THERE WILL BE NO PRE TRIB RAPTURE..here is why..IF you have the guts to read it.

Your village called they are missing their idiot. Please go home, they need a good laugh....

The bottom line is that nobody knows the day or hour that He's coming, and none of us know exactly how it's going to come down.

But, we do know that we better be ready when He does get here, we are told that in the Bible over and over and over again. So, make sure your spiritual house is clean and in order! :)

they are to blind to understand..
they're not going anywhere.

Whats really weird about all this...

Is that even though the OP proved BEYOND doubt when the rapture is...there are still those ones who say...

"I dont agree..the Lord led me to believe otherwise"

Is this the SAME lord who led them to believe all these failed dates and stuff??,,,,Because if you have a look at some of thes threads below the LORD "Told them" this..and the LORD "Told them" that


But as you can clearly see they were...WRONG


so IS the Lord telling them anything??...NO

Its their own wishful thinking..their GUTLESS COWARDICE in refusing to face REALITY.

They went to a LOT of trounle and spent DAYS..sometimes MONTHS on these threads....arging with eachother..."The Lord told me" yada yada BS BS BS


In each an EVERY case they had mathematic..gemmatria..bible verses..conjecture..guesswork..and a WHOLE LOT OF UTTER TARDNESS to back em up..and in EACH and EVERY CASE...they were WRONG..and always WILL be.

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Times change...people dont.

I've studied eschatological timelines from every aspect --pre post mid even prewrath

I am back pretrib :-) Jesus is coming at an hour we think not

here is the teaching that finally swayed me:

Thread: The Bible is a marriage contract

I'll say two things about the posttrib view: one, it's depressing. two, the people espousing it oftentimes don't seem very nice


fact is eschatological viewpoints are in no way essential to salvation. one's viewpoint does not affect their eternal state. so there is no need for name calling. dissensions strifes etc over nonessential doctrines are unwise :-)

one thing posttribbers usually discount is the time of Jacob's trouble -- Daniel's 70th week. they don't see the time of the Gentiles being fulfilled and then the return to the focus on the Jews. often replacement theology comes into play.

regardless we are to continue preaching the gospel, making disciples, watching and praying. no one knows for sure when the Bridegroom is coming for His bride ;-) an eschatological viewpoint does not override our great commission and our focus on Jesus, and leading more to Him ;-)

love rb

You could not be more wrong.

And whats worse...you didnt even bother to read the post.

It proves beyond ANY doubt when the rapture is...depressing or not..fact is fact.

I read the post

along with countless others on glp -- and stacks of books (my wife thought I was crazy!) and hundreds of Internet studies

I argued for prewrath for a summer, during the wingedlion vs van helsing thread (that was 2008) - then found the Jewish wedding study cited and linked above in my post -- and went back pretrib that fall.

I've remained so since. I will note I am not dogmatic about this, and if it doesn't go the way I think it will so be it. I'm not going to call Christians with differing viewpoints names, nor will I accuse them of being satanic tares illuminati kenites or what have you. different Christians have different viewpoints and pretrib is NOT the prevailing one on this planet

now consider this: which churches most adhere to the Bible -- literally interpretating prophecy, which lead people to Jesus Christ (yielding to the Holy Spirit as He works through us) -- and what do they teach?

the Holy Spirit is our teacher. if we are allowing Him to teach us we will be leading others to Christ, believing and standing in and on His Word ;-)

the fruits of the Spirit include:

love peace and joy

rb

This is true. The idea of a pre-tribulation rapturalism is only 150 years old. It was popular because nobody want to go through the end shit, other than me. If you christian, use your logical mind and think a moment. Even the atheists would all figure out you were right when you flew away into the sky and the anti-christ could not do anything. Sorry christians, your going through it with the rest of the folk, hahahahaha.

You truly have no clue with scripture 144000 aborted you are whacked

Everyone always rattles on abpout a jewish weddings..its ALL conjecture..trying to FORCE a meaning to something that is NOWHERE meantioned in scripture....ive studued ALL views as well and USED to be pre trib for 30 years...till I put ALL THE BOOKS DOWN..and read the ONE THAT COUNTS...the WORD ITSELF.

UNLIKE all the books..the theories..the rambling about Jewish weddings and such...The OPS post REQUIRES no "Scripture twisting"..requires NO "CONJECTURE or FORCED meaning"..its "ALL in CONTEXT" and is there in BLACK and WHITE..PLAIN as day..

I cannot understand HOW you refuse to SEE what the scriptures..and JESUS himself...ACTUALLY SAY..

Which leads to ONE conclusion..YOU DONT WANT TO BELIEVE ANYTHING ELSE OTHER THAN WHAT YOU WANT TO BELIEVE..in other words..WILLFUL IGNORANCE..based on FEAR of having to face what MILLIONS of christians have faced for 2000 years..and that is..ACTUALLY HAVING TO SUFER FOR YOUR FAITH.

Christians these days LOVE the "EASY ROAD" doctrines./SO FAT AND LAZY AND WEAK AND GUTLESS...all full of themselves...thinking ONLY of THEMSEVES..and all they want to do IS AVOID ANY KIND OF CROSS..OR HARDSHIP...and will WILLINGLY IGNORE TRUTH..because is means their FLESH might actually have to suffer for the SAKE of said truth.

They WANT it EASY..so they USE CONJECTURE..RAVE ON ABOUT WEDDINGS..do whatever it TAKES to make THEIR WISH..NOT TO SUFFER>.somehow FIT..but it CANT and it WONT...the OPS POST made it VERY VERY CLEAR>. IT IS INDISPUTABLE..CLEAR AS A BELL..and if you STILL cant see it..its because YOU JUST DONT WANT TO SEE IT.

YOu REFUSE to see it.....and believing otherwise will NOT CHANGE WHAT IS ALL THERE in BLACK and WHITE.

Beautifully done and well put!!!!!

If the 'two witnesses' are killed bu the Beast and are 'left dead in the streets' for three and a half days, and the 'world' rejoices their deaths, then they are raised up in front of their enemies by God and in the SAME HOUR the Great quake occurs.....yeah, I think ALL truth-seeking, believers will know EXACTLY what time it is!

Rev 11:7 When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them.


Rev 11:8 And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our [fn] Lord was crucified.


Rev 11:9 Then those from the peoples, tribes, tongues, and nations will see their dead bodies three-and-a-half days, and not allow [fn] their dead bodies to be put into graves.


Rev 11:10 And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them, make merry, and send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth.


Rev 11:11 Now after the three-and-a-half days the breath of life from God entered them, and they stood on their feet, and great fear fell on those who saw them.


Rev 11:12 And they [fn] heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." And they ascended to heaven in a cloud, and their enemies saw them.


Rev 11:13 In the same hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell. In the earthquake seven thousand people were killed, and the rest were afraid and gave glory to the God of heaven.


Rev 11:14 The second woe is past. Behold, the third woe is coming quickly.


Rev 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms [fn] of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"


Rev 11:16 And the twenty-four elders who sat before God on their thrones fell on their faces and worshiped God,


Rev 11:17 saying: "We give You thanks, O Lord God Almighty, The One who is and who was and who is to come, [fn] Because You have taken Your great power and reigned.


Rev 11:18 The nations were angry, and Your wrath has come, And the time of the dead, that they should be judged, And that You should reward Your servants the prophets and the saints, And those who fear Your name, small and great, And should destroy those who destroy the earth."


Rev 11:19 Then the temple of God was opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant [fn] was seen in His temple. And there were lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake, and great hail.

so let me ask this... because it fits into the scenario.

based on this translating, easy for the modern mind to comprehend why do people not see that the second coming is a cosmic event?


I Joshua (G2424 )/ Jesus dispatch the messenger of me to bear witness with you these things on the CALLED OUT of the Assembly. I am the root and the race (stock/genealogical line) of DAVID, youngest son of Jesse II King ISRAEL(Jacob)
The radiant and pre-dawn blazing star strewn across the sky and the blowing air.
and the VEILED bride comes forth to speak, to come!
and the HEARING to say, to come!
and the THIRSTY, to come!
and the self-willed and intended mind to; take the water of life freely!
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so it is spelled out.
The veiled(spiritually blind), the hearers but not doers, and the thirsty all say COME! come quickly... so they are wishing and hoping and praying for this STAR to return and be strewn across the sky(destructive)... but the last of the four groups mentioned doesn't say come... they are in the NOW taking the water of life freely.

there is more to be understood from this verse but few seem to comprehend this simple message. That's what happens when you let a doctrine do your thinking for you.

5 stars.

Its sums up the pre trib gutless rapture tards so EXACTLY that its actually scary.

Ive read OPS post and anyone that STILL cant see it are WILLFULLY BLIND...and refuse to see what is there isn alck and white right in their faces.

I was pre trib till I saw this and I canr believe how stupid and gullible I was until the OP explained it so well.

Pre trib is OUT the door for me now and I can slso see just HOW the great falling away will happen now.

When it hits the fan..and NO temple has been built..and NO seven year treaty has been signed...and christians are rounded up and tortured and killed..THEN ytou can bet that MOST of them will deny their faith becuse they spent all their lives in ease and fun...thinking that they will never have to go through any sort of hardship. I used to think this too. It made me arrogant and full of pride and slo hearltless towards those I considered would be "Left behind" and it also bred in me a sense of "Elitism"..as if I was speacial and everyone else was beneath me because THEY were not as holy as me and THEY were going to suffer.

I almost WISHED it on them..was happy inside because I was going to be spared and they were not...I held them in contempt..as do the vast majority of those who hold the pre trib view. I didnt CARE that they were going to suffer and neither did anyone else in the churches I went to..they looked at those in the world as rubbish....beneath them...while we all happy clapped our way through a "Blessed" life while everyone around us went to hell...and we didnt CARE...excpet in lip service.

But now that I realise that we are ALL in the same boat..its very different..we are ALL going to be tried and tested...saved and non saved alike..ALL will suffer..ALL will know pain..we are ALL HUMAN..and we are all in the boat together.

So lets stop the bickering..and focus on what is REAL instead of the easy listening lies that Satan has woven SO successfully in the christian world....and start believing what the word ACTUALLY SAYS and not what mere MEN with an AGENDA have to say...because the pre trib rapture market is BIG BUSINESS..telling peope what they WANT TO HEAR..and making MILLIONS from it.


WHILE THE WORLD STARVES!

If you torture the data long enough...it will confess to anything.
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So God is going to beat the hell out of His bride and then call her up to have dinner?(marriage supper of the lamb)

The Church and Israel are mutualy exculsive. Different origins and different destinies. The entire point of the trib is to bring Israel back to God(time of Jacob's trouble).

How can the Bride come with Him at the second coming if we are still here?

Who populates the millenium if all the believers are taken up at the second coming?

Why did Christ tell us to expect Him at any time if the entire trib(70th week of Daniel) has to take place before He returns?

How can the virgins of Matthew 25 buy oil without the Mark of the Beast?

The lampstands in Revelation 1-3 are on the earth. Jesus explains that the lampstands are the church. Where are they from chap 4 on? In Heaven before any wrath is poured out on the earth.

Try reading the OPs post.

It explains it all.

Yep which is whats really going to explode the already in progress falling away.

Excellent breakdown, OP. Next, consider tackling the names of The Most High and the Messiah.

Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what [is] his name, and what [is] his son's name, if thou canst tell?
M

I'm confused, I read the whole thread, but it's still not clear. WHEN EXACTLY DOES THE GREAT PUMPKIN GIVE OUT THE PRESENTS TO ALL THE GOOD BOYS AND GIRLS???

It is so simple, really.

There is no rapture. NO WHERE in the Bible does it state that. Sure, there is one little sentence about changing in the twikling of an eye, but that's just conjecture. You would think that something as important as this would have been CLEARLY stated without having to read between the lines.

No, the ONLY reason the concept of a rapture exists is because people who THINK they are christians (NOT Christians) make themselves feel better believing they will not have to suffer.
And that is the ONLY reason why they WANT to believe in a false doctrine like the rapture.

Sad thing is, when time comes and they are suffering under the AntiChrist and they see no rapture occurred, it will demoralize them and shake their beliefs. This is why believing in this false doctrine is so DANGEROUS.

The Rapture.

It is something we feel. Not that some physically leave. That happens at the end.

The rapture happens because God is making the queen bee. We feel it like a 5th Element.

It will start this year. I am hoping sooner rather than later. It lasts until the BIG CHANGE. The church is raptured because the people that make-up the church are open to it. It will effect us all, in different ways. For example, those that activelt deny it will not like it...

A quote from a certain movie.

"Its that pelvic thrust that really drives you insane."

Who am I, and how would I know.

I am the little rock.

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wOW, you have done very painstaking, important studies, you all above, who have learned from those efforts and prayers, the obvious lie of the pre-tribulation 'Rapture' (non-scriptural theory inspired by Satan).

Wow. All I can say, is praise the Almighty Yahueh Father of King Yahushua, the Messiah of Israel and the world. If they will only now learn thatthe rest of the lies against them as the lies that are pure and deadly poison from the father of lies, and reject all of those, replacing with truth as they prove it to each one, themselves.

'Come, let us reason together'... Yahushua

'beware the lying pens of the scribes...'

'I will require their blood at the hand of the (lying) shepherds, which led (my flock) into the pit/abysss'

'Trust not every spirit but test the spirits...'

(how to test the spirits who come in angelic clothing speaking bibical verses, to appeal to your trusting hearts? know the scriptures by diligent study daily).

This is hard but is necessary, he warned us. They both did.

This is it, in a nutshell. Rapture is a capture, and that is by aliens. Demons. 'Angels'.

Don't let it happen to you or yours.
Arm yourself and study. Pray to Yahueh in Yahushua's name to be given help, guidance, and protection and knowledge you need at the time this happens.

And for those of us that haven't so much as touched a bible.. what does this translate to?

Stay away from aliens?

Your initial post is mostly correct OP except for the following:


There is no "Great Tribulation Period" defined in Scripture as a 3.5 year period.......or "Tribulation Period" as a 7.0 year period.

It is a man-made addition to Scripture. The expression should not be used.


Wen Christ speaks of great tribulation in Matthew......just translate it as a time of great trouble......the length of which is not specified. This is when the man of evil will be persecuting the jewish people and Christians (5th Seal)


The time of darkness is the 6th Seal of Revelation.


Then the 144,000 of Israel are sealed from harm and the Christians are caught up be Angels.......just prior to God's wrath.


God's wrath.......the 7th Seal of Revelations. Duration:
approx. 1.5---2.0 years; the final section of Daniel's 70th week.

YES. THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT. EXCEPT, SIR, THE ALIENS WILL LOOK LIKE AND SPEAK LIKE ANGELS.

tricky lot they are, they are of course, very intelligent, more so than the average man and very slick about their use of lies and general ignorance and illiteracy and they will use the crap that churches have all stuck down our gullets for decades, against us in this coming deception and spider's web. They will use pain, fear, terror, imminency of death, and supernatural powers and miraculous sights which will make most men fail for fear of seeing.

Most men, being ignorant of their knowledge and their devices, will fall - and then they will be exploited, taken, without mercy, for demons HAVE NO MERCY.