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Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years

 
Khazar
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I was wondering, is it illegal to barter goods. Like what vonhouse did when he used his coinage.
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Barter is not illegal...for now.
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. . . i think you have to still pay the tax on anything you barter.
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I was wondering, is it illegal to barter goods. Like what vonhouse did when he used his coinage.

From what I read of his intentions, he offered the coin as an exchange of goods. You buy an item at retail, offer the coin and get the barter items in return.

He paid no debt with the coin, just used it in a barter transaction. So if I barter something I made that looks like a dollar but is not sanctioned by the illegal feds, than, I am a terrorist.

HAHAHAHAHAHAAAA.

You knows its against the law to use your hand to make a gun sign with your thumb moving back and forth. YOU TERRORIST.

No, try that at a cop once. Maybe you will be shot ten or twenty times and if you live, they give you life in prison for showing you god given hand doing something that scared them into action.

WHAT A WORLD THIS HAS BECOME
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ANOTHER TERRORIST!!!!
and look there, quite the logician..and maybe too ...too....too observant..yes ..yes..increase it;s ether flouride .redirect all cell towers for maximum pinael intrusion !

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03/23/2011 12:24 AM
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lets work this all we can. I mean after all, NEVER let a crisis go to waste.



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Khazar
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03/23/2011 12:38 AM
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They never claimed "legal tender" so I don't see how they got in trouble. Then again, the business was taken down right around the time that the economy collapsed and they started to demolish the value of the dollar, so I see why they did this to him.
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. . . how would it work if we did start using gold, silver and precious stones to make purchases, because of the value of products and food changing so much right now?
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03/23/2011 12:51 AM
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Not to mention the United States does not own it's OWN FUCKING MONEY!! Therefore he cannot conspire against the US..
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. . . how is Congress supposed to "coin money"? Are they actually expected to work and get their hands dirty handling all that metal whatever?
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IJCCR = International Journal for Community Currency Research

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03/24/2011 11:32 AM
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Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years
Tracy Twyman

Former editor of the Dagobert's Revenge delves into the alchemical nature of money.

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Topics include the evolution of the dollar sign ($)(a snake wound around a pole), and the concept of alchemical conversion of one thing into another.

She confirms what I suspected several years ago that the word-term "dollar" isn't a perversion and conversion of a name but rather originates in a Bohemian word for a valley. Thus "Joachimsdaler" is actually Joachim's Valley. And valley ("daler") became "dollar."

[link to www.redicecreations.com] (about one hour - 30 megabytes)
This is the first half of a two hour interview. You must subscribe to hear or download the second hour.

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Her latest book is MONEY GROWS ON THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE is currently sold out (printed version). You can purchase an electronic version or pay for the printed version and wait a month for the next edition.
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03/25/2011 10:59 AM
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The New York Sun today editorializes brilliantly about the ironies in the conviction of Liberty Dollar founder Bernard von NotHaus. The editorial begins:

"Here is a thought experiment concerning two men who have issued money. One issued gold and silver coins that will today bring more in dollars than he charged for them. The other issued paper notes that are today worth but a fraction the gold or silver they were worth at the time they were issued. One man is facing the possibility of years in prison after a federal jury found his issuing of money to have been a crime. The other man is walking around free and being treated by the authorities with great deference. Which is which?"

The editorial, most likely written by Sun editor Seth Lipsky, is headlined "A 'Unique' Form of Terrorism" and can be found here:

[link to www.nysun.com]

From GATA: [link to www.gata.org]
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When I first graduated from high school, I took a job that paid $1.17 per hour. Sounds like low pay - right?

But I could go to a bank and get silver dollars. A silver dollar today is just below $40 federal reserve notes.

So, was I working too cheap - or by today's standards very well paid?

There was no sales taxes, and income tax was very low. A new car was barely over $1,000.

A married man might typically earn $2.50 per hour and his wife stayed at home. Children had manners and respected their elders. Teachers taught the basics and civics classes were more factual although the lies were creeping in already then.

Feedback?
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03/28/2011 02:48 PM
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Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years
What does Ron Paul think of this conviction?
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Is Bernard a hero?
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I thought ron paul wanted to abolish the fed and the irs
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This is huge! It should be pinned.
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Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years
NOTICE: The Forfeiture Hearing for your property begins this Monday, April 4!! If you have any Liberty Dollar paper or digital certificates you must identify yourself as an "Interested Party" BEFORE MONDAY. Your property is at risk! This is your last opportunity to protect your Liberty Dollar property that was seized! Please don't let the gov steal your property!

You must make a statement such as: "I hereby certify that I am the bearer of Liberty Dollar warehouse receipt(s) and an interested party in any forfeiture action regarding my property. I demand the return of my property or its fair market value in a timely manner and to be informed with sufficient time to reply to any and all actions until my property is returned."

MUST INCLUDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS
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Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years
Bernard von NotHaus was on the Peter Schiff radio show April one. You can download the mp3 file here: [link to fetch.noxsolutions.com]

Bernard comes into the show at about the 41 minute mark and is the guest for about 17 minutes. His presentation is NOT very effective in my opinion. However, the show gets more interesting when Schiff takes some phone calls and the callers make comments and ask questions.

That show is better understood if you review the material titled: Uttering Coin and other Absurdities found complete with references to law on page 15 of this thread: Thread: Get rid of the money system, then get rid of goverrments (Page 15)
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Jeffrey Mandalis: Banking for Muggles 101: The Par Value of a US Dollar

[link to www.21silver.com]
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Dimitri Orlov comments on the von NotHaus affair and links to a Russian site where the matter is being discussed:

[link to cluborlov.blogspot.com]
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I hope you people heed this warning.
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why are they calling it terrorism? can't they think of a real crime to charge him with?
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To keep the slaves, enslaved.vendetta
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A list of alternate and complimentary currency systems in the United States:

[link to www.complementarycurrency.org]

There is a worldwide list also.
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Ron Paul should help this guy out.
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Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years
This story is getting play EVERYWHERE.

I think we may have our tipping point.

Fuck 'em. They want to call us Domestic Terrorists for simply trying to save our families from the famine and poverty that is right over the next hill.

I say "Fine, call me a Terrorist. If that's my yellow star, I'll wear it with pride."
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What's better the Ron Paul coin or Bitcoin?
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There is no law against private money in the USA (so long as you aren't trying to counterfeit actual US dollars). This is intimidation. The law says US currency is to be used for DEBTS public and private. This is to make the debt/bond market stable and attractive to foreign investors. No one has to accept US dollars/coins at the retail level. Retail sales are a contract. The contract can be for two things of value.
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Re: Guy who put Ron Paul's face on his own minted coins convicted of "domestic terrorism," could get 15 years
You know...I'm sorry, but I have to interject these legal interpretations for just a moment...

I found out about Liberty Dollar when I was in college back in 2004. When my awakening was truly just beginning...

I believe in what he was doing and advocated the idea of PM backing an agreeable currency amongst the users. Market determines currency value and it was really a perfect model. However, Bernard turned it into a Mulit-level Marketing scheme when "associates" received a discount on the exchange of Fed notes for LDs. This I didn't completely agree with, but it was incentive for people to become involved with the mass dispersing of LDs. Anyhow, on to my hypothesis:


I REALLY think that this whole thing is sort of a Beta Test. The biggest question that comes to mind ALWAYS in instances like this are how the hell did he and his team at the mint not diligently research the semantics of the currency laws? I mean...a few simple mistakes with symbols and verbiage and this man is a felon...he connections with Ron Paul (which I don't care who you are and what you think, Ron Paul is serving a dialectical purpose too; no matter how much I truly agree with the man's character), and his connections to Timothy Leary, CIA-LSD man.

I honestly think that this was a ploy to set up strategic strategies for fear mongering and to further the Agenda.
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Very perceptive bud....i saw same thing circa 2004 & 2009 also. Also familiar with Bernie from my island days long ago...he waz director of a mint there.

Heavy duTy intel games...once mostly behind the scenes...now they play fulltime across our tv and social media.





GLP