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Peter Joseph Responds to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]

 
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Peter Joseph Responds to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]
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Peter Joseph's Response to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]


Zeitgeist: Moving Forward - A Reply to Peter Joseph


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Stefan Molyneux of FreeDomain radio interview!
Date / Length: 2/7/2011 2:00 PM

Description: By popular demand Stefan Molyneux of FreeDoman radio is coming to V-RADIO to discuss his concerns with The Venus Project, and The Zeitgeist Movement. This will be a civil dialog, not an argument.

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Re: Peter Joseph Responds to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]
peter joseph lost me
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Re: Peter Joseph Responds to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]
I'm not an atheist like Stephan, but he's exactly right on his critique of the "Zeitgeist Communism" that Peter is pushing for
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Re: Peter Joseph Responds to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]
A system with money, will always end up with a small amount people who have everything, and a large mount of people who have nothing. Breeding revolution, even our forefathers understood this. We are way more capitalistic, Darwinian. The corruption can reach and effect many more people today with less effort. Darwinian principles are based on adaptation, our capitalist system was almost killed buy high oil prices, which we couldn't adapt to, this is what makes the RBE compelling. If it would allow for faster adaptation because there is little in the way such as self preservation, I think its a great feature and should be looked at more closely.
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Oh and central Planning of Resources, the main resource Money is centrally planned. We the people cant create more money into existence, no matter how hard I work, no matter how much grain I grow, Money is the limiting factor, which is centrally planned. I will only eventually get less money for my effort. how is this different? We are seeing this in the commodity markets, every time more money floods the markets, commodities are the first items hit by inflation, this is the trickle down economy.
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Oh and central Planning of Resources, the main resource Money is centrally planned. We the people cant create more money into existence, no matter how hard I work, no matter how much grain I grow, Money is the limiting factor, which is centrally planned. I will only eventually get less money for my effort. how is this different? We are seeing this in the commodity markets, every time more money floods the markets, commodities are the first items hit by inflation, this is the trickle down economy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1023605


the reason why the dollar is worth 90% less than it used to is thanks to central planning....

central planning will always lead to poverty and enslavement

we haven't had true capitalism for a hundred years

money will always exist

freedom is good
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money will always exist

freedom is good
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It isn't true that money is freedom or that money will always exist, but these concepts can't be changed by a resource-based economy either. A reason-based economy is something very different.

Thirty years ago I authored a top 4th generation mini-computer language. I licensed it from my home to distributors for them to tailor my totally integrated manufacturing and distribution systems into many local and international vertical markets in Australasia and North America. Unfortunately technological bottlenecks saw its demise in the early nineties.

However, an offshoot of my main preoccupation during all this time was my present hobby, an open source Artificial Intelligence program. It is totally at odds with my earlier commercial work, but with it I can envisage a global people's voice to span every conceivable idea encompassed by science and the laws of nature and economics. My main ambition, which oddly enough includes a vow of poverty, is to use it for mind-uploading when I have enough computing power.

Now, I know that's a very bold claim, but in watching my presentation or talking to me for just under an hour, I guarantee to show how global democratic problems can be presented, in such a way that there can be a world-wide unified people's voice that their governments will want to consult.

I don't sit down and write books or a paper for peer-review, because I do not need patents or want to get distracted from my day to day programming of this system, and I am currently scheduling a 5 year rewrite. It has everything that one would need to drum up a brain-like analogy to replace the electrical engineering model of finance capitalism.

Consequently, because it is a one-size-fits-all replacement for money, it isn't wanted by the present holders of power and, judging from past experience, I don't even want to include them in my circle. Nor do I trust the current crop of Internet gatekeepers to ever progress their systems to suit my level of understanding of what could be.

On the other hand, something like the Egyptian crisis presents an opportunity to coalesce ideas which I know can be fully implemented using a program like mine. I can present its current prototype in working form, distilled from the best minds in the field, only because I use it daily as my main entertainment and learning studio. I ensure its ongoing development this way without needing outside users to join my network.
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Re: Peter Joseph Responds to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]
money will always exist

freedom is good
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1257696

It isn't true that money is freedom or that money will always exist, but these concepts can't be changed by a resource-based economy either. A reason-based economy is something very different.

Thirty years ago I authored a top 4th generation mini-computer language. I licensed it from my home to distributors for them to tailor my totally integrated manufacturing and distribution systems into many local and international vertical markets in Australasia and North America. Unfortunately technological bottlenecks saw its demise in the early nineties.

However, an offshoot of my main preoccupation during all this time was my present hobby, an open source Artificial Intelligence program. It is totally at odds with my earlier commercial work, but with it I can envisage a global people's voice to span every conceivable idea encompassed by science and the laws of nature and economics. My main ambition, which oddly enough includes a vow of poverty, is to use it for mind-uploading when I have enough computing power.

Now, I know that's a very bold claim, but in watching my presentation or talking to me for just under an hour, I guarantee to show how global democratic problems can be presented, in such a way that there can be a world-wide unified people's voice that their governments will want to consult.

I don't sit down and write books or a paper for peer-review, because I do not need patents or want to get distracted from my day to day programming of this system, and I am currently scheduling a 5 year rewrite. It has everything that one would need to drum up a brain-like analogy to replace the electrical engineering model of finance capitalism.

Consequently, because it is a one-size-fits-all replacement for money, it isn't wanted by the present holders of power and, judging from past experience, I don't even want to include them in my circle. Nor do I trust the current crop of Internet gatekeepers to ever progress their systems to suit my level of understanding of what could be.

On the other hand, something like the Egyptian crisis presents an opportunity to coalesce ideas which I know can be fully implemented using a program like mine. I can present its current prototype in working form, distilled from the best minds in the field, only because I use it daily as my main entertainment and learning studio. I ensure its ongoing development this way without needing outside users to join my network.
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It ain't ready until it writes it's own first AI program... and so on to the 7th generation of self written programing.

Build it, and they will come!!

gotpot
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Re: Peter Joseph Responds to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]
Stefan Molyneux stated that Peter Joseph conflates voluntary, free exchange with the current fiat (i.e. coercive legal tender) system of exchange. Peter Joseph's first rebuttal point is that Molyneux's point is irrelevant because ... and then Joseph immediately conflates volitional exchange with the current coercive system of exchange, effectively *proving* Stefan was correct.
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Re: Peter Joseph Responds to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]
Stefan Molyneux stated that Peter Joseph conflates voluntary, free exchange with the current fiat (i.e. coercive legal tender) system of exchange. Peter Joseph's first rebuttal point is that Molyneux's point is irrelevant because ... and then Joseph immediately conflates volitional exchange with the current coercive system of exchange, effectively *proving* Stefan was correct.
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The problem with Stephan's rebuttals is that he is blaming central planning for failures when in fact it was corrupt leaders with ulterior motives that caused the failures. Central planning absolutely can work if the corruption is eliminated or simply not allowed. In an RBE, decisions will not be made by computers, but computers will calculate the most efficient solution and people will ultimately choose the most efficient solution. Leaders in the past never consulted computers or science to guide their decisions. They used their own greed and profit motive to guide their decisions. That's why they failed. Don't blame central planning or RBE.
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Re: Peter Joseph Responds to Stefan Molyneux [Zeitgeist: Moving Forward]
Stefan Molyneux has created and uploaded a new video to youtube.

The Handbook of Human Ownership - A Manual for New Tax Farmers

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One hour, thirty three minutes, 363 megabytes to download.

Uploaded June 12, 2011





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