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IS NASA LIEING ABOUT COMET ELENIN?

 
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and you are a little fuckhead!
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even when there will be evidence he will try and find ways to debunk cause the shame will be painful to his astrodick and astronuts.
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When there is any indication at all that something is unusual, I'll proclaim it as loudly as I can (as I did here Thread: Mystery "Launch" Hypothetical Orbital Elements *SIGHTING INDIRECTLY CONFIRMED, SOMETHING IS OUT THERE!!!!* ), but the fact of the matter is that this is nonsense.
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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you. Things are interconnected in life, it is a chain, we may observe happenings and make conclusions and that's like a LOT of sense into the Nibiru theory. But I guess there is no point into explaining stuff to a shill like you. And BTW no one really hates you, stop being such a drama queen and attention whore over this.
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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.

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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
 Quoting: Astronut


And possibly it is visible, do you have evidence that ELENIN is not Nibiru? As for the AC I guess you're right, I just figured who th would be angry so much at you knowing you from internet. But I saw your drama like reaction to his retort and thought this guy is overly dramatic, what does he have against you for real, is he selling anti-doom land in other galaxies, or something close to that?
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And possibly it is visible, do you have evidence that ELENIN is not Nibiru?
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Elenin's a comet, it is barely inclined to the ecliptic when Nibiru is supposed to be steeply inclined, it is ~magnitude 15 right now, far dimmer than what a large planet or brown dwarf would be at that distance, even if it were as black as asphalt, Elenin's orbit is over a million years long whereas Nibiru's is supposed to be 3600 years, and yes, Elenin is right where it should be according to its orbital elements:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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I don't know jack about it, but I must admit I am amazed that anything can have a 3600 year orbit, let alone a 10,000 year one!
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orbits can be millions of years.
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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
 Quoting: Astronut


From what I am reading, A brown dwarf star would not be detectable with a standard telescope. I found several articles on the subject. Here is one:
[link to rabbithole2.com]

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And possibly it is visible, do you have evidence that ELENIN is not Nibiru?
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Elenin's a comet, it is barely inclined to the ecliptic when Nibiru is supposed to be steeply inclined, it is ~magnitude 15 right now, far dimmer than what a large planet or brown dwarf would be at that distance, even if it were as black as asphalt, Elenin's orbit is over a million years long whereas Nibiru's is supposed to be 3600 years, and yes, Elenin is right where it should be according to its orbital elements:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
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The Moon's albedo is only about 0.12. It only reflects about 12% of the light that hits it. Mars' albedo is only about 0.15.

But both are visible. If the fictional "Nibiru" is a gas giant or a brown dwarf and it's composition is closer to that of Jupiter, it should be even more visible. Jupiter's albedo is about 0.52 (reflects just over half the light reaching it) and Saturn's albedo is 0.47.

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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
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From what I have read on this subject, a brown dwarf star would not be seen with any standard telescope. Here is a link to one of those articles:

[link to rabbithole2.com]

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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
 Quoting: Astronut


From what I am reading, A brown dwarf star would not be detectable with a standard telescope. I found several articles on the subject. Here is one:
[link to rabbithole2.com]

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 Quoting: Argana


And you quote the Rabbithole, oblivious to the fact that brown dwarfs reflect light, and that we'd be seeing the gravitational effects of such an object in our solar system as far back as the 90s.

How's that brain working out for you?
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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
 Quoting: Astronut


From what I am reading, A brown dwarf star would not be detectable with a standard telescope. I found several articles on the subject. Here is one:
[link to rabbithole2.com]

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 Quoting: Argana


You should be reading up on actual astronomy, rather than articles from Nibiru believers like Lucus.

Here's the lone brown dwarf 2MASS J16452211-1319516 in infrared light using the same Palomar survey telescope normally used for visible light observations. It's the star near the center of the image:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
And here's the same brown dwarf in visible red light:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
It's much dimmer relative to the other stars in visible light, but it's still detectable, and that's from 39 light years away using just a regular red sensitive film plate!

The thing is, it doesn't even matter how much or how little infrared or red light the brown dwarf would be emitting, it would still reflect the sun's light and that alone would make it detectable regardless of emitted light. A brown dwarf at the distance from the earth that Elenin is currently at would not only be naked eye magnitude, but it would be one of the brightest objects in the sky. Brown dwarf stars tend to be not much larger than Jupiter in surface area, though they have many times Jupiter's mass. That's still a lot of surface area though, so even if it were as black as asphalt it would still be about magnitude -1.49 at 2.541 AU distance just based on reflected sunlight light alone (and that's an extremely conservative estimate because I factored in a sun distance of about 5 AU instead of the true 3.418 AU, so it would actually be even brighter than that).
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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
 Quoting: Astronut


From what I am reading, A brown dwarf star would not be detectable with a standard telescope. I found several articles on the subject. Here is one:
[link to rabbithole2.com]

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And this could be the reason why Nasa has made a statement saying they shut down the Wise telescope because it ran out of coolant.. So they can't give out information because it's out of commission. The story just keeps getting thicker.
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And possibly it is visible, do you have evidence that ELENIN is not Nibiru?
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Elenin's a comet, it is barely inclined to the ecliptic when Nibiru is supposed to be steeply inclined, it is ~magnitude 15 right now, far dimmer than what a large planet or brown dwarf would be at that distance, even if it were as black as asphalt, Elenin's orbit is over a million years long whereas Nibiru's is supposed to be 3600 years, and yes, Elenin is right where it should be according to its orbital elements:
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Astronut

The Moon's albedo is only about 0.12. It only reflects about 12% of the light that hits it. Mars' albedo is only about 0.15.

But both are visible. If the fictional "Nibiru" is a gas giant or a brown dwarf and it's composition is closer to that of Jupiter, it should be even more visible. Jupiter's albedo is about 0.52 (reflects just over half the light reaching it) and Saturn's albedo is 0.47.
 Quoting: Gazmik


You're right of course, which is why calculating it with an albedo of fresh asphalt is extremely generous, but even with that generosity it still can't hide anywhere near the inner solar system without being detected.
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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
 Quoting: Astronut


From what I am reading, A brown dwarf star would not be detectable with a standard telescope. I found several articles on the subject. Here is one:
[link to rabbithole2.com]

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And this could be the reason why Nasa has made a statement saying they shut down the Wise telescope because it ran out of coolant.. So they can't give out information because it's out of commission. The story just keeps getting thicker.
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Because god forbid missions have deadlines.
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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
 Quoting: Astronut


From what I am reading, A brown dwarf star would not be detectable with a standard telescope. I found several articles on the subject. Here is one:
[link to rabbithole2.com]

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 Quoting: Argana


And you quote the Rabbithole, oblivious to the fact that brown dwarfs reflect light, and that we'd be seeing the gravitational effects of such an object in our solar system as far back as the 90s.

How's that brain working out for you?
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Why is it when someone on this forum has a differing opinion, they feel they should fling insults at one another. Did you even read the article. It had many interesting facts:

1995: First brown dwarf verified. Teide 1, an M8 object in the Pleiades cluster, is picked out with a CCD in the Spanish Observatory of Roque de los Muchachos of the Instituto de Astrofísica de Canarias.

First methane brown dwarf verified. Gliese 229B is discovered orbiting red dwarf Gliese 229A (20 ly away) using an adaptive optics coronagraph to sharpen images from the 60 inch (1.5 m) reflecting telescope at Palomar Observatory on Southern California's Mt. Palomar; follow up infrared spectroscopy made with their 200 inch (5 m) Hale telescope shows an abundance of methane.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Some more proof of that would be to go to Google Images and search for a picture of a brown dwarf star. They just don't exist. You will find many artists renditions, but, only one single image of a brown dwarf, the one described above.

That tells us that yes, brown dwarf stars do exist, but, they are very hard to see or image. It also tells us that we did not even have the capability to verify a brown dwarf star until 1995.

The IRAS Telescope and the 1983 Washington Post Article

The Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) was the first-ever space-based observatory to perform a survey of the entire sky at infrared wavelengths. Launched on January 25, 1983, its mission lasted ten months. The telescope was a joint project of the United States, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom.

Now, going back to the 1983 Washington Post article, we find these following statements.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 billion miles.

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the super cold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens.

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40 degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 456 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are only 20 degrees above absolute zero.

Also, going back to the 1982 Newsweek Article "Does the Sun Have a Dark Companion" you find these statements.

When scientists noticed that Uranus wasn't following its predicted orbit for example, they didn't question their theories. Instead they blamed the anomalies on an as yet unseen planet and, sure enough, Neptune was discovered in 1846. Now astronomers are using the same strategy to explain quirks in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. According to John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., this odd behavior suggests that the sun has an unseen companion, a dark star gravitationally bound to it but billions of miles away.
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Some more proof of that would be to go to Google Images and search for a picture of a brown dwarf star. They just don't exist.
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Why the heck would you use "google images" to search for astronomical images of brown dwarf stars? They do exist, even in visible light, as I pointed out above. You also have the additional factor of the sun's light reflecting off the dwarf that you must take into account. For a brown dwarf at the distance Elenin is currently at this would make it not only visible, but incredibly bright compared to the stars.

For the rest of the nonsense you'll find these articles incredibly enlightening:

Unidentified point sources in the IRAS minisurvey, Houck et al. Astrophysical Journal, vol. 278, March 1, 1984, p. L63-L66

Unidentified IRAS sources - Ultrahigh-luminosity galaxies, Houck et al., Astrophysical Journal, vol. 290, March 1, 1985, p. L5-L8.

Optical counterparts of unidentified IRAS point sources Infrared luminous galaxies, Aaronson and Olszewski, Nature, vol. 309, May 31, 1984, p. 414-417.

Planet X - No dynamical evidence in the optical observations, Standish, E. M. Astronomical Journal (ISSN 0004-6256), vol. 105, no. 5, p. 2000-2006.
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What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
 Quoting: Astronut


From what I am reading, A brown dwarf star would not be detectable with a standard telescope. I found several articles on the subject. Here is one:
[link to rabbithole2.com]

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 Quoting: Argana


And you quote the Rabbithole, oblivious to the fact that brown dwarfs reflect light, and that we'd be seeing the gravitational effects of such an object in our solar system as far back as the 90s.

How's that brain working out for you?
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Why is it when someone on this forum has a differing opinion, they feel they should fling insults at one another. Did you even read the article. It had many interesting facts:

1995: First brown dwarf verified. Teide 1, an M8 object in the Pleiades cluster, is picked out with a CCD in the Spanish Observatory of Roque de los Muchachos of the Instituto de Astrofísica de Canarias.

First methane brown dwarf verified. Gliese 229B is discovered orbiting red dwarf Gliese 229A (20 ly away) using an adaptive optics coronagraph to sharpen images from the 60 inch (1.5 m) reflecting telescope at Palomar Observatory on Southern California's Mt. Palomar; follow up infrared spectroscopy made with their 200 inch (5 m) Hale telescope shows an abundance of methane.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Some more proof of that would be to go to Google Images and search for a picture of a brown dwarf star. They just don't exist. You will find many artists renditions, but, only one single image of a brown dwarf, the one described above.

That tells us that yes, brown dwarf stars do exist, but, they are very hard to see or image. It also tells us that we did not even have the capability to verify a brown dwarf star until 1995.

The IRAS Telescope and the 1983 Washington Post Article

The Infrared Astronomical Satellite (IRAS) was the first-ever space-based observatory to perform a survey of the entire sky at infrared wavelengths. Launched on January 25, 1983, its mission lasted ten months. The telescope was a joint project of the United States, the Netherlands, and the United Kingdom.

Now, going back to the 1983 Washington Post article, we find these following statements.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 billion miles.

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the super cold helium that allowed its telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens.

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40 degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 456 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are only 20 degrees above absolute zero.

Also, going back to the 1982 Newsweek Article "Does the Sun Have a Dark Companion" you find these statements.

When scientists noticed that Uranus wasn't following its predicted orbit for example, they didn't question their theories. Instead they blamed the anomalies on an as yet unseen planet and, sure enough, Neptune was discovered in 1846. Now astronomers are using the same strategy to explain quirks in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune. According to John Anderson of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., this odd behavior suggests that the sun has an unseen companion, a dark star gravitationally bound to it but billions of miles away.
 Quoting: Argana


So, you cite Harrington's theory, which was proven false when Neptune's mass was corrected by Voyager 2, and the old 1983 article.

Fun facts: the objects were discovered several weeks before the publication of said article, and here was what was discovered:

[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]

50 billion miles was also conjectural, and that equals just over 500 AU.

So we can see objects untold millions of lightyears away, but fail to find something within or near our own solar system.

Okay.
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yeah right, nonsense- no sense! Are you listening to yourself? Where are your eyes? Look around you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

What you really mean by that is where is my confirmation bias. Nibiru is nonsense, plain and simple. A large planet or brown dwarf would be plainly visible by now, even if it were as black as fresh asphalt.

Oh, and don't speak for 1290320, he can speak for himself. His anger is self-evident.
 Quoting: Astronut


From what I am reading, A brown dwarf star would not be detectable with a standard telescope. I found several articles on the subject. Here is one:
[link to rabbithole2.com]

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 Quoting: Argana


You should be reading up on actual astronomy, rather than articles from Nibiru believers like Lucus.

Here's the lone brown dwarf 2MASS J16452211-1319516 in infrared light using the same Palomar survey telescope normally used for visible light observations. It's the star near the center of the image:

[link to archive.stsci.edu]
And here's the same brown dwarf in visible red light:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
It's much dimmer relative to the other stars in visible light, but it's still detectable, and that's from 39 light years away using just a regular red sensitive film plate!

The thing is, it doesn't even matter how much or how little infrared or red light the brown dwarf would be emitting, it would still reflect the sun's light and that alone would make it detectable regardless of emitted light. A brown dwarf at the distance from the earth that Elenin is currently at would not only be naked eye magnitude, but it would be one of the brightest objects in the sky. Brown dwarf stars tend to be not much larger than Jupiter in surface area, though they have many times Jupiter's mass. That's still a lot of surface area though, so even if it were as black as asphalt it would still be about magnitude -1.49 at 2.541 AU distance just based on reflected sunlight light alone (and that's an extremely conservative estimate because I factored in a sun distance of about 5 AU instead of the true 3.418 AU, so it would actually be even brighter than that).
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Thank you for not being insulting, and they are interesting photos. As for the Book suggestions, I am unable to go to Library and have no finances to purchase. Would love some links to better online sources on the subject, if you have them.
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Thank you for not being insulting, and they are interesting photos. As for the Book suggestions, I am unable to go to Library and have no finances to purchase. Would love some links to better online sources on the subject, if you have them.
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[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]
Can't get you this one without violating copyright rules. Any college library should have it:
[link to www.nature.com]
[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]
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hey astronut,

i'm a believer in nibiru because the bible talks about
it a lot, if you have the eyes to see and the ears to
hear. in the bible, nibiru is coded as the stone/lamb with
7 eyes (moons), the 7 lampstands, etc...

but i also admire you, astronut, because of your innate
skepticism and challenges for more objective proof.
you have an intelligently contrarian mindset and a
matching level of subtle paranoia that automatically
never trusts anything unless there is conclusive
proof. --- basically, you remind me of myself.

one of the things i would advise you on is that the
astronomers and astrologers of egypt's pharoah during
the israelite exodus were caught completely by
surprise when nibiru made its slingshot run through
the inner solar system. otherwise, pharoah would
have never let the hebrew slaves go had he known that
the shit storm of plagues that was falling around
his ears was a mostly natural phenomenom caused by
nibiru's disruptions. ancient egypt was a civilization
that worshiped the starry skies and organized their
society around the movements of the heavens. and the
egyptians most certainly had telescopes. so by the
time nibiru crossed the ecliptic, it was already too
late and the egyptian astronomers/astrologers were
literally caught with their pants down. the hebrews later
memorialized the "sign" in the skies during their exodus
(nibiru) with the 7 candled menorah.

in some of the ancient manuscripts that tell of the
"destroyer", we are told that it is surrounded by
a dust cloud of iron oxide rust. in the old testament,
this obscuring dust cloud is called ha'araphel - the
deep darkness that obscures the glory of yahoveh.

my question to you, astronut, is: what is the albedo
of a large rust cloud in space?

in hinduism, nibiru is shiva. why does shiva have
black skin? why was the advanced civilization during
noah's time also caught completely by surprise by
nibiru? why do the illuminati/jesuits refer to nibiru
as the black madonna? why did the mayans call
nibiru the jaguar or leopard sun?

what i'm trying to drive at, astronut, is why do you
deem yourself more intelligent and knowledgeable than
the astronomers/astrologers of previous advanced
civilizations that were wiped out by nibiru's passage?

my dear dear astronut. i know you are a smart dude
with a minimum of a bachelor's degree in a hard
science, but...

WHY REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF YOUR ANCIENT PREDECESSORS?

and even if didn't believe in nibiru, this youtube
alone tells me that there is something extremely wrong
with this elenin comet:





i give you a lot of credit for debunking
overly enthusiastic liars like astrolpatriot who is
clearly recycling old leaked SPT photos of nibiru in
his youtube vids. however, if you subtract the noise
caused by liars and poseurs, there is a lot of
undeniable data points that are warning us that something
wicked is coming our way...


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Nasa states that comet Elenin takes 10,000 years to complete one orbit. If comet Elenin is suppose to be Nibiru or planet X and it comes around every 3600 years the numbers don't add up. Either Nasa is lieing or Elinin is not Nibiru. Or Im sofaking confused after researching all this stuff. Can anyone clue me in better?

[link to astrobiology.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1128877


Well these little tidbits of info is what i find disturbing.

1.The direction elenin is coming from has been blocked on wiki google and microsoft sky.

2. Its coming in on the ecliptic as predicted from the sumerians

3. Its moving the same speed as a planet

4. It has 6 satlites around like the sumerians predicted.

5. there has been three alignments with the earth elenin and the sun and three major earthquakes chili christchurch japan

6. Its size has been recored as hugh

7.and all the solar flares seem to head in the direction of this so called comet

8.And form the pictures from astropatriot it shure looks like a planet and is red.

9 And it is odd the astrlopatriot site on utube has been shut down

10 Last nasa shure seems to be dancing around the subject
Go fast or go home
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Funny how he mentioned people think it will cause major earthquakes and this is a lie. And as we all know, there haven't been in any major earthquakes lately. (dripping with sarcasm) I don't know, but I have no reason to believe that "the powers that be" will be honest and forthcoming.
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Did you really post this the day before Japan's quake? Has your opinion changed after that?
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Never A Straight Answer, is trying to keep everyone confused. They don't want people to know the truth. They have been intentionally pumping out disinformation to keep people guessing. They have tried to confuse us with the Niburu, Nemisis, planet X, Elenin, comet Honda crap. They figure (rightly) that if they split the population with multiple disinformation story lines, nobody will have an agreement on what is happening.
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hey astronut,

i'm a believer in nibiru because the bible talks about
it a lot, if you have the eyes to see and the ears to
hear. in the bible, nibiru is coded as the stone/lamb with
7 eyes (moons), the 7 lampstands, etc...

but i also admire you, astronut, because of your innate
skepticism and challenges for more objective proof.
you have an intelligently contrarian mindset and a
matching level of subtle paranoia that automatically
never trusts anything unless there is conclusive
proof. --- basically, you remind me of myself.

one of the things i would advise you on is that the
astronomers and astrologers of egypt's pharoah during
the israelite exodus were caught completely by
surprise when nibiru made its slingshot run through
the inner solar system. otherwise, pharoah would
have never let the hebrew slaves go had he known that
the shit storm of plagues that was falling around
his ears was a mostly natural phenomenom caused by
nibiru's disruptions. ancient egypt was a civilization
that worshiped the starry skies and organized their
society around the movements of the heavens. and the
egyptians most certainly had telescopes. so by the
time nibiru crossed the ecliptic, it was already too
late and the egyptian astronomers/astrologers were
literally caught with their pants down. the hebrews later
memorialized the "sign" in the skies during their exodus
(nibiru) with the 7 candled menorah.

in some of the ancient manuscripts that tell of the
"destroyer", we are told that it is surrounded by
a dust cloud of iron oxide rust. in the old testament,
this obscuring dust cloud is called ha'araphel - the
deep darkness that obscures the glory of yahoveh.

my question to you, astronut, is: what is the albedo
of a large rust cloud in space?

in hinduism, nibiru is shiva. why does shiva have
black skin? why was the advanced civilization during
noah's time also caught completely by surprise by
nibiru? why do the illuminati/jesuits refer to nibiru
as the black madonna? why did the mayans call
nibiru the jaguar or leopard sun?

what i'm trying to drive at, astronut, is why do you
deem yourself more intelligent and knowledgeable than
the astronomers/astrologers of previous advanced
civilizations that were wiped out by nibiru's passage?

my dear dear astronut. i know you are a smart dude
with a minimum of a bachelor's degree in a hard
science, but...

WHY REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF YOUR ANCIENT PREDECESSORS?

and even if didn't believe in nibiru, this youtube
alone tells me that there is something extremely wrong
with this elenin comet:





i give you a lot of credit for debunking
overly enthusiastic liars like astrolpatriot who is
clearly recycling old leaked SPT photos of nibiru in
his youtube vids. however, if you subtract the noise
caused by liars and poseurs, there is a lot of
undeniable data points that are warning us that something
wicked is coming our way...

 Quoting: grimmlord


hey grimmlord the video is gone ,,,,,, you dont have a copy do you ??
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hey astronut,

i'm a believer in nibiru because the bible talks about
it a lot, if you have the eyes to see and the ears to
hear. in the bible, nibiru is coded as the stone/lamb with
7 eyes (moons), the 7 lampstands, etc...

but i also admire you, astronut, because of your innate
skepticism and challenges for more objective proof.
you have an intelligently contrarian mindset and a
matching level of subtle paranoia that automatically
never trusts anything unless there is conclusive
proof. --- basically, you remind me of myself.

one of the things i would advise you on is that the
astronomers and astrologers of egypt's pharoah during
the israelite exodus were caught completely by
surprise when nibiru made its slingshot run through
the inner solar system. otherwise, pharoah would
have never let the hebrew slaves go had he known that
the shit storm of plagues that was falling around
his ears was a mostly natural phenomenom caused by
nibiru's disruptions. ancient egypt was a civilization
that worshiped the starry skies and organized their
society around the movements of the heavens. and the
egyptians most certainly had telescopes. so by the
time nibiru crossed the ecliptic, it was already too
late and the egyptian astronomers/astrologers were
literally caught with their pants down. the hebrews later
memorialized the "sign" in the skies during their exodus
(nibiru) with the 7 candled menorah.

in some of the ancient manuscripts that tell of the
"destroyer", we are told that it is surrounded by
a dust cloud of iron oxide rust. in the old testament,
this obscuring dust cloud is called ha'araphel - the
deep darkness that obscures the glory of yahoveh.

my question to you, astronut, is: what is the albedo
of a large rust cloud in space?

in hinduism, nibiru is shiva. why does shiva have
black skin? why was the advanced civilization during
noah's time also caught completely by surprise by
nibiru? why do the illuminati/jesuits refer to nibiru
as the black madonna? why did the mayans call
nibiru the jaguar or leopard sun?

what i'm trying to drive at, astronut, is why do you
deem yourself more intelligent and knowledgeable than
the astronomers/astrologers of previous advanced
civilizations that were wiped out by nibiru's passage?

my dear dear astronut. i know you are a smart dude
with a minimum of a bachelor's degree in a hard
science, but...

WHY REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF YOUR ANCIENT PREDECESSORS?

and even if didn't believe in nibiru, this youtube
alone tells me that there is something extremely wrong
with this elenin comet:





i give you a lot of credit for debunking
overly enthusiastic liars like astrolpatriot who is
clearly recycling old leaked SPT photos of nibiru in
his youtube vids. however, if you subtract the noise
caused by liars and poseurs, there is a lot of
undeniable data points that are warning us that something
wicked is coming our way...

 Quoting: grimmlord


starwars
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hey astronut,

i'm a believer in nibiru because the bible talks about
it a lot, if you have the eyes to see and the ears to
hear. in the bible, nibiru is coded as the stone/lamb with
7 eyes (moons), the 7 lampstands, etc...

but i also admire you, astronut, because of your innate
skepticism and challenges for more objective proof.
you have an intelligently contrarian mindset and a
matching level of subtle paranoia that automatically
never trusts anything unless there is conclusive
proof. --- basically, you remind me of myself.

one of the things i would advise you on is that the
astronomers and astrologers of egypt's pharoah during
the israelite exodus were caught completely by
surprise when nibiru made its slingshot run through
the inner solar system. otherwise, pharoah would
have never let the hebrew slaves go had he known that
the shit storm of plagues that was falling around
his ears was a mostly natural phenomenom caused by
nibiru's disruptions. ancient egypt was a civilization
that worshiped the starry skies and organized their
society around the movements of the heavens. and the
egyptians most certainly had telescopes. so by the
time nibiru crossed the ecliptic, it was already too
late and the egyptian astronomers/astrologers were
literally caught with their pants down. the hebrews later
memorialized the "sign" in the skies during their exodus
(nibiru) with the 7 candled menorah.

in some of the ancient manuscripts that tell of the
"destroyer", we are told that it is surrounded by
a dust cloud of iron oxide rust. in the old testament,
this obscuring dust cloud is called ha'araphel - the
deep darkness that obscures the glory of yahoveh.

my question to you, astronut, is: what is the albedo
of a large rust cloud in space?

in hinduism, nibiru is shiva. why does shiva have
black skin? why was the advanced civilization during
noah's time also caught completely by surprise by
nibiru? why do the illuminati/jesuits refer to nibiru
as the black madonna? why did the mayans call
nibiru the jaguar or leopard sun?

what i'm trying to drive at, astronut, is why do you
deem yourself more intelligent and knowledgeable than
the astronomers/astrologers of previous advanced
civilizations that were wiped out by nibiru's passage?

my dear dear astronut. i know you are a smart dude
with a minimum of a bachelor's degree in a hard
science, but...

WHY REPEAT THE MISTAKES OF YOUR ANCIENT PREDECESSORS?

and even if didn't believe in nibiru, this youtube
alone tells me that there is something extremely wrong
with this elenin comet:





i give you a lot of credit for debunking
overly enthusiastic liars like astrolpatriot who is
clearly recycling old leaked SPT photos of nibiru in
his youtube vids. however, if you subtract the noise
caused by liars and poseurs, there is a lot of
undeniable data points that are warning us that something
wicked is coming our way...

 Quoting: grimmlord


hey grimmlord the video is gone ,,,,,, you dont have a copy do you ??
 Quoting: highwic


This is the original. Sound needs to be turned way up. [link to www.youtube.com]

I like the remix better:






GLP