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Why do people hate Jesus so much?

 
Riker  (OP)

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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
haha :-)

Well I definitely believe that there is a Creator, and that "right" and "wrong" are the same no matter the race/culture/etc... not just in a religious sense but just as the Laws of the Universe that was created.

If you do things that work according to the Laws of the universe, things are well. If you break the Laws of the Universe, not so much.

The commonality of right and wrong across so many varied cultures (obviously not in all details but in general) makes me think that there is a common origin.

Anyway, the direct answer, is the common morality comes from the common Laws made by the common Creator.
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does morality exist outside the various religions?
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I would say it does. Even in the most primitive of cultures there is a morality/respect for others and nature.
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one mans morality is another mans sin especially in primitive cultures, consider New Guinea ...
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Please, tell me more!
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Riker, I have to admire how patient and completely graceful you have been in the face of some pretty rough posts. I'm sure it has been tough. God Bless you.
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hf thank you very much friend! Peace. :-)
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
no need to reply to my post

i did not expect it..


life is life


we all evolve in our own time..


if people hate the spirit of the Lord, Jesus or anything then


one must examine the hate in their heart..
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I just did; hadn't gotten to you yet :-)
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hf
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no cat and mouse with Sandi_T


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does morality exist outside the various religions?
 Quoting: Z-djinn


I would say it does. Even in the most primitive of cultures there is a morality/respect for others and nature.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


one mans morality is another mans sin especially in primitive cultures, consider New Guinea ...
 Quoting: Z-djinn


Please, tell me more!
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Riker, I will not go into cannibal lore simply to satisfy your voyeurism ...

lmao
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Riker, I will not go into cannibal lore simply to satisfy your voyeurism ...

lmao
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You don't need to go into cannibal lore with christians, they practice it symbolically!

What do you think communion is??

"Eat my body and drink my blood" to remember me... what do you call that?
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
...Perhaps they also identify/associate Jesus with the brimstone and fire preachers and can't separate Jesus from the distorted teachings of the Council of Nicea/Emperor Constantine.

For those that say that God/Jesus doesn't answer prayers, he does truly, just not in the way you readily recognize. I know, I know...cliche, trite, etc. I have had many low points in my life, I sobbed for God; there was a gentle, warm peace that embraced me. It didn't make the low point go away, but it did give me my own inner determination not to let this point get me down. That is the God I believe in, the God that speaks to each of us; we just have to be willing to recognize it when it happens.

hf
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


That's not jesus, that's God. There's a difference.

jesus does nothing.

If my child yells for help and calls me daddy, I help her anyway when she really needs it. I don't quibble about the name she called me.

Nor do I suddenly sprout a penis and scrotum because I was called "daddy."

God answered your prayer IN SPITE of what you called It. Not BECAUSE of what you called It.

Jesus doesn't exist, and probably never did in any form. If any man existed that was anything like the one in the bible, he was horribly hijacked and brutally misused.

This is the whole problem. People cry out to God and God answers... but they put names on God and God still answers. So they think that the NAME was what answered... not GOD.

The name "jesus" holds no power. Human faith holds all the power, and God answers according to the TRUTH of GOD... no matter the expectations and lies that have been shoved onto It.

That's the problem, though.

God always answered your prayer, but in the appropriate and real way that God does so. Not according to the LIES of the bLibel.

The LIES of the bLibel actually push people away from GOD by creating unrealistic and unreasonable expectations of God.

When of course, they fail to materialize... people become disillusioned with GOD, when it's just JESUS that doesn't exist, NOT GOD!!

The failure is in the lies.

If we could know the TRUTH about GOD and what to expect, and not the lies the bLibel tells about GOD, we would find more people would have and sustain belief in GOD.

But the bLibel, by lying, destroy faith, and/or misplace it.

Which is terrible. Evil, even.
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hiyadude hugs Hi Sandi. Guess I still have some vestiges remaining from the Catholicism I was raised with. sie grin

Did Jesus exist? Was he truly the son of God or just a collection of other myths put together for the new government sponsored religion? I don't know for sure. Jesus' messsage of love, compassion and forgiveness resonate with me (they also closely resemble a lot of Hindu teachings). Most of the parables I believe were by some radical during that time that had a following and maybe they were enhanced when good ole Constantine got a hold of them.

But, yes, the bible if taken literally word for word is a very violent book that does not portray God in a positive light. When reviewed as a collection of stories of cultural conquest of a nomadic desert tribe and how they, in their culture perceived what was God, the bible is a bit more tolerable.

I am with you about God cannot be contained in any one man-made religion; God is within all of us. If people could truly put aside their dogmatic beliefs and just sit back and marvel at how perfect nature is, they would see God is everywhere, not contained to a book.

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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Riker, I will not go into cannibal lore simply to satisfy your voyeurism ...

lmao
 Quoting: Z-djinn


You don't need to go into cannibal lore with christians, they practice it symbolically!

What do you think communion is??

"Eat my body and drink my blood" to remember me... what do you call that?
 Quoting: Sandi_T


spiritual cannibalism...?
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no cat and mouse with Sandi_T


5a
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OK, just have to...you said cat and mouse.


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no cat and mouse with Sandi_T


5a
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OK, just have to...you said cat and mouse.


:seesawmouse:
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chorus
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Riker, I will not go into cannibal lore simply to satisfy your voyeurism ...

lmao
 Quoting: Z-djinn


You don't need to go into cannibal lore with christians, they practice it symbolically!

What do you think communion is??

"Eat my body and drink my blood" to remember me... what do you call that?
 Quoting: Sandi_T


spiritual cannibalism...?
 Quoting: Z-djinn


Yeah, cause that somehow makes it less disgusting...

Necromancy, sorcery, cannibalism, worshiping a corpse on a torture device...

all a-okay when THEY do it, but horrifying when any other religion does! Oh noes!
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Because He said they would, and He is always right hf
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
But, yes, the bible if taken literally word for word is a very violent book that does not portray God in a positive light.
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Sadly, all too many people take it either literally, or nearly so.

And as a result, it is responsible for a multitude of true horrors throughout history.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Riker, I will not go into cannibal lore simply to satisfy your voyeurism ...

lmao
 Quoting: Z-djinn


You don't need to go into cannibal lore with christians, they practice it symbolically!

What do you think communion is??

"Eat my body and drink my blood" to remember me... what do you call that?
 Quoting: Sandi_T


spiritual cannibalism...?
 Quoting: Z-djinn


Yeah, cause that somehow makes it less disgusting...

Necromancy, sorcery, cannibalism, worshiping a corpse on a torture device...

all a-okay when THEY do it, but horrifying when any other religion does! Oh noes!
 Quoting: Sandi_T


There is something gone wrong when adherents of any religion that think they have to torture themselves in various ways to please God or be spiritual.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
It is not Jesus (we know next to nothing about him - if he ever existed at all) it is the people using his name and man-made "image" trying to shove their dogmas and other BS down our throat.
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these people are trying to save your soul from Satan
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My soul is mine...I take good care of it:-)
Satan is the product of your sick imagination. I don't blame you though, if I was brainwashed from early childhood, as many of you Christers, I might have grown to be just like you guys.

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Serious question. I find it curious.
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I dont think its that people hate him.. People hate the bible pushers.. the people that are always throwing him in our faces.. Bible thumpers give religion a very bad name.
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applause
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Personally I think your retarded !

If you had a friend (hypothetically) a they were about to walk into a building that you knew was about to explode !

Wouldn't you at least if not frantically try to stop them from entering ?

Actually I was going to say before I saw your post...

Oh here we go again, everybody with their little reasoning/opinions.. I see them as little specs of dust soon to be blown away !


But Yeshua THE GREAT I AM will still remain.

Hallelujah
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How can one hate that which does not exist?
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+1.
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My soul is mine...I take good care of it:-)
Satan is the product of your sick imagination. I don't blame you though, if I was brainwashed from early childhood, as many of you Christers, I might have grown to be just like you guys.

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lol, nice big bowl of irony.
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Serious question. I find it curious.
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I dont think its that people hate him.. People hate the bible pushers.. the people that are always throwing him in our faces.. Bible thumpers give religion a very bad name.
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applause
 Quoting: Profit 6


Personally I think your retarded !

If you had a friend (hypothetically) a they were about to walk into a building that you knew was about to explode !

Wouldn't you at least if not frantically try to stop them from entering ?

Actually I was going to say before I saw your post...

Oh here we go again, everybody with their little reasoning/opinions.. I see them as little specs of dust soon to be blown away !


But Yeshua THE GREAT I AM will still remain.

Hallelujah
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excuse me, do you honestly think people should not have an opinion?
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But, yes, the bible if taken literally word for word is a very violent book that does not portray God in a positive light.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


Sadly, all too many people take it either literally, or nearly so.

And as a result, it is responsible for a multitude of true horrors throughout history.
 Quoting: Sandi_T

You got that pegged.
Strange,..... the things people will believe.
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Serious question. I find it curious.
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Its really us that they hate.
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But, yes, the bible if taken literally word for word is a very violent book that does not portray God in a positive light.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


Sadly, all too many people take it either literally, or nearly so.

And as a result, it is responsible for a multitude of true horrors throughout history.
 Quoting: Sandi_T

You got that pegged.
Strange,..... the things people will believe.
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Belief brings consolation, but consolation is not necessarily the experience of truth...
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But, yes, the bible if taken literally word for word is a very violent book that does not portray God in a positive light.
 Quoting: Smilin' Irish Eyes


Sadly, all too many people take it either literally, or nearly so.

And as a result, it is responsible for a multitude of true horrors throughout history.
 Quoting: Sandi_T

You got that pegged.
Strange,..... the things people will believe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255235


Belief brings consolation, but consolation is not necessarily the experience of truth...
 Quoting: Z-djinn

Very true, it is a simulation of truth for most based upon here-say.
But they fail to see that as they have not the eyes for it.
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Sadly, all too many people take it either literally, or nearly so.

And as a result, it is responsible for a multitude of true horrors throughout history.
 Quoting: Sandi_T

You got that pegged.
Strange,..... the things people will believe.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255235


Belief brings consolation, but consolation is not necessarily the experience of truth...
 Quoting: Z-djinn

Very true, it is a simulation of truth for most based upon here-say.
But they fail to see that as they have not the eyes for it.
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for many simulation of truth is enough, however, it is shallow, it is...superficial
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You got that pegged.
Strange,..... the things people will believe.
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Belief brings consolation, but consolation is not necessarily the experience of truth...
 Quoting: Z-djinn

Very true, it is a simulation of truth for most based upon here-say.
But they fail to see that as they have not the eyes for it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1255235


for many simulation of truth is enough, however, it is shallow, it is...superficial
 Quoting: Z-djinn

Sad....isn't it.
swimming in the shallow waters
comfortable and safe...so it seems.
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Re: Why do people hate Jesus so much?
Not many people hate Jesus. They hate Jesus freaks.

There is no problem with some religion here and there, but people who start religious threads once a day, several times a day.

You know who you are, are making a bad name for Jesus.

So, tell, me who really hates Jesus? People who are annoyed by Jesus freaks, or are the people who are giving Jesus a bad name by being preoccupied with Jesus and religion who are hating Jesus by turning people away from spirituality by thinking that if they become Christians that they too must also become preoccupied with religion in order to be a faithful member.

Faith and preoccupation with Jesus and religion are not the same thing. They are opposed to each other, faith and preoccupation with Jesus.

Actually a lack of faith and a lack of strong spirituality and growth lead to a preoccupation with Jesus. It's almost like these preoccupied types are trying to convince themselves they have faith.
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Why don't you like Christians? Sincere question and I've had my own reasons.... but please if you don't mind give me an actual example, not just the easy bible thumper line! It would help me out.

Also, some people believe that they actually HAVE met him. People who met him when he lived hated him or loved him.

And even those who don't believe he ever existed say awful things directed specifically about him, not just his followers, you know?
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I don't dislike christians across the board - I can bear them in small doses on a case-by-case basis. Part of the problem is people's personality types: If all christians would take a Myers Briggs survey, I'd bet the farm that our churches are full of only a couple different varieties of personalities. These are the shiny extroverts who don't seem to understand people or experiences outside their little realm. They make sure you know they're christian, and they're practically wrapped in the trappings of the subculture. It's like they go around acting a certain way, which kind of makes you (meaning me) wonder if any of Him is really taking root in there.

Actual people with actual souls don't seem to care for any of this, so it's not all that far-fetched for them to conclude that Jesus must be what's "wrong" with these folks. I doubt that anyone who "hates" Jesus has ever really met Him, because He's exactly what each of us need.

Most humans are not wanton evildoers. Yes, we're all defective and in need of redemption, but the line that "People hate Jesus cuz they love their sin" is just another symptom of folks who need to get out more. Jesus is like water for a thirsty soul, but clones keep trying to flavor it with all kinds of crap.
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My philosophy is, it scares the demons that live in them, and believe.
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I know, right? *Always* assume people have demons =D

sigh
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do you believe in aliens?
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Never met 'em, but it sounds like they're here. Some or all of them may turn out to be fallen angels, but I decided we'll see when/if the time ever comes. Legitimate angels could just as easily be "aliens" as fallen ones, in my book.

The comment about people having demons is just more noise from church-bots who can't conceive of anyone not liking church-bots. Why do christians so readily and eagerly assume the worst?
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Honestly didn't mean to abandon it. Just having my birthday dinner. :-)
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Happy Burfday :)
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Serious question. I find it curious.
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I dont think its that people hate him.. People hate the bible pushers.. the people that are always throwing him in our faces.. Bible thumpers give religion a very bad name.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1153822

This is part of it, I believe another part is the "christians" who claim to be so but act another way.





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