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!!ALERT!! Barrow Alaska - The sun rose for 12 minutes today! (WASN'T SUPPOSE TO RISE TILL JAN 24!!!) Follows Greenland and Norway!

 
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If these things are actually happening, wondering "why"is a big waste of time and energy...PREPARE, FOLKS!

Get your spiritual/physical houses IN ORDER!


I agree with your sentiments.

If i can understand the "mechanics" that will help me to explain to people if/when things get dire.

I would like to add, I believe God is the great mechanic he creates wheels within wheels. I think during the end days our "intellect and reasoning" will alert us.

On the down side (lol) God will create 3 days of darkness. I wold love to know if there is a mechanical cause of this but Jst the same I am happy to understand...If he wills it, it will happen.

Signs and wonders ! I would just like to be one of those who try to understand the signs.
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Yes, exactly how I feel. If I have friends and family and I wanted to explain this to them, I need something to go on. Of course I post this here because I consider all at glp my friends, if you will. If it helps one person or family prep more ot even start prepping then that is a good thing. The spiritual side of this is just as important as any physical prep you will ever make.
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We're believin' in the proof, we're believin' in the truth
We're believin' in each other, not you, you, you
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Sunset today was supposed to be 5:10, it set at 5:33 23 minutes later. Same last Tuesday 23 minutes late setting.
Couldn't check Wed and Thursday because of rain.
I'll check sunrise in the morning.
Things are very strange.
 Quoting: Earth Cries



Thank you, i have had the odd feeling of too much daylight here in the uk.

I wonder if it would be an idea for folks to post their latitudes ?

I have the feeling its a north south tilt rather than an east west acceleration.
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Sunset today was supposed to be 5:10, it set at 5:33 23 minutes later. Same last Tuesday 23 minutes late setting.
Couldn't check Wed and Thursday because of rain.
I'll check sunrise in the morning.
Things are very strange.
 Quoting: Earth Cries


Thank you for checking! Still mostly cloudy here so very difficult for me to check. This is interesting because there is no other explanation for the sun setting late....except for the ones given.
My anthem to the shills of GLP:
We're never gonna, believe in, the stories, that you're weavin'
We're believin' in the proof, we're believin' in the truth
We're believin' in each other, not you, you, you
(Bang Bang Bang - Mark Ronson)
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ive been freezing my ass off here in alabama day after day. we've already had 3 snow events and 1 ice event thus far this winter season and wedged in between those events was the new years eve and new years day thunderstorms. some bizarre weather and a white christmas to boot.
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Sunset today was supposed to be 5:10, it set at 5:33 23 minutes later. Same last Tuesday 23 minutes late setting.
Couldn't check Wed and Thursday because of rain.
I'll check sunrise in the morning.
Things are very strange.



Thank you, i have had the odd feeling of too much daylight here in the uk.

I wonder if it would be an idea for folks to post their latitudes ?

I have the feeling its a north south tilt rather than an east west acceleration.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1210521


I guess if someone wants to post them they will. Just give a city location and not the lat/long of your home. Mine is: 41-51-54N / 80-47-23W of course I have been noticing a change in light that I couldn't explain either.
My anthem to the shills of GLP:
We're never gonna, believe in, the stories, that you're weavin'
We're believin' in the proof, we're believin' in the truth
We're believin' in each other, not you, you, you
(Bang Bang Bang - Mark Ronson)
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ive been freezing my ass off here in alabama day after day. we've already had 3 snow events and 1 ice event thus far this winter season and wedged in between those events was the new years eve and new years day thunderstorms. some bizarre weather and a white christmas to boot.
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LOL i like your name, I tend to over analyse as well.

To be honest its a well known British pasttime to moan about the weather. We had some incredible snow and cold temperatures.

Now here is an admission. I am a prepper. I prepped for extremes that the uk rarely have.

The ODD weather gave me chance to try out my preps, help my neighbours AND to chastise those who thought I was a bit overzealous and who had in the past quite honestly laughed at me.


Perhaps the bad weather you have had could be an intro to tell your neighbours about the odd sunrises.
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Sunset today was supposed to be 5:10, it set at 5:33 23 minutes later. Same last Tuesday 23 minutes late setting.
Couldn't check Wed and Thursday because of rain.
I'll check sunrise in the morning.
Things are very strange.


Thank you for checking! Still mostly cloudy here so very difficult for me to check. This is interesting because there is no other explanation for the sun setting late....except for the ones given.
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You are most welcome. I just want to quote a scripture here for those who are interested.
Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Did you all hear about the freak waves?

One dead in multiple beach rescue
A man is dead and four people have been taken to hospital after dozens of swimmers were struck by giant waves and dragged out to sea in a ‘‘freak occurrence’’ on a NSW beach south of Sydney.

[link to www.smh.com.au]
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

“Things fall apart; the center cannot hold.” Yeats
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Re: !!ALERT!! Barrow Alaska - The sun rose for 12 minutes today! (WASN'T SUPPOSE TO RISE TILL JAN 24!!!) Follows Greenland and Norway!
ive been freezing my ass off here in alabama day after day. we've already had 3 snow events and 1 ice event thus far this winter season and wedged in between those events was the new years eve and new years day thunderstorms. some bizarre weather and a white christmas to boot.



LOL i like your name, I tend to over analyse as well.

To be honest its a well known British pasttime to moan about the weather. We had some incredible snow and cold temperatures.

Now here is an admission. I am a prepper. I prepped for extremes that the uk rarely have.

The ODD weather gave me chance to try out my preps, help my neighbours AND to chastise those who thought I was a bit overzealous and who had in the past quite honestly laughed at me.


Perhaps the bad weather you have had could be an intro to tell your neighbours about the odd sunrises.
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lol..i've discovered that i have some gear i need to acquire after this winter. as far as the neighbors go, i know they would look at me cross eyed and have no idea what i was talking about regarding the sunrises or anything else. they think im odd because i spend so much time looking at the sky, stars, and planets.
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Sunset today was supposed to be 5:10, it set at 5:33 23 minutes later. Same last Tuesday 23 minutes late setting.
Couldn't check Wed and Thursday because of rain.
I'll check sunrise in the morning.
Things are very strange.


Thank you for checking! Still mostly cloudy here so very difficult for me to check. This is interesting because there is no other explanation for the sun setting late....except for the ones given.


You are most welcome. I just want to quote a scripture here for those who are interested.
Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Did you all hear about the freak waves?

One dead in multiple beach rescue
A man is dead and four people have been taken to hospital after dozens of swimmers were struck by giant waves and dragged out to sea in a ‘‘freak occurrence’’ on a NSW beach south of Sydney.

[link to www.smh.com.au]
 Quoting: Earth Cries



Thank you Earth Cries. I would ask though that you remember "no one shall know the exact time" We are all surely getting all these signs and wonders.

Be prepared, practically and spiritually.
Thank you hf
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Thank you Earth Cries. I would ask though that you remember "no one shall know the exact time" We are all surely getting all these signs and wonders.

Be prepared, practically and spiritually.
Thank you hf


Exactly. No one knows the time except the Father. It also says that when you see these things happening, look up for your deliverance is near.
Mark 13:20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

“Things fall apart; the center cannot hold.” Yeats
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Re: !!ALERT!! Barrow Alaska - The sun rose for 12 minutes today! (WASN'T SUPPOSE TO RISE TILL JAN 24!!!) Follows Greenland and Norway!
Fellow Alaskan chiming in too.

I am in South Central also, the Valley, home to bizarre weather this winter.

OK, I will make a point about sunset/sunrise times. I had to argue this with a professional airline pilot who went on to become a commercial instructor....that the locations chosen to "observe" the rises/sunsets are arbitrary. That is, someone, way back when, was looking at a specific place and declared that vantage point to be the place official times were noted.

Living around mountains, its pretty easy to see that a person is going to have various sunrises, depending on where you are in relation to the visible (rising) sun. A person close to mountains would not see the sun as early as someone further away-and definitely behind someone with a higher elevation.

My logical mind wants the times to be coordinated to when the terminus crosses a specific spot, but that is not how its done. Then, you have to add in lengthy twilights on both ends too.

Now, I have the "normal" darkening in the afternoon, right on schedule. But I did notice that I could SEE the outline of Pioneer Peak at 7:45 in the morning, early this week. (Hey we had a clear sky!) This seems notable to me, but I have not been tracking this although I have worked at the same location for years.

OP, I think Jackie Purcell would be all over this, if it were true. Being able to see a twilight, is not the same as being able to actually see the sun....right?
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I have no link, but I was just listening to the local newscaster and he said that the sun rose for 12 minutes today over Barrow Alaska. It wasn't supposed to rise until January 24, 2011.

[link to www.sunrisesunset.com]


I am sure that there has to be one person else who can confirm this besides my local weather guy.




I believe what could be happening is that the actual position of the Earth in relationship to the Sun, meaning, the distance between the two, is slightly changing.

See, right now, the Earth is at Perihelion to the Sun. The Earth reached Perihelion, around January 3rd or 4th of 2011. This is the Earth's closest approach (in distance) to the Sun. Now, if there are extreme Northern Latitude countries that are seeing sunlight earlier-than-usual, this would tell me that the Earth is getting even closer, just a little bit, to the Sun, during the Perihelion Stage. Why? Something is very wrong with the orbit of the Earth around the Sun. Like a slingshot, as the Earth inches closer in distance to the Sun, than normal, the Earth is speeding up it's movement around the Sun, while at Perihelion, but also increasing it's angular momentum around the Sun, giving the 'sling shot effect' more power. In essence, at Aphelion, around July 3rd, 4th of 2011, the Earth will be at a greater distance from the Sun, and it will prove to be a COOLER-THAN-USUAL SUMMER!!! This is what I see happening.

What is causing the Sun to rise, earlier-than-usual in extreme Northern Latitude countries? Either the Earth and Sun are now closer together at Perihelion, in distance; The tilt angle of the Earth has changed to become lesser, smaller than 23.5 degrees, or there is occurring a drastic change in the upper atmosphere of the Earth to where it's becoming colder, alot colder, and it's developing a whole lot of ice crystals. These crystals could be reflecting sunlight back onto the Earth's surface, to make it APPEAR that sunlight is coming earlier-than-expected, when really, it's an upper atmosphere problem, that could be caused by the Earth going into a deep cold. This could be caused if the Earth is moving away from the Sun right now, at Perihelion, increasing the distance between the Sun and the Earth, because of some kind of angular momentum anamoly. It's true though, most Northern Hemispheric Countries are experiencing colder-than-usual temperatures during this winter of 2010-2011. Perhaps the NASA Guy, Mike, was right! If the Sun is losing mass, that means the Sun is also losing gravity, as mass and gravity are directly proportionate. If this be true, this is the scenario where the NASA Guy talks about increasingly deeper and longer winters, with shorter, much hotter summers. Either way, we're in deep trouble. Crops are going to fail and the weather is going to be whacked out. You know the rest of the story from here...

It'll be interesting to see what happens, and which of my above-stated scenarios is the case. Will have to wait and see.

Peace and Blessings.



hf
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That was by far the most insightful and well-crafted bit of techno-babble I've read on these boards. You, alone, have restored my faith in the GLP community. Come back and post often! Relieve us of the nauseating "Ask me a question" threads that we tediously sift through.

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Official sunrise time for this morning 7:14, actual sunrise time 7:05, 9 minutes early. Just an observation.
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relax.... the calendars aren't that precise...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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relax.... the calendars aren't that precise...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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This doesn't have anything to do with a leap year. I understand where you are coming from but that little bit of time that the leap year accounts for is not enough to change the sun coming up 4 days early.
My anthem to the shills of GLP:
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We're believin' in the proof, we're believin' in the truth
We're believin' in each other, not you, you, you
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FWIW...

I live in NC and can tell that the sun is setting later in the day than it "should".

I don't remember it ever being this bright out at 5:30 -6:00pm in the evenings this early in the year.

Others here have been noticing the same thing.
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FWIW...

I live in NC and can tell that the sun is setting later in the day than it "should".

I don't remember it ever being this bright out at 5:30 -6:00pm in the evenings this early in the year.

Others here have been noticing the same thing.
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Thank you very much for the observation.

Did anyone else check the sunrise this morning? Or sunset last night?
My anthem to the shills of GLP:
We're never gonna, believe in, the stories, that you're weavin'
We're believin' in the proof, we're believin' in the truth
We're believin' in each other, not you, you, you
(Bang Bang Bang - Mark Ronson)
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cern lhc did this !!!!!!!!!!!!! check out my threads..............
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Thank you Earth Cries. I would ask though that you remember "no one shall know the exact time" We are all surely getting all these signs and wonders.

Be prepared, practically and spiritually.
Thank you hf
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It doesn't say "exact time"....

Mat 25:13 "Watch therefore, for you know neither the DAY nor the HOUR in which the Son of Man is coming.

Doesn't say we won't know the SEASON! The earth has 24 time zones, making it different hours, and even days, at ANY single given moment in time. If Jesus returned in Jerusalem at 6:00 am Jerusalem time....what time/day would that be where you live....see my point?

Also, the Antichrist will have been "raising hell" here on earth for 3 1/2 years BEFORE Jesus returns to deal with him....look what the Antichrist has planned...

Dan 7:25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, Shall persecute the saints of the Most High, And shall intend to change TIMES and LAW. Then the saints shall be given into his hand For a time and times and half a time.
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Sunset today was supposed to be 5:10, it set at 5:33 23 minutes later. Same last Tuesday 23 minutes late setting.
Couldn't check Wed and Thursday because of rain.
I'll check sunrise in the morning.
Things are very strange.



Thank you, i have had the odd feeling of too much daylight here in the uk.

I wonder if it would be an idea for folks to post their latitudes ?

I have the feeling its a north south tilt rather than an east west acceleration.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1210521


I guess if someone wants to post them they will. Just give a city location and not the lat/long of your home. Mine is: 41-51-XXN / 80-47-XXW of course I have been noticing a change in light that I couldn't explain either.
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Be careful giving up LAT/LONG. It can easily advertise your home address. Always leave out the seconds, report only minutes and hours.
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From the Arctic Post:

'False sunrise' whets expectations for sun's reappearance in Barrow

No, the sun hasn't made an early appearance in the nation's northernmost community, though a glowing mirage and misleading Internet information may have given the impression that round-the-clock night has ended for now, a weather official said...

[link to www.thearcticsounder.com]

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If these things are actually happening, wondering "why"is a big waste of time and energy...PREPARE, FOLKS!

Get your spiritual/physical houses IN ORDER!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1219560


I agree with your sentiments.

If i can understand the "mechanics" that will help me to explain to people if/when things get dire.

I would like to add, I believe God is the great mechanic he creates wheels within wheels. I think during the end days our "intellect and reasoning" will alert us.

On the down side (lol) God will create 3 days of darkness. I wold love to know if there is a mechanical cause of this but Jst the same I am happy to understand...If he wills it, it will happen.

Signs and wonders ! I would just like to be one of those who try to understand the signs.
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"Intellect and reasoning"....not for me. Holy Spirit discernment, YES! Satan is the "author of confusion" and with the over-teched society we live in, very FEW people are willing to disconnect, seek a quiet spot, and be still! The "signs and LYING wonders" are not to be rationalized or explained, "flee to the mountains"!

Mat 13:15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull. Their ears are hard of hearing, And their eyes they have closed, Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn, So that I should heal them.'
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Sunset today was supposed to be 5:10, it set at 5:33 23 minutes later. Same last Tuesday 23 minutes late setting.
Couldn't check Wed and Thursday because of rain.
I'll check sunrise in the morning.
Things are very strange.



Thank you, i have had the odd feeling of too much daylight here in the uk.

I wonder if it would be an idea for folks to post their latitudes ?

I have the feeling its a north south tilt rather than an east west acceleration.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1210521


I guess if someone wants to post them they will. Just give a city location and not the lat/long of your home. Mine is: 41-51-XXN / 80-47-XXW of course I have been noticing a change in light that I couldn't explain either.
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Be careful giving up LAT/LONG. It can easily advertise your home address. Always leave out the seconds, report only minutes and hours.
 Quoting: ºCRAPº


The coordinates I gave show the center of my city...def not my house coordinates. But CRAP.... Thank you for looking out for me! hf
My anthem to the shills of GLP:
We're never gonna, believe in, the stories, that you're weavin'
We're believin' in the proof, we're believin' in the truth
We're believin' in each other, not you, you, you
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From the Arctic Post:

'False sunrise' whets expectations for sun's reappearance in Barrow

No, the sun hasn't made an early appearance in the nation's northernmost community, though a glowing mirage and misleading Internet information may have given the impression that round-the-clock night has ended for now, a weather official said...

[link to www.thearcticsounder.com]


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Well, thanks for confirming that it is still set to arrive at least 1 to 2 days earlier then it was scheduled too. Tomorrow at 1:05 PM.
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Re: !!ALERT!! Barrow Alaska - The sun rose for 12 minutes today! (WASN'T SUPPOSE TO RISE TILL JAN 24!!!) Follows Greenland and Norway!
Can any astronomer explain what would need to happen for this to be true ?

I THINK i am seeing some odd changes here in the UK but dont have any details to back it up so it may just be a glp suggestion effect.


Would it be the relative POSITIONS of the earth and sun that would need to change ?
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Relative positions the only answer? No.

Ok, here is a non-exhaustive subset of the possible explanations. Unfortunately, differing observational claims made within the thread do not lend to narrowing this list down much.

1) abnormal progression of our elliptical orbit around the sun (the 'perihelion thing')

2) a change in the oblate aspect of the spheroid nature of the earth. (slight deformation of the earths shape)

3) an increase in the apparent angular diameter of the sun. Various potential reasons for that but some get ... rather odd.

4) an increase in the Earths axis 'tilt' with respect to the ecliptic.

5) (doubtful as easiest to observe)- a change in earths rotation, or velocity of the earths orbit. (the 'days' thing)

6) a concave/convex oscillation in the entire solar system's ecliptic plane, (most likely, but not necessarily) centered on the sun. Could be caused by gravitational effects of a massive body entering, or passing through, the system at an oblique angle, OR less likely, passing by on a parallel plane. Consideration could also be given to our nearness to the galactic plane.

6a) a slow deformation of the planetary plane by factors such as in 6.

7) an external gravity wave rippling the above mentioned plane from afar. This would be a more like a linear transverse wave than the solar-centered oscillation mentioned in #6. (multiple possible variations of this theme, with effects from short term to nearly static)

8) somebody wrote, or is reading, the ephemeris wrong.

9) misinformation, which I fell for, and hence just ate 15 minutes of the rest of my life....
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Re: !!ALERT!! Barrow Alaska - The sun rose for 12 minutes today! (WASN'T SUPPOSE TO RISE TILL JAN 24!!!) Follows Greenland and Norway!
Anybody in the far south latitudes reporting a shorter day, or a later sunrise/earlier sunset than normal?
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Re: !!ALERT!! Barrow Alaska - The sun rose for 12 minutes today! (WASN'T SUPPOSE TO RISE TILL JAN 24!!!) Follows Greenland and Norway!
Anybody in the far south latitudes reporting a shorter day, or a later sunrise/earlier sunset than normal?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1167352


Thanks for asking....I am sure if us in the northern hemisphere is experiencing longer days of light, then the south hemisphere would be showing shorter days. I know there are a tons of Aussies on here...although I guess they are a little busy with the water to be looking up into the sky.
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