OF COURSE, ROME HASNīT BEEN AWE INSPIRING SINCE ITīS INCEPTION. WHAT WAS I THINKING... ;) 5. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7) SO AMERICANS ARE DAUGHTERS OF THE CHALDEANS? THATīS NEWS TO ME. CHECKING YOUR FACTS WOULD BE USEFUL IF YOU WISH TO INTERPRET PROPHECY. 6. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6) BABYLON THE GREAT IN 17 AND 18 IS ABOUT A SPIRITUAL POWER - A RELIGION. PLEASE ARRANGE THE BEASTS IN THEIR PROPER ORDER AND LEARN. THE BEAST OF 17 IS MISSING ITS CROWNS. IT HAS NO WORLDY POWER OTHER THAN HOW IT PERTAINS TO RELIGION, A FALSE RELIGION, THAT FOLLOWS THE OLD BABYLONIAN SYSTEM OF WORSHIP OF THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN. THUSLY WHY IT IS A WHORE. NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE DOES IT SAY WE SHOULD WORSHIP THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN, NO MATTER WHO SHE IS. 7. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9). "LIBERTY" on our money, and sits in the New York Harbor. YES, HOWEVER, THAT WAS REFERRING TO THE BABYLON OF THEIR TIME. THE WORSHIP OF THE QUEEN OF HEAVEN. THEREīS NOTHING SINFUL ABOUT LIBERTY. GOD MADE YOU WITH A FREE WILL. HE WOULD NOT ACCEPT THE OBEISANCE OF ANYONE WHO DIDNīT ACTUALLY BELIEVE IN HIM, AND FORCING PEOPLE TO FOLLOW A RELIGION IS THE ANTI-THESIS OF WHAT HE WANTS FROM US. DO SOME STUDY ON ANCIENT BABYLONIAN RELIGIOUS PRACTICES. COMPARE AND CONTRAST TO ANCIENT ROME, PAGAN AND "HOLY." 8. Babylon is nation "peeled", or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2). Y0UīD THINK NO ONE TRAVELLED IN SHIPS OR HAD ANYTHING OF VALUE EVER, BEFORE THE US! AMONG OTHER THINGS, YOUR BEAST IS INCORRECTLY FITTED OUT TO AGREE WITH THE STATUE OF NEBUCHADNEZZAR WHICH WAS THE ROLE MODEL FOR ALL THE FOLLOWING BABYLONIAN KINGDOMS, IN SUCCESSION, WITHOUT A HOP SKIP OR JUMP IN THE TIMELINE. THEREīS NO PROVISION IN IT FOR AMERICA. 9. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2). STUDY IRAQ AND GET BACK TO ME. 10. Babylon is a land that is measured out, and populated throughout (Isa 18:2). THEREīS MORE VACANT LAND IN THE USA THAN IN IRAQ OR ITALY FOR THAT MATTER. 11. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7). WELL THAT NEVER HAPPENS ANYWHERE ELSE ON THE PLANET....EVER...IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD. READ THE MAHABARATA. THEY NUKED EACH OTHER TO DEATH. THEREīS ALOT OF EXAMPLES OF BABYLONIAN KINGDOMS SCREWING UP THE LANDSCAPE BUT THE USA DOESNīT EVEN MAKE IT ON THE STATUE. WRONG TIME FRAME, COMPLETELY. 12. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD SCRIPTURE? 13. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; WAS THIS NOT THE PROBLEM OF BABYLON IN THEIR TIME? ITīS LEADERS BELIEVED THEY WERE GODS ON EARTH. WOO, THAT SOUNDS FAMILAR. WHO THOUGHT THAT IN THE DAYS OF THE EMPIRES? THE CASEARS, PERHAPS? WHO TO THIS DAY, ARE IN THE GUISE OF THE POPES? YOU REALIZE A POPE GLEANS A BIGGER TURNOUT, MORE ADULATION AND WORSHIP THAN ANY AMERICAN PRESIDENT COULD EVER HOPE FOR. WHILE YOUīRE TILTING WINDMILSS THE REAL BEASTS ARE GROWING STRONGER AND STRONGER (AGAIN). 14. Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13). SO IS ROME, SO IS EUROPE. SO WERE THE WORLD EMPIRES OF NEBUCHADNEZZARīS STATUE. 15. Babylonīs governmental system breaks down (Isa 47:13). MOST OF CHRISTIAN AMERICA DOES NOT BELIEVE IN ASTROLOGY OR FORTUNE-TELLERS. THIS WAS FOR THE TIME OF THE PAGAN EMPIRES OF NEBUCHADNEZZARīS STATUE. THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE ONLY MARGINALLY ACCEPTED IT. 16. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13). LOL NAME A COUNTRY THAT DOESNīT HAVE THIS PROBLEM. BUT ANYWAY, IF THESE VERSES WERE REFERRING TO ANYTHING ITīD BE THOSE EMPIRES OF NEBUCHADNEZZARīS STATUE. IF YOU THINK YOUīRE SO SMART, GO TO [link to RAWA.ORG] AND READ UP ON THE STATE OF AFGHANISTAN AT ANY POINT IN TIME. EVER. IN THEIR HISTORY. 17. Babylonīs leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2). YEP, THEY SURE DID. AND PRETTY MUCH EVERY NATION ON THE PLANET HAS THIS IN THEIR HISTORY SOMEWHERE BECAUSE NOT ALL NATIONS ALWAYS HAVE BELIEVERS LEADING THEM. 18. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12). THIS FITS ANCIENT BABYLON TO THE "T". IT ALSO FITS THE GRECIAN AND PAGAN ROMAN EMPIRES. LOOK UP THE WORD "PEDERASTY" AND GET BACK TO ME. VESTAL VIRGINS. I AM NOT DENYING THAT SOME OF OUR LEADERS HAVE BEEN BAD, WHAT IīM DENYING IS THAT WE FIT ON NEBUCHADNEZZARīS STATUE. WE DONīT. PLEASE LEARN THE PROPHECIES IN THEIR CORRECT ORDER. 19. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13). SO ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU BELIEVE THAT ALL OTHER NATIONS FOR THE HISTORY OF THE EARTH WERE LESS RELIGIOUSLY CONFUSED THAN AMERICA? YOU REALIZE WHERE THE CONFUSION COMES IN IS NOT DIVERSITY BUT RATHER PEOPLE WHO ARE SEEKING AND BEING TOLD THINGS LIKE, PRAY 20 HAIL MARYS FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SIN, AS IF MARY COULD FORGIVE HER OWN SINS MUCH LESS ANYONE ELSEīS. EVEN SO, THESE VERSES ARE REFERRING TO BABYLON OF THEIR TIME AND MOST LIKELY NOT EVEN REFERRING TO BABYLON OF THE GRECIAN AND ROMAN EMPIRES. 20. THE KING OF BABYLON is called LUCIFER, the ANTICHRIST (Isa 14:4-6). WE DONīT HAVE A GOLDEN CITY. NEVER HAVE. THESE WERE PEOPLE WHO FLAUNTED THEIR GOLD WEALTH ON THEIR BUILDINGS, NOT HIDDEN IN SAFE DEPOSIT BOXES OR FORTS, BUT GOLD ENCRUSTED BUILDINGS. WHEN BAGHDAD WAS OVERTHROWN THEY FOUND THE INSIDE OF SADDAMīS PALACE WALLS WERE COVERED IN GOLD. 21. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18). THE GREAT CITY IS A RELIGIOUS CENTER. R E L I G I O U S. ITīS ROME. 22. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY AND SO IT DID. THRU 2 CONSECUTIVE EMPIRES. THE SECOND ONE, THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE, RECEIVED A WOUND TO ITS POLITICAL HEAD, BUT IT CONTINUED TO SURVIVE. ITīS NOW PURELY A RELIGIOUS EMPIRE, BUT IT STILL THRIVES. IT WAS, IT IS NOT, AND YET IS. IT JUST CHANGED ITS POSTURE. PLEASE KEEP THE BABYLONS IN ORDER. FIRST BABYLON, THEN MEDO-PERSIAN, THEN GRECIAN, THEN ROMAN, THEN HOLY ROMAN. THATīS IT. NOTHING AFTERWARDS, BECAUSE THE FINAL ONE, THE HOLY ROMAN, IS NOT GONE! ONLY WOUNDED! REMEMBER THE BODY PARTS OF THE STATUE MUST STAY CONSECUTIVE IN THE TIMELINE. THEY CANīT SKIP OVER EMPIRES. EACH FOLLOWS THE ONE BEFORE IT. |
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Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hereīs some things to think about: The "Statue of Liberty" = goddess worship. Thereīs of course statues (idols) all over the arcitechture of DC, including the top of the capitol. Take other things like the layout of the streets in Washington, forming a pentagram. Or Molech. Or, the back of the dollar bill. Something that always amazes me are the people who saw, īwhen are they going to take in God We Trustī off of the money? On the back of the dollar bill, along the top, in Latin, it reads īannouncing the birth ofī and the bottom says īnew secular orderī Secular means īof the worldī. How can you say īin God We Trustī on the top of the money, but īnew secular orderī on the left side? Itīs because the god that is being worshipped isnīt the Lord Yahweh. The other thing that I find interesting about this whole debate is the people that say Babylon will be rebuilt in the first 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation. What Bible is that from? The Tribulation starts right after the letters to the churches when the seals are broken. It sounds to me like people will have other things on their mind when Babylon is supposedly being rebuilt. Just some things to ponder. In Christ, Mb |
Anonymous Coward 12/08/2005 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 642, I donīt know of anyone that thinks Babylon will be rebuilt. Thatīs some kind of middle eastern urban legend. Babylon was never gone. Itīs still right where we last noticed it in our history and books of religion: Rome. It has just received a wound to its political head, and as a result has only thrived publically, as a religious empire, ruling religious people. Yet, it still exists and has world wide influence in all matters. It has secret societies and criminals that do its dirty work in the guise of the syndicate, the mob and the mafia. It hasnīt fallen down. It hasnīt been destroyed. It just backed off to keep the natives from trampling it to death and stealing all its wealth. It was, it is not, and yet it is. And itīs deadly wound will be healed. |