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****Fuel rod fire at Fukushima reactor “would be like Chernobyl on steroids” ****

 
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****Fuel rod fire at Fukushima reactor “would be like Chernobyl on steroids” ****
People...This is more serious than I ever imagined. Pray for all of those people over there.


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"Although Tokyo Electric said it also continued to deal with cooling system failures and high pressures at half a dozen of its 10 reactors in the two Fukushima complexes, fears mounted about the threat posed by the pools of water where years of spent fuel rods are stored.

At the 40-year-old Fukushima Daiichi unit 1, where an explosion Saturday destroyed a building housing the reactor, the spent fuel pool, in accordance with General Electric’s design, is placed above the reactor. Tokyo Electric said it was trying to figure out how to maintain water levels in the pools, indicating that the normal safety systems there had failed, too. Failure to keep adequate water levels in a pool would lead to a catastrophic fire, said nuclear experts, some of whom think that unit 1’s pool may now be outside.

“That would be like Chernobyl on steroids,” said Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer at Fairewinds Associates and a member of the public oversight panel for the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, which is identical to the Fukushima Daiichi unit 1.

People familiar with the plant said there are seven spent fuel pools at Fukushima Daiichi, many of them densely packed.

Gundersen said the unit 1 pool could have as much as 20 years of spent fuel rods, which are still radioactive."

We’d be lucky if we only had to worry about the spent fuel rods from a single holding pool. We’re not that lucky. The Fukushima Daiichi plant has seven pools for spent fuel rods. Six of these are (or were) located at the top of six reactor buildings. One “common pool” is at ground level in a separate building. Each “reactor top” pool holds 3450 fuel rod assemblies. The common pool holds 6291 fuel rod assemblies. [The common pool has windows on one wall which were almost certainly destroyed by the tsunami.] Each assembly holds sixty-three fuel rods. This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods.


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This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods.

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Holy shit! Why the fuck would they store these things in the roofs of reactor buildings that can explode???
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This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods.

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Holy shit! Why the fuck would they store these things in the roofs of reactor buildings that can explode???
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That is a very good question.

To add to that - why do the reactor vent systems automatically and irreversibly seal themselves shut at high pressure so the whole thing will inevitably explode when there is a loss of cooling accident??????
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What seems to be the problem?
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This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods.

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Holy shit! Why the fuck would they store these things in the roofs of reactor buildings that can explode???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1297176


That is a very good question.

To add to that - why do the reactor vent systems automatically and irreversibly seal themselves shut at high pressure so the whole thing will inevitably explode when there is a loss of cooling accident??????
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These are both question that need to be answered. and how hard is it to get a fucking diesel generator or electrical pump dropped off from a chopper to fix this dam thing. Why are we not being told by anyone, anything. Unless of course we have passed by the point of no return. In that case they must Evac Tokyo ASAP, and move them south.
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Thanks for the pin.

1st time for everything.

Too bad it can't be about something positive.
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granny
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What seems to be the problem?
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This person has been going around posting this same stupid thing in a bunch of threads.
It should be way past their bedtime as Im sure their mommy is probably going to be angry they are playing on the computer without permission.
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This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods.

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Holy shit! Why the fuck would they store these things in the roofs of reactor buildings that can explode???
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jap.nuke.gov knows this from start too.

we keep lod in loof more yen
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This is getting to be beyond depressing. At this rate I wouldn't be suprised to see Godzilla coming out of the water.
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This is getting to be beyond depressing. At this rate I wouldn't be suprised to see Godzilla coming out of the water.
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What seems to be the problem?
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This person has been going around posting this same stupid thing in a bunch of threads.
It should be way past their bedtime as Im sure their mommy is probably going to be angry they are playing on the computer without permission.
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That idiot needs granny to shove that finger up his butt and break it off so we can be rid of both annoying bitches.
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Chernobyl Radiation Killed Nearly One Million People: New Book



" NEW YORK, New York, April 26, 2010 (ENS) - Nearly one million people around the world died from exposure to radiation released by the 1986 nuclear disaster at the Chernobyl reactor, finds a new book from the New York Academy of Sciences published today on the 24th anniversary of the meltdown at the Soviet facility.

The book, "Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment," was compiled by authors Alexey Yablokov of the Center for Russian Environmental Policy in Moscow, and Vassily Nesterenko and Alexey Nesterenko of the Institute of Radiation Safety, in Minsk, Belarus.


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" The authors said, "For the past 23 years, it has been clear that there is a danger greater than nuclear weapons concealed within nuclear power. Emissions from this one reactor exceeded a hundred-fold the radioactive contamination of the bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki."



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" The book explores effects of Chernobyl fallout that arrived above the United States nine days after the disaster. Fallout entered the U.S. environment and food chain through rainfall. Levels of iodine-131 in milk, for example, were seven to 28 times above normal in May and June 1986. The authors found that the highest U.S. radiation levels were recorded in the Pacific Northwest. "





entire article at link

[link to www.ens-newswire.com]





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in an earthquake zone that has just had 30- 50 earthquakes in the last weeks they are storing 20 years of rods. only one word comes to mind. Criminal.
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not criminal. premeditated.
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And Japan was country beleived to have most advanced nuclear technology and procedures ...

I am even scared to think of what can happened in some other country...
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THERE IS A FIRE AT THE FUEL HOLDING POOL!

Thread: LOOK AT THE IAEA WEBSITE!

THIS IS CHERNOBYL ON STEROIDS

THE ENTIRE NORTHERN HEMISPHERE IS IN DEEP SHIT.
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Why they build these plants in earth quake zones is beyond me. The next question is what do they do with nuclear waste. Until we know how to safely dispose of the waste, we should not be using nuclear energy...IMHO.
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People...This is more serious than I ever imagined. Pray for all of those people over there.


[link to my.firedoglake.com]

"Although Tokyo Electric said it also continued to deal with cooling system failures and high pressures at half a dozen of its 10 reactors in the two Fukushima complexes, fears mounted about the threat posed by the pools of water where years of spent fuel rods are stored.

At the 40-year-old Fukushima Daiichi unit 1, where an explosion Saturday destroyed a building housing the reactor, the spent fuel pool, in accordance with General Electric’s design, is placed above the reactor. Tokyo Electric said it was trying to figure out how to maintain water levels in the pools, indicating that the normal safety systems there had failed, too. Failure to keep adequate water levels in a pool would lead to a catastrophic fire, said nuclear experts, some of whom think that unit 1’s pool may now be outside.

“That would be like Chernobyl on steroids,” said Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer at Fairewinds Associates and a member of the public oversight panel for the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, which is identical to the Fukushima Daiichi unit 1.

People familiar with the plant said there are seven spent fuel pools at Fukushima Daiichi, many of them densely packed.

Gundersen said the unit 1 pool could have as much as 20 years of spent fuel rods, which are still radioactive."

We’d be lucky if we only had to worry about the spent fuel rods from a single holding pool. We’re not that lucky. The Fukushima Daiichi plant has seven pools for spent fuel rods. Six of these are (or were) located at the top of six reactor buildings. One “common pool” is at ground level in a separate building. Each “reactor top” pool holds 3450 fuel rod assemblies. The common pool holds 6291 fuel rod assemblies. [The common pool has windows on one wall which were almost certainly destroyed by the tsunami.] Each assembly holds sixty-three fuel rods. This means the Fukushima Daiichi plant may contain over 600,000 spent fuel rods.


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OH for CRIPES SAKE!

Time to just bulldoze over Japan and cover the whole island with cement 6 feet thick.....or bulldoze Japan back into the sea.


This is out of control.

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I am not sure if anyone have posted this pic before, but it was first time i seen it

looks like #3 got a proper beating - comparing to the other one.

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I am not sure if anyone have posted this pic before, but it was first time i seen it

looks like #3 got a proper beating - comparing to the other one.

[link to www.digitalglobe.com]


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Yeah....posted many times already.
At this point... that pic is old and not accurate as to what is seen any more.

2 other roofs have gone "BOOM!"


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Fuel rods on fire.

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Super-duper fucked.
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Why they build these plants in earth quake zones is beyond me. The next question is what do they do with nuclear waste. Until we know how to safely dispose of the waste, we should not be using nuclear energy...IMHO.
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Your opinion is becoming more and more correct as the hours go on. I'd love to see the pro-nuclear power bastards try to justify it's use now.
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As things have been going with these reactors since the eq....from bad to worse...I really can't see this turn around anymore....I think this is getting completely out of hand....
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This is the real doom right here. Fuel rod fire confirmed by IAEA. The nuclear shit just hit the wind tunnel.
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GAME OVER, MAN. GAME OVER!




wtf are we gonna do now?
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Nuclear experts point out that Japan's boiling water reactors are nothing like the reactors at Chernobyl.

Chernobyl, in Ukraine, was the site of the world's worse civilian nuclear power plant accident in 1986. Graphite - combustible at higher temperatures - was used to cool the fuel rods and there was no container structure around the reactor. When the rods failed to control the nuclear fission chain reaction, explosions occurred, releasing radioactive plumes that blew across Europe.

The General Electric-designed reactors at Fukushima Daiichi plant use water rather than graphite, so a similar explosion is not possible.

Experts also stress that a nuclear explosion is impossible, even if there were no container structures or if they all failed, as the fuel in the rods are not sufficiently enriched.

“The suggestions of a possible nuclear explosion are ill-founded and not based on scientific fact,” Professor Richard Wakeford of Manchester University's Dalton Nuclear Institute told the Financial Times.


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great article on pools of spent fuel rods stored directly above the f*** reactors

[link to www.thiscantbehappening.net]

unbelievable, why are they stored there? possibly to hide them from the public, to keep the used fuel problems at a lower profile
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Nuclear experts point out that Japan's boiling water reactors are nothing like the reactors at Chernobyl.
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pay attention dumb ass, we're not talking about the reactors

we're talking about huge pools with 40 years worth of spent fuel rods stored directly above the frick'n reactors

experts say that if they catch fire they may spew far more radiation into the atmosphere than chernobyl
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and by the way, the article i link shows a photo with white smoke rising from an area where the waste pool may have been in one of the reactor buildings





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