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Updated: 5:51 p.m. ET Aug. 11, 2005
For years, skeptics of global warming have used satellite and weather balloon data to argue that climate models were wrong and that global warming isn´t really happening.

Now, according to three new studies published in the journal Science, it turns out those conclusions based on satellite and weather balloon data were based on faulty analyses.

The atmosphere is indeed warming, not cooling as the data previously showed.

While surface thermometers have clearly shown that the Earth´s surface is warming, satellite and weather balloon data have actually suggested the opposite, that the atmosphere was cooling.

Scientists were left with two choices: either the atmosphere wasn´t warming up, or something was wrong with the data.

"But most people had to conclude, based on the fact that there were both satellite and balloon observations, that it really wasn´t warming up," said Steven Sherwood, a geologists at Yale University and lead author of one of the studies.

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Sherwood examined weather balloons known as radiosondes, which are capable of making direct measurements of atmospheric temperatures.

For the past 40 years, radiosonde temperature data have been collected from around the world twice each day, once during the day and once at night.

But while nighttime radiosonde measurements were consistent with climate models and theories showing a general warming trend, daytime measurements actually showed the atmosphere to be cooling since the 1970´s.

Sherwood explains these discrepancies by pointing out that the older radiosonde instruments used in the 1970´s were not as well shielded from sunlight as more recent models. What this means as that older radiosondes showed warmer temperature readings during the day because they were warmed by sunlight.

"It´s like being outside on a hot day—it feels hotter when you are standing in the direct sun than when you are standing in the shade," Sherwood said.

Nowadays, radiosondes are better insulated against the effects of sunlight, but if analyzed together with the old data—which showed temperatures that were actually warmer than they really were—the overall effect looked like the troposphere was cooling.

The discrepancy between surface and atmospheric measurements has been used by for years by skeptics who dispute claims of global warming.

"Now we´re learning that the disconnect is more apparent than real," said Ben Santer, an atmospheric scientists at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California and a lead author of another of the studies.

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According to Santer, the only group to previously analyze satellite data on the troposphere -- the lowest layer in Earth´s atmosphere -- was a research team headed by Roy Spencer from University of Alabama in 1992.

"This was used by some critics to say ´We don´t believe in climate models, they´re wrong,´" Santer told LiveScience. "Other people used the disconnect between what the satellites told and what surface thermometers told us to argue that the surface data were wrong and that earth wasn´t really warming because satellites were much more accurate."

The Alabama researchers introduced a correction factor to account for drifting in the satellites used to sample Earth´s daily temperature cycles.

But in another Science paper published today, Carl Mears and Rank Wentz, scientists at the California-based Remote Sensing Systems, examined the same data and identified an error in Spencer´s analysis technique.

After correcting for the mistake, the researchers obtained fundamentally different results: whereas Spencer´s analysis showed a cooling of the Earth´s troposphere, the new analysis revealed a warming.

Using the analysis from Mears and Wentz, Santer showed that the new data was consistent with climate models and theories.

"When people come up with extraordinary claims -- like the troposphere is cooling -- then you demand extraordinary proof," Santer said. "What´s happening now is that people around the world are subjecting these data sets to the scrutiny they need."

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bump headbang The Earth has a nuclear reactor at her core, and atmospheric pollution is reducing the surface dissipation of heat, hence the cooling of the core.
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Does this mean scientists in the 70´s didn´t know it was hotter in the sunshine than in the shade?!!!lmao
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RE: neti ID: 3810
"The Earth has a nuclear reactor at her core, and atmospheric pollution is reducing the surface dissipation of heat, hence the cooling of the core."

Logical and makes sense.
Best explaination yet.
But outcome looks bleak.
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Planet x isn´t coming.
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It means even the best scientist are novices when it comes to climate change. We just don´t have enough experince with it ´yet". Use all the models in the world, but remember even one variable will throw it off. We´re working hard but have a long way to go before understand climate change enough to make acurate predictions.
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"We´re working hard but have a long way to go before understand climate change enough to make acurate predictions."


That´s not good enough. We don´t have time to wait around, the shit is hitting the fan NOW.
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Earth420 you Earth Watcher you.

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I agree with taking action now, but what where. The real question is will it happen slow enough for us to adapt a little at a time or will it blindside us? If it blindsides us I don´t know what the world in generalis to do. If anyone has a plan I´d love to hear it. Climate change is huge issue, and have a possible energy crisis at the same time is monumental.
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Why does everyone assume that it would be a bad thing if the planet were warmer? At the beginning of the Mesozoic, the mean temperature, as determined from O-17/O-16 ratios in radiolarian tests, was about 20 degrees higher than at present. This doesn´t seem to have inconvenienced the dinosaurs unduly!
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AC 316,

The Antarctic was at one time on the equator, so the north and south poles would have been somewhere else.. ergo your readings?
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I think the trend in global warming is due to the huge amount of methane gas being released in abundance by the bushtards.
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Neti, I fail to see what continental drift has to do with my statement.
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316 how would a warmer climate influence the propagation of mold spores, bacteria, algae, and viruses? How about the increase of methane gas into the atmosphere?
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The radiolarian tests would have been comparative readings in one place, would they not, perhaps at different depths of earth strata according to the different times.
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Obviously the fauna and flora would change. The changes would be unpredictable...but why does everyone assume they would all be undesirable?
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Neti, I was referring to the temperature averaged over the whole planet at one time, namely the beginning of the Triassic. I don´t know what you´re driving at.
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termite farts.
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I was assuming that the structure of the rocks at different depths, or the residual radioactivity, would have been used to tell the temperature at different times in the planet´s history.

I don´t really know what radiolarian tests are..
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Exactly 316, the key word is assume, which is exactly what you are doing.
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Radiolarian tests are the "shells" of radiolaria. They´re composed of calcium carbonate, CaCO3, and the oxygen-17/oxygen-16 ratio in them is affected by the temperature of the water.
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What am I "assuming", von Doom? You don´t seem to read very carefully.
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I read very carefully 316.

you are assuming that an increase in atmospheric temp would not necessarily be harmful.

Do you really want to roll the dice on this?
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The problem that makes climate change dangerous is the fact that the carring load of the earth has reached a breaking point. If there is enough time to adjust agricultureal pratices and energy distribution then some warming won´t be all bad, but dude 20 degree´s is death. We might could adjust to 1 or 2 degree´s over a couple of decades but even that will be hard and thatis if the population held steady. A rising population and having to make major change on already stressed agriculture in many places is a third world nightmare and even developed nations will have a hard task ahead. Throw in an energy crisis and you´ve got a global nightmare.
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If you "read very carefully", von Doom, then you´re not intelligent enough to understand what you read. I´m asking why everyone makes a particular assumption. I´m making no assumptions. Now is that simple enough for you?

Speaking of assumptions, Nerak, you´re assuming that an increase in temperature would mean a reduction in agricultural productivity. Why?
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Agricultural Sciences
Rice yields decline with higher night temperature from global warming
Shaobing Peng *, Jianliang Huang , John E. Sheehy *, Rebecca C. Laza *, Romeo M. Visperas *, Xuhua Zhong , Grace S. Centeno *, Gurdev S. Khush , ¶ and Kenneth G. Cassman ¶, ||

*Crop, Soil, and Water Sciences Division, International Rice Research Institute, DAPO Box 7777, Metro Manila, Philippines; Crop Physiology and Production Center, College of Plant Science and Technology, Huazhong Agricultural University, Wuhan, Hubei 430070, China; Rice Research Institute, Guangdong Academy of Agricultural Sciences, Guangzhou, Guangdong 510640, China; University of California, Davis, CA 95616; and ||Department of Agronomy and Horticulture, University of Nebraska, Lincoln, NE 68583

Contributed by Gurdev S. Khush, May 27, 2004


The impact of projected global warming on crop yields has been evaluated by indirect methods using simulation models. Direct studies on the effects of observed climate change on crop growth and yield could provide more accurate information for assessing the impact of climate change on crop production. We analyzed weather data at the International Rice Research Institute Farm from 1979 to 2003 to examine temperature trends and the relationship between rice yield and temperature by using data from irrigated field experiments conducted at the International Rice Research Institute Farm from 1992 to 2003. Here we report that annual mean maximum and minimum temperatures have increased by 0.35°C and 1.13°C, respectively, for the period 1979–2003 and a close linkage between rice grain yield and mean minimum temperature during the dry cropping season (January to April). Grain yield declined by 10% for each 1°C increase in growing-season minimum temperature in the dry season, whereas the effect of maximum temperature on crop yield was insignificant. This report provides a direct evidence of decreased rice yields from increased nighttime temperature associated with global warming.
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Good thread beautiful!hf
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"Simulation models", huh, Nerak? Maybe, maybe not. In any case, there´s a good deal more to agriculture than rice.

As for your second post...it´s mostly devoted to arguing that global warming is real. It concludes with a few less-than-profound comments to the effect that global warming might be bad, and then again, it might not.

My question remains unanswered.
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As for your third cut-and-paste job, Nerak...it says that global warming could be good for agriculture in the civilised world, then quotes somebody as saying that global warming is responsible for reduced rainfall in Africa. Maybe, maybe not. In any case, we would not expect that global climate change would be good for everyone, even if it were good for some.
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Well anything that destablizes third world countries is going to kill PEOPLE and take up more of productive countries resources, that is unless you just plan to let whole countries starve to death and war to spread globally. We have already put a strain on resources and if you can´t see that well good for you I guess, but any change takes adaptation and adaptation take time, all I´m saying is hope we have it.





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