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Blaspheming the Holy Spirit

Isn’t it interesting that all the “divine healing” ministries feel so led to go to Africa (and other under-developed countries) to do much of their work? I wonder why Smith Wigglesworth prophesied that in the “end-times” born-again Christians in the United States would not be able to receive “divine healings” (ref. Curry Blake “Divine Healing Technician” course). Isn’t it interesting to realize that the more “educated” we are, the harder it is to accept the supernatural? And nowadays you see endless You Tube video after video showing divine healing services, and people going “out in the spirit” mixed with clips of strange behaviors intending to impeach any manifestation of the Holy Spirit as “of the Devil“. This stuff has been going since Acts 2 and started again in full force at the Azuza Street Revival throughout the Pentecostal Holy Spirit filled movement since the early 1900s.

But today, you see the You Tube folks mixing video clips of legitimate Holy Spirit movement at divine healing services with questionable material of people freaking out in what appears to be a Kundalini like manifestation. The quenching and impeachment of the POWER of the Holy Spirit is at an all time high. I recommend we stay “out of the way of God” and realize that Acts makes it “infinitely clear” there will be an outpouring of the Holy Spirit in the end times that might arguably be like nothing we have ever seen before.

If you are uncomfortable with what you are seeing or hearing about, be careful, because IF these are legitimate outpourings, ANYTHING you say in judgement of them, could be considered BLASPHEMY against the Holy Spirit. This is an UNFORGIVABLE sin. And don’t get me going on all the churches out there that believe the POWER of the Holy Spirit ended with the apostles. That sounds like blasphemy to me too.

Be vigilant, careful, believe, pray and be humble.

I got “body slammed” by the Baptism of the Holy Spirit at the age of 9, in a little converted hardware store in Rutherford, Pennsylvania, called Grace Chapel. It was “non-denominational” and the pastor and his wife were converted Mennonites. Imagine that! I saw more people “go out in the spirit” in that church than I’ve seen in any other church in my entire life.

On the podium, was a little sign that said …
Expect a Miracle!

You can read more about that experience in this article entitled”

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit here:
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Expecting A Miracle

Maybe we should anticipate God to do wondrous things during these times as well. Sure we are basically okay with UFOs coming down in full disclosure. And many of us still think the “two witnesses” are a couple of ancient Hebrew prophets that stand on a street corner in Tel Aviv and shoot fire out of the mouths for 1260 days (Hmmm). It’s funny when you read about the “two witnesses” how the “evil one” wages war against them. Boy, I would love to be watching CNN and see the guns shooting 20mm depleted uranium shells at those guys and their “force field” just staving off the enemy for 3 and a half years. That would be quite the show don’t you think?

Maybe the two witnesses are the Olive Tree and the Grafted on “Gentiles”. Maybe the war that is waged against the two witnesses is the persecution of the Christians (and the Jews) Jesus spoke about in Matt. 24, Luke 21 and Mark 13? Hmmm. Or maybe it is just a couple of super-hero Hebrews, with long beards shooting fire out of their mouths. Sure hope they have some ice water near by.

Or could it be that we, once again, are failing to “Expect a Miracle”? Is it possible our belief and faith in God’s supernatural ability to prove himself STRONG is at an “all time low”? How disheartening it must be for our Heavenly Father to see how “earthly” our belief has become. Instead of knowing God will send Legions of Angels to our defense, we instead are thinking about “hiding in bunkers” and “eating beany-weenies out of cans” to survive. If God says he will shake the earth and flush them out of their hiding places in caves, then I wonder how well our “bunker” will withstand the forthcoming judgement.

I for one shall stand, hands raised in the air in praise, believing that God will take me out of here when He is good and ready. If I take a bullet for Jesus, or have a comet fall on my head, I’m ready to go when God sees fit. For those that wish to survive the earth’s judgment, I pray you are “found worthy to escape these things and stand before the Son of Man”.

And never forget, if you are found worthy to “escape these things”, maybe you will get grabbed by one of the Angels that come with Jesus to fetch us out during the rescue mission?

Matt 24:29-31

30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

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Supernatural “Possibilities” of Matthew 24:29-31

First let me say that I do not subscribe to any particular belief. I remain utterly humbled by all these new revelations. But it is my reasonable duty to the Kingdom of Heaven, to present the possibilities to those who are equally humbled by some of these new discoveries.

JUST REMEMBER, Jesus sends “His angels” to gather “His elect”. So if your are “found worthy” to escape these things, you DO NOT have a requirement to subscribe to the advanced notions I am going to present to you “in good faith”.

Possible Terms and Definitions:

The Sign

Some believe that “the sign” of the Son of Man, may be the appearance of what looks like the “Star of Bethlehem” in the sky, visible to all the world. Many believe that this “sign” might be the approach of “Planet X” or Nibiru. No one is suggesting that Jesus is hanging out on Planet X. But many are embracing the “possibility” that THIS might be “the sign”. Why do we “look up” because our redemption draweth “nigh”?

Luke 21:27-28

27 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near.”

NKJV

Clouds of Heaven

In Chuck Missler’s video lecture series, done at Roswell, New Mexico, (here: [link to www.khouse.org] he gives a “Christian perspective” of the alien abduction phenomenon. I highly recommend it.

Now I do not personally subscribe to the notion that all of these “beings” are “inter-dimensional” as Chuck believes. I emphatically believe there is a “darn good reason” why the Pyramid of Giza, in the Kings Chamber has “two portals”. One points precisely to the “Orion” star system (what a coincidence, huh?) and the other points to the “Dracos” star system (YOUCH!). Dracos, dracula, dragon, …. makes you think doesn’t it?

Why do you suppose the “ancients” seemed to be “watching” these star systems? Do you suppose they were looking for an “inter-dimensional” being to appear in the sky? Or is it more likely they had sophisticated optics designed to watch for the approach of “inter-galactic” space buggies? I don’t know. Seems highly suspicious if you ask me.

In the Missler lecture, he hypothesizes that these “beings” NEED some type of technological “protection” as they move through the “dimensions”. Wow. Really? Well it makes sense to me that any “HOST” (see “Lord of Hosts, ref. “The Bible”), would need protection from the elements of “outer space”. So Missler is just fine with the theory that these “fallen-angel-demons” need “technological transport devices” to “materialize” in our dimension. Okay.

Why did the ANGELS that went to Sodom have to be protected from the onslaught of the evil-doers when they came to do “abominations” upon them? Why did Lot offer up his daughters to protect them? Why in the WORLD didn’t those “angels” just “materialize” into another dimension and escape those “things”? Praise God they had the power to inflict blindness. Could they have been trapped in the flesh? Evidently they sure looked good to the men that were banging on the door. Why does Hebrews warn us to be careful about entertaining angels? Wouldn’t you KNOW it was an angel sitting at your table? Well the scripture certainly suggests that’s NOT the case. Hmmm.

Never mind the endless books out there by non-christian and Christian authors alike that strongly suggest the “clouds of heaven” are actually “metaphors” or “ancient explanations” for “technological transport devices”.

YOU DON’T SUPPOSE …..

Naaaaaahh ….. couldn’t be.
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Gathered Up Elect

But alas, I take so much peace in knowing that I don’t have to worry about all this wacky speculation. That’s because when Jesus comes on His rescue mission, he will SEND his Angels to come and get us wherever we are. That is providing you are “counted worthy to escape these things”.

Please remember to “pray always that you are counted worthy” and give this your best effort. You don’t want to be here for “these things”.

Dan 12:1-3

And at that time shall Michael (the archangel) stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (a Great Tribulation), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

KJV

It’s fascinating to me how the Bible regularly refers to “angels” as “stars” metaphorically. Hmmm. But surely that’s not what this could mean, could it? Gosh I really don’t know. Makes you think though doesn’t it?


How Bad Was It and How Bad Might it Get?

Considering the average church cannot fully grasp the “angel theory” of Genesis 6, it doesn’t surprise me a bit when people struggle with Centaurs, and hybrid animals roaming the earth prior to Noah’s flood. Never mind the ENDLESS supporting “myth”ology that documents these astonishing revelations. I’m sure its all a bunch of “poppycock” and “hooey”. There’s simply no way that stuff could have ever existed here on earth. Right? WRONG.

The Bible is a “road-map” to salvation. It has a specific purpose in mind. It is not a 100% complete documentation of all things historical. You have to become “wise as serpents”. Why does Acts point out that ….

Acts 7:22

22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.

KJV

Ok. Now wait a minute here. What’s THAT supposed to mean? The Egyptians practiced magick and believed in “gods” from other planets and all that non-sense. Surely you don’t suppose Moses himself knew about the portals in the King’s Chamber watching the star systems of Dracos and Orion. Naaah. I’m sure the word “all” was a euphemism. Yeah. Moses surely didn’t know anything about Thoth and those other hybrid animal human looking abominations. (scratching my head)

Here below is a short article written by Thomas Horn. Let’s hear his speculation on this matter of “hybrid animals” and other such abominations, shall we?

Did Ancient Biotechnology Create Nephilim?

By Thomas R. Horn

May 23, 2007
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“The benei Elohim saw the daughters of Adam, that they were fit extensions” (Gen 6:2, Interlinear Hebrew Bible).

In the study of the Old Testament Book of Genesis, beings of great stature called “giants” appear, which some scholars believe came into existence after powerful angels known as ‘Watchers’ descended to earth and used women (or their biological matter) to construct bodies of flesh, which they used to “extend” themselves into the material world.


The Apocryphal books of Enoch, 2 Esdras, Genesis Aprocryphon and Jasher support the Genesis story, adding that the sin of the angels grew to include genetic modification of animals as well as humans. The Book of Jasher, mentioned in the Bible in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18, explains that after the fallen angels went into the daughters of men, “the sons of men taught the mixture of animals of one species with the other, in order to provoke the Lord”(4:18). This clear reference to the Genesis 6 record illustrates that “animals” were included in whatever cross-species experiments were being conducted, and that this activity resulted in judgment from God. The Book of Enoch also supports this record, saying that after the fallen angels merged their DNA with women, they “began to sin against birds, and beasts, and reptiles, and fish” (7:5,6). The Old Testament contains associated reference to genetic mutations, which developed among humans following this activity, including unusual size, physical strength, six fingers, six toes, animal appetite for blood and even lion-like features among men (2 Sam 21:20; 23:20).

Now I personally do not think that Nephilim resulted from DNA manipulation. It is my emphatic belief that the Sons of God (watchers, angels, not fallen until they committed the sin) knew in advance that the women were “fit extensions” and they actually “came in unto” the daughters of men. Please don’t send me verses about angels not procreating, I get all that, but you have to understand there are different states of spirituality in the Heavens and arguably when a ”dispatched” angel takes on a “host” body to do things on behalf of the Godhead, they likely take on a human form. I remind you of the attempted assault on the angels in Sodom again.

Gen 6:4

when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them,

KJV

And don’t forget the “Triple Helix” DNA issue that has surfaced so abundantly through our advanced learning of late. Why do you think GOD put “enmity” between the seed of the serpent and the woman in the Garden? Could it be that God “changed” the DNA of Adam and Eve to a “double-helix” variety that was no longer compatible with breeding with the “seed of the serpent”? Maybe this is why, when the Sons of God, had “sex” with the women of their choosing they bore “mutations” instead of regular humans.
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A Synopsis of Advanced Thinking

Okay well that’s where this “understanding” becomes super hard to grasp. The books out there have this information in it. There are a lot of them and they match with the stories from “mythology” that are (in my opinion) not myth.

The “belief” amongst EXTREMELY advanced christian thinkers and “oracles / seers” that I have been led too, and a VAST (did I mention vast?) number of writings and books that have been written by a myriad of different people over thousands of years, is that “In the Beginning” there were multiple civilizations that existed even during the time of the Garden.

The Genesis account as we know it, is HUGELY metaphorical, just like much of the rest of the Bible is. AND there are new interpretations of Gen One coming out from scholars that are discovering that much may have been intentionally or accidentally misinterpreted even in the original Masoretic Texts, (some of the oldest Hebrew interpretations of the Pentateuch – the first 5 books of the Bible).

There are even new interpretations of the ancient Hebrew emerging that paint a highly interesting picture of likely interpretations that are very “cosmic” in content. See [link to www.thechronicleproject.org]

This means, that millions of years ago (remember that anthropologists know as a fact that the earth is millions of years old), there were multiple bloodlines or genetic “rivers” that existed on earth. (Gen 2:11-15). Just like God uses the term “Beast” to represent a Government, he also can use “Seas and Rivers” to represent “people” or “bloodlines”. So when God says that a terrible “Beast” rises from the “Sea” he really means that a Government rises from the peoples of the world. Arguably similar metaphors were used to represent at least 4 different bloodlines (or even species) of beings that were on the earth during the time of Genesis and the Garden of Eden.

The Tree of Good and Evil is a metaphor for “not crossing the line”. Remember that Adam and Eve were not to eat from it because they could become “as gods”. SOOOOO, since it is “likely” that the fallen ”creator elohim Sons of God” of Genesis One (of creational powers fame) were here in the Garden even AFTER the Luciferian fall (rebellion). The belief is, that God was warning them to “keep way” from the demon seed, that was present and walking the earth outside of the immediate Garden where Adam was created by YHWH God.

So “metaphorically speaking” Eve became the mother of Cain but not from Adam’s seed. This is the “fruit” that was to be avoided.

1 John 3:11-12

For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother

NKJV

Also see:

Gen 3:22

Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil.

NKJV

Is it possible that when the “seed of the serpent” (fallen creator elohim) mixed with the seed of the woman, that God wasn’t happy about it? Why would Lord God (YHWH Elohim) be so unhappy about this issue of adding “insult to injury” with this “mixing of seed”? Could this one of the reasons he had no choice but to place “enmity” between the two different “seeds”?
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God was Utterly Disgusted

And to really see the big picture, please try to ask yourself this question. Why was God so UTTERLY DISGUSTED with the earth during Noah’s time? He was ready to DESTROY the entire earth and ALL it’s inhabitants. This was not just a problem with SIN. No way! There were centaurs, and hybridized animals, and pegasus’ (winged horses) and all kinds of “abominations” on earth back then. Noah was chosen because he was “genetically pure” and a good God fearing man. The situation was so horrible, and there were so many “Alien Demon Mutations” (because of Lucifer’s interference), that God had to wipe out everything and start again with Noah. This means that God almost certainly wiped out many hundreds, even thousands, of “life forms”.

That is why Genesis 6 also says “there were giants in those days”. The word “Nephilim” is not really “giant” it actually means “from the Heavens they came” or something like that. And Gen 6 ALSO says, “and “they” came back after the flood. That’s because these dang alien demon things came back down (in UFO’s – fallen angel demons), and started to do the same thing as they did prior to the flood. Have sex with the Adamic bloodline, and then again through all the existing bloodlines. This is precisely why God was FURIOUS with people like Esau who went “out of bounds” and had “relations” with the “demon seed” of the other bloodlines.

That is the best I can do thus far, with the very small amount of research I’ve been able to do on this.

How Does God’s Knowledge Spread?

But you have to understand this as best as you can. This information may have been given by God to only a few people, just like other prophecies were given by God to Jeremiah as a prophet to spread around, just like the apostles were given the news of Christ to spread around. And the information is backed by many writings that we have not been able to get our hands on until just recently. Maybe this is all true, maybe it is partially true, or mabye it’s only “hypothesis”.

It really only matters if you intend to fight the lies that are forthcoming from these “arguably” fallen creator alien-demon abominations.

Dan 12:4

4 “But you, Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book until the time of the end; many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall increase.”

NKJV

Could this be such knowledge? I don’t know. I think so for sure. But I truly don’t know.


Defending Against the Lie

Also the most important thing to understand of all is that this information is DEFENSE against the “alien-demons” that will tell everyone on earth that THEY were our creators and prove it with their “lying wonders”. Does God mean that the “wonders” themselves are not “wonders”? … nope. God means that THEY ARE LIARS, and they will do ”miraculous things” in our presence to prove they are capable, “technologically” capable, of doing amazing things.

These “fallen creators alien-demons” had their “creational abilities” stripped from them (via the Godhead, through and for Him) after the fall of Lucifer and the 1/3 of the rebellious unrepentant angels were kicked out of their “first estate”. They were cut off from “Sons of God” status. Now they can only used their technologies, such as DNA manipulation, to perform these wonders. They can no longer create on behalf of the Godhead.

A Warning to the Researcher

Unfortunately most of these advanced researchers and authors tend to go into topics that are EXTREMELY controversial. While I support their choice to venture into such topics and speculation, I DO NOT agree with many of their “conjectures”. On the other hand you do not want to “throw the baby out with the bath water”. So you need to measure everything as best as you can against the scripture, and let the spirit “bear witness” unto you heart.

Summary In Jesus Name

People often mistake their ability to spiritually “discern” with their personal inability to grasp new concepts beyond their burned in doctrinal “unbelief”. I am extremely guilty of this myself. For years I have struggled with these concepts. I have yelped out exclamations like “This is New Age” balderdash and crap! I have written off sources completely because of one thing they said they believed, that I knew wasn’t true. So I am … guilty as charged. Amen.

Since according to the Bible, born again Christians have the Holy Spirit inside of them, the expectation is that the “spirit will bear witness”. However! It cannot bear witness to you unless you have “child like” faith and are willing to open your mind to new and wonderful possibilities. Re-read this article and review the scriptures and ask yourself honestly if you are approaching these concepts with the mind of a child OR if maybe, just maybe, you might be relying on “burned in doctrine” and prior teachings so much that it is manifesting in a type of “unbelief”.

If you really want to see a real life example of the “spirit bearing witness” to these new possibilities, then take the time to read the “comments” section under “Part Two” of this series. Read them carefully. Realize that these people are not the “un-saved” folks of the world. Tribulation-Now’s readership is made up of mostly born-again spirit filled Christians.

There are more comments posted under Part Two of this series than have EVER been posted since Tribulation-Now began over a year ago. Over 200 articles and that one HIT HOME with more Christians than ANY other article. Even more so than the articles that were linked to from some of the most popular web site’s in the world. And considering many of those get millions of hits per day, that is saying A LOT.

This is “the spirit bearing witness” IN REAL TIME.

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In Jesus Name I pray, We are ALL found worthy to Escape These Things

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Oh my friend, if only you had read the book, you would see, that it actually does not offer an easier path to God, quite the contrary. Now instead just saying I believe in Jesus, and I am saved now. The U-book requires of you to actually do GOOD, in the world, to other people.
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Oh my friend, if only you had read the book, you would see, that it actually does not offer an easier path to God, quite the contrary. Now instead just saying I believe in Jesus, and I am saved now. The U-book requires of you to actually do GOOD, in the world, to other people.
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It's easy to see the Urantia book has the same tone as the newage spiritual bullshit with its mumbojumbo technical terms that really don't make any sense when analysed. Behind all the crap about infinite potential, experiential ascension, mansion worlds and other hocus-pocus, one can easily see the usual satanic deception of the godhood of man and immortality -- The same BS satan used to deceive Eve in the garden.
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It's easy to see the Urantia book has the same tone as the newage spiritual bullshit with its mumbojumbo technical terms that really don't make any sense when analysed. Behind all the crap about infinite potential, experiential ascension, mansion worlds and other hocus-pocus, one can easily see the usual satanic deception of the godhood of man and immortality -- The same BS satan used to deceive Eve in the garden.
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The URantia Book is the ONLY written spiritual revelation given to man by celestial beings assigned to that project of brining you folks into truth of yourselves as sons of the Father.


That was the purpose of Jesus who taught that and who WAS AND IS the Creator Son of this local area of the huge creation.


3:6.5 (53.3) It is a great blunder to humanize God, except in the concept of the indwelling Thought Adjuster, but even that is not so stupid as completely to mechanize the idea of the First Great Source and Center.

3:6.6 (53.4) Does the Paradise Father suffer? I do not know. The Creator Sons most certainly can and sometimes do, even as do mortals. The Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit suffer in a modified sense. I think the Universal Father does, but I cannot understand how; perhaps through the personality circuit or through the individuality of the Thought Adjusters and other bestowals of his eternal nature. He has said of the mortal races, “In all your afflictions I am afflicted.” He unquestionably experiences a fatherly and sympathetic understanding; he may truly suffer, but I do not comprehend the nature thereof.

3:6.7 (53.5) The infinite and eternal Ruler of the universe of universes is power, form, energy, process, pattern, principle, presence, and idealized reality. But he is more; he is personal; he exercises a sovereign will, experiences self-consciousness of divinity, executes the mandates of a creative mind, pursues the satisfaction of the realization of an eternal purpose, and manifests a Father’s love and affection for his universe children. And all these more personal traits of the Father can be better understood by observing them as they were revealed in the bestowal life of Michael, your Creator Son, while he was incarnated on Urantia.

3:6.8 (53.6) God the Father loves men; God the Son serves men; God the Spirit inspires the children of the universe to the ever-ascending adventure of finding God the Father by the ways ordained by God the Sons through the ministry of the grace of God the Spirit.

3:6.9 (53.7) [Being the Divine Counselor assigned to the presentation of the revelation of the Universal Father, I have continued with this statement of the attributes of Deity.]
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thanks for the thread bump Mr. Baloney... not registered in but here as ac 4227. The UB is not new age nonsense. We are in fact on the cusp of a new age.. one in which this planet will not be anymore a prison ward for thugs. Time is up.

The planetary people who can stay with the earth will be moved into cosmic consciousness and become knowing that which was denied them by the satantists.. that those of love and morality are SONS OF THE FATHER.

5:1.5 (63.3) However Urantia mortals may differ in their intellectual, social, economic, and even moral opportunities and endowments, forget not that their spiritual endowment is uniform and unique. They all enjoy the same divine presence of the gift from the Father, and they are all equally privileged to seek intimate personal communion with this indwelling spirit of divine origin, while they may all equally choose to accept the uniform spiritual leading of these Mystery Monitors.

5:1.6 (63.4) If mortal man is wholeheartedly spiritually motivated, unreservedly consecrated to the doing of the Father’s will, then, since he is so certainly and so effectively spiritually endowed by the indwelling and divine Adjuster, there cannot fail to materialize in that individual’s experience the sublime consciousness of knowing God and the supernal assurance of surviving for the purpose of finding God by the progressive experience of becoming more and more like him.

5:1.7 (63.5) Man is spiritually indwelt by a surviving Thought Adjuster. If such a human mind is sincerely and spiritually motivated, if such a human soul desires to know God and become like him, honestly wants to do the Father’s will, there exists no negative influence of mortal deprivation nor positive power of possible interference which can prevent such a divinely motivated soul from securely ascending to the portals of Paradise.

5:1.8 (63.6) The Father desires all his creatures to be in personal communion with him. He has on Paradise a place to receive all those whose survival status and spiritual nature make possible such attainment. Therefore settle in your philosophy now and forever: To each of you and to all of us, God is approachable, the Father is attainable, the way is open; the forces of divine love and the ways and means of divine administration are all interlocked in an effort to facilitate the advancement of every worthy intelligence of every universe to the Paradise presence of the Universal Father.

5:1.9 (63.7) The fact that vast time is involved in the attainment of God makes the presence and personality of the Infinite none the less real. Your ascension is a part of the circuit of the seven superuniverses, and though you swing around it countless times, you may expect, in spirit and in status, to be ever swinging inward. You can depend upon being translated from sphere to sphere, from the outer circuits ever nearer the inner center, and some day, doubt not, you shall stand in the divine and central presence and see him, figuratively speaking, face to face. It is a question of the attainment of actual and literal spiritual levels; and these spiritual levels are attainable by any being who has been indwelt by a Mystery Monitor, and who has subsequently eternally fused with that Thought Adjuster.
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Hi OP,

just stumbled over this thread, skipping thru it.
I wonder...because there is something I'm not getting.
It seems you are trying to debunk a book by quotations from another book?

Does that even make sense?
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The URantia Book is the ONLY written spiritual revelation given to man by celestial beings assigned to that project of brining you folks into truth of yourselves as sons of the Father.
That was the purpose of Jesus who taught that and who WAS AND IS the Creator Son of this local area of the huge creation.

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false. craprantia book denies Jesus as the only begotten son. it is false, satanic, channeled material.

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The Urantia book may be one of Satan's greatest masterpieces of deception. It is so seductive because it cleverly plays on many human emotions.

Satan understands the intense curiosity that humans posses and he plays to it by spinning elaborate fairy tales of other universes, inhabited planets, hierarchies of spiritual beings, etc. in the Urantia book. Most of the Urantia book flies in the face of God's statement to us in Deuteronomy 29:29, which says, "The secret [things belong] unto the LORD our God: but those [things which are] revealed [belong] unto us and to our children for ever, that [we] may do all the words of this law".

This book is especially seductive to people who are already predisposed to believing in UFO's and extraterrestrials. People who believe in any of the various Christian compromises with evolution are also more vulnerable to being deceived by it. This massive 2,097 page book is so rich in information and details that it would take years to try to understand it all. That's part of what keeps its supporters coming back year after year to learn more.

Satan plays on our fears in the Urantia book by soothing us with lying reassurances that Hell does not exist, and by focusing on God's love and mercy while distracting us away from God's judgment and wrath against those who do not accept Jesus as their savior.

He plays to our pride and or desire for power by telling us that those who study the Urantia book are more highly evolved and enlightened than those who believe in that allegedly outdated book, the Bible.

He exploits our desire to trust by false reassurances that these extra-Biblical revelations compliment the Bible.

He plays to our desire to be loved by mixing in messages of love with the poison that will ultimately lead to a spiritual death in Hell.
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Since this thread is not about Urantia book teachings....but quotes and writings from one specific personality, I will share some food for thought from another book.

The book is called the "Christ Returns Reveals Startling Truth"

It consists of 9 letters authorized by Jesus Christ. Over 40 years, Christ purified and "de-programmed" the mind of an English woman who had been educated in a strict Catholic convent. In the year 2000 at the age of 80, she began to transcribe, under Christ's direction, the teaching she received throughout her years of contact with him. It came through her mind in the form of nine letters.

Letter 9 page 394

"Just as I came in human body2000 years ago, to rescue the Jewish nation from an edifice of artificial and man-made burdensome religious practices, so have I come through the medium of these Letters distributed world-wide, to make it abundantly clear that the "Christian Religion" in no way reflects my true CHRIST message either as I taught it in Palestine- or at this present time when these Letters will arouse the fury and condemnation of orthodox "Christians".

The Christian religion, as it stands at this time, is only a hotch-potch of the muddled thinking of my disciples selective recollections and Paul's worthy homilies and other early writings.

Much later, when the impact of Christianity lacked the visual effect of the gods and goddesses of the Romans, the Christian religion was adorned with 'theatrical' but 'expedient' nonsense to impress those whom the Ecclesiastical Empire of Rome desired to draw into their fold. This empire later imposed monetary burdens on the gullible people even more iniquitous than the taxes demanded by the secular Roman Empire on conquered nations. Even Caesar did not demand payment for souls to gain entrance to heaven!

You may wonder why I am so explicit in my rejection of 'Judaism' and 'Christianity'. It is vital to the success of the distribution of my CHRIST MESSAGE that people should fully understand the true nature of religions which held humanity in their grip until the twentieth century. Until they do realize the mythical foundations on which they have placed all their convictions, people will find it difficult to let go of their cherished beliefs.

Please understand that when I make such statements, I am referring to 'Christian religion', to the 'tenets of faith', to the 'dogma and theology'. I am not referring to those great spiritual souls who have sought, and continue to see God and Truth beyond the dogma and beliefs. Many of these have received my inspiration into their minds and hearts but are afraid to let go their cherished beliefs. They are hampered by religious practices. The time has come for them to let them go and grow in spirituality and awareness of their true SOURCE OF BEING
and take their congregations with them.

To the Christian Churches of every denomination, I say "Wake Up"! The time has come for you to rouse yourselves from a long unnatural sleep when reason has been suppressed by hypnotic and emotional traditions. These have been handed down through the centuries by a succession of people claiming to be the highest authority on all that I taught in Palestine. Do not be afraid of the consequences if you examine your past beliefs and want to cleanse them from your thinking. Get rid of the cobwebs of illusion and - THINK!"

Letter 9 Page 399

" It is a matter of extreme urgency that people world-wide should recognize that the Truth IS you have been born to individualize and express the UNIVERSAL- THE SOURCE Of your BEING- in an evolutionary manner, eventually reaching peak INDIVIDUALIZED manifestation of your SOURCE OF BEING-
CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS."


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The Christ Letters reveal to us all that our Consciousness and mindset in our choices, thoughts, words, and actions create our reality.

Christ speaks of Universal Laws and the Kingdom of God. Everything in nature to the blood in our bodies is Divine Intelligence and how all of creation is a part of us also.

This is what Christ came to share 2000 years ago, but the people of that time were not ready to hear it, also the apostles did not truly understand spiritually.

We are Spirit Beings! Spirituality is not Religion...it is KNOWING THYSELF AND ALIGNING WITH CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS!

Everything we do, from thoughts, words, and actions is creating our reality....so at what level of consciousness are we creating from.

Jesus speaks of this in the Christ Letters. He teaches how to become one with Christ Consciousness and how we can create our lives in all aspects of harmony, peace, and goodness.

Once aware of how powerful these teachings are....well we can all break free from any old thought patterns that keep us bound and enslaved to repetitive suffering.

This is the freedom Jesus came to share with us all...and it has been silenced by all Religions world wide.

The Urantia Book expands on these teachings in much detail. Our Spiritual journey through the Universal Realms of time and space. Who we are and why we are here....good questions everyone should be asking!

People must open/grow and expand their minds in searching for truth and use their inner eyes to SEE truth!

This takes work....on ourselves....forever and always!

Blessings to all ~

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The Christ Letters reveal to us all that our Consciousness and mindset in our choices, thoughts, words, and actions create our reality.

Christ speaks of Universal Laws and the Kingdom of God. Everything in nature to the blood in our bodies is Divine Intelligence and how all of creation is a part of us also.

This is what Christ came to share 2000 years ago, but the people of that time were not ready to hear it, also the apostles did not truly understand spiritually.

We are Spirit Beings! Spirituality is not Religion...it is KNOWING THYSELF AND ALIGNING WITH CHRIST CONSCIOUSNESS!

Everything we do, from thoughts, words, and actions is creating our reality....so at what level of consciousness are we creating from.

Jesus speaks of this in the Christ Letters. He teaches how to become one with Christ Consciousness and how we can create our lives in all aspects of harmony, peace, and goodness.

Once aware of how powerful these teachings are....well we can all break free from any old thought patterns that keep us bound and enslaved to repetitive suffering.

This is the freedom Jesus came to share with us all...and it has been silenced by all Religions world wide.

The Urantia Book expands on these teachings in much detail. Our Spiritual journey through the Universal Realms of time and space. Who we are and why we are here....good questions everyone should be asking!

People must open/grow and expand their minds in searching for truth and use their inner eyes to SEE truth!

This takes work....on ourselves....forever and always!

Blessings to all ~
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Thanks! I resonate with what you are saying here SPIRITUALITY IS NOT RELIGION...if more people realized this we would have less wars and division among us.
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The Christ Letters reveal to us all that our Consciousness and mindset in our choices, thoughts, words, and actions create our reality.

Christ speaks of Universal Laws and the Kingdom of God. Everything in nature to the blood in our bodies is Divine Intelligence and how all of creation is a part of us also.



Jesus speaks of this in the Christ Letters. He teaches how to become one with Christ Consciousness and how we can create our lives in all aspects of harmony, peace, and goodness.

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The Urantia Book expands on these teachings in much detail. Our Spiritual journey through the Universal Realms of time and space. Who we are and why we are here....good questions everyone should be asking!

People must open/grow and expand their minds in searching for truth and use their inner eyes to SEE truth!

This takes work....on ourselves....forever and always!

Blessings to all ~
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bsmeter2

those letters are false channeled junk that are most certainly not from Jesus, and neither is the craprantia book. it denies Jesus as the only begotten son of God amongst other things.....

craprantia is a demonic new-age decpetion. shame on you for promoting that junk for your cult leader.
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The Christ Letters reveal to us all that our Consciousness and mindset in our choices, thoughts, words, and actions create our reality.

Christ speaks of Universal Laws and the Kingdom of God. Everything in nature to the blood in our bodies is Divine Intelligence and how all of creation is a part of us also.



Jesus speaks of this in the Christ Letters. He teaches how to become one with Christ Consciousness and how we can create our lives in all aspects of harmony, peace, and goodness.

.

The Urantia Book expands on these teachings in much detail. Our Spiritual journey through the Universal Realms of time and space. Who we are and why we are here....good questions everyone should be asking!

People must open/grow and expand their minds in searching for truth and use their inner eyes to SEE truth!

This takes work....on ourselves....forever and always!

Blessings to all ~
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bsmeter2

those letters are false channeled junk that are most certainly not from Jesus, and neither is the craprantia book. it denies Jesus as the only begotten son of God amongst other things.....

craprantia is a demonic new-age decpetion. shame on you for promoting that junk for your cult leader.
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If you have not read the book than you have NO CLUE and NO AUTHORITY TO SAY OTHERWISE! Most people can discern for themselves what is false and what they deem to be truth.

You and others have NO authority over anyone's KNOWING AND THEREFORE HAVE NO SAY! I myself can think, seek, search, interpret, investigate, and intuitively trust my own knowing and inner connection with my Divine Father and Jesus. You who speaks falsely here shows your level of intellect and ignorance!

For your information none of this is New Age info! You should know better, but if you are not reading the books for yourself, well you would not know that. Do yourself a favor...before you judge....know what you are judging!

It is so easy to condemn that which you no nothing about! Each person must do the work themselves....it is not New Age thinking or material where it is all magical and done for us.....the HUMAN journey is Eternal and each one must grow their minds into higher consciousness.

The only thing "demonic" is the word you used....yourself!

Know Thyself...

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I would like to help you "debunk" the book, but lets be real;
Are not ALL books channeled ? Information comes from somewhere. Seems it is a matter whether the information is accepted or not by a reading individual.
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If you have not read the book than you have NO CLUE and NO AUTHORITY TO SAY OTHERWISE! Most people can discern for themselves what is false and what they deem to be truth.

You and others have NO authority over anyone's KNOWING AND THEREFORE HAVE NO SAY! I myself can think, seek, search, interpret, investigate, and intuitively trust my own knowing and inner connection with my Divine Father and Jesus. You who speaks falsely here shows your level of intellect and ignorance!

For your information none of this is New Age info! You should know better, but if you are not reading the books for yourself, well you would not know that. Do yourself a favor...before you judge....know what you are judging!

It is so easy to condemn that which you no nothing about! Each person must do the work themselves....it is not New Age thinking or material where it is all magical and done for us.....the HUMAN journey is Eternal and each one must grow their minds into higher consciousness.

The only thing "demonic" is the word you used....yourself!

Know Thyself...

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Oh but I do have authority, as given by God and his only begotten son Jesus.

sorry but you craprantists have no “knowing” just lies, deceptions, and blasphemies.----and phony spaceships.

your body sharing duo isn’t Jesus.....never has been, never will be.

And yes it’s the newest of new-age lies. Satan is the father of all lies, so yes it is demonic for sure.

you should be deeply ashamed of yourself promoting that crap.
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If you have not read the book than you have NO CLUE and NO AUTHORITY TO SAY OTHERWISE! Most people can discern for themselves what is false and what they deem to be truth.

You and others have NO authority over anyone's KNOWING AND THEREFORE HAVE NO SAY! I myself can think, seek, search, interpret, investigate, and intuitively trust my own knowing and inner connection with my Divine Father and Jesus. You who speaks falsely here shows your level of intellect and ignorance!

For your information none of this is New Age info! You should know better, but if you are not reading the books for yourself, well you would not know that. Do yourself a favor...before you judge....know what you are judging!

It is so easy to condemn that which you no nothing about! Each person must do the work themselves....it is not New Age thinking or material where it is all magical and done for us.....the HUMAN journey is Eternal and each one must grow their minds into higher consciousness.

The only thing "demonic" is the word you used....yourself!

Know Thyself...

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Oh but I do have authority, as given by God and his only begotten son Jesus.

sorry but you craprantists have no “knowing” just lies, deceptions, and blasphemies.----and phony spaceships.

your body sharing duo isn’t Jesus.....never has been, never will be.

And yes it’s the newest of new-age lies. Satan is the father of all lies, so yes it is demonic for sure.

you should be deeply ashamed of yourself promoting that crap.
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Your authority is only for yourself.....you do not speak for the status-quo....people can discern for themselves. I trust humanity to think and feel reading material for themselves, and judge whether they deem it true or not....you were not appointed to be the spokesman for all posters here or elsewhere.

Once again you are transparent in your ignorance and shameful attacks. Unless you have read the material yourself you have no voice......none at all!

Your post alone shows the hypocrisy of your statements. They have NO truth and NO valid ethics. I hope those who read here can see through your tactics.....because you have an extreme agenda to crush any beliefs that do not agree with your own.

Blessings to all with eyes, ears, and mind to expand and stretch their horizons with the divine guidance and grace we all have access to...

We are living in historic times where access to material is now on the internet and elsewhere. Material promised to us centuries ago, that would lead to Spiritual Enlightenment!

The bible does have its limitations, yet it was all we had to go by....until now!

For myself it did not answer key questions...and as I grew within...I increasingly craved a higher standard of belief/knowing as it did not align with my reality I was experiencing.

There is more to learn and know....and it is available....to all if minds are open to learn. Our egos keep us from growing spiritually....yes they keep those barriers of fear and unworthiness in place.

It is time for the barriers and shackles to be cut down, that keep us from claiming and knowing our true spiritual potential.

Do not be afraid to explore and question....it is your Divine duty, and trust that you will be guided appropriately. You all have guides, teachers, and angels around you just waiting to help answer and guide you to truth, insight, and understanding.

Do not let intimidation...from a few (here)....keep you from discovering your glory....because this information will change your life, and move you forward with a joy and understanding....as everything will now make sense. That is all I will say....as the rest is up to you all!

Blessings to all of light, love, truth, goodness, and wisdom, may everyone find for themselves the deep desires of their hearts and than completely align with the highest glory and truth of God the Father! Amen! hf

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Your authority is only for yourself.....you do not speak for the status-quo....people can discern for themselves. I trust humanity to think and feel reading material for themselves, and judge whether they deem it true or not....you were not appointed to be the spokesman for all posters here or elsewhere.

We are living in historic times where access to material is now on the internet and elsewhere. Material promised to us centuries ago, that would lead to Spiritual Enlightenment!

The bible does have its limitations, yet it was all we had to go by....until now!

For myself it did not answer key questions...and as I grew within...I increasingly craved a higher standard of belief/knowing as it did not align with my reality I was experiencing.

There is more to learn and know....and it is available....to all if minds are open to learn. Our egos keep us from growing spiritually....yes they keep those barriers of fear and unworthiness in place.

It is time for the barriers and shackles to be cut down, that keep us from claiming and knowing our true spiritual potential.


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false.

Ephesians 4:19 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them

that ^^^^ is the authority from God's word. Exposing the false, cultie, new-age craprantia for the junk it is, is commanded by God.

the bible has no limitations, that is a lie that comes from deceived individuals such as yourself who attempt to lead folks astray and away from God and away from the truth of his word.......shame be to you.

craprantia was not "promised" to anyone....it is "channeled" junk that is not from nor of God. but the good news is that the bible is from God.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness

the only thing you craved were the sci-fi lies that craprantia promotes.....which God warned us about in his word.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions, and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.

craprantia isn't "enlightenment", just lies and decpetions. and the biggest lie from craprantia is its denial of Jesus as the only begotten son of God.

you deceivers always push having an "open mind"....why? because you wish to fill that open mind with every lie, falsehood, deception, that you can in order to drag others down with you.......again, shame on you.
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I ignore all these books, including the bible.

They were written by man, end of story.

None of the inventions of man come anywhere near the creations of God, go outside and take a look around, take a good long look in the mirror.

The only place in this Universe you can find lies is in the words of men, everything else is the truth of God.
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I ignore all these books, including the bible.

They were written by man, end of story.

None of the inventions of man come anywhere near the creations of God, go outside and take a look around, take a good long look in the mirror.

The only place in this Universe you can find lies is in the words of men, everything else is the truth of God.
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false. the words of the bible came from God and were only scribed ( written down) by men.
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I ignore all these books, including the bible.

They were written by man, end of story.

None of the inventions of man come anywhere near the creations of God, go outside and take a look around, take a good long look in the mirror.

The only place in this Universe you can find lies is in the words of men, everything else is the truth of God.
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false. the words of the bible came from God and were only scribed ( written down) by men.
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The number 2 i drop in the morning is more divine than that book, any book, or any words any man has ever spoken.

It is closer to God, it is of his plan, his design, his intention. It is a miracle of God.

You insult God by trying to compare any of mans inventions to his work.
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This clip gives us a clear understanding of the difference between religion and the spirit of God within us.

[link to vimeo.com (secure)] Very good presentation!
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This clip gives us a clear understanding of the difference between religion and the spirit of God within us.

[link to vimeo.com (secure)] Very good presentation!

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this is a much better presentation of how deceptive it is: