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•Number One Science Blog calls for a boycott of Google.•

 
ShaneCMuir
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•Number One Science Blog calls for a boycott of Google.•
It seems that Google has taken sides over the Global Warming debate.
[link to solveclimatenews.com]

The 2011 Science Blog of the year ' wattsupwiththat.com ' , is not happy about it.
[link to wattsupwiththat.com]

Willis Eschenbach writes in an Open Letter to Google:
"Recently, you have decided to take sides in a scientific debate. That in itself is very foolish. Why would Google want to take either side when there is a disagreement between scientists? I thought your motto was “Do No Evil.” For the 900-pound gorilla to take sides in any tempestuous politically charged scientific discussion is an extremely stupid thing to do, and in this case definitely verges on the E-word."

".. seriously, what you are doing is really scary, I implore and beg you to stop it. Your business is information and secrets, and ethically you can’t be anything else. You hold too much dangerous knowledge to be a player in any political/scientific dogfight, or any other fight. You not only need to be neutral. You need to seem to be neutral."

An Open Letter to Google
[link to wattsupwiththat.com]

We need to send a message to Google that we not happy with them.. they simply cannot take sides on debates of this nature.



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R. Gates comments:

“The U.S. is a Corporate controlled country, and this is the true form of Fascism as Mussolini meant it…it is not a control of corporations by the government, but rather, a control of government by corporations. Washington D.C. and American national policy is dictated by large, wealthy, and very powerful multinational corporations. These corporations do battle every day between each other for bits and pieces of that control, and hence the reason that lobbyists in D.C. outnumber politicians about 100 to 1.”
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Arno Arrak comments:

"I have always suspected that Google is holding back on climate searches that might embarrass the establishment. Here is an example that I have fruitlessly tried to google. It involves an article I read about Stephen Schneider and how he got his MacArthur fellowship. It was in a popular science magazine in the middle or late nineties and explained that he got his genius award because he influenced some crucial wording in the 1990 IPCC report he worked on. The article gave both the original wording and his wording for comparison and I thought that both of them were wishy-washy. But I was not really interested in climate at that time and forgot the source until I started doing my own climate research in 2008. I tried to find it because now I realized the significance of this but no matter how I Googled it I did not get it. In the article he also said that the award arrived at a time when he really needed it because he was in the middle of a bitter divorce and had spent all his resources. There is no record of this divorce in his CV or anywhere else. He is said to be married to Terry Root and if you Google him and divorce you get a list of divorce lawyers. And this hide-the-facts game continues despite his demise last year. To me this is not an accident and indicates a deep and hidden effort by Google to make the CO2 advocates side look good. The Google scholar project only makes it official."
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Eisenhower did warn us:

“Akin to, and largely responsible for the sweeping changes in our industrial-military posture, has been the technological revolution during recent decades.

In this revolution, research has become central; it also becomes more formalized, complex, and costly. A steadily increasing share is conducted for, by, or at the direction of, the Federal Government.

Today, the solitary inventor, tinkering in his shop, has been overshadowed by task forces of scientists in laboratories and testing fields. In the same fashion, the free university, historically the fountainhead of free ideas and scientific discovery, has experienced a revolution in the conduct of research. Partly because of the huge costs involved, a government contract becomes virtually a substitute for intellectual curiosity. For every old blackboard there are now hundreds of new electronic computers.

The prospect of domination of the nation’s scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present – and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.”
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That's CRAZY They hold back on info to keep people in the dark. What other topics do they do this with?
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That's CRAZY They hold back on info to keep people in the dark. What other topics do they do this with?
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I think its possible that they 'fiddle' with just about every single topic.

Information is money.
ShaneCMuir  (OP)

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If you are using Google Chrome then it might be time to give it the flick too.

[link to trilogymedia.com.au]
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This really makes me realize I'm living in the matrix. Google is so powerful. When you *google search* something you think you are educating yourself. In reality, you are just being fed an agenda - their agenda.
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03/19/2011 11:09 PM
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There's no way I could ever boycott Google. You should have tried searching before Google came along. It was ridiculous, and everyone tried to pretend it wasn't. Google saved us.
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There's no way I could ever boycott Google. You should have tried searching before Google came along. It was ridiculous, and everyone tried to pretend it wasn't. Google saved us.
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There are lots of options to google

[link to scroogle.org]
[link to duckduckgo.com]
[link to altavista.com]
[link to startpage.com]
[link to yandex.com]
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[link to www.philb.com]
[link to www.20search.com]
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[link to www.dogpile.com]
ShaneCMuir  (OP)

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This really makes me realize I'm living in the matrix. Google is so powerful. When you *google search* something you think you are educating yourself. In reality, you are just being fed an agenda - their agenda.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 659208


Exactly.
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Google: "Do no evil" to "Up to no good" in less than a decade.

Nice going, Google.
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bumpity
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Scott commented:

"That Google does this should worry everyone.

Why stop at this issue. This runs to the heart of free speech. Regardless of anyones stand on AGW, this makes explicit great power is concentrated in the hands of a few.

It’s too late now, I can’t trust them any more."
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Should we believe Google has never had an agenda in the past?
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Should we believe Google has never had an agenda in the past?
 Quoting: Waterbug


hmmm.. maybe when it first began..
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Google: "Do no evil" to "Up to no good" in less than a decade.

Nice going, Google.
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I read an article once where Brin said that the "do no evil" quote was targeted at their USERS, not themselves.

But anywho, good luck on the boycott. Don't see that happening any time soon.
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Google: "Do no evil" to "Up to no good" in less than a decade.

Nice going, Google.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 983877


I read an article once where Brin said that the "do no evil" quote was targeted at their USERS, not themselves.

But anywho, good luck on the boycott. Don't see that happening any time soon.
 Quoting: Zazzummin


WUWT ( [link to wattsupwiththat.com)] has a very large audience.

What trend would Google have to take notice of to satisfy their share-holders?

5% .. 2% .. ?

Its definitely time to try and send them a message.
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PamK comments:

"Google has access to data on everyone and is like an octopus with many tentacles. Many people have worried that Google would be capable of using its position in the information stream to effect outcomes, rather than be a neutral conduit for information. Google itself recognized the justifiable concerns by its early “Do no evil” message. Yet Google is run by humans and humans seem unable to resist taking sides in an issue, whether for monetary or power gain. Google executives want to play with the big boys at Davos and other world stages and are compromising their foundational product to do so.
Google already has “green industry” investments and this use of their core industry to support their green industry investments is a natural progression for a public corporation. Once Google started funding green energy research, they had a dog in the fight and now they have compromised the integrity of their core product. At least Microsoft’s Bill Gates plays his power games with his own money in his charitable trusts. “Do no Evil” Google is using its stockholders and search engine users to play power politics. Maybe not evil, but definitely slimey."
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GOOD FOR GOOGLE!!
They're supporting the SCIENCE of global warming as clearly stated by virtually every scientific organization in the world.

"(Horseshit purveying denialists) are not trying to prove that climate change prove that climate change [science] is wrong. They're trying to prove that there is an argument going on. They're just trying to create noise. They're just making noise."
SO TRUE!
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Shane I wholeheartedly agree with you. This thread is one of the better ones I have read in the last 15 years. But a boycott of Google? Seriously? That would be like paddling a barb wire canoe up shits creek. Not very productive unless you organize en masse. Anonymous have the better strategy.. change the behemoth from within and change it with subversion. And that is what they were doing until the power went to their heads and inside hacktivists dobbed em in..
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GOOD FOR GOOGLE!!
They're supporting the SCIENCE of global warming as clearly stated by virtually every scientific organization in the world.

"(Horseshit purveying denialists) are not trying to prove that climate change prove that climate change [science] is wrong. They're trying to prove that there is an argument going on. They're just trying to create noise. They're just making noise."
SO TRUE!
 Quoting: adolphus


Didn't you hear about Climategate??

The IPCC scientists tricked all of us.. lied to all of us.

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Shane I wholeheartedly agree with you. This thread is one of the better ones I have read in the last 15 years. But a boycott of Google? Seriously? That would be like paddling a barb wire canoe up shits creek. Not very productive unless you organize en masse. Anonymous have the better strategy.. change the behemoth from within and change it with subversion. And that is what they were doing until the power went to their heads and inside hacktivists dobbed em in..
 Quoting: ACDC 433433


The number one science blog on the planet is calling for a boycott.. there will never be a better time to try.
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Steve C comments:

"You’re quite right to point this out, Willis, and IMO this story deserves a much wider audience even than it will get here on WUWT. However, as someone once said, fine words butter no parsnips.

What does butter parsnips, of course, is Google’s new, quick-access route to the gigadollars of internationalist money fronted by those running the AGW project, and as far as Google’s business plan is concerned that beats any objections raised by you or anyone.

We’ve known for ages that they “fine-tune” their search results, not least of course to try to proof them against those trying to “game” searches in their own favour. To Google, this is merely another of their ‘hidden tweaks’ which, although certainly a large and intrinsically dishonest one by any dispassionate standards, clearly has considerable value.

Let’s be honest, Google is just as “neutral” as Wikipedia, and “Do No Evil” was never more than a barker’s shout to bring in the trade."
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Google is still much better than stupid Microsoft Bing and feminazi Yahoo's search.
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Google is still much better than stupid Microsoft Bing and feminazi Yahoo's search.
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Try some other ones:

[link to scroogle.org]
[link to duckduckgo.com]
[link to www.altavista.com]
[link to startpage.com]
[link to www.yandex.com]
[link to Ixquick.com]
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[link to www.philb.com]
[link to www.20search.com]
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[link to www.dogpile.com]
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Fuck google!

I dont want to see any data that makes me question my unyielding worldview about climate change.
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Fuck google!

I dont want to see any data that makes me question my unyielding worldview about climate change.
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If you don't want to see any data that may question your beliefs.. then may I suggest you stay away from ALL search engines.

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Scottish Sceptic commented:

"Do you remember when they tried to pretend they were the “Little guys” up against the mightiest industrial/commercial enterprises in the world cynically distorting the argument to fit with some political agenda?

All that google will do by becoming part of the climategate team is to undermine its own dubious claims to be an impartial provider of information.

You cannot have your cake and eat it. You can’t be trusted as impartial and also have a political agenda, and if Google are stupid enough to undermine their reputation like this then they deserve the consequences."





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