Debunking the Urantia book, Christians join me

Oh, my. Lots of insanity here.

I read the bible almost daily and I also read the Urantia Book.

First off... if you would just take a breath and stop trying to prove your brand of Christianity is the "right one" you might actually learn something.

I read the UB on and off for 20 years but never really understood it until I started reading the bible.

I prayed a lot about the book because I felt so moved and comforted by it that I found it hard to believe it was anything like evil. I only started reading the bible because I fell in love with the man Jesus THROUGH the Urantia Book.

The next day after trying to come to terms with my beliefs, I stumbled upon a scripture that reads:

1 John 4:1-2

Beloved ones, do not believe every inspired expression, but test the inspired expressions to see whether they originate with God, because many false prophets have gone forth into this world. You gain the knowledge of the inspired expression from God by this:

Every inspired expression that confesses Jesus as having come in the flesh originates with God.

Not even the bible proclaims Jesus as King the way Urantia does.

I could sit here and try to convince you what I myself am convinced of, but it doesn't matter. Jesus said ALL who believe in him will be saved.

You might want to look at Rev 2:9, Rev 3:9, and pay particular attention to John 8:32-47.

Christians don't believe their own Christ when they cow to Israel... they are the ones being deceived because they don't study their own book. They worship and support a nation that DOES NOT believe in Jesus Christ. Doesn't anyone see the messed up irony there?

YOU are the ones being led to the slaughter. You'll be forgiven though - because Christ will know you meant well... he's cool like that.

Ya see 999.99 % truth and .001 % lies is how they operate. Candace will deny Jesus is the only way. christ michael, pleadians, and galactic federation of light are the lies, thanks for the bump!

Frankly I think you are way overreacting. I saw the book at the Library where I checked it out. After only a few pages of stuff that I could in no way relate to, I returned it.
It is a huge,huge book and very costly.I doubt many will be flocking to buy it.And it is very rambling,disjointed and poorly written to boot.What anyone gets from it I don't know as I found it almost unreadable at the time.
I do not see it as much of a threat.
However, that being said, much of what passes as "Christianity" is little more than "channeled" information from variouse saints,mystics, and others who then,based on their new insight start a new denomination. A lot of stuff out there is questionable at best.Mormon revelation?Channeled,Founders of Jehova Witness(also
channeled),St.Paul and others in the Bible recieving visits from Angels or supernatural dreams, also unverified mystical experience.
God can and does talk to people via dreams,meditations and so on.Angels still bear messages. Drawing the line of what is valid and what is made up is not really that easy since soooo much has been made up and edited.
Just pray and follow J.C's example.

By the way, I got lost in the long,long list of arguments for and agin. I saw one person put down for living on disability in a trailor park. Such a personal attack is nothing more than elitism and class warfare.Poor and disabled frequently live in trailor parks.THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE LESS HUMAN, LESS BRIGHT, LESS MORAL than anyone else. Associating moral superiority with wealth is the EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT CHRIST TAUGHT.Think about it. Attack ideas not people.
Shame on whoever did that.
Again, this is one reason I am more and more dissallusioned with Christian Churchs as I see the moral decay within it, and the use of the church in political and social agendas.
Disgusting that I should have to explain to Christians why name calling and ridiculing a person based on economic status is wrong.What did Jesus do?

My father has been studying the Vedic scriptures his whole life. He has accepted the authority of the Vedic scriptures in the line of A.C. Bhaktivedanta Srila Prabhupada.

A.C. Bhaktivedanta considers Jesus a devotee of the lord, and spiritual master and my father was very curious throughout his whole life on the TRUE story of Jesus.


After my father found the Urantia Book, it all started clicking for him. The terms of the Vedas were there, but just labeled differently. He had finally found what he had been praying for his whole life, the real understanding of Jesus.

As for as me and my father are concerned, The Urantia Book depicts the TRUE teachings of Jesus. Universal Brotherhood and Divine Love for ALL.

The Urantia book clears up how the Bible actually came into being, and how it's actually the teachings of Paul that most Christians follow today.


Like someone who posted earlier said, a lot of people have found the REAL Jesus through the Urantia Book, and he's even more exalted in the Urantia Book than the Bible. He was a true devotee of the lord while making his final bestowal mission.


I will take the Jesus of the Urantia Book over the Jesus of the Bible any day.

In the Vedas, the beings who manifested this book are called Demigods, and Demigods are administrative beings who are FULLY COMPLIANT with the will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.

Last Edited by SaveTheLivingEntities on 06/09/2011 11:53 AM

Jesus went after the Lost and Sinners, point taken!

OH YAH, it's extremely costly. At Amazon.com you have to shell out a WHOPPING $13.57. OH MY GOD! Thirteen dollars and 57 cents for a 2000 page book with a free DVD of the complete audio reading, with free shipping and no tax. OH MY GOD! We'll have to take out a second mortgage on the house to afford that.

>I doubt many will be flocking to buy it.And it is very rambling,disjointed and poorly written to boot.What anyone gets from it I don't know as I found it almost unreadable at the time.

More lies. Maybe you just opened it up in a place that was over your head, some advanced 5th grade stuff.

>I do not see it as much of a threat.

That's exactly what we want you to think. Just close your eyes and think about soothing, pleasant things and don't give this another thought.

The Orion Wars

Jesus’ Side of the Story

Job 9:8-10
He alone spreads out the heavens,
And treads on the waves of the sea;
He made Arcturus, Orion, and the Pleiades,
And the chambers of the south;
He does great things past finding out,
Yes, wonders without number.
NKJV

Introduction to the Amazing

Is there anyone out there that thinks they have this all figured out? Not me! What I can share with you I must. This is an AMAZING story and you will probably wonder if it could possibly be real. I sure did. In fact I discarded the information more than once. But God kept calling me back to it.

Some of my most intense praise, prayer and research happens when I am out of a job. Through our trials, we often are pulled much closer to the Lord. I try not to worry and it’s hard. God has things in control. And there is far too little time to screw things up now. “Seek ye first the Kingdom” and that is exactly what I’ve been doing.

But the Kingdom is far more fabulous than our little peanut brains could ever imagine. Unless otherwise convinced, by supernatural means or extremely convincing scripture (which I doubt seriously could happen), I am persuaded through manifestations of the Holy Spirit that what I am presenting you is as close to the truth than you may have ever heard in your life.

And I give all the Glory to God, for finding me and “us all” worthy to be part of these revelations.

An Intense Sense of Urgency

There is a strange sense of urgency associated with this article. This morning I received an email from a Tribulation-Now contributor. He found very troubling misinformation being spread across the Internet. Evidently there are those that have already “latched onto” the Genesis One vs. Genesis Two problem. And they are formulating speculation that is damning to Jesus’ mission to save us in his forthcoming “rescue mission”. You can call it a rapture, a calling up, pick your terminology. You can even suggest there is no “calling up” if you would rather, but one thing is for certain .. He is coming for us.

I was going to “hold off” on presenting this story and continue to find lots of Bible scripture to back it. While I have some scriptures, and more and more are coming in via continuous phone calls from “key contributors”, I am swimming in notes and the damage being done by the “You Tube” demons is utterly horrible. Evidently they have even gone as far as to suggest that Genesis One was not written by God, but was demonically inserted into the text. When I got that notification, I realized I could no longer wait.

The Truth is Out There. And quite honestly if you don’t want to accept it that’s fine. It is possible you are will be “counted worthy to escape these things” even if you are not quite right with the Lord I suppose. And there is absolutely NO REQUIREMENT to have a clue about UFO’s and “alien-demon-fallen-angels” to be saved. BUT if you want to do good things on behalf of the Kingdom, there is NO QUESTION you will need this information to present to “the lost” when these “space beings” arrive in force.

Supernatural Spin Cycle

It seems that everything God creates is “circular”. We have the circulatory system, planets revolve around suns, Universes are circular and spin, atoms have electrons that circle around them. And evidently, ages are God’s creational cycles too. God refers to “opening and closing scrolls”. Have you ever considered the Seven Thunders in Revelation that John was not allowed to “write about” were beginnings of aeons or ages? Could a “thunder” be a type of “big bang”? All the scientists agree the Universe is “in motion”; albeit slowing down through entropy. Has it occurred to you that the actual “days” spoken of in Genesis are the Hebrew word “yam” which may actually be referring to “ages” and not days? Well? Hmmm.

Well my research, and supernatural “coincidences”, run in cycles as well. Like everyone else, I am always suspicious of the “sources” of the information. And then when you realize that Lucifer’s army uses the 99.999% truth, .001% lies, the ONLY WAY, we can be “wise as serpents” is to study the enemy’s movements and plans.

So you simply cannot run away from sources of information because, maybe, just maybe, they have been labeled as “questionable”. Maybe the author doesn’t know Jesus but figured out a part of the puzzle that “christianity asleep at the wheel” missed. And WHO SAYS the sources are questionable in the first place?? Since we know the Brotherhood of Satan has assigned members to our churches to quench the spirit and hide the revealing of truths, how can we assume we are getting the whole story?

We can’t

Discarding the Sources on Impulse

As this information was getting revealed to me through the first couple sources, I completely discarded it. I didn’t agree with it. To me, it “didn’t make sense”. The main reason I discarded it is because I really didn’t “get it”. I took 2 sets of DVD lectures and tossed them on my bookshelf. While some of the information was plausible, even likely, it just wasn’t “witnessing to me”. The “earthly Johnny” didn’t resonate with it because some of the “terminology” used, in “my mind” didn’t line up with scripture. Or at least, that’s what I thought. Well I was wrong. Yesterday’s article touched upon a small portion of those confirmations.

Then I was led to purchase a Bible version known as the Hebraic Roots Bible. I read Genesis one and two straight through and I immediately realized something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the story. It doesn’t line up. It didn’t make sense. Chapter one was a totally different account than chapter two. When you stop inserting the word “GOD” into every spot and you see the term “elohim” and the words “US” and “WE” used, a circuit blows. I knew, as I read it, that these “fallen-angel-demons” are coming her to tell us that THEY are our creators. I started to wonder, “what if”? What if they are going to be telling 99.999% truth, but leave out the most important part?

Research Hypothesis is Formed

I formed my “hypothesis” and started my research. I bought the Ancient Aliens season one and watched it with Jonathen Kleck when he visited. He requested a particular episode, but by “accident” I selected the wrong one. By “coincidence” it was the one that included Akhenaten with the speculation that He was NOT from this planet. By the time we had finished watching that episode (which was loaded with additional archeological evidence) Jonathan was starting to freak out and pray. It got really intense. He said, “this is IT” (or something like that). He knew about the Gen One problem and felt the secret was being revealed in the documentary and the Lord was confirming it to him.

I remember talking to my 65 year old, Holy Spirit filled tongue speaking sister in Pennsylvania. She was the one I helped with the demonic issue in the article entitled “Deliverance”. I don’t remember how we tripped across the subject but she says to me (to my utter surprise) “I always thought that we might be angels”. I was like “WHAT?” I never expected to hear that from her. Why in the world would she say that? After all we are “Sons of God” … right?

The Restaurant Encounter

Then I find myself (I’m compressing events over months of time and research here) doing some digging on some of the sources of this material. I was having some “Sumerian ale” at the local bistro witnessing to a waitress who had heard about Tribulation-Now from another girl who works there and is on “The List”. She wanted to know more and more. People are fascinated with UFO’s and they are astonished to learn that the Bible refers to these things and their “fallen-angel-demon” inhabitants.

If you want to witness to people about Jesus, there is NO BETTER SUBJECT to get smart about. I recommend you do it fast because we are running out of time.

In between the questions from the waitress, I was clicking from web site to web site in search of the origins of some of this information. The truth is out there. The problem is God speaks through mouthpieces of His choice. And He doesn’t bother trying to convince those with “burned in unbelief” with closed minds and etched in “theologies” and corrupted historical understandings. I had to toss all of my preconceptions a long time ago.

While everyone else is watching the forthcoming financial collapse and other “news of the global takeover”, God made it “perfectly clear” to me that I need to focus on The Disclosure Project (see the article entitled “The Botnet Coincidence” here [link to www.tribulation-now.org]

At this point I stumble across a web site that appears to have some interesting data that might be a source of this “take on the Universe”. But there is no contact information in sight. But wait! Then I see this obscure email on a sister site that might be someone I can reach out too. There, with my pitcher of beer, and my netbook with some wings, I pop-off a quick email and introduce myself as the writer of Tribulation-Now and ask the guy to call me if he feels “led” by the Lord to do so.

MY PHONE RINGS ALMOST IMMEDIATELY

I didn’t recognize the number so I was confused. At this point it wasn’t searching for a job so I was thinking to myself “NO WAY”. Well … Yes Way! The person identified himself as Dr. Lee. He said that he was sifting through hundreds of emails and the Lord told him to call me. Immediately? Evidently so. So there I am on a frosty Tampa night, in utter disbelief that one of the world’s leading Biblical experts and a scientist with a Ph.D in Physics (I believe), was actually TALKING TO ME on the phone 5 minutes after I sent off a relatively random email.

Coincidence?

Subsequent Calls and Confirmations

Since then this unbelievable Jesus filled author of 5 (or more) books, has had several long conference calls with me and one other spiritual leader and friend of Tribulation-Now. This fellow’s name is Kenneth. You see Kenneth was led to Tribulation-Now because he used to work with William Cooper, the author of Behold a Pale Horse. Kenneth also has a Ph.D. in science. Kenneth also is a Holy Spirit filled believer that knows his Bible better than most pastors I’ve met.

And now Dr. Lee, Kenneth, and I are having 3 hour conference calls discovering the REAL meaning of the scripture. The version that matches science perfectly. Now don’t get weirded out just yet. I can assure you that first and foremost both of these incredible people, while their understanding of science is WAY over my head, are 100% born-again spirit filled Jesus loving “Seek ye first the Kingdom” people. And let me tell you, when they were talking I was MESMERIZED. WOW.

Where is True Wisdom?

in the urantia book?
in your wholly bible book?

once you realize WHERE True Wisdom is...
you will not be wasting your time with threads like this one

Peace be with You

btw: keep it simple :)

How Much Don’t We Know?

First let me tell you that similar to John 21:25 where it says …

John 21:25

25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

NKJV

I cannot possibly remember or record all of the details of every supernatural coincidence that brought me to this point. And if you take another look at that scripture, doesn’t it give you the impression that we have not heard THE WHOLE STORY? Nevermind the scrolls that John had to eat in Revelation that would not be revealed until …. Hmmmm. And wasn’t there a point where Daniel was told to keep quiet about certain things? Why do you suppose that was?

Is it possilbe, even likely, that the information hidden away until the ”end of times” was not given out because the people who lived prior to this UFO manifestation issue would have been utterly confused by it? Could it be this information was not handed out because of prior generation’s ignorance in physics and dimensions, and the concepts of inter-galactic travel would have been “non-existent”? Doesn’t God meet you at your point of faith? Why is it we are told to be “child like” to enter the Kingdom of Heaven and our kids are playing with Star Wars Light Sabers?

Why, in the movie, ”A Wonderful Life” is there an “angel” in the form of a kind hearted man who is trying to earn his wings? What’s up with that?

“Teacher says that every time a bell rings, an Angel gets his wings”

Is this just fantansy? Is it even remotely possible that GOD Himself puts his “fingerprint” into our movies right along side of the other “less savoury” stuff in our theaters? Why do we always assume that everything is owned by the Devil and GOD has NO SAY in ANYTHING when it comes to movies and things we see in our media? Are we looking for the devil or are we looking for GOD? Maybe we need to adjust our ”frame of reference”?

The Fallen Creator Confirmations

So hopefully by now, you have read part one of this series and understand that the exact same words used to describe “Sons of God” in Genesis 6:4 (in Greek) are the same words to describe US in the New Testament. We are “vloi tov Oeov” or “Sons of God”. Okay.

And also surely by now you understand that Jesus (probably out of fleshy frustration) said to the badgering Pharasees, “Have I not said YE are elohim?” (John 10:34).

I also recommend you get both the following books, “Angels, Elect and Evil” by C. Fred Dickason, and “The Lost Bible, Forgotten Scriptures Revealed”, by J.R. Porter. You see, this last weekend I went on a quest to find some additional confirmations to all this “Sons of God” and “angel” confusion.

On page 28 of Angels, Elect and Evil, the author states “The word “sons” seems to indicate a direct creation of God, as Adam is the son of God (Luke 3:38), and believers are “recreated” in Christ individually as “sons of God”. But did not Jesus say ” I have known you since the foundation of the WORLD??” He sure did. Hmmm. Never mind that Satan himself is referred to as a Son of God in Job 1:6 and 2:1 (as one of the spirit classes mentioned).

Then on page 16 of “The Lost Bible, Forgotten Scriptures Revealed” it points out that “ever elusive” classification of Angels known as the Ophannim. Never mind the “highly suspicious” mis-interpretation in Ezekiel One of the word “wheel” that should have been instead the word “Ophannim”.

Well if THAT doesn’t get you saying “WOW” than what about this?

On page 114 of Maximilliens de Lafayettes book entitled “UFOs, Aliens, Impregnated Women, Extraterrestrials, and God” it says (and I quote!)

The final extraterrestrial race to be examined due to their significance are the Arcturians who are described as once having seeded the Earth with their members and presumably peacefully coexisted with other races. According to Andrews: “In antiquity this planet was divided into sectors among four different groups: Blonds, Grays, large lizard-like beings from the Capella system, and beings from the Arcturus system”. (see Genesis 2:11-15 “rivers are likely genetic bloodlines – Listen close here Jesus loving brothers and sisters). Andrews goes on to describe the Arcturians as currently playing an “observer role” (does the word “watcher come to mind”?) in the current battle between extraterrestrial groups over Earth and her population. Collier describes Arcturians as also being one of the races interacting with the Earth and that they are “trying to help”.

Time for a Bible verse:

Job 38:32

32 Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons?

KJV

Wow. There’s that “sons” reference again. And guess what, it uses the same root word “baaneyhaa”. Well what do you know about that?

And they are worried about us and they are trying to help us. Are you kidding me? Why in the world would some wacky “human looking” aliens feel sorry for us here on earth and want to help? Could they be planning to help us? Are they already helping us? What might be their mission? What could be their “motivation”?

BRACE YOURSELF

Here is the Jesus filled version of the real Orion Wars story. And you can take it or leave it. But one thing is for sure, not a day goes by that I don’t get a call from someone flipping out because they found yet another set of Bible verses and scriptural paragraphs that confirm this “three ways to Sunday”.

Get over your anger.It is not what that book tries to teach is it? I merely suggested that I could not relate to it.Lots of things have happened since then and perhaps I would relate better now. However it was around $30.00 in stores near me.$30.00 is a lot when you can get it free at the library.
As far as the post from the Hindu person, very well done and informative! I do respect what you have said.
The important thing is we remember different strokes for different folks.
I have heard Jesus described as an Avatar, otherworldly Master from elsewhere who came here to help.And that does fit also.
No need to be angry because I did not dig the book.There will be many who don't understand it.
IT is better to bless and love than go ballistic over your fave book.
I personally am turned off by any book that starts out hinting that you must be very enlightened to be reading it.I have seen this done a number of times and it is a blatant appeal to our ego and pride.
Enlightenment is not always found in books, but rather can be found all around us if you are open to it. I also look for who is publishing and who is the author and neither one was so apparent.

Again just my experience of the book.No need to be angry unless you feel rejected by others rejecting the book.Has it impacted your life in a good way?

UNIVERSE ASCENSION OF PLANET URANTIA

In the last Q-A Paper #97 it was stated that the universe of worlds operates under the strict principles of Spirits of Truth and Morality while allowing free-willed but accountable choices to all universe inhabitants. The Divinity requires human evolutions to learn responsibility and accountability by making sustainable choices in order to earn their ascension in the universe’s school of life.

The basic universe spiritual principles have been repeatedly taught to Urantia’s humanity throughout the millennia. However, the planet Urantia of Uversa registry #5,342,482,337,666 still remains the universe spiritual laggard and at the bottom of the universal spiritual educational system. Urantians “dark elite” repeatedly refuse to implement the spiritual practices of the “Brotherhood of all Man under the Fatherhood of God” into their collective global practices while over-controlling and maintaining the human planetary evolution at a 2nd chakra Schuman’s ELF 7.83 Hz frequencies.

The humanity has been now informed that the Urantia’s frequencies will be accelerated to bring the planet to its expected place among its other universe evolutionary peers and for these reasons the planet will undergo required global changes. The Urantia’s main axial vortex frequency is being sped up thus allowing the separation and gradual breakdown of the lower 3D frequencies mater-realizations from the higher ones.



[link to www.lighttoparadise.com]



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Joint the group, the new earth's name is urantia.

The Orion Elohim Wars

Here is a synopsis of what happened. It may not be accepted by many so I am spoon feeding it out and the Holy Spirit will have to take it from there.

Many of us have heard of the Luciferian Rebellion and the Orion Wars. Well they are for real. The Enuma Elish speaks of them. The Van Alan Belt is a result of a planet being destroyed during those wars.

God is doing the same thing today as he did all through the Bible as well as through Jesus’ ministry. God does not come down in a space ship and fly around with a megaphone announcing new prophecies. And yes there are lots of prophets that are out there saying all sorts of “stuff”.

They key to understanding if a prophet it tracking with the LORD includes 1) Does it TRACK with scriptural confirmation? 2) Does it make sense both spiritually and SCIENTIFICALLY (God created science .. “get it”?), and 3) Can you accept the new frame of reference and 4) Can you confirm the prophetic allegations through other sources, Books, Lectures, DVDs, others?

Then you take the “information” and research (Borean) the scripture for confirmations and you pray and praise a LOT!

Over the last 6 months, God has both “troubled me” with the Gen 1 vs. Gen 2 struggle, and THEN he “coincidently” sends me “stuff” that miraculously just comes either into my email or through a phone call etc. These are things that happen at the most unreal times that simply cannot be only coincidence. There are WAY too many of them and I often say balderdash and move on in disbelief. And then it happens AGAIN.

Here goes.

God has a smorgasborg of life forms all throughout the galaxies. Our minds are too tiny to understand this because we are self centered beings (no surprise there). Our arrogance is so enormous it shatters the minds of the humble.

There are other ”earth like planets” all over the place. There are all kinds of fascinating life forms. (Just like in Star Trek). It’s George Lucas at his finest. That’s not science fiction, that’s science FACT. With out tiny arrogant minds, we ASSUME that we are “IT” while at he same time we hear stories of UFOs all over the place. We hear testimony of more than 58 different species of “aliens” the Military has documented from highly reputable sources. And we ALWAYS assume they must all be DEMONS because thats the easy way to explain it. I am guilty of this myself. But that is “not necessarily” the case. The Universe is far to large. And GOD is far too fabulous. So how do you explain all this? Once you know the secret, its actually AMAZING.

Let’s start by examining the REAL interpretation of Genesis One verse One
“From aforetime, manifold ehlohim, had (past tense) created the expanse and its matter”

Manifold means “of many different kinds”. Elohim is plural and means “minor gods”. From aforetime means “before the Heavens and the Earth, as we know it today even existed. WOW. There are millions of years (minimum) that occurred between the first two verses of Genesis (see the article entiteld “You Can’t Handle the Truth“)

God does not always create things directly. He has an entire trillion entity “workforce” that “seeds” the Universe with the power that HE gives them (search “seed” in Isaiah). This is precisely what the Baptism of Fire was. It was an endowment of power given to us to DO STUFF for God and not have to come to him for every little thing. This is how God operates. He “vests” power into his beings (sons) to work on behalf of the Godhead.

And the Heavenly beings (those that work for God directly), are known as Sons of God (or angels), and they have assignments. The Cherubim are the “Job Foremen”. They are the “Covering Angels”. The Seraphim are mostly assigned back office duties, book keeping, record keeping but get assigned other duties as well.

AND THEN there are the Ophannim.

The Ophannim are specialized “creator elohim” that are given “seeding powers” to create life forms all over the Universe. They travel in organized groups with missions. The Ophannim came to earth to “seed it” millions of years ago. LONG before Adam was created. But Lucifer, a covering Cherubim got into a position called the Morning Star (office, or group) and started to stick his nose into stuff that he had no business doing.

This resulted in a corruption of the “seeding” activities on a grand scale (think dinosaurs). The Ophannim, at the back office located in Arcturus, got wind that things were running a muck in the earth seeding project, and it started the ORION WARS.

The Orion Wars were actually Ophannim fighting Ophannim (ref. to Daniel fighting the Prince of Persia). Lucifer was heavily involved with the earth seeding Ophannim.

GOD GOT ANGRY. He was extremely upset that this war started. Michael the Arc Angel and his troops were sent out to put a stop to the War (see Rev 12:7). The War Ended.

The Seven Spirits of Revelation (which is reportedly the Supreme Court of the Universe), handed down the judgement. The Judgement was that the Ophannim elohim that started the war (the earth seeders), had to “enter the flesh” of the humans they were creating and live a life as a TEST to see if they were worthy to be ressurrected into the Heavens to “rule and reign” again with Jesus and go back to their pior positions.

This is WHY JESUS came down in the Flesh. It was a DNA Salvage and Rescue Mission. He WANTS his “elite team” of Ophannim BACK!! And he knows that Lucifer and his alien-demons are messing with our DNA, infecting us with Demons, and doing everything they can, to kill off the Ophannim that were willing to come back to God by ”accepting the judgement” and taking on human form in the flesh.

JESUS DID THIS EXACT SAME THING TO PROVE A POINT

The Ophannim that refused the judgement are aliens / demons / fallen angels. And yes they are working with Lucifer just as the Bible says.

We ARE Sons of God. Sons of God are all Gods’ Heavenly Front Office workers. Sons of God are everyone that works on behalf of the Almight Most High. Or, if you wish, you may call them Angels. Its another generic term used.

We are good Sons of God, that Jesus Knew before the foundation of the World. (predestination)

JESUS WANTS US BACK
WE ARE HIS ELITE
HE GAVE HIS LIFE TO SALVAGE OUR CORRUPTED BLOOD
WE BELONG TO HIM
WE BELONGED TO HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE WORLD
HE IS COMING BACK TO PICK UP HIS CHILDREN
GET SAVED, GIVE YOUR LIFE TO JESUS,
AND
GET YOUR BUS TICKET OFF
THIS FORESAKEN EARTH IN JESUS NAME!
GOD’S GOING TO BLOW THIS POP-STAND INTO OBLIVION
YOU DON’T WANT TO BE HERE

Thus says the Lord

Behold, I reveal a mystery concerning those chosen and those sent, these who must remain and gather and shout The Lord’s proclamation. These shall be left according to the perception of men who remain upon the earth, yet taken according to those who are changed and come to know My dwelling place. Such is the way and power of The Lord, for those who come to live in Me and move within My own Spirit. The righteous shall be hidden for a week, until the Day is done. And the elect and chosen, the special offering, in number 144,000, these shall be taken, yet in the same moment, left... They shall not be hidden, though they move amongst the multitude, seen and unseen, heard and rejected. For these must also be changed, or how shall I send them and how shall they go for Me? And by what means shall they endure, as one who death stalks as the prey?... For as it is and was written, “Unless the days were shortened, no flesh would be saved”.



Therefore, these men, My servants and vine dressers,
The husbandmen of the Great and Dreadful Day of The Lord,
Shall by no means be given up as lambs to the slaughter...

They shall all be mighty men, even as young lions, roaring... Yea, with a resounding roar!...

Roaring in the midst of this evil generation, this wicked multitude,
Who hate My name and the sound of My coming.



Yet to the wild wheat, the broken and refined wheat, those ripe for the second harvest...

To them, My witnesses shall be as a welcomed rain during a ten-year drought,
As singing doves set on a high branch, beckoning all who hear to spy them out.



Yes, these shall be left in the Day of The Lord,
To guide all who yet grovel in the dark, seeking a foothold...

To them they shall be as a beacon, one who is able to see clearly though night has fallen.



And how can they be both left and taken, you ask...

They shall be even as a rose in full bloom,
Both uprooted and replanted in one swift stroke, says The Lord.





Therefore beloved, trust in Me...

Run not ahead, nor lag behind...

Take My hand, embrace Me tightly...


The storm has come.

Removed my post OP? You're a disgrace.

Just like the church. Suppress the truth.

Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja :
Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another.



Srila Bhakti Dayita Madhava Maharaja :
Although steadfastness or firm belief in God (Nistha) according to some particular faith and eligibility of the individual is congenial for healthy spiritual growth of every individual, religious bigotry which begets enmity is condemnable, as it is against the real interest of the individual and society. Real religion teaches love for one another.



big·ot·ry;
[big-uh-tree]
–noun, plural -ries.
1.
stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.


en·mi·ty
[en-mi-tee]
–noun, plural -ties.
a feeling or condition of hostility; hatred; ill will; animosity; antagonism.


You can't hide this message. This is the real truth to God.

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These are noting but lies!

The evil one has all the other religions fooled

There are 2 religions in the world

1 of the living God Jesus/Yahushua

All the others fall into satan/evil one

The eastern mysticism will not save you

the new age players will not save you

the aliens will not save you

the demons will not save you

The fallen ones started every other religion, in time you all will learn this

You can't fool someone with the eyes of knowledge.

There is no Evil Satan. There is only this material world of birth, death, old age, and disease and the karmic reactions we are all tangled in.

The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krishna is one without equal. He is the origin of all origins. He is Universal Father of Jesus.

Jesus did not preach your doctrine, Jesus preached the Jesusonian Gospel of the Urantia Book.

I don't believe in Aliens. In the Vedas it clearly states that all the planets in this Universe contain life, not just this earth, and that these planets are of the Devas and the Asuras. The Devas are the Adminstrative living entities of the Universe who are directly obeying the Will of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. The Asura's are demonic living entities who commit offenses to the Lord and are thus forced to suffer reincarnation in this world of Birth and Death, until they come in contact with the mercy of the lord. There is no eternal damnation.


Gaudiya-Vaishnavism [link to en.wikipedia.org] is not Eastern Mysticism. It's the religion established by the Supreme Personality of Godhead himself, Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu over 500 years ago in India. It is the religion of Universal Brotherhood and Divine love for all. That is the true nature of God.


The demons fear Vishnu, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, more than any. Vishnu, God, is above all the modes of material nature.


You're hateful pastors and religious books teach you that every religion is of the "fallen ones". But you are not even capable of looking at the content of something yourself, and discerning what truth is within it.


Your doctrine of Bigotry and Enmity will end, with the reign of the Holy Names of the lord which will last on this earth for another 10,000 years. You will see the movement of Krishna Chaitanya sweep the world off it's feet, and gather followers of every religion, every creed, every caste in Congregational Chanting of the Holy Names of the Lord.

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I know the coming deceiver you speak of, his name is maitreya

And all this is right out of the scriptures of truth

you will deceive the novice with your eastern mysticism, but you will never deceive believers in the Most High God

All else falls below him, and Jesus is the Creator Elohim of this universe

Jesus placed on this universe as a garment

I don't go into churches or talk to any pastors i follow the WAY just like the apostles did



Thus says The Lord, the Redeemer: I know you... I see deep into the hearts of men. I see among you a wild flock and a new flock, a lost flock, who, by great travail, shall escape the storm, though they be in the midst of it.

So listen and hear, and take heed... I have chosen. I have prepared My army, the watchmen. These shall be left behind, and to them shall the lost harken.

They shall guide you to the Kingdom. All cities shall fall, a great evil shall consume the land, but these I have left shall not fail. Though many fall and die on every side, these shall not fail.

They shall march, they shall not stumble, for I uphold them. And by the power of My arm shall they carry you, even through the eye of the storm shall they go... Behold My witnesses, 144,000, who shout My name and trumpet salvation in the face of adversity.

The winds shall blow, the earth shall quake, the cities shall burn, the towers shall fall. Lo, through the smoke of wickedness and the breath of the beast, they shall march free, undaunted, across the whole breath of the whole earth, to the place I will show them... Yea!

They shall mount up on the wings of eagles, with the power of God before them, and they shall hide the child who had no name, whose name shall be given, the remnant. Even for a time, times and the dividing of time, they shall abide in the wilderness; and The Lord, Himself, shall take them through the fire.

They shall be refined and tried unto a pure white gemstone. And The Lord, Himself, shall feed them and give them drink in the sanctuary of His mercy, until the end. Then shall they run. They shall run swiftly in the presence of The Holy One, the Prince. They shall not tire; neither shall their shoes, nor any of their apparel, wear out.

You didn't read anything I said so I won't continue reading any of the drivel you shall spew.


I did not say Maitreya.


I said Sri Krishna Chaitanya. He already came, he was here 500 years ago.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

He already spread his glories, he already created his temples and his devotees. His holy name is already being spread about the world.

His holy name will continue spreading across the entire globe, in every house hold on every continent for the next 10,000 years.


The Most High God is the Krishna. Krishna means "All Attractive" and only God is all attractive, so the name Krishna is fully describing God.

Jesus IS the creator of the universe, but he was empowered by Krishna. Jesus is an incarnation of Lord Brahma, the Eternal Son, who created this universe over 160 trillion years ago, and was the first recipient of the Vedas.


The Vedas are scriptures of truth. The Bible is scripture of Paul, who could not fully grasp the teachings of Jesus.



You claim to be such a great follower of Jesus, yet you and the church condone killing of Animals based off some excuses to satisfy your senses.

Thou shalt not kill.

Why do you not follow this simple rule that Jesus laid out?

Lord Jesus did not die on a cross for your sins. Lord Jesus came here to teach the Gospel of Kingdom of God, and Universal Brotherhood.

You are teaching the exact opposite, while Sri Krishna Chaitanya Mahaprabhu is also teaching Universal Brotherhood and the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.


Sri Krishna Chaitanya incarnated on this planet to extend the mercy that Lord Jesus had supplied.




You can twist and turn my words however you want, and you can quote as much Paulianity as you want, but you won't convince Jesus, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead that you are a true follower of the Jesusonian Gospel.

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Message to all new age players...


Thus says The Lord: All have sinned... There is none righteous... No, not one. Therefore, from the beginning The Lord your God has required sacrifice for sin and blood for atonement. Yet mankind would not be saved by the blood of rams and goats, nor lambs of the first year, though they have no blemish. Only the pure blood of a man, without sin, sent from God, could save mankind from themselves... Behold The Lamb of God, who was beaten and bruised, scourged and mocked and hung upon the tree, even the cross.



Thus says The Lord...

ONLY GOD MAY FORGIVE SINS!...

And I have forgotten them, though they be great in number,
Even beyond the number of the stars...

Yet The Lord your God has forgiven them in One Man,
Who bore them in His own body, though He has no part in sin of Himself,
Being The Son of Man, who is as The Father...

God in the flesh, Immanu El on earth.


Hear the word of The Lord...

Those under My wrath, who shall suffer My vengeance,
Cry out His name and be spared...

Jesus Christ The Lord, YAHUSHUA HAMASHIACH, is His name!



Deny Him, and you are lost and given up to judgment and death... The inheritance of the wicked and the followers of satan and his servant. The Lord is wrathful, The Lord is full of vengeance, yet His mercies are bountiful, if you, My children, would accept them.



The Book of Life is written, and is held in The Christ’s right hand...

He has the power to blot you from its pages and your part in life.


Embrace The Master, and He shall embrace you...

He is your Carpenter and Father...

He loves His children, with a love unfathomable.


Come, gather together in His name, and He will be amongst you...

And take you to be where I am.

“From the first day of the treaty that divides my city, Jerusalem and you enter the false Sabbath, I shall let no more rain of my spirit fall upon My peoples, but by you, Witness of Ephraim and the Witness of Judah. Woe to America, who cries out for the dead and lost of New York, while plotting great evil in Afghanistan,Iraq and the nations of the Middle East and my lands of Abraham.

“Arise O Spirit of Judgment, stir up the Four Winds and the Four Angels bound at the river Euphrates. I, the sovereign Lord will stir up the Assyrian, as archer and bend the bow of the princes of Ishmael. Your righteousness and duplicity, Daughters of Harlotry is transparent to these who follow the War God of Islam, in submission to the evil One.”

“Therefore, from the first day of the sacrifice in the Temple of Doom, Witness of Ephraim, I will stir the Angel of Judgments to cast Terrors upon the whole earth, to work their evil schemes. Then they will feel the grip of captivity in death camps. I have delivered them into their own leaders of the Synagogue of Satan, who compass round with every evil, plot, contract and sacrifice to ‘reach the greater good.’ They master evil for good, and swear to be the true inheritors of Israel, and are not, for I shall disown them as Janes and Jambre, foul priests of Eli, who brought forth false fire upon My Altar and my hearts of my people. They demanded their portion, and would not relent from calling me forth to rebuke their blasphemies.”

“Now see as the Mother Harlot and Daughters of Harlotry, draw up hatred as a net for Islam. America, Israel and allies of the False Prophet, Sons of the Dragon, conspire to turn those who might receive the Father in the Flesh, their messiah. Instead they allow destruction of their peoples to justify annihilation of their enemies, for lands and wealth.”

“The Peoples of Earth shall set up the Temple of the Abomination That Desolates My People. They will conspire a Covenant with Death, and a Seven will be designated with 1260 days designated for my Holy City to be trampled down by the hordes of the Whore Churches of Babylon.”

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Pre-Flood Abominations
Genetic Rivers and Mutations Galore

Has anyone ever asked themselves what it means when someone says “that witnessed to my spirit”? We’ve been taught our whole “Christian” lives, that the “spirit” will “bear witness”. For those of us who believe we are Born Again under the Blood of Christ, there is this understanding that the Holy Spirit will bear witness to us in matters of the Kingdom of Heaven. But is this witness foolproof? Or can it be “interfered with” by other doctrine and teachings from our past.

Time for a Bible verse or two:

Luke 8:17-18

17 For nothing is secret that will not be revealed, nor anything hidden that will not be known and come to light. 18 Therefore take heed how you hear. For whoever has, to him more will be given; and whoever does not have, even what he seems to have will be taken from him.”

NKJV

Now admittedly I am still learning to hear God’s voice. On Monday I stood outside in the street on a dark rainy morning with my arms raised to the sky in tears, saying “Lord, they stole everything from you”. And I heard in a still small voice “I have abandoned the churches”. It made me cry even more. This entire last weekend was full of both gut wrenching sadness and astonishing joy, as various people helped me to understand how this information has witnessed to them and how it has completely changed their perception of how important we are to Jesus.

So back to Luke 8:17-18. ”For nothing is secret that will not be revealed”. Ask yourself this question. Do you believe that when God reveals these “mysteries” that everyone will be included? Do you believe the G20 will make an announcement that hybrid creatures existed before Noah’s flood? Certainly not. Again, I ask you, is God going to announce to the Nations these mysteries with a megaphone from a gigantic jade colored flying “cloud of heaven”? Nope. Why is it that Jeremiah was known as the sad prophet? Wasn’t Jeremiah ”one person”? How many people do you think Jeremiah was supposed to get the word out too? Didn’t the news of Jesus Christ, spread throughout the world from a tiny group of early witnesses known as apostles and disciples?

Is it even remotely possible that God will use “Oracles and Seers” today just as He has all along? Sure makes you think, doesn’t it?

Again back to Luke 8:17-18.

Luke 8:18

Therefore take heed how you hear. For whoever has, to him more will be given;

NKJV

For those of us who want to have minds like children in order to make it into Heaven, this is a particularly powerful statement coming from our King. “Take heed HOW you hear”. What do you suppose that means? Could this mean that you must be super careful to not discredit things because they don’t resonate with your prior understanding? Doesn’t this statement imply that if you aren’t incredibly humble (how you approach new information given out in the “very end”), that you are “likely” to miss critical new revelations?

But then!

Luke 8:18

and whoever does not have, even what he seems to have will be taken from him.”

NKJV

Gad! So here it appears that when someone fails to “grasp” the “new information” being presented by God, that He will not only “let them believe what they want to believe” but He will even allow them to get sucked into a vortex of lesser understanding. Wow. Is that because God Himself “SENDS” a “Strong Delusion”? I’ve always wondered why God Himself sends a “strong delusion”. Isn’t he on our side?

2 Thess 2:11-12

11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

NKJV

Hmmm. I wonder who this “strong delusion” applies too. Many of us believe that we have much of this scary end-times stuff figured out and we are “at the ready”. And in Jesus name, I pray that we are. Not a day goes by that I don’t pray “Father, in the Name of Jesus, I pray I am found worthy to escape these things and Stand before the Son of Man”.

Could it be that because most of the world “has pleasure in unrighteousness” that God is reaching a boiling point? Why do you suppose God is going to destroy the “Heavens” and the “Earth”? What is coming is not another flood. He is going to “wipe things out” completely.

Well I did reproduce which has zelch to do with mind. You ones who write this shit about me have the bat shit problem. believe ME I have the medical records to prove my situation. And I walk in this body which is further proof. The problem is the body, not my mind.

Now as to bat shit problems, it is you ones who are deliberately interferring with God's work and the ascension of the planet and her peoples that have the bat shit MENTAL problems. You cannot keep this planet, it is her choice to move up, she is a free being. Enjoy your new prison world when you move there, because those not ready are moving. Many of you thugs will get to be cave men all over again. Carefully ponder that one.


Also please make up a list of the fiction I have read and the TV shows I have seen, because I got exactly NONE of this from any such source.

Be Prepared for July
Space Shuttle, Comets, and “Take Off”

Glory be to Jesus the King of Kings. Worthy is the Lamb of GOD!!

Hallelujah!!

How many little children who watch “Sponge Bob Square Pants” know about the history of the Black Sun? Do you? Very few people do. The “Black Sun” is an extremely ancient symbol that dates back to the very foundations of the earth. Yep. The more you track back the history of the Black Sun, the further you go. Indeed if you research it enough, it tracks all the way back to the “cosmos”. It’s not “just” an occult symbol, it has origins that arguably pre-date the history of earth.

The Black Sun symbol comes in many shapes and sizes. If you search on the term “Black Sun” you will find everything from geometric symetrical patterns that show jagged “ray like” images, to the more simple version known best as the “Nazi Swastika”. Here is a link to the Black Sun article on Wikipedia HERE.

Did you know that the Black Sun is also depicted in the architecture of the Denver Airport when viewed from the sky? Yep. Never mind the Denver airport is arguably one of the most dark occult locations in the world. Never mind the Denver airport has underground bunkers (cities) fortified for the elite to hide out in. Never mind there are wall murals in the Denver airport of the apocalypse. But just LOOK at the symbolism of the airport in this article on Tribulation-Now entitled:

Alien-Demon Breeding Facility:
[link to www.tribulation-now.org]

Did you also know that …
The Black Sun
is
also the symbol
for
PLANET X!

The Strong Delusion Hypothesis

Everyone seems to agree it is likely the “strong delusion” will include these “alien-demon-fallen-angel” freaks putting on a spectacular and horrific show to those on the earth. This is probably so. However, like many things we “believe”, it is still … only a “hypothesis”. Maybe these “fallen elohim abominations” will come down in a “space ship” and create a “lying wonder” temple on Mount Moriah in a couple days to PROVE to us that THEY are GOD.

And what exactly is a “lying wonder” anyway? Does this imply that the “wonder” itself is faked? Or does this imply that the implication of the supernatural wonder, is a lie? Hmmm. I expect they will do things before the eyes of the “unrighteous” and the “elect” that will be utterly unbelievable. However there is no doubt their mission will be to “perpetuate” the ultimate lie of all time.

They will “prove” to the World, that ”they” are our “creators” and that YHWH God was only one of the Four and Twenty Elders, and Jesus was a “specialized Avatar prophet” no more significant than their other forgeries throughout history.

Metaphors and Supernatural Things Galore

Unbelief Abounds

I wonder sometimes why God spoke in symbolism and metaphors so much. I also used to wonder why Jesus spoke in parables so much. This takes us back to the paradigm of “the spirit bearing witness”. Could it be that the “spirit will bear witness” to only those with the mind of a child? What exactly is unbelief anyway? Unbelief is a SIN. Every day I pray to the Lord, “Father, helpsts thou mine unbelief”. After 30+ years of Pentecostal “esque” upbringing, this has been a long hard journey of “unbelief”. More than 6 years of research and tossing aside anything that was “UFO” related took it’s toll on me. But eventually, I realized what and who they are and it changed everything.

This web site is an “on line diary” of sorts. If all 200+ articles are read from beginning to end in order, its obvious when I started this “diary” I had no idea what was really going on. And now ….

So it sure seems to me that “the spirit bearing witness” happens ONLY when someone tosses out their preconceived notions and humbly opens their mind to supernatural (or never before understood) possibilities. Even Jesus “didn’t do many miracles there” due to “their unbelief”. Remember that verse?

I don't want to keep this planet. I want to go home and be with God and Jesus; to be returned to my original estate.