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The New Revelations: A Conversation with God

 
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God requires and desires of us to separate ourselves from sin and defilement that He may transform us into creatures who radiate His love. This is not a message of hate, it is a message of love for a world which is dying on account of their sins. He wants to save us from our sins that we may live in a sinless, painless, and deathless world with Him, enjoying everything that He has created for us in this universe.
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Only the very last part of that is true, God does want us to enjoy this universe He has created, and it's religion, that keeps us from doing just that. It separates us from the source, and from what knowing what real joy and happiness is.

It is meant to keep us in line, to bind us, not to free.
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Don't follow religion. Follow His Word.
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But His word, is just as much a part of religion as all the rest of it is. In fact.....of all the different churches that exist in Christianity, of all the different denominations, they tend to have that one thing in common. The Bible. I don't think this is coincidence.
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The problem is that virtually none of them follow the Bible. This is why 99% of Christians are hypocrites.

Most religions twist what the Bible say to fit their own agendas and beliefs. This is not what God intended.

However, once you begin to study the Word diligently, and begin to commune with God, you will see that the Bible explains itself and you will see that the Christianity that the Bible describes is much, much different than the hypocritical Christian world makes it seem to be.
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Jesus is the ONLY way, the only path, to God.
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I understand that the Bible confirms this message, but am merely pointing out that there are other Holy Books out there in the world. If there is One God, and I hope we can agree on that, would it not make sense that other Holy Texts are referring to the same Creator?

I ask you to re-read the following passage I posted earlier:

NDW: Why would I want to read this book when I've already been told by True Believers that all the answers are in the other books -- the books that they are telling me to heed?

GOD: Because you have not heeded them.

NDW: Yes, we have. We believe that we have.

GOD: That's why you now need help. You believe that you have, but you have not.

You keep saying that your Holy Book (your cultures have many different ones) is what has given you the authority to treat each other the way you are treating each other, to do what you are doing.

You are able to say that only because you have not really listened to the deeper message of these books. You have read them, but you have not really listened to them.


NDW: But we have. We are doing what they say we should be doing?

GOD: No. You are doing what YOU say that they say you should be doing.

NDW: What does that mean?

GOD: It means that the basic message of all the sacred scriptures is the same. What is different is how human beings have been interpreting them.

There is nothing "wrong" with having different interpretations. What may not benefit you, however, is separating yourself over these differences, making each other wrong because of these differences, and killing each other as a result of these differences.

This is what you are now doing.

It is what you have been doing for quite some time. You cannot agree even within a particular group of you, much less between groups, about what a particular books says and what it means, and you use these disagreements as justifications for slaughter.

You argue among yourselves about what the Qur'an says, and about what its words mean. You argue among yourselves about what the Bible says, and about what its words mean. You argue among yourselves about what the Veda says, what the Bhagavad-Gita says, what the Lun-yu says, what the Pali Canon says, what the Tao-te Ching says, what the Talmud says, what the Hadith says, what the Book of Mormon says...

And what of the Upanishad, the I Ching, the Adi Granth, the Mahabharata, the Yoga-sutras, the Mathnawi, the Kojiki?


NDW: Okay, we get the point.

GOD: No, actually, you don't. And that's the point. The point is, there are many holy writings and sacred scriptures, and you act as if there is only one.

It is your sacred scripture that is really sacred. All the rest are poor substitutes at best, and blasphemies at worst.

Not only is there only one Sacred Scripture, there is also only one way to interpret that Scripture: your way.

This spiritual arrogance is what has caused you your greatest sorrow as a species. You have suffered more -- and caused other people to suffer more -- over your ideas about God than over your ideas about anything else in the human experience.

You have turned the source of the greatest joy into the source of your greatest pain.


NDW: That's crazy. Why is that? Why have we done that?

GOD: Because there is one thing for which human beings seem willing to give up everything.

They will give up love, they will give up peace, they will give up health, harmony, and happiness, they will give up safety, security, and even their sanity, for this one thing.


NDW: What?

GOD: Being right.

You are willing to give up everything you've ever worked for, everything you've ever wanted, everything you've ever created, in order to be "right."


Indeed, for this you are willing to give up Life itself.


"Not only is there only one Sacred Scripture, there is also only one way to interpret that Scripture: your way."

I think this quote explains what I've come to understand about my spiritual path. We both may have different methods of praying, studying, communicating, and finding God, but I believe we are both God's Children nonetheless and that it is what is in our hearts that matters most.

From The New Revelations, pages 53-54:

NDW: But I am curious. What would you say to people who assert that following the words of their Holy Scripture verbatim, and interpreting them literally, is the only way?

GOD: I would ask them to notice that these words were written at a different time and in a very different kind of place and circumstance. I would observe that, while these teachings were based on a firm set of principles, to now interpret their words literally, rather than seek to understand the underlying principle that they reveal, could lead, at the very least, to misunderstanding, and, in the worst case, to a loss of the original wisdom in which they were grounded.

I would invite humans to explore whether they might derive more benefit from the original teachings of all faith traditions if those teachings were contextualized within the framework of a continually evolving society.


NDW: In other words, remain open to the possibility of new interpretations that might allow us to better apply ancient wisdom to contemporary life.

GOD: Exactly.
Yet in the end I would say to people everywhere:
Believe as you wish, follow your heart and your soul where it leads you, but do not seek to impose your views on others -- and certainly do not seek to do so by force.


NDW: Yet what if they still insisted that their way is the only "right way" to live? And what if they believe that they are required to make others live in the same way?

GOD: I would ask, "Who is doing the requiring?"

NDW: And if they answered, "God"--?

GOD: I would say, "You've got me all wrong. I am not asking you to do that. I am not requiring you to do that. I would never give Free Will to people just so you could take it away from them.

NDW: That is a powerful statement. It is very impactful, because even radical fundamentalists believe in the doctrine of Free Will.


>>> 4) Therefore, God requires nothing of anyone or anything in the universe.

Posting this and then saying that you profess to have accepted Jesus Christ is a 100% contradiction.
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How can you say that I have not accepted Jesus Christ? I told you previously that I have. I believe in Him and have repented sincerely in my own way, to the best of my ability.

I think it is important that we do not judge or condemn each other's relationship with Christ and God.

In reference to the quote, you actually took out the first portion of that statement:

4) God needs nothing. God requires nothing in order to be happy. God is happiness itself. Therefore, God requires nothing of anyone or anything in the universe.

I believe this to be accurate. He does not "require" or "need" anything from us. However, we each have the Free Will to seek and connect with God, just as we have the Free Will to do the opposite.


>>> 5) God... has no need to seek revenge or impose punishment.


God does NEED to destroy sin at the final judgement that we may live in a universe of peace. He will take no pleasure in it but it is something that His justice demands.
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Again, you have chopped the quote down to fit your needs.

In full:

5) God is not a singular Super Being, living somewhere in the Universe or outside of it, having the same emotional needs and subject to the same emotional turmoil as humans. That Which Is God cannot be hurt or damaged in any way, and so, has no need to seek revenge or impose punishment.

If God "needs" to destroy sin, He will do so because it is His Will, and has nothing to do with our wills. Personally, I believe the Bible to be accurate and truth, and I am fairly familiar in its revelations regarding the End Times.

Currently, I am very much enjoying Chosen: End Times Truths Revealed by Diana Akroyd.

>>> 7) There is no such thing as Right and Wrong. There is only What Works and What Does Not Work, depending upon what it is that you seek to be, do or have.

If there is no such thing as right and wrong then Jesus Christ is not necessary, the very person you profess to believe in.

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Can you provide a list of what defines Right and Wrong? Examples from Scripture? I believe the definitions of "right" and "wrong" mostly comes from our own egos.

I'd like to quote Yoda: "Do or do not. There is no try."

>>> 8) You are not your body. Who you are is limitless and without end.

"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's." 1 Corinthians 6:19,20
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I don't see how these contradict each other. I believe they support each other actually. We are all God's Children, and our spirits are limitless and without end. I believe this is to point out that there is more to life than this third dimensional existence.

>>> 9) You cannot die, and you will never be condemned to eternal damnation.

This is the VERY FIRST LIE of satan by which sin entered this world. "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die." Genesis 3:4

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment." Hebrews 9:27

I have only begun to scratch the surface of this demonic deception. Come back to the light friend.
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I believe that God is Merciful and Forgiving. For all beings that are sent to the Orange Plane before, during, and after The Great Tribulation, I still believe they would have all have a chance to leave that plane if they truly willed to. It is truly up to God only to judge those beings when that time comes.

Perhaps we are both here to learn something from each other? I sincerely respect you and your posts, so let us both continue this revealing discussion amiably.
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5) God is not a singular Super Being, living somewhere in the Universe or outside of it, having the same emotional needs and subject to the same emotional turmoil as humans. That Which Is God cannot be hurt or damaged in any way, and so, has no need to seek revenge or impose punishment.

If God "needs" to destroy sin, He will do so because it is His Will, and has nothing to do with our wills. Personally, I believe the Bible to be accurate and truth, and I am fairly familiar in its revelations regarding the End Times.
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Dixie, I think you are on the right track here, but I would like to pose something to you if I may. If how God is mentioned in the above is accurate, then why would He desire to destroy anything or anyone? In fact to that end, if He won't seek revenge or impose punishment, does it make sense that anything we do here could even be classified as sin?
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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I would like to share with you some of the knowledge and wisdom found in The New Revelations: A Conversation with God. (by Neale Donald Walsch)

On page 39, God states: "The purpose of this dialogue is to awaken people and to heal the world. That will both help and serve."

From page 47:

NDW: How can we ask the world to heal itself when organized religion -- the very institution that was meant to provide that healing -- does nothing but inflict more and more damage, open wider and wider the wound, spread further and further its righteous indignation, its non-acceptance, its utter disdain, its total intolerance?

GOD: Yet how can you blame religion if religions believe in a God who does exactly the same thing?

It is your understanding of God that is the main problem.
I will say again, so that you cannot miss it...the problem confronting humanity today is spiritual.
You do not understand who you are. You do not understand who God is. You do not understand that love is the basis of all life, nor can you comprehend a love that is unconditional.

You imagine that God is a small, petty, jealous deity who says to people bowed in prayer, "Sorry, it's my way or the highway. Your prayer I hear. Your prayer I don't, because you didn't do it right. You did not please me."

In this you turn me into a replica of the worst of humanity.

You claim that you are striving to be God-like in your lives...and if this is the God you are striving to be like, you have succeeded brilliantly.

You may thank organized religion for teaching you how.


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According to The New Revelations, the following beliefs about God and life are fallacies that create crisis, violence, killing and war:


5 Fallacies About God

1) Humans believe that God needs something.

2) Humans believe that God can fail to get what He needs.

3) Humans believe that God has separated them from Him because they have not given Him what He needs.

4) Humans believe that God still needs what He needs so badly that God now requires them, from their separated position, to give it to Him.

5) Humans believe that God will destroy them if they do not meet His requirements.


5 Fallacies About Life

1) Human beings are separate from each other.

2) There is not enough of what human beings need to be happy.

3) To get the stuff of which there is not enough, human beings must compete with each other.

4) Some human beings are better than other human beings.

5) It is appropriate for human beings to resolve severe differences created by all the other fallacies by killing each other.


5 Steps To Peace

The New Revelations invites readers to take the Five Steps to Peace. In taking these steps, readers would:

1) Acknowledge that some of their old beliefs about God and about Life are no longer working.

2) Acknowledge that there is something they do not understand about God and about Life, the understanding of which will change everything.

3) Be willing for a new understanding of God and Life to now be brought forth, an understanding that could produce a new way of life on the earth.

4) Be courageous enough to explore and examine this new understanding, and, if it aligns with their inner truth and knowing, to enlarge their belief system to include it.

5) Live their lives as demonstrations of their highest and grandest beliefs, rather than as denials of them.

Nine New Revelations

The new revelations are contained in a series of nine statements that the book offers for readers to consider as they explore the possibility of changing their present beliefs about God and about Life.

These nine statements are:

1) God has never stopped communicating directly with human beings. God has been communicating with and through human beings from the beginning of time. God does so today.

2) Every human being is as special as every other human being who has ever lived, lives now, or ever will live. You are all messengers. Every one of you. You are carrying a message to life about life every day. Every hour. Every moment.

3) No path to God is more direct than any other path. No religion is the “one true religion”, no people are “the chosen people”, and no prophet is the “greatest prophet.”

4) God needs nothing. God requires nothing in order to be happy. God is happiness itself. Therefore, God requires nothing of anyone or anything in the universe.

5) God is not a singular Super Being, living somewhere in the Universe or outside of it, having the same emotional needs and subject to the same emotional turmoil as humans. That Which Is God cannot be hurt or damaged in any way, and so, has no need to seek revenge or impose punishment.

6) All things are One Thing. There is only One Thing, and all things are part of the One Thing That Is.

7) There is no such thing as Right and Wrong. There is only What Works and What Does Not Work, depending upon what it is that you seek to be, do or have.

8) You are not your body. Who you are is limitless and without end.

9) You cannot die, and you will never be condemned to eternal damnation.

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I hope this information is helpful for others. There is much more contained within the book that will provide a clear understanding of all these messages, in their proper context.

[link to aboq.org]

I would highly recommend looking into acquiring a copy of this book, Amazon has it for $14, shipped.

[link to www.amazon.com]

Thank you for letting me share!

red_heart
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The Bible does say God is a "Jealous God."
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The problem is that virtually none of them follow the Bible. This is why 99% of Christians are hypocrites.

Most religions twist what the Bible say to fit their own agendas and beliefs. This is not what God intended.

However, once you begin to study the Word diligently, and begin to commune with God, you will see that the Bible explains itself and you will see that the Christianity that the Bible describes is much, much different than the hypocritical Christian world makes it seem to be.
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Yes, it would be even more evil than it is now. Which is frightening to contemplate, really.

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5) God is not a singular Super Being, living somewhere in the Universe or outside of it, having the same emotional needs and subject to the same emotional turmoil as humans. That Which Is God cannot be hurt or damaged in any way, and so, has no need to seek revenge or impose punishment.

If God "needs" to destroy sin, He will do so because it is His Will, and has nothing to do with our wills. Personally, I believe the Bible to be accurate and truth, and I am fairly familiar in its revelations regarding the End Times.
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Dixie, I think you are on the right track here, but I would like to pose something to you if I may. If how God is mentioned in the above is accurate, then why would He desire to destroy anything or anyone? In fact to that end, if He won't seek revenge or impose punishment, does it make sense that anything we do here could even be classified as sin?
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I think you may be right. If we take sin in its original meaning, "to miss the mark", this is similar to What Works vs. What Does Not Work.

I do believe that ever since Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that humans have lost their state of Perfection: a state of unconditional love, constant connection to God, void of death, illness, or negativity.

I believe that the coming Kingdom of Christ or Heaven on Earth will be soundly founded on these ideals of Perfection as Mother Earth herself ascends in the coming years.

This is why the "destruction" of the old (collective consciousness) is necessary to usher in the new. While we may perceive it as destroying, perhaps it is the only way that this can be accomplished.

Regardless, I trust in God and welcome these changes. I believe that I have reincarnated in this lifetime for a specific purpose, unbeknown to me now, that will be revealed in time.

We live in the most exciting time in human history and I am very grateful to be a part of it!

Thank you for your insightful comments and I look forward to continuing this discussion!
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5) God is not a singular Super Being, living somewhere in the Universe or outside of it, having the same emotional needs and subject to the same emotional turmoil as humans. That Which Is God cannot be hurt or damaged in any way, and so, has no need to seek revenge or impose punishment.

If God "needs" to destroy sin, He will do so because it is His Will, and has nothing to do with our wills. Personally, I believe the Bible to be accurate and truth, and I am fairly familiar in its revelations regarding the End Times.
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Dixie, I think you are on the right track here, but I would like to pose something to you if I may. If how God is mentioned in the above is accurate, then why would He desire to destroy anything or anyone? In fact to that end, if He won't seek revenge or impose punishment, does it make sense that anything we do here could even be classified as sin?
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I think you may be right. If we take sin in its original meaning, "to miss the mark", this is similar to What Works vs. What Does Not Work.

I do believe that ever since Adam and Eve ate from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that humans have lost their state of Perfection: a state of unconditional love, constant connection to God, void of death, illness, or negativity.
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Did you see how Adam and Eve and the whole concept of "original sin" is referred to in the book? That is to say that......what is commonly called as original sin really did was free us to make choices for ourselves in essence, to truly experience this life, as God wanted us to. In order to really experience, you need that duality, good and bad, without it there is no experience to speak of. How can you know true love without having the opposite exist for example?
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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In order to really experience, you need that duality, good and bad, without it there is no experience to speak of. How can you know true love without having the opposite exist for example?
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As a Scorpio Sun, my experience has taught me exactly this.

Given the cosmic law of Free Will, I would agree that we are able to direct our experiences to both 'good' and 'bad', light and dark.

I also agree that we need to experience both in order to know what we wish to choose and strive to be.
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Do you not realize how this teaches hate and division? Would a truly loving creator wish this? No.
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God requires and desires of us to separate ourselves from sin and defilement that He may transform us into creatures who radiate His love. This is not a message of hate, it is a message of love for a world which is dying on account of their sins. He wants to save us from our sins that we may live in a sinless, painless, and deathless world with Him, enjoying everything that He has created for us in this universe.
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Only the very last part of that is true, God does want us to enjoy this universe He has created, and it's religion, that keeps us from doing just that. It separates us from the source, and from what knowing what real joy and happiness is.

It is meant to keep us in line, to bind us, not to free.
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Don't follow religion. Follow His Word.
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Give one example of how you "Follow His Word."
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From The New Revelations, pages 149 - 156:

GOD: Now I tell you this: Humans have used the announcement that it is God's Will as an excuse to rationalize and justfiy the most barbaric behaviors you could ever have imagined, the most unfair behaviors you could ever have contrived, the most ungodly behaviors you could ever have foisted on unsuspecting and innocent people.

You have used these behaviors to get your way, not God's way.

I tell you, you must move away from your Old Ideas of "God's way" and move into a New Experience of Divinity if you ever want to see peace on Earth.

You have said that your interests and God's interests are not the same, and that this is obvious. Yet now I have come to tell you that God's interests and human interests are not divergent, but are identical. The fact that you do not see them as one is what is causing problems.

So long as you insist that you must serve God's interests rather than human interests, you give yourself permission to define God's interests as you wish. And you do so -- according to your own beliefs about God and what God wants and expects.

Humanity's interests cannot be so easily ill-defined, for humanity's interests are self-apparent.

The greatest interest of all humanity is Life. This is the greatest interest of God as well, but you claim otherwise.

You imagine that God has a greater interest than human life, and that is what allows you to waste it with impunity.

Pure humanism would never allow you to destroy life sanctimoniously. Only organized religion could justify such a travesty.


NDW: That is quite an indictment.

GOD: Indictment resides in your mind. It is part of your Guilty/Not Guilty, "right/wrong" mentality. What I have done is make an observation.

Observation is not judgment, and statement is not indictment. A statement of fact is just that, a recounting of what is so.

Observation is the "what's so" of any situation; judgment is the "so what?"

It is you who add the "so what?" to any set of facts. Nothing has any meaning save the meaning you give it.

It is you who decide whether "what's so" is "good" or "bad", "right" or "wrong," "okay" or "not okay," and you base this decision on your assessment of whether "what's so" works or does not work, depending upon what it is that you are choosing to be, do, or have.

The process of human witnessing, assessing, and choosing has always functioned this way, and it is circular.

You witness, assess, and choose, then witness the results of your choosing, assess that, and choose again, then witness again, assess again, and choose still one more time, in an ongoing cycle.

It is through this process that you decide Who You Really Are.

The constant making and remaking of this decision is what you call evolution.

The reason for the soul's having come to the body is to evolve. That is, to become a grander and grander version of itself.

This is the purpose of your life on Earth, and of life everywhere. Applying this process to that part of your life called religion has been hard for you because of the deep emotional attachments you have to your beliefs.

You have a deep emotional attachment to all of your beliefs, but your beliefs about religion have been particularly difficult to let go of. Therefore, the evolution of your religions has lagged far behind the evolution of your sciences, your technologies, your psychologies -- indeed, your understanding of every other aspect of life.

You have done the things you have been doing to each other in the name of religion because many of your present organized religions -- all well-meant, all well-intended, and most grounded in some sound spiritual principles -- are simply incomplete in their understandings.

Religion has not been allowed to grow.

Indeed, you will not let it grow. You claim that any new insight that contradicts or modifies the old is blasphemous and heretical. You claim that New Revelations are not possible. Your position is that everything there is to say has already been said, everything there is to know is already known, everything there is to understand is already understood.

Your desperate struggle to keep your species alive -- to stop its members from killing each other and from destroying all of life -- will not end, and it may wind up ending you, if you are unable to make one simple statement:

There is something I do not understand about God and about Life, the understanding of which will change everything.


NDW: We must take Step 2 in the Five Steps to Peace.

GOD: Yes. This is an essential and irreplaceable step, for only with a new understanding of Life and of God can humans construct a more workable and uniform code of conduct.

As things now stand, creating such a workable and uniform code is very difficult, because so many of you believe that your code of conduct comes from God, and is, therefore, the only one that should be followed.

The fact that most of the exclusivist religions of the world say this, and that the world's sacred laws are all different, doesn't matter to you. All of you believe that your code of conduct is the right code of conduct.

It is this righteousness that is your undoing.

Your worldwide community cannot function this way.

When your planet housed a group of smaller communities, most of them isolated and disconnected from each other, human beings could function that way. It wasn't a very smooth functioning, it often wasn't very happy, but the species at least survived.

Now you are a worldwide community, interconnected and interdependent. You are truly All One, whether you are ready to accept this belief or not.

Now, a disruption in one part of the community disrupts the whole. And so you are going to have to learn to act as one if you wish to survive.

This is something you have had very little practice doing. Many of you seem to think that "oneness" is, in fact, threatening. And so you continue your past behaviors, in which you allowed your differences to produce divisions, ignoring the fact that a house divided against itself cannot stand. You do not see yourself as being in the same house. So why bother to worry about divisions?


NDW: But does healing mean that we can no longer have different religions, or different ideas about how to experience God?

GOD: Of course not. It means only that you notice your Oneness.

Oneness does not mean sameness. Unity and individuality are not mutually exclusive. Differences do not have to mean divisions, and contrast does not have to lead to conflict.

Your fingers are not all the same. They look different, and they all have different functions. Yet they are all part of one hand, and both hands are part of one body.

Your nose looks not at all like your eyes, and your mouth bears no resemblance to your forehead. All of these have different functions. Yet they are part of one face -- the face you show the world.

Would you bite your nose to spite your face?

Why do you allow your religions to do so to the face of humanity?


NDW: I keep thinking about that newspaper article about those protesting Lutherans. They were not only upset that a Lutheran minister was praying with non-Christians, they were angry that he prayed with other Lutherans who simply belonged to a different Lutheran denomination! They said that this constituted "an egregious offense against the love of Christ."

GOD: And what do you think?

NDW: I can't imagine that God would think that. I don't want to have anything to do with a God who would think that. I want to run out and buy one of those bumper stickers that says...GOD SAVE ME FROM YOUR PEOPLE.

GOD: And yet it's important to remember that these behaviors are neither "right" nor "wrong," they simply no longer work. They do not function effectively, given that you say what you wish is to survive in peace and harmony.

Functional behavior is what is now desperately needed if life as you know it on Earth is to continue.


NDW: Right now our behaviors are woefully dysfunctional. We have created a completely dysfunctional society.

GOD: That is your witnessing, that is your assessment, and that is your choice.

NDW: No, it is not my choice. It is what I observe, but it is not what I choose.

GOD: Of course it is. You are choosing it every day, by failing to do anything about it.

NDW: That's not fair. What can I do? I can't be responsible for changing the entire planet this instant!

GOD: I will ask you again. If not now, when? If not you, who?
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I just finished this book, and must say, it is *VERY* worth the read.

I will post some of what I felt was important later this afternoon...

Just to refresh:

Nine New Revelations

1) God has never stopped communicating directly with human beings. God has been communicating with and through human beings from the beginning of time. God does so today.

2) Every human being is as special as every other human being who has ever lived, lives now, or ever will live. You are all messengers. Every one of you. You are carrying a message to life about life every day. Every hour. Every moment.

3) No path to God is more direct than any other path. No religion is the “one true religion”, no people are “the chosen people”, and no prophet is the “greatest prophet.”

4) God needs nothing. God requires nothing in order to be happy. God is happiness itself. Therefore, God requires nothing of anyone or anything in the universe.

5) God is not a singular Super Being, living somewhere in the Universe or outside of it, having the same emotional needs and subject to the same emotional turmoil as humans. That Which Is God cannot be hurt or damaged in any way, and so, has no need to seek revenge or impose punishment.

6) All things are One Thing. There is only One Thing, and all things are part of the One Thing That Is.

7) There is no such thing as Right and Wrong. There is only What Works and What Does Not Work, depending upon what it is that you seek to be, do or have.

8) You are not your body. Who you are is limitless and without end.

9) You cannot die, and you will never be condemned to eternal damnation.

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From The New Revelations, chapter 22, pages 244-263:

NDW: So in this New Spirituality that you keep talking about, we're to forget about morals, is that it?

GOD: "Morals" are a dangerous thing, precisely because they change from time to time across history, and from culture to culture across the planet.

The reason that they change is that they are based on beliefs that are fallacious, and what many people do when they discover that certain moral instructions don't work in real life is change their morals without changing the beliefs from which they emerged.

People adamantly refuse to change their most basic beliefs, but they change their morals (that is, how they apply their beliefs) at the drop of a hat, to suit the situation.

For example, most people hold a basic belief that God wants them to be honest. They then cheat on their taxes--and say it's okay.

"Everybody does it. It's expected."

They've refused to change their basic belief, but they've changed their morals (that is, how they apply their belief) at the drop of a hat, to suit the situation.

Yet if they change their morals, they have changed their beliefs, for morals are simply beliefs expressed. Therefore, they are hypocrites. They do not have beliefs at all. They simply want to believe that they have beliefs.

This makes them feel good, but it also makes the world crazy.


NDW: I think I see the same thing that you do, all over the place.

GOD: Of course you do. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

NDW: So you are saying that we should just throw out all morals.

GOD: You keep wanting to generalize, to come up with a thirty-second "sound bite," but that is not what I am saying.

What I am saying is that humans have created a social construction called "morals." I am explaining how your morals shift, even though you say they don't. I am observing that you won't acknowledge this, and so you become righteous.

It is your righteousness that is killing you.

You insist on labeling all errors of functionality matters of moral decay. This creates judgment, and judgment creates justification. By your judgments about whether a person or nation has behaved morally, you justify your response.

You call this response your "moral obligation." You claim that you are morally compelled to act in a certain way.

Your death penalty is a perfect example. You claim the moral code (or God's Law) of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth is justification for this punishment. It is not even about rendering society safe, because life imprisonment would accomplish that. No, it is a simple matter of evening the score, plain and clear.


NDW: Yes. We try to soften this edge by calling it justice, but there is a saying, "If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck." In this case it's a duck named Revenge.

GOD: But what if morals--which are moveable feasts in any event--were not part of the equation? What if the only question was functionality-- whether a particular action or reaction worked or did not work, based on what it is you were trying to be, do, or have?

Now you have an entirely different context within which to consider your response. Now you're looking at things in an entirely different way. Now you are "outside the box"--the box in which you have trapped yourselves as a species in a never-ending cycle of violence, destruction, and death.

So, to use the example above, does the death penalty do what you want it to do? Does it have functionality?

NDW: If the purpose of the penalty is to even the score, it does. Yet if the purpose of the penalty is to deter other crimes, it does not. Statistics clearly show that the states and nations using the death penalty the most have no lower crime rates than those using it the least.

What is this about? If the death penalty deters violent crime, why don't the rates go down and stay down?

GOD: Could it be that a society that practices violence in order to end violence has something a bit backward?

That is the problem with many "moral" justifications. They can breed insane behaviors. Your planet saw evidence of that on September 11, 2001.

Again.


NDW: Yet, if we don't rely on "morals" to tell us what is right and wrong--what to do and what not to do--on what do we rely?

GOD: Functionality.

NDW: There's that word again. I was wondering if we were going to get back to a deeper exploration of those Basic Principles of Life.

GOD: Yes, we will, starting with this one. So let's bring the discussion down to a level at which "functionality," the principle, can be more easily understood as it relates to "morality," the mental construct.

Supposing you are driving westward in the United States, heading toward the Pacific Ocean, and you wish to go to Seattle. It would do you no good to turn south to San Jose. If you did so, you would be said to be going the "wrong" direction. Yet that label would be misleading if you equated the label "wrong" with the word "immoral."

There is nothing immoral about going to San Jose. It simply is not where you intend to go. It is not what you wish to do. It is not what you chose as your destination.

Trying to get to Seattle by driving south to San Jose is a lapse of functionality, not a lapse of morality.

A thought, word, or deed either works or does not work, given what it is that you are trying to be, do, or have. If it works, it is called "correct," or "right." If it does not work, it is called "incorrect," or "wrong."

When it is called "wrong" it has nothing to do with a breakdown in morality, nor with the thwarting of "God's will." It is your will that has been thwarted. You didn't get to be, do, or have what you wanted to be, do, or have.

Your society might do well not to place moral judgments on alternative choices or actions. In highly evolved societies, it is simply noticed whether choices and actions "work" or "do not work" in producing the result or outcome that is collectively desired.

In your own life, by taking the "moral value" out of your choices, you remove the "moral authority" from them. (They never had moral authority anyway. You have been making this all up.)

Your earthly societies would then no longer find it possible to invoke the Word of God, or Divine Law, or Sharia, or any other version of what is purported to be a spiritual mandate, in order to justify enforcing codes of behavior or personal restrictions on everything from diet to dress to decorum.


NDW: But that would lead to anarchy! Everybody doing whatever they wanted, based on their "desire"--in other words, a "what works" and "what does not work" world--would produce nothing but chaos.

GOD: Much would depend on what it was you all agreed, as a world society, that you were trying to be, do, or have. What are you seeking to experience?

If you are seeking to experience a world of peace and harmony and cooperation, then "what works" and "what does not work" would be measured against that. Currently, you are not using this measurement, or you would never do the things you are doing in your world.


NDW: I think it is worse than that. I think that we are seeking to create a world of peace and harmony and cooperation, but that we are unwilling to look at, unwilling to notice, and unwilling to give up, all the things that are not working. They allow us to experience too much other stuff that we enjoy--such as power, self-indulgence, etc.

GOD: Which means that you are not seeking to experience peace, harmony, and cooperation. You are seeking to experience power and self-indulgence. You are saying one thing and doing another.

When what you really want is peace, harmony, and cooperation, you will witness what you are now doing, assess very clearly that it is not working to bring you the experience you seek, then choose behaviors that do work.


NDW: I still wonder whether a world of "what works" and "what does not work" could produce anything but chaos.

GOD: As opposed to the peace and tranquility produced by your current "right" and "wrong" world?

NDW: Okay, but at least we know when somebody has done something wrong, and we can do something about it.

GOD: Such as punishing them and demonstrating that two "wrongs" make a "right"?

NDW: It is not "wrong" to punish someone!

GOD: That is accurate. It is not "wrong" to punish someone. "Right" and "wrong" do not exist. There are no such rigid standards in the Universe. A thing is only "right" or "wrong" depending upon whether it works or does not work in producing an outcome you wish to produce.

So we get to ask again, what is it you wish to produce by punishing someone? An experience of "payback"? Of revenge? Of safety, by removing a threat?


NDW: Probably all of those things. If we were to be honest, we'd probably have to say it's a little bit of all of those things. But most of all it's something that you haven't mentioned.

GOD: What's that?

NDW: Justice.

I would say we are seeking to experience Justice. Punishment is part of our justice system.

GOD: Hmmm...another one of your interesting human constructions. And what, exactly, is "justice," as you understand it?

NDW: It's a system by which society makes sure that what is "just" is what occurs. Our dictionary defines justice as "the impartial adjustment of conflicting claims or the merited assignment of rewards or punishments."

GOD: Wait a minute, did you say "adjustment"?

NDW: Yes. That's what the dictionary says.

GOD: Fascinating. That's very close to the Basic Life Principle that I said your mental construction called "justice" was related to.

NDW: Oh, yeah. Looking back at the list, I see that now. You said that justice was our distorted attempt to express the Basic Life Principle called Adaptability.

GOD: Yes, and adaptability is just another word for adjustment.

Life always expresses the principle of Adaptability. Life is, first of all, functional. That is a basic quality of life. It functions. And it functions in a particular way that allows it to keep on functioning.

When functionality is threatened in any way, life finds a way to adapt, or adjust, in order to keep on functioning.

This principle of adaptability is what is called, in evolutionary theory, selectivity. Life selects, through the process of life itself, the aspects or functions of all living things that allow that living thing to continue living. By this means, a species evolves. And when it does, a third Basic Principle of Life is expressed: Sustainability. Life becomes sustainable by adapting its functionality.

All life everywhere expresses these three principles, and the principles are circular, allowing life itself to continue eternally. Life, and everything in life, is functional, or, if it can no longer function in a particular way or mode, it adapts, adjusting whatever it needs to adjust in order to become sustainable. Sustainability creates a circling back to its being functional again, and on through the cycle, over and over again and again, forever and even forever more.

Using what you call your "justice system," your society seeks to express the principle of adaptability, fairly adjusting conflicting claims, and appropriately assigning rewards and punishments.


NDW: Well, it tries to.

GOD: What does that mean? Does it do it or not?

NDW: Most of the time. We like to think that it does this most of the time.

GOD: Most of the time?

The truth is, your "justice system" has so many flaws in it--not the least of which is its vulnerability to influence by the rich and powerful and its complete inaccessibility to the poor, the weak, and the downtrodden--that any resemblance between what occurs in your societies and what your dream of as "justice" is far too often purely coincidental.

And, I ask you, where is the "justice" in that?


NDW: As true as that may be, it is not an argument for not even seeking justice. Listen, we can't just ignore wrongdoing. We have to "set it right" that which is "wrong."

GOD: Why not seek to make "work" that which "does not work"?

When you seek to "right a wrong," you imagine that punishment is required as part of the process. That is because you see the "wrong" that was done as a moral failure rather than a functional nonviability.

When, on the other hand, you seek not to punish, but simply to make something work that does not work, you merely put in a correction. You change course. You find a new way. You alter your thoughts, words, or deeds. You make an adjustment.

That is "a justment."

So we see that "justice" is really "a justment." It is the system called life adapting itself in order to go on in a way that works.

In highly evolved societies, all of this is understood perfectly. The behavior adjustment is put in, and while consequences are part of that process (it is through the consequences that are experienced that behavior adaptation becomes desirable), punishment is not.


NDW: You are amazing, you know that? That is not something that I would ever have come to. My own reasoning would never have taken me there.

GOD: I am happy that you are open to getting there, by whatever means. Clarity is the place to which you are going. You are moving to a state called Clear. Once you are clear about these things, you can never live in confusion again.

It is from this state of confusion that you have wished to remove yourself. That is the purpose of this dialogue, and of your having come here. That is true for everyone who is reading this. For the moment is at hand when all the world calls upon all the people to look at all things in a new way.


NDW: Yet how do we do that?

GOD: See the truth. Admit the truth. Do not be self-righteous. Notice that what you are doing is evolving, adapting, and of course you are "changing the rules" as you go along. Not to do so would be silly. You can't live today's life by yesterday's rules. You couldn't even life yesterday's life by yesterday's rules.

If what you choose is to live in peace and harmony, then what the world needs now is a new set of rules.

That is the point I am making here. It is the point of this entire dialogue.

Functionality has all but disappeared from the human life experience. Your species cannot go on as it has been going much longer. You are going to have to express the Basic Life Principle of Adaptability very soon now if you want Life to sustain itself in its present form.


NDW: Can we talk about that third life principle for just a bit? How does Sustainability have anything to do with "ownership"? You said that "ownership" was a human mental construction, and that it was a distorted attempt to express the life principle of Sustainability. I don't understand that, exactly.

GOD: Life seeks always to sustain itself. That is a Basic Life Principle. You, as an expression of life, will seek to do the same thing. You have built a mental construct around how to do this that plays itself out as a social convention that you call ownership.

You claim ownership over all those things that you wish to see sustained. Seeking to express the Life Principle of Sustainability, you claim ownership of your own body, then of the body of your mate, then of your children. You say that your children are "yours," and you say the same thing about your spouse, and you treat these people as if you "own" them.

So, too, with land, and other articles and property. You have it that the very planet on which you live, this sphere that revolves around the Sun and spins in its majesty one complete cycle every 24 hours, is something that you actually "own," at least in parcels.

You have decided that this heavenly body, this celestial element, does not belong to Life Itself, but rather, to individual human beings. Or, in some cases, to their representatives--that is, their governments. And so, you have divvied up the very Earth itself, placing imaginary boundaries on that which has no boundaries, and claiming personal ownership not only of the land itself, but of the ground as far down as it goes and the minerals and resources within it, and of the sky as far up as it goes--which is, of course, forever...leading to intriguing international political questions about fly-over rights and "how high is up"?

You take these "ownership rights" so seriously that you start wars over them and kill and die over them--when the truth is, you cannot ever "own" any part of a planet in the solar system, even if it is a planet on which your species evolved.

You are all merely stewards, seeking to take good care of that over which you have been given stewardship--including your bodies, the bodies of your mates and children, the land on which you live, and all else that you have in your care.

These things are not your possessions, but simply articles that have been placed in your care. They are yours temporarily, only for safekeeping. You are asked by Life Itself to sustain them, to express the Life Principle of Sustainability, but not to declare that you "own" them and that they belong to you and no one else. Such a thought is not in any lasting sense functional.

Nothing that is possessed by anyone is possessed by them forever. Nothing. Things may be in your possession, but they are not your possessions.

Ownership is a temporary fiction. It is an invention of the mind and, like all mental constructions, it is temporary, having nothing to do with ultimate reality.

As with all of your social conventions, the idea of ownership arises from the fallacies that you hold as firm beliefs--in this case, the Second Fallacy About Life, which is that there is "not enough" of whatever it is you think you need to be happy.

There is enough of everything you really need to be happy, but you do not believe it, and so you seek to "own" whatever it is that you most desire, imagining that if you own it, you can keep it forever, that no one can take it away from you, that you can do what you want with it--and that from this experience of ownership will come your security, your sustainability, and your happiness.

Nothing could be further from the truth, as anyone who "owns" many things can tell you. Still, the idea persists.

This idea that you can own things has caused more harm to your psyche and more damage to your species than you could ever know.

This is because you think that "ownership" gives you "rights" that you do not intrinsically have.


NDW: Oh, man, there is so much here. So much to understand, to absorb. I've never had a conversation like this before. I sometimes feel as if I have to go over everything that's being revealed to me four or five times in order to really understand it, to really get it.

GOD: That is why I have repeated several times much of what has been said here. Now you understand.

NDW: So what can I take from this conversation that I can use as a tool to help life go on?

GOD: Do not worry about Life Itself. It will go on. I promise you. You could not put an end to life if you wanted to. Life will simply adapt to whatever conditions have been created, and continue. Yet if you want life to continue in its present form, if you want life to go on as it has been on the Earth, you are going to have to create the adaptation that life now needs to make, rather than simply stand by and watch it occur.

That is what this dialogue invites you to do. That is what this conversation is about. It is an invitation to you to create the world of your grandest dreams, to end the nightmare of your present reality, and to discover the tools with which to do that.


NDW: Do you think the world is ready to do this? Can we play an active, conscious role in our own evolutionary process?

GOD: The world is more ready for this now than it has ever been. The world is hungry, the world is starving, for a new spiritual truth--a truth that works in sustaining life, not a truth that brings an end to life. The world is searching for a new spiritual path, begging for a new set of understandings. Most of its people simply do not dare to say so publicly. Saying so would mean having to acknowledge that the world's present spiritual path is not getting humans where they say they want to go.

It is very difficult, it can be very fearful, for people to go against the prevailing notion of things--even when the prevailing notion of things is killing them.


NDW: Then what's to be done?

GOD: Encourage people to become the spiritual leaders for which they hunger, to provide the leadership for which they are starving.

NDW: But what about their fear?

GOD: Ask them what they are afraid of. An end to their way of life? The loss of their personal safety and security? What they are afraid of has already occurred.

Look at your world. The last vestiges of your way of life disappeared on September 11, 2001. Nobody can be safe and secure anymore, if you are using human standards of what that is.

The challenge now is not to keep from losing your safety and security, but to get it back.

You can seek to accomplish this at the physical level by using bombs and tanks and soldiers and economic or political might, or you can choose to accomplish this at the spiritual level, by changing beliefs.

The first belief you can change is the belief that you can somehow not be safe and secure.

Loss of safety and security is an illusion, given who and what you are. If you are using human standards, you have lost these things. If you are using spiritual measures, you can never lose them.

Inner peace is not achieved by outward means. Inner peace is achieved by understanding who you are. When inner peace is attained, outer peace becomes possible at last. In the absence of inner peace, outer peace is impossible--as your species has discovered over and over again. And as it is discovering once more, right now.

The outer peace of your worldwide society is so very fragile because the inner peace of your worldwide society is virtually nonexistent. Your world keeps falling apart, and you keep trying to put it back together using the wrong tools. You keep trying to get the world to change its behaviors, rather than its beliefs.

Humpty-Dumpty sat on a wall.
Humpty-Dumpty had a great fall.
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Could not put Humpty-Dumpty back together again.


But God can.
And God will.
As soon as you allow God to.
For God is the essence of inner peace.

But not the God about whom you have been taught.

Not the God of anger and of war, not the God of death and destruction, and not the God of guilt and retribution.

Not the make-believe God in whom you have had to make yourself believe, but the God of unconditional love, in whom you have your very being.

If the world were taught of this God, the world would change. Yet, where are the courageous spiritual leaders who will give up the God of fear to teach about the God of unconditional love?

Could you be one of them? Spiritual leaders do not have to be members of the clergy. Regular, ordinary, everyday people can be spiritual leaders. Plumbers, doctors, salespeople can be spiritual leaders. Corporate executives, members of the police force, and members of the military can be spiritual leaders. Hardware store owners, mechanics, nurses, and flight attendants can be spiritual leaders. Television news anchors, print media reporters, and politicians can be spiritual leaders. Teachers and baseball players and grocery store managers and movie stars and postal workers and research scientists and exotic dancers who take off their clothes in public can be spiritual leaders.

Do you understand this? Do you hear what I am saying?

This is the opportunity, this is the challenge, this is the invitation.

And so, the idea now is not to hide out, but to come out, so that others will find the courage to do the same, and all the world may know that it is not alone.


NDW: What can people do? Give us some concrete steps.

GOD: Now I'm going to call you on being repetitious. We've discussed this all before.

NDW: Please go over it again. Lay it out for me once more, all in one place. Summarize it. I need to hear it again--one last time.

GOD: The first thing they can do is take the Five Steps to Peace. They can acknowledge that what they've been doing up until now no longer works--if it ever worked. The bravest among them can do so publicly. They can say, "Hey, wait a minute. Has anyone noticed that what we're doing here is not working?"

NDW: Yes, I was saying earlier that we could publish the Five Steps to Peace in newspapers and magazines and get high-profile people to sign onto them. We could put them on billboards and handouts, hold meetings around them, begin dialogues, discuss where humanity can go from here.

Then, we could put the building blocks in place for a New Spirituality. A spirituality that will not be a complete rejection of the old, but that will bring to people a new and larger understanding of ancient truths, and some new truths to go with them. We could use the New Revelations found here as a starting point for explorations that lead to the deepest revelations within each human heart. We would make it clear that these New Revelations are not "the answer," but only AN answer--one inspiration that can lead to many others.

GOD: Yes. Do not seek to make the New Revelations a new religion, but rather, allow the New Revelations to reveal the simple and awesome truth that new revelation is possible. In so doing, you empower humanity to reveal true humanity to humanity itself.

Did you hear that? I said...

Empower humanity to reveal true humanity to humanity itself.

For when true humanity is revealed, it will be found to be Godly.


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WOW! What a powerful chapter! Thanks for reading this far. Just as a reminder, the Five Steps to Peace are below.

Peace and Love to All,

Eliot

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<<< THE FIVE STEPS TO PEACE >>>

There are five things you can choose now if changing the world, and the self-destructive direction in which it is moving, is what you wish to achieve.

1. You can choose to acknowledge that some of your old beliefs about God and about Life are no longer working.

2. You can choose to acknowledge that there is something you do not understand about God and about Life, the understanding of which will change everything.

3. You can choose to be willing for a new understanding of God and Life to now be brought forth, an understanding that could produce a new way of life on our planet.

4. You can choose to be courageous enough to explore and examine this new understanding, and, if it aligns with your inner truth and knowing, to enlarge your belief system to include it.

5. You can choose to live your life as demonstrations of your highest and grandest beliefs, rather than as denials of them.

These are the Five Steps to Peace, and if you take them, you can shift everything on our planet.
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I feel like we're getting closer to something big...


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A Voice In The Wilderness,

Please know that I am not suggesting to throw out the Bible OR accept a New Age. I am merely posting this information because it is what I have come into contact with recently and believe it may have some validity.

Also, know that my avatar is *very old* and that it does not reflect my current understanding or relationship with Christ. I have been lurking on this forum for years, and do not post much. I have not made any modifications to my profile until just changing my avatar, as I noticed what it really stood for.

I truly have accepted Christ Jesus as my Lord and Savior in recent weeks. It took me years of conspiracy and spiritual research to finally bring me to that understanding. Know that I am sincere.

I have read many of your posts and find them to be most insightful and accurate, and I thank you for your contributions.

Know that I sincerely believe in God and Christ Jesus in my heart, and that I am not of the darkness.

If I have posted something False, I apologize, for I was not aware of this prior to posting.
 Quoting: DiXie


If you are truly unaware of what you posted but profess to have accepted Jesus Christ then I hope you can respect and appreciate what I will say next, for it concerns your spiritual health, and may prevent you from being deceived.

The issue lies in what was posted in regards to the 'New Revelations'. I will focus on the most important ones.



>>> 3) No path to God is more direct than any other path. No religion is the “one true religion”, no people are “the chosen people”, and no prophet is the “greatest prophet.”

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

"This(Jesus Christ) is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:11,12

Jesus is the ONLY way, the only path, to God.

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


Do you not realize how this teaches hate and division? Would a truly loving creator wish this? No.
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An absolute doesn't teach hate or division. Where are words of hate?. Funny how anyone who wants can spew the most profane accusations at Christians and it's their right. But the Christian is expected to not answer back in a way that is acceptable". The moment they don't, the moment they recite the word, most are ready to point the figure about how far from perfect they are and how this means their God is false.
This is just a reaction because you must hate rules, boundaries. The word of God is flawless and it has boundaries. Funny when people are told there are consequences for their actions by the creator of the universe they sling accusations saying it's hate and intolerance. Where is your tolerance? Are you angry that there is only two choices. For the God of the bible or against. No decision is a decision.
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Bizarre.
False Prophet.
If it were real the message would be much simpler.
Believe in Jesus,have a great life forever. period.

Not so much on the trippy "earth healing" tackiness. That's already been outlined by God.
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Do you not realize how this teaches hate and division? Would a truly loving creator wish this? No.
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An absolute doesn't teach hate or division. Where are words of hate?. Funny how anyone who wants can spew the most profane accusations at Christians and it's their right. But the Christian is expected to not answer back in a way that is acceptable". The moment they don't, the moment they recite the word, most are ready to point the figure about how far from perfect they are and how this means their God is false.
This is just a reaction because you must hate rules, boundaries. The word of God is flawless and it has boundaries. Funny when people are told there are consequences for their actions by the creator of the universe they sling accusations saying it's hate and intolerance. Where is your tolerance? Are you angry that there is only two choices. For the God of the bible or against. No decision is a decision.
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You say that 'The word of God is flawless and it has boundaries.'

Are you referring to the Bible here?

I have recently come to the understanding that the Bible, the Qur'an, and other Holy Books are not infallible.

This is not to discredit their message(s), but to point out that they have been subject to human interpretations, translations, and alterations over time.

The Bible essentially states that you must repent and accept Jesus Christ as your sole Lord and Savior. If not, you are condemned to eternal damnation.

When this message is spread under the guise of condemnation, or to inspire fear or make judgments about who is 'right' or 'wrong', this is not a message spread out of Love.

God is Unconditional Love and has NO NEED to punish or inflict pain or destruction.

I ask that you read this passage from The New Revelations that addresses this major issue:

GOD: You have a deep emotional attachment to all of your beliefs, but your beliefs about religion have been particularly difficult to let go of. Therefore, the evolution of your religions has lagged far behind the evolution of your sciences, your technologies, your psychologies -- indeed, your understanding of every other aspect of life.

You have done the things you have been doing to each other in the name of religion because many of your present organized religions -- all well-meant, all well-intended, and most grounded in some sound spiritual principles -- are simply incomplete in their understandings.

Religion has not been allowed to grow.

Indeed, you will not let it grow. You claim that any new insight that contradicts or modifies the old is blasphemous and heretical. You claim that New Revelations are not possible. Your position is that everything there is to say has already been said, everything there is to know is already known, everything there is to understand is already understood.

Your desperate struggle to keep your species alive -- to stop its members from killing each other and from destroying all of life -- will not end, and it may wind up ending you, if you are unable to make one simple statement:

There is something I do not understand about God and about Life, the understanding of which will change everything.


NDW: We must take Step 2 in the Five Steps to Peace.

GOD: Yes. This is an essential and irreplaceable step, for only with a new understanding of Life and of God can humans construct a more workable and uniform code of conduct.

As things now stand, creating such a workable and uniform code is very difficult, because so many of you believe that your code of conduct comes from God, and is, therefore, the only one that should be followed.

The fact that most of the exclusivist religions of the world say this, and that the world's sacred laws are all different, doesn't matter to you. All of you believe that your code of conduct is the right code of conduct.

It is this righteousness that is your undoing.

Your worldwide community cannot function this way.

When your planet housed a group of smaller communities, most of them isolated and disconnected from each other, human beings could function that way. It wasn't a very smooth functioning, it often wasn't very happy, but the species at least survived.

Now you are a worldwide community, interconnected and interdependent. You are truly All One, whether you are ready to accept this belief or not.

Now, a disruption in one part of the community disrupts the whole. And so you are going to have to learn to act as one if you wish to survive.

This is something you have had very little practice doing. Many of you seem to think that "oneness" is, in fact, threatening. And so you continue your past behaviors, in which you allowed your differences to produce divisions, ignoring the fact that a house divided against itself cannot stand. You do not see yourself as being in the same house. So why bother to worry about divisions?


NDW: But does healing mean that we can no longer have different religions, or different ideas about how to experience God?

GOD: Of course not. It means only that you notice your Oneness.

Oneness does not mean sameness. Unity and individuality are not mutually exclusive. Differences do not have to mean divisions, and contrast does not have to lead to conflict.

Your fingers are not all the same. They look different, and they all have different functions. Yet they are all part of one hand, and both hands are part of one body.

Your nose looks not at all like your eyes, and your mouth bears no resemblance to your forehead. All of these have different functions. Yet they are part of one face -- the face you show the world.

Would you bite your nose to spite your face?

Why do you allow your religions to do so to the face of humanity?



I believe that AJK is also pointing out this profound understanding, sincerely, and with good intentions.

By the way, thank you AJK for your posts! I have learned much from them...albeit it took some time to really sink in!
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I have read every CWG Book and found them quite inspiring and illuminating. Those who dismiss and ridicule these books out of hand, without even reading them, only show the world how ignorant they are - making summary judgments without the experience to back them up - which is really what religion is all about - the cart before the horse - conclusion before experience; truth carved in stone.

You were doing so well OP until you spoke that you have accepted Jesus. For the life of me, I cannot fathom how one can speak of Jesus and these books in the same sentence. Jesus is myth, OP. If you want, I'll post all the videos to show you. He is the central figure in an astro-theological literary myth, common to many of the religions of the same time. In other words, Christians worship the sun. It's hard to believe you are unaware of this given your promotion of the CWG series.
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Bizarre.
False Prophet.
If it were real the message would be much simpler.
Believe in Jesus,have a great life forever. period.

Not so much on the trippy "earth healing" tackiness. That's already been outlined by God.
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I believe that the New Revelations outlined in this book and above are very simple and easy to understand.

The language is direct and clear.

It is up to you if you will accept or reject them.

If it resonates with your inner truth, your heart, then accept it graciously! If it does not resonate with your inner truth, then move on!

It is that simple.

To some, these messages will be received wholeheartedly.

This was my experience, and I wish to share it with you all.
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I have read every CWG Book and found them quite inspiring and illuminating. Those who dismiss and ridicule these books out of hand, without even reading them, only show the world how ignorant they are - making summary judgments without the experience to back them up - which is really what religion is all about - the cart before the horse - conclusion before experience; truth carved in stone.

You were doing so well OP until you spoke that you have accepted Jesus. For the life of me, I cannot fathom how one can speak of Jesus and these books in the same sentence. Jesus is myth, OP. If you want, I'll post all the videos to show you. He is the central figure in an astro-theological literary myth, common to many of the religions of the same time. In other words, Christians worship the sun. It's hard to believe you are unaware of this given your promotion of the CWG series.
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At the time of the original posting, I had recently began studying the Bible and Jesus Christ with keen interest.

During this period, I came to the realization that I should repent and accept Jesus Christ, but did so deep down out of fear of eternal damnation, even though I told myself that I was doing this out of Love.

I believe that through this process, and after finishing The New Revelations yesterday, I have come to fully understand that I should not live in Fear of God, but rather, knowing that we are truly All One With God, and that God is Unconditional Love.

I know now that I AM this Love, and that I choose to Be this Love, in every moment.

I thank you for your post, and allowing me to share my experience honestly.
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Everything Christianity teaches and represents is exactly wrong. 180 degrees wrong. I hope for your own good that you come to realize this some day.

That there is a localized "god" which exists apart from its creation.

That this god has rules and needs and demands of its creations lest its creations suffer eternal separation from god (source).

That man is inherently weak, sinful, and unworthy of "god".

That man needs to atone for his "fallen state".

That this is only possible through the blood sacrifice of an innocent being as a burnt offering of sorts to appease this blood-thirsty "god".



Need I go on, OP?


All this is the OPPOSITE of what the CWG series is all about.

ALL IS ONE.

ALL THAT IS, IS THE SAME THING.

THUS, ALL SEPARATION IS ILLUSION (this comes directly from the CWG series)

Christianity is the poster child for the illusion of separation.


I truly hope you see this.


Shalom
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This was the First Conversations with God book I was directed to read by my guides. i loved it. I have them all, I think. These can be excellent to wean people off the religion because the questions asked and answered, and you can answer them yourself.

there is a statement or teaching here and there I don't agree with, because nothing comes into this earth completely perfect, even gremlins can mess stuff up during the printing, but over all, they are excellent, and I really like the one for teenagers. full of life LIVING advice.

God the FATHER is INDEED LIFE people. As this is a cradle world to develop life and MIND, as GOD is also MIND.
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Everything Christianity teaches and represents is exactly wrong. 180 degrees wrong. I hope for your own good that you come to realize this some day.

That there is a localized "god" which exists apart from its creation.

That this god has rules and needs and demands of its creations lest its creations suffer eternal separation from god (source).

That man is inherently weak, sinful, and unworthy of "god".

That man needs to atone for his "fallen state".

That this is only possible through the blood sacrifice of an innocent being as a burnt offering of sorts to appease this blood-thirsty "god".



Need I go on, OP?


All this is the OPPOSITE of what the CWG series is all about.

ALL IS ONE.

ALL THAT IS, IS THE SAME THING.

THUS, ALL SEPARATION IS ILLUSION (this comes directly from the CWG series)

Christianity is the poster child for the illusion of separation.


I truly hope you see this.


Shalom
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You say that all of Christianity is 'exactly wrong'.

Remember: There is no such thing as Right and Wrong. There is only What Works and What Does Not Work, depending upon what it is that you seek to be, do or have.

So essentially, it's all a matter of individual perspective of What Works vs. What Does Not Work.

I choose not to accept, nor spread, a message of fear about God and Life.

I will not judge or denounce others for following a different path to God than mine.

Your post illustrates again that the predominant beliefs that humanity holds about God and Life are fallacies, and that they need to be sincerely re-examined, and quickly!
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Everything Christianity teaches and represents is exactly wrong. 180 degrees wrong. I hope for your own good that you come to realize this some day.

That there is a localized "god" which exists apart from its creation.

That this god has rules and needs and demands of its creations lest its creations suffer eternal separation from god (source).

That man is inherently weak, sinful, and unworthy of "god".

That man needs to atone for his "fallen state".

That this is only possible through the blood sacrifice of an innocent being as a burnt offering of sorts to appease this blood-thirsty "god".



Need I go on, OP?


All this is the OPPOSITE of what the CWG series is all about.

ALL IS ONE.

ALL THAT IS, IS THE SAME THING.

THUS, ALL SEPARATION IS ILLUSION (this comes directly from the CWG series)

Christianity is the poster child for the illusion of separation.


I truly hope you see this.


Shalom
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You say that all of Christianity is 'exactly wrong'.

Remember: There is no such thing as Right and Wrong. There is only What Works and What Does Not Work, depending upon what it is that you seek to be, do or have.

So essentially, it's all a matter of individual perspective of What Works vs. What Does Not Work.

I choose not to accept, nor spread, a message of fear about God and Life.

I will not judge or denounce others for following a different path to God than mine.

Your post illustrates again that the predominant beliefs that humanity holds about God and Life are fallacies, and that they need to be sincerely re-examined, and quickly!
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Call me a cab, but I knew you were going to parry with that argument. I could have said, "Christianity is 100% illusion".

I'm not denouncing, I'm shedding light to clear up any delusion.

And there is no path to god for there is nowhere to go and nothing to achieve. Life is eternal and endless. It is not a destination. It is an endless process.

We don't "find god".

We be-come one with all that is in consciousness, and in so doing and in so being, be-come companion source creators with source.

Shalom
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Call me a cab, but I knew you were going to parry with that argument. I could have said, "Christianity is 100% illusion".

I'm not denouncing, I'm shedding light to clear up any delusion.

And there is no path to god for there is nowhere to go and nothing to achieve. Life is eternal and endless. It is not a destination. It is an endless process.

We don't "find god".

We be-come one with all that is in consciousness, and in so doing and in so being, be-come companion source creators with source.

Shalom

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Yes, Thank You for this!
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I have read every CWG Book and found them quite inspiring and illuminating. Those who dismiss and ridicule these books out of hand, without even reading them, only show the world how ignorant they are - making summary judgments without the experience to back them up - which is really what religion is all about - the cart before the horse - conclusion before experience; truth carved in stone.

You were doing so well OP until you spoke that you have accepted Jesus. For the life of me, I cannot fathom how one can speak of Jesus and these books in the same sentence. Jesus is myth, OP. If you want, I'll post all the videos to show you. He is the central figure in an astro-theological literary myth, common to many of the religions of the same time. In other words, Christians worship the sun. It's hard to believe you are unaware of this given your promotion of the CWG series.
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At the time of the original posting, I had recently began studying the Bible and Jesus Christ with keen interest.

During this period, I came to the realization that I should repent and accept Jesus Christ, but did so deep down out of fear of eternal damnation, even though I told myself that I was doing this out of Love.

I believe that through this process, and after finishing The New Revelations yesterday, I have come to fully understand that I should not live in Fear of God, but rather, knowing that we are truly All One With God, and that God is Unconditional Love.

I know now that I AM this Love, and that I choose to Be this Love, in every moment.

I thank you for your post, and allowing me to share my experience honestly.
 Quoting: DiXie


I am really really glad to hear this Dixie, how do you feel now with this newfound wisdom? I know for me, as I have woken up, I find I see the world, and people in a whole different way than I once did. I used to place some of my preconceived judgments on things, my actions as well as others, but I don't do that so much anymore. I may still tell someone if I think something is unhealthy for them, but it comes from a different place than before you know? It's because I am concerned about them NOW, not their afterlife.

Curious, what got you interested in studying the Bible and all to start with, and also....what brought you to understand what you do now, apart from this book? Where did it turn for you?

I appreciate the compliments BTW, I'm glad someone is listening out there. Sometimes I feel like a lot of what I say really isn't heard around here, as people have a hard time accepting it because of how ingrained their beliefs are into them. So it's good to know there as at least one who gets it and understands it. hf
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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A Voice In The Wilderness,

Please know that I am not suggesting to throw out the Bible OR accept a New Age. I am merely posting this information because it is what I have come into contact with recently and believe it may have some validity.

Also, know that my avatar is *very old* and that it does not reflect my current understanding or relationship with Christ. I have been lurking on this forum for years, and do not post much. I have not made any modifications to my profile until just changing my avatar, as I noticed what it really stood for.

I truly have accepted Christ Jesus as my Lord and Savior in recent weeks. It took me years of conspiracy and spiritual research to finally bring me to that understanding. Know that I am sincere.

I have read many of your posts and find them to be most insightful and accurate, and I thank you for your contributions.

Know that I sincerely believe in God and Christ Jesus in my heart, and that I am not of the darkness.

If I have posted something False, I apologize, for I was not aware of this prior to posting.
 Quoting: DiXie


If you are truly unaware of what you posted but profess to have accepted Jesus Christ then I hope you can respect and appreciate what I will say next, for it concerns your spiritual health, and may prevent you from being deceived.

The issue lies in what was posted in regards to the 'New Revelations'. I will focus on the most important ones.



>>> 3) No path to God is more direct than any other path. No religion is the “one true religion”, no people are “the chosen people”, and no prophet is the “greatest prophet.”

"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6

"This(Jesus Christ) is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." Acts 4:11,12

Jesus is the ONLY way, the only path, to God.

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


Do you not realize how this teaches hate and division? Would a truly loving creator wish this? No.
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An absolute doesn't teach hate or division. Where are words of hate?. Funny how anyone who wants can spew the most profane accusations at Christians and it's their right. But the Christian is expected to not answer back in a way that is acceptable". The moment they don't, the moment they recite the word, most are ready to point the figure about how far from perfect they are and how this means their God is false.
This is just a reaction because you must hate rules, boundaries. The word of God is flawless and it has boundaries. Funny when people are told there are consequences for their actions by the creator of the universe they sling accusations saying it's hate and intolerance. Where is your tolerance? Are you angry that there is only two choices. For the God of the bible or against. No decision is a decision.
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I have no issue with rules, or boundaries, provided they make logical sense. The rules and boundaries outlined in the Bible do not. Therein lies the difference. The God of the Bible is in effect a dictator, moreso than a loving parent.

The fact alone that there was needed to be a blood sacrifice to save us from sins that others before us committed, is ridiculous in itself. How are we to be responsible for what other souls do? We have no control over their actions.

Further, what would be the purpose of telling your child they are disgusting, terrible, horrible beings from birth, worthless without you? That's an obvious shame and fear tactic, to keep you in bondage and away from your true potentials.

There's just so many things wrong here, you really can't question the book because if you start to, you are effectively damned unless you accept it's true. Does that make sense? Wouldn't God want you to understand what you are accepting, and if it isn't working for you or fulfilling you, to try something else? After all He wants the best for his kids right? So why force them to believe something that they feel doesn't make sense, with penalty of death? That's a wee bit controlling no?

A truely loving parent would teach all they knew to their kids, and as the child grows let them figure the rest out, and create their own path, not browbeat them into doing things your way. We all have our own journeys to take, and our relationships with God are personal, no one is the same from another. Their relationships should be between them and God, no meddlers or judgmentalists need apply, unless they are specifically asked for advice. Otherwise it's really none of their business.

So yeah, I have no issues with rules, but if the rules don't make sense, nothing is gonna magically make them suddenly make sense. 2+2 is never going to equal 5 you know?
No one is perfect. A babe before walking will first stumble and fall many times but NEVER gives up until he succeeds.

Always remember, ultimately, to never follow any person's belief. Your relationship with God is between you and God.

If nothing else, remember this: religion = subservience, control and conformity, the same template as EVERY government

"Most believers would kill truth if truth threatened their religion." L. K. Washburn

"This crime called blasphemy was invented by priests for the purpose of defending doctrines not able to take care of themselves." Robert Ingersoll

"If anyone wants to know how God feels, it's a warm light as if the sun is poking through dark clouds and lifting your spirits with pure joy."
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