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How to live off the government - without having a ton of children (Or even one child!)

 
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living off the government you are in bondage to the government...
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If you were registered at birth, the government will try to tell you that you are in bondage with their corporation, and unless you know what to say to rebuke that claim, you will be since by their rules it is dishonorable and therefore unacceptable to just simply say no without proving your self as above their jurisdiction.

And really, what's so bad about being in bondage to a few relatively logical statute rules when compared to the bondage of our monetary system being run by private corporations for private profit simply for commandeering the system?

How much money went to the banks pockets last year, how many hundred's of billions? What was that money spent on, and how did it positively impact the general welfare of the people that paid the way for that profit?

I understand why no one replys to my postings, no one really wants to look at the big picture because it really is very disturbing and depressing.

Whatever, I have nothing better to do anyway so if I have to talk with 'myself' here just like most of the rest of the time, what's the difference anyway right?
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No one needs money, it is only a convenience to acquiring things you actually do need.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1060667

Your logic stands on it's head. In one breath you claim "no one needs money" and next you claim it is the vehicle required to get the things you need.

How are you planning to eat if no one works?
I'd rather die on my feet than "live" on my knees.
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01/18/2011 02:41 PM
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Maybe if I brought it to the light then states would start to rethink these rules.

This may only be true in some states and not all of them, but I suggest if you would like to start changing it that you check out your state's welfare office rules and regulations.

It is all very simple actually. You don't work for 6 months. Then you sign up for Social Security. Then you sign up for welfare. Then you sign up for housing in your city. It could take awhile to get into a place. The problem here is that a lot of states have this rule for welfare where if you have applied for Social Security then they can not force you to get a job.

What happens when Social Security says you are not disabled? Well, first you do a reconsideration. (That takes up to 8 weeks to complete.) If they deny that then you go on to a Hearing...which can take up to 2 years to get a hearing date. After they deny that you go to an Appeals Council. Another 12 to 36 months to do that. And finally off to the Federal Court. Probably another year or so.

So, if your really NOT disabled and you stop after the hearing part and start all over again, you will be forever in the system, getting free housing, medical, food and money along the way.

How exactly do I know this? My neighbor does it. She lets the whole thing go through to a certain point and then just starts a whole new claim, but it allows her to stay on welfare forever, since the state can not force someone who is applying for Social Security to get a job.

I also know it because I had the same thing happen to me. The difference being that I got approved for social security after the very first reconsideration. (And I only had the reconsideration cause I didn't show up the first time for my psych meeting.) I actually moved to a new state in between and the new state said that I had to get a job. Once I filled for the reconsideration, they were not allowed to force me to get a job.

There is a huge difference between being disabled and getting social security and not being disabled and just using the system to your advantage. I think that if people apply for a reconsideration and get denied, people should have to go to the next level (Hearing) and if that is denied , the next level (Appeals Council) and if that is denied to the Federal Courts. And if the Federal Courts say you are not disabled, they can not apply again unless their medical history drastically changes. The problem is that they say that if you are denied for Social Security in the hearing phase that you can continue that claim to the next level and start a whole new claim!!

And I thought that the people living off welfare that have a dozen children is worse....not anymore. At least the government is supporting children. This though, is crazy.
 Quoting: Mother Mary

Wait...what? You can quit work, claim to have a disability and apply for SS Disability payments, meanwhile collecting money? Do you have to pay for any of these hearings? I know there is a rule about having to have had a job in the last couple of years. I'm wondering because I know someone- an at home mom,has been quite ill for years. When her husband lost his job and they lost their house, no way she can collect SS because she wasn't working all along. That doesn't seem fair. They are being penalized for being middle class back then, now they are broke and there's no help for them. They can't get any kind of govt. help, just had to move in with relatives. Well, they do get food stamps. the husband finally took a crappy job way beneath his abilities. Relatives now want them out. I really don't see any chance of them getting govt. housing or anything like that. They are just part of the working poor now.
Doesn't a doctor have to testify you have a disease? If so, why does SS argue it? Maybe someone claiming to have pain that really can't be proved? I don't get it.
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01/18/2011 02:42 PM
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Re: How to live off the government - without having a ton of children (Or even one child!)
Never heard of that OP, thanks for stating the facts.

I know some people need the disability income and some only take it for the time they are out of work, it is not always a lifetime benefit (people forget that)

Cant they tell who keeps repeating claims or what? I mean if you had more then 2 claims, why wouldnt they look into what is going on?
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Bring it down baby!


If everyone did this, this system of corruption and human suffering would crumble. Fuck government, they steal from US, take it back.
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living off the government you are in bondage to the government...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 703302


From your very first breath, you are in bondage to the government.

Why not take whatever you can back from it?
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01/18/2011 03:05 PM
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You lazy fucking slob. It's people like you who are responsible for the shit pile this country is in.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1232365


Nope. Not true.

The bloodsucking plutocrats on Wall Street and huge corporate reptiles are to blame. They bleed the middle class and poor until they have nothing, while they receive trillions in bailout money, billions in tax credits, grants, subsidies, dirt cheap resources, and liability releases.

When the middle class and poor run out of money to buy food, clothing, fuel, electricity, heat, and health care, from the bloating capitalists, the plutocrats institute public assistance to provide just enough money so that the poor, disabled, or unemployed can still buy shit from the capitalist.

The day that public assistance is cut off, will be the day before the capitalists go bankrupt.

If the capitalists don't like the system, they can bring back the 20 million jobs that they took to communist China.

It's OK for a capitalist to be a communist, but it's not OK for a poor or disabled person to get enough welfare to buy shit from capitalists. Hmmmm....
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As the government produces nothing of value, all it has is what it has stolen from others. The only difference between the corporate and banking parasites and the welfare/social security parasites is how much they steal. A $5 whore and a $1000 whore are both whores. But at least a whore does something to earn their money.

OP, you have formally declared yourself incompetent, officially and to the whole world. The universe and source intelligence pay attention to these things; when you openly declare that you are a loser, that's what you will get from then on.

Where do you think you daughter learned that as a way to live?
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Where do you think you daughter learned that as a way to live?
 Quoting: m_astera


At least she taught her daughter something useful, like how not to be a slave to a system designed to perpetuate self defeating consciousness.

Just because we choose not to support corrupt economics and monopolized fiat currency means we are a loser? Someone needs to take a look in the mirror bud, the last time I checked I receive my extremely humble penance from the general public because that is what I serve, but just because I don't serve it in a way that it tells me I should be makes me a loser right?

As far as I'm concerned, 90% of the working population isn't fit to raise children because they are not more than children themselves, having no concrete knowledge of the societal systems upon which they depend and putting little back into those systems besides resentful or ignorant 'mandatory generosity' ie taxes.

All I see here is another post denouncing a symptom instead of addressing any cause. Typical glp shill fail.
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01/18/2011 04:14 PM
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Re: How to live off the government - without having a ton of children (Or even one child!)
Your logic stands on it's head. In one breath you claim "no one needs money" and next you claim it is the vehicle required to get the things you need.

How are you planning to eat if no one works?
 Quoting: canadian farmer


Lies, I said people use money for its convenience, and perhaps went as far as saying most people are disabled in that they are overly dependent on money, because how would anyone eat if no one worked? I have family with farmland, I would find somewhere to go but what about everyone else in the cities?
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Re: How to live off the government - without having a ton of children (Or even one child!)
Why the fuck do ppl want to leach the system smh. Here's an. Idea.....WORK
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Re: How to live off the government - without having a ton of children (Or even one child!)
Be a wage slave or be a dependent slave you are still under the violent coercion of the state.

What will happen when it self destructs? Which it will.
Sometimes I think the evil PTB would rather destroy the world than give up control of it.
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01/18/2011 04:34 PM
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Re: How to live off the government - without having a ton of children (Or even one child!)
You were getting SS? Hmmm, you look so fit and healthy... hiding
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01/18/2011 04:38 PM
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why can't disabled people work? There are many available jobs online: website design, article writing, graphic design, etc...
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Why the fuck do ppl want to leach the system smh. Here's an. Idea.....WORK
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I wish I had your job, you are on here at all hours!
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I have family with farmland?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1060667

Ya, and guess what? If your family doesn't work the farm they don't eat! Those crops don't get planted and harvested by themselves. It requires WORK!
I'd rather die on my feet than "live" on my knees.
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The thing is that people who really, REALLY do need disability sometimes do not get it. My brother had 2 major heartattacks and filed. The first one he had at age 40, died for 3 minutes and was brought back. Luckily, he was training at a police academy at the time so they had a paramedic there. The second time he was able to get help from an abulance pretty quickly.
He filed for disability for he could not even walk to his mailbox. He was able to get a heart transplant but felt that a younger person then him should have first dibs on one and that someone should not have to die for him to live. We had to fight with oklahoma red tape for 3 years to get his disability. They finally ok'd it one month after he passed away of his 3rd and final heart attack. The stress of worrying about bills, his medicine he couldn't afford, bills from doctors, his 3 children to raise, and trying to get some kind of income got to him.
Even with his doctors writing letters to those people it still took 3 years. I finally wrote to the Governer's office, and several other DHS offices several times explaining everything. Not sure if this is what got it through or not but they wrote me back saying they would check into it and then it was ok'd but to late for him.
People do work the system and should not for there are so many that do need it.
Mother Mary  (OP)

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You were getting SS? Hmmm, you look so fit and healthy... hiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 673477


LOL...no I'm not, a lot of people here swear that I am fat!

Really, I get disability because I have anxiety & PTSD (Plus a few other things like ADHD that I refuse to take meds for.) I am currently looking into something I love to do as an income instead of getting SSI for the rest of my life. (Tarot readings and numerology.) Over the internet of course, due to my anxiety and PTSD etc etc. I am sure I could make more then the $398 I get a month from SSI.
My anthem to the shills of GLP:
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We're believin' in the proof, we're believin' in the truth
We're believin' in each other, not you, you, you
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i don't think your plan is that easy...lol


i know some peeps who have tried..


but hey whatever works:)


use the system or it will use you:)
~*i love you*~
Mother Mary  (OP)

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Wait...what? You can quit work, claim to have a disability and apply for SS Disability payments, meanwhile collecting money? Do you have to pay for any of these hearings? I know there is a rule about having to have had a job in the last couple of years. I'm wondering because I know someone- an at home mom,has been quite ill for years. When her husband lost his job and they lost their house, no way she can collect SS because she wasn't working all along. That doesn't seem fair. They are being penalized for being middle class back then, now they are broke and there's no help for them. They can't get any kind of govt. help, just had to move in with relatives. Well, they do get food stamps. the husband finally took a crappy job way beneath his abilities. Relatives now want them out. I really don't see any chance of them getting govt. housing or anything like that. They are just part of the working poor now.
Doesn't a doctor have to testify you have a disease? If so, why does SS argue it? Maybe someone claiming to have pain that really can't be proved? I don't get it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1145382


Well, she does.(My neighbor to the first question.) You don't have to pay for the hearings. Although if you get to the hearing part they suggest you have a lawyer and as I have heard you have to pay a certain percentage to that lawyer. But I never had to get a lawyer for my claim.

Even if her husband is working she can still qualify for SSI. (Not SSDI) All she has to do is get her medical records from her doctor(s) and then go fill out the paper work. If they have questions as to her qualifying for SSI then they would send her to a new doctor. (Social Security pays for it.)

Social Security argues just about everything if they see anything that might show that you are not disabled. Only 30% are approved the first time on the first claim. 20% are approved on reconsideration.

Hope that helps your friend.
My anthem to the shills of GLP:
We're never gonna, believe in, the stories, that you're weavin'
We're believin' in the proof, we're believin' in the truth
We're believin' in each other, not you, you, you
(Bang Bang Bang - Mark Ronson)
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i don't think your plan is that easy...lol


i know some peeps who have tried..


but hey whatever works:)


use the system or it will use you:)
 Quoting: cornucopia

Hey, I'm all for beating the system. Does it work for guys? I'm out of work. I cannot smell, so does that make me dis-abled? ( I know it's a shit ass exuse ) but, NO SENSE OF SMELL WHATSOEVER UNLESS IM ON STEROIDS. Do I have to be single? Can I be married? Wifey makes 50K a year? How can I beat the system?
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Why the fuck do ppl want to leach the system smh. Here's an. Idea.....WORK
 Quoting: LunaLu

^this^
Failing to plan, is planning to fail.

All intelligent people are conscious, not all conscious people are intelligent.
Mother Mary  (OP)

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The thing is that people who really, REALLY do need disability sometimes do not get it. My brother had 2 major heartattacks and filed. The first one he had at age 40, died for 3 minutes and was brought back. Luckily, he was training at a police academy at the time so they had a paramedic there. The second time he was able to get help from an abulance pretty quickly.
He filed for disability for he could not even walk to his mailbox. He was able to get a heart transplant but felt that a younger person then him should have first dibs on one and that someone should not have to die for him to live. We had to fight with oklahoma red tape for 3 years to get his disability. They finally ok'd it one month after he passed away of his 3rd and final heart attack. The stress of worrying about bills, his medicine he couldn't afford, bills from doctors, his 3 children to raise, and trying to get some kind of income got to him.
Even with his doctors writing letters to those people it still took 3 years. I finally wrote to the Governer's office, and several other DHS offices several times explaining everything. Not sure if this is what got it through or not but they wrote me back saying they would check into it and then it was ok'd but to late for him.
People do work the system and should not for there are so many that do need it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1143098



That right there is part of the whole point of this thread. There really are people that need it and then they can't get it. I'm so sorry about your brother. hugs
My anthem to the shills of GLP:
We're never gonna, believe in, the stories, that you're weavin'
We're believin' in the proof, we're believin' in the truth
We're believin' in each other, not you, you, you
(Bang Bang Bang - Mark Ronson)
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Why the fuck do ppl want to leach the system smh. Here's an. Idea.....WORK
 Quoting: LunaLu





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House, electric, computer, ISP, GLP account, time on your hands to post......on the dole--priceless.
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But would anyone actually want to live in government housing?


There is something wrong with a person who is proud of leeching.
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Hud will pay your rent for you to live in a normal house or apt
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01/18/2011 08:11 PM
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why can't most of working class people just accept that we are ALL slaves to the system.
Welfare or no welfare. hard working or non hard working.
slaves slaves slaves all the same.
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We need FREE Energy. Problem solved everyone gets the BASICS. You work you get more.
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ahhh the joys of democracy...
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