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WHY did Brian N Hewlett (LOUGHNER'S teacher) get ARRESTED on Feb 25th and WHERE is he now?

 
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For fucks sake I cant find any news on Loughner. Anyone?
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He's in jail...

Are you expecting updates every time he takes a dump?

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I think it is an intentional distraction, injected into this thread by someone other than the OP... if you will take the time to notice.

When the info. first appeared on this thread I had a feeling the actors playing docs and such was injected to discredit the research into the tucson event and its fallout in general.

I checked it all out and with a little basic research the premise falls apart very quickly.
it's an intentional diversion. Simply because it is mentioned and discussed does not mean that it is ACCEPTED or that anyone is stupid for looking into it... even you were not sure and went to the trouble to look into it...

same happened in 9/11 research... but the truth was still there and the attempts to discredit the investigation only showed there was something to hide!

both hospital docs have a documentable education and work trail that lead to them being actual docs at that hospital... I checked them both out and unless they went to the trouble to build them a very detailed history including fabricating their names on research papers going back ten plus years the doctors by these names are real.

I don't know about the others, like the friends or the ER docs on the shooting scene and such... everyone at the safeway seems to be sketchy in authenticity or are very strange characters.

The docs are actors just seems to be intended to clutter and discredit the fact it was a manipulated event.
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Hi Juliet,


Thanks for sharing your painstaking research which came up with substantiated records. Regarding fabricated references, this is what entire departments of agencies are all about. When it comes to faking a background, especially in the scientific community where one has to publish or perish, they cannot let agency plants or operatives infiltrating scientific professions "perish". So papers will get published, using complicities in that community and adding a fictitious scientist as second, third or fourth of a list of contributors costs nothing and takes little away from those doing the actual work... which by the way might be churned out by a small agency taskforce in their science departments.


This is not simply conjecture. One of my childhood friends became a "verifiable" agency plant nuclear physicist affiliated with the Rand Corporation which we all know is an Agency Shell. He is bright and loquacious, capable of coming back at you with scientific arguments of a varied nature. Yet he's not the real McCoy, probably used to infiltrate events, congresses, conferences, symposiums, research centers, etc.


Medical doctors would have their own value as agency plants. They would enable to move them to places where covert agency oversight of certain key patients would be useful, making discrete medicalized terminations easier and enabling to falsify upstream from within various medical records and reports. While I cannot prove this, I have noticed since the start of the media reports on the Giffords shooting that most of those presented as Medical Doctors in relation to her convalescence have acted more like agency goons, either with uncharacteristic behavioral and body language or with a discourse which makes one grasp at straws to believe that such individuals could have made it through medical school, unless it was an Agency Mail Order MD program.


When investigating Secret Service staged events, we must remember that these agencies are historically trained for decades at second guessing what researchers will be looking for and at falsifying that very information. It is therefore essential to your nose to the ground bloodhound style and rely as much on intuition, gut feeling, general impressions and our subconscious decoding of events not to jump to conclusions but to guide our research and know when to take things at face value or to suspect that this is a face which was altered, thereby losing any face value.


FWIW.


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Well said and eloquently put Getsmart ! .

I have to agree , this is childs play for those who choose to deceive us for reasons unknown at present .

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You people do realize that you are insane, right?
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You people do realize that you are insane, right?
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And you do realize that you are an Anonymous Coward, right?


I won't waste my time with cowards calling me insane, and shall move along undisturbed by those too narrow minded to think out of the box and unable to speculate even for a split second... because that would mean having to "think" above the belt-line.


So let us move forward in investigating why Judge Roll might have been the real target of this shooting. First I will need to reference content which I already posted elsewhere, in brief summary because this forum will not let me post a link to my post at ATS. This is in preparation of what comes next - that will FLOOR THE SKEPTICS.


In reparation for the grave injustice done my friend Doomzilla at ATS and known here as this thread's OP, namely GhostViking, I give this thread the original exclusivity of the breakthrough in solving the Giffords Shooting, which happened to really be the Assassination of Judge Roll, who happened to possibly be the biological son of Adolf Hitler.


In a thread analyzing how the FBI recently released information on Hitler and his survival of World War Two and later life in Argentina and then Paraguay, I have brought forth the results of my investigation undertaken several years ago, about the complicities between the Nazis and prominent members in American politics, espionage and the military industry complex. Some of the elements in this investigation are posted here, some elsewhere.


It is interesting that Emmy Arnold, a writer connected with the Bruderhof brotherhood who even wrote a book about these Germanic continuum communities, would also write this piece published in paperback in 1982:


[url= [link to www.paperbackswap.com] Hitler Germany To Paraguay 1937-1941 An Account[/url]


She is not alone speaking of this, as it was a thesis supported by Paraguayan Historian Mariano Llano who stated that after escaping to Argentina Hitler some ten years later, he moved to Paraguay at the time of Stroessner's rise to power in 1954.


[url= [link to wochenblatt.cc] Hitler died in 1974 in Paraguay, according to historian Llano[/url]


"There is an enormous German population in Paraguay today, with whole German areas, such as Filadelfia, Loma Plata and Neuland in the central Chaco, Nueva Germania in San Pedro, the Colonias Unidas in ItaItapua, and Independencia in Guaira. Not only that, but very many of the best hotels have some elements of German management. Good hotel almost equals German hotel."

"...the first Nazi party outside of Germany was formed in Paraguay around 1930. ...when dictator Stroessner (himself of German ancestry) came to power in 1954, he felt a bond with the authoritarian methods of the Nazis, and received around a dozen Nazi leaders into the country. There is even a theory (of Paraguayan writer Mariano Llano) that Hitler did not die in his Berlin bunker but fled to Argentina in a submarine, and about ten years later passed into Paraguay incognito, but with the knowledge and consent of Stroessner, where in due course he died in anonymity."

"Whatever the truth of that, there was an organisation called Odessa which helped Nazis escape to South America, and among those who did so were: Josef Mengele, the doctor who performed medical experiments on Jews in Auschwitz and subsequently obtained naturalisation in Paraguay; Edward Roschmann, commandant of the Riga concentration camp; and a number of other war criminals including Erwin Fleiss, Marko Colak and Ante Pavelic. All these Nazis spent part of their exile in Argentina and part in Paraguay."



[url= [link to books.google.com] and Paraguay By Margaret Hebblethwaite[/url]


What is most interesting is that we find Hitler in the USA posing for cameras in a large group photograph displaying complicit members of the US establishment of the time along with most of the worst Nazis many of whom were said by the mainstream media to have died by suicide or other means.


Here is a link to the largest of these pictures, in which I have numbered quite a few of the individuals for identification purposes. It can be found on the wikipedia page for Operation Paperclip in its original form (click on that picture to get it to its highest definition).


[link to en.wikipedia.org]


Here is my own rendition with simply the addition of a numbering of many protagonists there:



IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



We will note that in the Operation Paperclip photograph there was the man stated above who actually received official naturalisation papers from Stroessner as a Paraguayan citizen, namely Josef Mengele, posing in the several places away from Adolf Hitler (1) in that group picture, with Mengele numbered (11).


Mengele near Hitler separated by Emil Maurice

IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



For comparison purposes take a glance at his picture shown here:


[url= [link to en.wikipedia.org] Josef Mengele[/url]


To Mengele's right (our left) is Adolf's earliest friend who helped him design the Nazi master plan and even typed Mein Kampf for him when he was in Prison. He is actually sandwiched between Hitler and Mengele in the picture. Just to place into perspective who this man is, as his name and role have been glossed over by revisionist history books, when the Schutzstaffel (SS) was founded Hitler became SS Member nr. 1 and Emil Maurice became SS Member nr. 2. Hitler's closest ideological ally Emil Maurice (13) can be compared to his picture shown here:


[url= [link to en.wikipedia.org] Emil Maurice[/url]


In front of Mengele, we will note the ongoing Nazi implication of leading members of NASA such as the former Nazi (in this case continuing Nazi) who planned the V-2 rocket production, namely one of NASA's leading rocket engineers and direct assistant to NASA Oberführer Wehrner von Braun, known in American households as the revered and honored Arthur Rudolf (48) until he returned to Germany in 1984 to avoid trial for war crimes. To compare see his picture provided by NASA here:


[url= [link to www.astronautix.com] Arthur Rudolf[/url]


Our NASA friends in this picture are in good company, directly to Rudolf's right (our left) we find Adolf Eichmann (14) which lends credence to the likelihood that the others pictured near him at this group event celebrating the Nazi Continuum also sought refuge in Argentina. For comparison purposes take a glance at his picture shown here:


[url= [link to 1.bp.blogspot.com] of a young Karl Adolf Eichmann showing his bone structure and receding hairline[/url]


For it is an established fact that Eichmann escaped to Argentina where he led a relatively unhampered life. This was brought to public knowledge when he was captured and put on trial. Also this temporarily brought the spotlight on ODESSA which used the Nazi continuum's vast wealth and corporate connections to aid and assist their own wherever they may be.


"But Adolf Eichmann had escaped both the Nuremberg trials and the Avengers. All trace of him had been lost in May 1945. He had actually remained in Europe until 1950, maintaining no contact with his family. In 1950, with the help of an organization assisting former Nazis to leave Europe, he escaped to Argentina. He sent for his wife and children two years later."

"The passport issed to Adolf Eichmann by the International Committee of the Red Cross on June 1, 1950 was discovered by a graduate student in at the University of San Martin mid-2007 conducting research on Eichmann's wife, Veronica Catalina Leibel. The name on the passport reads "Ricardo Klement," and claims that he was a "technician born in Bolzano, Italy, and apolide (without nationality)."

"When Eichmann arrived in Argentina in 1950, he lived for almost three years in a quiet town near Buenos Aires called San Fernando, where he worked in a metal factory. He then moved to the province of Tucuman, located over 600 miles from Buenos Aires, where he worked at an engineering company called the Capri firm, to which Juan Peron, the Argentine president at the time and known Nazi-sympathizer, gave many state contracts in order to modernize the province's water administration."

"Eichmann's wife and two children arrived in Argentina in mid-1952, and accompanied him to Tucuman. He registered his two children at a German school, known to promote anti-Semitic and pro-Nazi propoganda at the time, under the name Eichmann, suggesting again how the Argentine government aided and abetted former Nazis and their sympathizers."

"In April 1953, the Capri firm declared bankruptcy and Eichmann moved his family to Buenos Aires, where he worked for a number a companies. He was hired by Mercedes Benz in March 1959, where he continued to use the alias Ricardo Klement."

"No one had heard him for years. But in the autumn of 1957 Walter Eytan at the Israeli Foreign Ministry, got a call from Fritz Bauer, the public prosecutor of the province of Hesse, Germany. Hesse told Eytan that Eichmann was alive and living in Argentina."



[url= [link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org] Capture of Adolf Eichmann by Doron Geller[/url]


So this photograph incriminates a number of high placed officials in supporting the Nazi continuum, some of them obviously in Latin America but more compellingly so, given that this photograph was taken in an American Military facility shortly after World War Two, complicities at the highest levels in the government of the USA.


Let us consider something fairly recent, it is the 2006 massive land acquisition in Paraguay by the Bush Family. It is interesting to note that this most recent in a series of large land purchases by the Bush family came under scrutiny of the local press as can be seen here adding www. before it:


guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/23/mainsection.tomphillips]Para​guay in a spin about Bush's alleged 100,000 acre hideaway


To those familiar with what a "Paraguay Hideaway" might signify, remember their uncle Adolf's retreat? While he clearly isn't really their uncle, I do call him so as that may just have been the way that these Nazi-friendly Bush's called him back in the days? Let us take a closer look.


Prescott Bush Sr was a key financier of Adolf Hitler's war effort when a partner at Brown Harriman Bank in New York during World War Two. He has been alleged to actually have been Hamburg born Nazi 5th Columnist infiltrator George H. Scherff Senior posing as an American born Prescott Bush, according to the testimony of former Nazi strongman Otto Skorzeny (5) hovering from his great physical height at the rear of the Operation Paperclip picture.


Hitler's personal bodyguard and savior of Mussolini Otto Skorzeny

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He can be seen photographed next to Adolf Hitler on this page analyzing the very situation we are addressing in this ATS thread, the implication of certain treasonous American government officials in harboring and aiding and abetting the Nazis during and after WWII.


[url= [link to www.proliberty.com] confessions, photos support claims that George H. Scherff Jr was the 41st U.S. president[/url]


After the war Prescott Bush Senior narrowly escaped trial for high treason in a time of war, but by some mystery (perhaps the same one evidenced by the Operation Paperclip Photo) these charges were dropped. Here is a little piece which shows the sort of power this rather large man wielded on American politics, framing in Ike while choosing Nixon as a presidential hopeful.


[url= [link to wonkette.com] Bush Runs The World[/url]


We will note that his oldest son Prescott Bush Junior was designated to rule after him, from BEHIND THE SCENES, while the younger son George Herbert Walker Bush was sent downwards to work his way up from CIA stooge helping to assassinate JFK to CIA director, then on to become President of the United States of America after failing to assassinate Ronald Reagan when he was his Vice-President.


This brings us to what may be the most painful revelation of this series, in that those who have been seen to be photographed with much of the Nazi Elite honored as guests on American soil with Military Protection, can be seen to have been present at that time and photographed together with them as if they were themselves members of the Nazi Continuum, although I could not identify Prescott Bush Junior in that photo given I have no reference picture for him. Those detected were Prescott Bush Senior aka as George Scherff Senior (27) and his second son George Herbert Walker Bush aka as Godfather Bush numbered just as in his presidency (41).


Bush / Scherff Father and Son pictured in company of prominent Nazis

IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



A few years later with an identical height difference

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[url= [link to wonkette.com] For comparison Prescott during his Senate Campaign[/url]


Let us remember this is the creme of the crop of Nazi war criminals, not just a few Nazi sympathizers. In evidence the person standing directly in front of the Bush gruesome twosome is none other than the infamous "Butcher of Lyon" Klaus Barbie (32). For this one I shall indulge you with your own Google Image search to see he really is Barbie, who later made a career for himself as military advisor in Bolivia after this episode:


"In 1947, Barbie became an agent for the 66th Detachment of the U.S. Army Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC). In 1951, he fled to Juan Peron's Argentina with the help of a ratline organized by U.S. intelligence services and the Ustashi Roman Catholic priest Krunoslav Draganovic."

[url= [link to en.wikipedia.org] Klaus Barbie[/url]


So there you have it, a clear mapping of the Nazi continuum which according to the "Madrid Circular" intercepted by British Intelligence in the early 1950's vowed to...


"Build the 5,000 Year Reich on the Ashes of America."


If you take a look at the condition in which this continuum, supported and furthered by the Nazi Bush Family as well as countless other accomplices, has placed the United States of America, we can certainly better understand what they have in store for us in their beloved New World Order aka the Fourth Reich.


Remember, this is a man who was photographed along with HITLER among his fellow Nazis.



It's never too late to...


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Part II follows - yes this does end up relating to the Giffords shooting.

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Here is where things will start getting sticky with a bit more about Hitler himself in the picture.



From left side of Operation Paperclip Photograph

IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



Adolf Hitler (1) surrounded by his intimate friend (said to be his boyfriend) reported to have been imprisoned by Churchill and left to die in a German prison, Deputy Fuhrer Rudolf Hess (4) and Hitler's private secretary Martin Bormann (2) . Their resemblance and close location to one another in such a large group makes you wonder. If you forget their staged deaths and learn that it is official that they all escaped overseas, then it starts making a lot more sense.


Apparently Hitler didn't flee alone, and uncharacteristically he is not near Eva Braun (15) who is to be found toward the right of the same photograph standing behind her first cousin, Wehrner Von Braun (8), an ardent Nazi of NASA fame.


Cross-dressing in men's clothing wearing a bow-tie with her hair swept back

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If you notice that their presence in the USA shortly after WWII is disturbing, and shows a deep level of complicity between the Secret Government and the Nazis, you may want to ask yourself if this is still ongoing, or far back in our distant past? For a clue, look at the large photo and you will see straight up to the back of Adolf Hitler a very proud Operative working for the OSI and who helped Co-Found the CIA, namely Frank Gardiner Wisner Sr (45).


Frank Gardiner Wisner Sr posing behind Adolf Hitler

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Then you may want to consider that his son and CIA Heir, Frank Gardiner Wisner Jr who groomed French President Nicolas Sarkozy as a teenager and launched him into politics, having his campaign partly managed by his own son Daniel Gardiner Wisner, was himself in Cairo during the overturning of Hosni Mubarak managing the toppling of North African and Middle Eastern regimes like so many dominos.


This is confirmed by the man who outed the 9/11 strike against the Pentagon as being a missile and not an airliner, Thierry Meyssan.


[url= [link to musliminsuffer.wordpress.com] Sarkozy : how the CIA placed one of its agents at the presidency of the French Republic[/url]


And since things get to stay in the family this way, Frank Gardiner Wisner Jr's son, David Wisner, became the man in charge of Sarkozy's election campaign for Anglophone countries (although these, of course weren't voters). Here he his commenting on the campaign:


[url= [link to www.dailymotion.com] David Wisner keeps a close eye on CIA / Mossad asset Nicolas Sarkozy[/url]


So we shall note that the Nazi Continuum is ongoing in full swing, the son of one of the CIA co-founders in this photograph today remote controlling the current French head of State while others in the picture went on the become US Presidents (Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Gerald Ford, George Bush Sr). More later on their presence in the picture if requested.


We will also note that this photograph, according to Wikipedia, was taken in 1946 at the US Army Base Fort Bliss half way between El Paso, Texas and Alamagordo, New Mexico - due East of Tucson, Arizona. Was it coincidence that some 9 months later on February 8, 1947 that John McCarthy Roll was born?


Judge Roll who may well have been the REAL TARGET of the Giffords Shootings, was born in the city which has been signaled as the "Spiritual Headquarters" of the Illuminati, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Later he went on to study at the University of Virginia near Alexandria, the administrative headquarters of the Illuminati conveniently located near the CIA at Langley. Yet as a child he grew up in Arizona, and we might wonder if he wasn't born of the seed of Adolf Hitler during a jaunt into Arizona during his visit to the USA in 1946? Nothing is said about his parents' identities which it would be interesting to investigate.


[link to en.wikipedia.org]


We note a number of disturbing things about the Giffords Shootings. First that the entire event was under tight security lockdown by the authorities, preventing any info from filtering out. Secondly that there was distinct CIA involvement with a Manchurian Candidate, a Patsy to take the rap and false testimony from various actors or MK Ultra plants. Finally because of a very troubling resemblance between Judge Roll and Adolf which might explain his close contact with Giffords who ran the US Congress's Space Authority and whose Twin husband was a NASA Astronaut where many Nazis were hosted.


Here Judge Roll is compared to Adolf:

IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



Maybe he isn't a 'Boys from Brazil' clone, bred in multiples at Fort Bliss or White Sands proving grounds, but he is indeed close enough a match to at very least be a natural son of Hitler, possibly bred and raised to one day follow in his footsteps. This might also be the reason why he was shot, possibly by a faction within the CIA combating those in that Agency who work with the Nazis?


Here is another comparison which shows further similarities:

IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



Yes, he has a slightly different nostrils, larger ears, no mustache and a different hairstyle, meaning he may not be a 100% identical copy, buy is likely to be either a natural or a genetically engineered biological son of Hitler, born some months after Hitler's stay in the American Southwest, shortly after World War Two.


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great work as usual getsmart, some deep things to consider. I'll have to do some more research and see what I can come up with.
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Beyond this information, we will note that the Kelly Twins are actually both NASA CLONES of Benito Mussolini as can be seen in this simple picture comparison.



IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



I always found it odd that NASA known for its Nazi roots and their fascination with Identical Twins would have Twin Astronauts. We aren't very far from a Nazi Moon base theory when you see that NASA has been sending a pair of Mussolini Clones into orbit.


One Event: Clones of both Hitler and Mussolini.


The Giffords Shooting is actually a very puzzling case, because it brings to the forefront the Nazi Conspiracy tied in with the CIA, it shows that NASA is directly involved with the Continuation of the NAZI Agenda, and it also shows that with Giffords possibly running for our next President that with her husband Cloned from Italian Fascist Dictator Benito Mussolini, that there is indeed a Totalitarian Agenda behind this all.


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Hey Getsmart, this is filosophia from ATS, I was thinking about what you said, and what I couldn't quite understand was, if Roll was Hitler's son, which it appears as strange as it sounds to be a possibility, why would they kill him? It seems sort of like the motive is missing, aren't they allies with Hitler if they have him in secret government programs?

And then it hit me. What if Roll wasn't dead. Other than an autopsy report, written on computer paper, there is really no evidence that Roll is dead. I haven't seen any photos of Roll's body. In this article it mentions a funeral but no pictures

[link to www.kpho.com]

This article says US marshals screened all vehicles entering the church during the funderal

[link to www.kpho.com]

So basically, the U.S. government can't protect Roll when he's alive (or Giffords for that matter if you really believe Roll just happened to show up), but they can protect him like mad when he's dead!

Here are nine or so pictures of the funeral

[link to azstarnet.com]

Guess what? No pictures of him in the casket!

Here's a BBC article

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Yep, no picture of him in a casket, just a lot of important police officers following a hearse. Too bad there wasn't this much security when he was shot. Or was he?

What a better way to sneak someone out of the scene then to fake his death. If he was Hitler's son, why would they want to kill him? If anything they would want to initiate him into the occult order. So they have a fake death and get him out of the picture. If they are capable of keeping Hitler out of the public's eye for this long, why not someone now in this day and age?

This is just something I thought of after you suggested he was Hitler's son, but the fact remains, no evidence of him getting shot, no pictures of him in the autopsy reports, and among multiple articles on his funeral, not one picture of him in a casket. How odd. He was only shot in the back, it's not like his body was maimed and disfigured like war deaths.

Here's another one from CBS news

[link to www.cbsnews.com]

Note how they are all using the same photo of the police surrounding the funeral car. Very strange.

and let's not forget that Roll has 3 sons of his own, perhaps more bloodline?

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Hi Filosophia,


Glad to see you here and happy you've identified yourself, as we're having multiple simultaneous conversations at several locations.


By the way, the rabbit hole gets deeper yet. My lengthy research on the unusual topic of Clones has apparently brought fruit, as this case yields yet more of them:


Gabrielle Giffords herself !


Here she is compared... to Eva Braun - NO, actually it appears to be a case of a misnamed photograph, it is a picture of Gretl Braun, Eva's sister:



IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



If we wish, we can actually compare Giffords to the "ORIGINAL" Gretl Braun, Frau Herlind Kasner who after WWII in East Germany gave birth to a certain Angela Merkel, according to Stasi records (she is even alleged by the Stasi to have been artificially inseminated with Hitler's semen by the Soviets).



IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



Merkel with her ageing mother

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Yet we must consider John McCarthy Roll with his wife Maureen, and determine whether they might be somehow related to anyone we might know. Here they are juxtaposed with Adolf's long time friend Leni Riefenstahl.


Leni and Adolf overlooking John and Maureen

IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



John and Maureen above Leni and Adolf

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We are apparently in a War against the Clones. For this I have 2 Theories:


1. That there are warring factions, one a Nazi Continuum using Clones as pawns in the quest for seizing total world power, the other fighting them off.


2. That there is only one real faction, the Nazi Continuum which is having trouble with a REBELLION OF THE CLONES which it is therefore seeking to suppress by killing off whichever one's won't tow the line.


In the case of Gabrielle Giffords, we can at this date, and given what has just been unearthed, consider that she was indeed KILLED outright during the event, but that they are pretending that she's still alive while they are preparing a REPLACEMENT CLONE.


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...if Roll was Hitler's son, which it appears as strange as it sounds to be a possibility, why would they kill him? It seems sort of like the motive is missing, aren't they allies with Hitler if they have him in secret government programs?
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Hi Spirit Patriot,


Well it might be that somebody is gunning for Hitler? Or that possibly they had to deal with a 'renegade clone' who wouldn't go ahead with the program as planned? Funny that his wife Maureen said that the second the phone rang she already knew he was dead. They apparently lived almost next door to the Safeway store, making it a plausible place to stage an ambush.


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And then it hit me. What if Roll wasn't dead. Other than an autopsy report, written on computer paper, there is really no evidence that Roll is dead. I haven't seen any photos of Roll's body.
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This is where we can certainly agree. So far, aside from hearsay from people who seem to be either agency actors or full fledged spooks, all we have are mass media news reports conveying unsubstantiated administrative statements about what happened, who died and who was injured. Then we get TV footage of people such as Suzi Hileman who was allegedly hit a few days earlier by 4 bullets and who is talking up a storm as if nothing ever happened. From what I can tell, the closest thing we have to evidence that Judge Roll was even there, much less shot, is the following image which really isn't much to go on:



IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



So basically, the U.S. government can't protect Roll when he's alive (or Giffords for that matter if you really believe Roll just happened to show up), but they can protect him like mad when he's dead!

Yep, no picture of him in a casket, just a lot of important police officers following a hearse. Too bad there wasn't this much security when he was shot. Or was he?
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Actually, I think that they avoided having too many pictures of him posted around out there, and guess why? Look at this thread. Also, given this person's identity as not necessarily the original first issue of his own DNA, we can imagine that in time somebody might request that he be dug up and tested for "parenthood" with you know who. So we can pretty much bet that if he was killed, that they made sure that some other similar sized body would be in that casket instead of his.


What a better way to sneak someone out of the scene then to fake his death. If he was Hitler's son, why would they want to kill him? If anything they would want to initiate him into the occult order. So they have a fake death and get him out of the picture. If they are capable of keeping Hitler out of the public's eye for this long, why not someone now in this day and age?
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It was actually my very first suspicion that he might have been just an unplanned offshoot of Herr Fuhrer after a festive Saturday night visiting Tucson. But apparently, given the other coincidences, not least his wife Maureen's similarly unexpected resemblance with Leni Riefenstahl, that he is more likely an actual Clone of Hitler rather than an improvised offspring. The physical discrepancies would be most likely due to his being gestated in a natural mother, whose physiological influence would have modified certain biological details.


and let's not forget that Roll has 3 sons of his own, perhaps more bloodline?
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Here there wouldn't be any need for intervention as the bloodline would be very similar to that of his own progenitor in terms of DNA. However they would be similarly sourced with Leni Riefenstahl's genetic heritage, to which it is important to add that the current incarnation as Maureen would bear in all likelihood a measure of personal influence on all these factors as did John Roll.


What remains to be ascertained, in this complex case, is whether said Cloned individuals knew of their own cloning heritage, were complicit in approval or instead deeply shocked at being thrust into such a situation, and whether they were fully autonomous or if instead the CIA's Nazi run MK Ultra Mind Control program had put them all through the hoops at a young age, making them either to an extent controlled at all times, or possibly dormant and ready to have their programming triggered at a chosen time and place.


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Thanks for proving that you are an insane obsessed cunt.

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Was that the part about the "clones"?

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...if Roll was Hitler's son, which it appears as strange as it sounds to be a possibility, why would they kill him? It seems sort of like the motive is missing, aren't they allies with Hitler if they have him in secret government programs?
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Hi Spirit Patriot,


Well it might be that somebody is gunning for Hitler? Or that possibly they had to deal with a 'renegade clone' who wouldn't go ahead with the program as planned? Funny that his wife Maureen said that the second the phone rang she already knew he was dead. They apparently lived almost next door to the Safeway store, making it a plausible place to stage an ambush.


[link to www.punditandpundette.com]

And then it hit me. What if Roll wasn't dead. Other than an autopsy report, written on computer paper, there is really no evidence that Roll is dead. I haven't seen any photos of Roll's body.
 Quoting: spiritpatriot



This is where we can certainly agree. So far, aside from hearsay from people who seem to be either agency actors or full fledged spooks, all we have are mass media news reports conveying unsubstantiated administrative statements about what happened, who died and who was injured. Then we get TV footage of people such as Suzi Hileman who was allegedly hit a few days earlier by 4 bullets and who is talking up a storm as if nothing ever happened. From what I can tell, the closest thing we have to evidence that Judge Roll was even there, much less shot, is the following image which really isn't much to go on:



IMAGE ( [link to i359.photobucket.com] )



So basically, the U.S. government can't protect Roll when he's alive (or Giffords for that matter if you really believe Roll just happened to show up), but they can protect him like mad when he's dead!

Yep, no picture of him in a casket, just a lot of important police officers following a hearse. Too bad there wasn't this much security when he was shot. Or was he?
 Quoting: spiritpatriot



Actually, I think that they avoided having too many pictures of him posted around out there, and guess why? Look at this thread. Also, given this person's identity as not necessarily the original first issue of his own DNA, we can imagine that in time somebody might request that he be dug up and tested for "parenthood" with you know who. So we can pretty much bet that if he was killed, that they made sure that some other similar sized body would be in that casket instead of his.


What a better way to sneak someone out of the scene then to fake his death. If he was Hitler's son, why would they want to kill him? If anything they would want to initiate him into the occult order. So they have a fake death and get him out of the picture. If they are capable of keeping Hitler out of the public's eye for this long, why not someone now in this day and age?
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It was actually my very first suspicion that he might have been just an unplanned offshoot of Herr Fuhrer after a festive Saturday night visiting Tucson. But apparently, given the other coincidences, not least his wife Maureen's similarly unexpected resemblance with Leni Riefenstahl, that he is more likely an actual Clone of Hitler rather than an improvised offspring. The physical discrepancies would be most likely due to his being gestated in a natural mother, whose physiological influence would have modified certain biological details.


and let's not forget that Roll has 3 sons of his own, perhaps more bloodline?
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Here there wouldn't be any need for intervention as the bloodline would be very similar to that of his own progenitor in terms of DNA. However they would be similarly sourced with Leni Riefenstahl's genetic heritage, to which it is important to add that the current incarnation as Maureen would bear in all likelihood a measure of personal influence on all these factors as did John Roll.


What remains to be ascertained, in this complex case, is whether said Cloned individuals knew of their own cloning heritage, were complicit in approval or instead deeply shocked at being thrust into such a situation, and whether they were fully autonomous or if instead the CIA's Nazi run MK Ultra Mind Control program had put them all through the hoops at a young age, making them either to an extent controlled at all times, or possibly dormant and ready to have their programming triggered at a chosen time and place.


Getsmart
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Hi Getsmart .
As usual you have blown my mind with your research .
I too have researched operation paperclip , I thought that the after effects would be vast .
The US worked with the nazis before and after WW2 there is NO reason to believe this does not continue .

Regarding Judge Roll, I've only seen 2 photos of him pre massacre but tonnes of Giffords probably going back 10 years .

As for his legal work , I had only heard recent events , at this moment I am not 100 % sure he exsisted . However if he did I see how "insiders " would have wanted him dead .
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For fucks sake I cant find any news on Loughner. Anyone?
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He's in jail...

Are you expecting updates every time he takes a dump?

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They tell us for Casey Anthony.. She only killed her own child (allegedly)
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For fucks sake I cant find any news on Loughner. Anyone?
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He's in jail...

Are you expecting updates every time he takes a dump?

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They tell us for Casey Anthony.. She only killed her own child (allegedly)
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Never heard of her...

What are her bowel movements like?

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For fucks sake I cant find any news on Loughner. Anyone?
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He's in jail...

Are you expecting updates every time he takes a dump?

iamwith
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They tell us for Casey Anthony.. She only killed her own child (allegedly)
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And we saw photos outside the court of Timothy Mcveigh 2 days after he killed over 140 people and injured more .

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There is just too much overwhelming evidence that this was a totally put up job, like 9/11, OKC, and Obama, the empty suit. The trolls are outclassed and outgunned.
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I suspect that the judge was the only victim in this situation as he was a constitutionalist and they wanted to make a statement to judges that made any rulings in favor of the people and truth.
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There is just too much overwhelming evidence that this was a totally put up job, like 9/11, OKC, and Obama, the empty suit. The trolls are outclassed and outgunned.

I suspect that the judge was the only victim in this situation as he was a constitutionalist and they wanted to make a statement to judges that made any rulings in favor of the people and truth.
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Hi member 747095,


Thanks for your suggestion. It is in fact quite difficult to know what went on in the case of the Giffords shootings. There is absolutely no genuine footage or photographs of the event, which can't have easily been faked by an amateur, much less an agency.


Furthermore loads of the alleged evidence, such as eyewitness testimony falls in contradiction either with witness credibility, with divergent testimony or with practical plausibility. To the point that many have wondered if this entire event wasn't totally fabricated, invented as a media circus stage show to focus and control public attention.


Then comes what I find most disturbing. That a number of key people in this scenario seem to not be in "single copies". This means that possibly there might be a number of duplicate individuals involved, meaning that this could be an exercise by intelligence agencies or higher mass brainwashing authorities to test the public's ability to discern when they're being fooled.


We have Judge Roll who looks a lot like Adolf. We have his wife who looks a lot like Leni. We have the NASA twins who look a lot like Benito. We have Giffords who looks a lot like Gertl, we have Christina's mother Roxanna Green who looks a lot like Detective Cindy Butierez with bangs, we have Doctor Gerald Michael Lemole who looks a lot like Dave Weiss, whose friend Brandan Lee Pitman looks a lot like Loughner's classmate Bryce Tierney and also looks a lot like Jared Lee Loughner.


Is the entire event a stage full-size laboratory experiment on the ease of releasing into society large series of similar clones without them being readily detected by the general public? This happens to be my latest idea about this entire event. We have lookalikes of well know historical figures of varying degrees of notoriety dating back only a generations or two, we have juxtaposed lookalikes shown in turn in relation to the same news story, and we have time lapsed individuals who were broadcast a while ago under one identity and are again presented as being somebody else. Then we have entirely fabricated and fictitious characters such as Christina Green who are turned into a cult following, used to focus public hysteria and generate mystical bonding.


What has happened seems to be something which is harder to get a handle on than originally anticipated. This rabbit hole goes a lot deeper than the JFK assassination - oh, but then again we still don't know quite how deep that rabbit hole went.


In any case we're going to have to be working our neurones overtime and skipping the Fluoride laden soft drinks or coffee until this one gets solved. I am torn between several theories. It is possible that the Nazi continuum, which does happen to exist, is involved in this. Yet it is also possible that we are being tested for our ability to identify people and know who is who and what is what. Finally this might be part of a broader field testing of the penetration of human society with large numbers of clones in anticipated transition to replace the countless citizens slated for termination under New World Order plans.


FWIW.


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I too have researched operation paperclip , I thought that the after effects would be vast .
The US worked with the nazis before and after WW2 there is NO reason to believe this does not continue .

Regarding Judge Roll, I've only seen 2 photos of him pre massacre but tonnes of Giffords probably going back 10 years .

As for his legal work , I had only heard recent events , at this moment I am not 100 % sure he exsisted . However if he did I see how "insiders " would have wanted him dead.
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Hi Ghost Viking,


This is cause for alarm, that he may not have really existed at all, or worse yet, that he didn't exist for long prior to the event meaning that he might have been "grown full-size" similarly to what they'd then be doing with Giffords' replacement currently "under development"?


The NASA Twins - given the Nazi history with twins - is also a most disturbing aspect to this case, making me lean towards a possible tie-in with a Nazi Clone production project. If so it might have come under attack, for example by the KGB or its current version as the GRU or FSB. The attacked agency would then have put into rapid deployment multiple agents stationed in various functions in the area to serve as eyewitnesses, family friends, classmates, teachers, relatives, investigators, doctors, etc. This might be why the smokescreen is so flimsy it hardly stands up to scrutiny unless one is entirely gullible.


You and Patriot Spirit are right that Judge Roll is a key to the entire investigation. Yet we shouldn't maybe entirely write off the cause for this thread, what was Brian Hewlett doing chanting at the Safeway store on Oracle road?


Cheers,


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There is video somewhere I just can't find it. I did find a description of what Judge Roll's "last moments" were like...

Barber was shot in the arm. Judge Roll then pushed him down and, shielding Barber with his own body, steered him to shelter under a nearby table. While under the table, Loughner aimed for Rollís exposed back and pulled the trigger. The video continues as Judge Roll looks up over his right shoulder, lies back down and dies at the scene.

Shot in the back... looks back up *wink* lays back down to die (wait)?

This whole thing has been awkward from the start the more I've looked into it the more suspicious I am.

This is from:

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Judge John Roll Was a Hero: Why Didn't We Know This?
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I too have researched operation paperclip , I thought that the after effects would be vast .
The US worked with the nazis before and after WW2 there is NO reason to believe this does not continue .

Regarding Judge Roll, I've only seen 2 photos of him pre massacre but tonnes of Giffords probably going back 10 years .

As for his legal work , I had only heard recent events , at this moment I am not 100 % sure he exsisted . However if he did I see how "insiders " would have wanted him dead.
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Hi Ghost Viking,


This is cause for alarm, that he may not have really existed at all, or worse yet, that he didn't exist for long prior to the event meaning that he might have been "grown full-size" similarly to what they'd then be doing with Giffords' replacement currently "under development"?


The NASA Twins - given the Nazi history with twins - is also a most disturbing aspect to this case, making me lean towards a possible tie-in with a Nazi Clone production project. If so it might have come under attack, for example by the KGB or its current version as the GRU or FSB. The attacked agency would then have put into rapid deployment multiple agents stationed in various functions in the area to serve as eyewitnesses, family friends, classmates, teachers, relatives, investigators, doctors, etc. This might be why the smokescreen is so flimsy it hardly stands up to scrutiny unless one is entirely gullible.


You and Patriot Spirit are right that Judge Roll is a key to the entire investigation. Yet we shouldn't maybe entirely write off the cause for this thread, what was Brian Hewlett doing chanting at the Safeway store on Oracle road?


Cheers,


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Hi Getsmart.

Regarding the NASA connection , being that Giffords will be partaking in her first public appearance, do you expect anything strange to happen ?


As for Brian Hewlett I have hit a dead end for now , I would still like to hear his reasoning for his behaviour .

Would you agree that it may be the case that there is no such "Loughner " in custody ?
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There is video somewhere I just can't find it. I did find a description of what Judge Roll's "last moments" were like...

Barber was shot in the arm. Judge Roll then pushed him down and, shielding Barber with his own body, steered him to shelter under a nearby table. While under the table, Loughner aimed for Rollís exposed back and pulled the trigger. The video continues as Judge Roll looks up over his right shoulder, lies back down and dies at the scene.

Shot in the back... looks back up *wink* lays back down to die (wait)?

This whole thing has been awkward from the start the more I've looked into it the more suspicious I am.

This is from:

Sandy Rios
Judge John Roll Was a Hero: Why Didn't We Know This?
[link to townhall.com]
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Wasn't that from the reinactment video ? Which incidently I believe will be the only "evidence" we will ever see .
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There is video somewhere I just can't find it. I did find a description of what Judge Roll's "last moments" were like...

Barber was shot in the arm. Judge Roll then pushed him down and, shielding Barber with his own body, steered him to shelter under a nearby table. While under the table, Loughner aimed for Rollís exposed back and pulled the trigger. The video continues as Judge Roll looks up over his right shoulder, lies back down and dies at the scene.

Shot in the back... looks back up *wink* lays back down to die (wait)?

This whole thing has been awkward from the start the more I've looked into it the more suspicious I am.

This is from:

Sandy Rios
Judge John Roll Was a Hero: Why Didn't We Know This?
[link to townhall.com]
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Wasn't that from the reinactment video ? Which incidently I believe will be the only "evidence" we will ever see .
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yes, and to top it off, there is actually two different video reenactments, one showing Roll jumping in front of Barber, and Loughner curiously turning the gun towards Roll, the second video shows Roll pulling Barber behind a table, and Loughner has to crouch down to shoot Roll.

Both videos are horribly made, and obviously the same "artist" made both of them, but they are different. What's with the discrepancy guys? I thought you reviewed the video sufficiently and have absolute proof?

They are obviously trying to make it seem like Roll was not the intended target.
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There is video somewhere I just can't find it. I did find a description of what Judge Roll's "last moments" were like...

Barber was shot in the arm. Judge Roll then pushed him down and, shielding Barber with his own body, steered him to shelter under a nearby table. While under the table, Loughner aimed for Rollís exposed back and pulled the trigger. The video continues as Judge Roll looks up over his right shoulder, lies back down and dies at the scene.

Shot in the back... looks back up *wink* lays back down to die (wait)?

This whole thing has been awkward from the start the more I've looked into it the more suspicious I am.

This is from:

Sandy Rios
Judge John Roll Was a Hero: Why Didn't We Know This?
[link to townhall.com]
 Quoting: JagerHitsULater





Wasn't that from the reinactment video ? Which incidently I believe will be the only "evidence" we will ever see .
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yes, and to top it off, there is actually two different video reenactments, one showing Roll jumping in front of Barber, and Loughner curiously turning the gun towards Roll, the second video shows Roll pulling Barber behind a table, and Loughner has to crouch down to shoot Roll.

Both videos are horribly made, and obviously the same "artist" made both of them, but they are different. What's with the discrepancy guys? I thought you reviewed the video sufficiently and have absolute proof?

They are obviously trying to make it seem like Roll was not the intended target.
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It does seem that way but its easy to see through because Loughners motive for killing Giffords is weak.However if the judge was the target i feel that it would have benn a professional who killed him.
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GhostViking: "Hi GetSmart!...So supah kewel of you to come from that other site to pat me on the back..."

GetSmart: "Glad to do it...We got booted from that other site because everyone was sick of our bullshit, but isn't it just swell that we have a whole new group on the internet to annoy with our obsessive delusions???..."

GhostViking: "I say!...It is just supah kewel...Did I tell you my latest theory about Loughner?...I have evidence that he knew in advance about that song 'Friday, Friday, gotta get down on Friday'...I just adore that song, but it's obvious that Loughner didn't..."

GetSmart: "We all know that Rebecca Black is a clone of the Judge that was killed...It's soooo obvious..."

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GetSmart: "Hi GhostViking...You are so kewel..."

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GetSmart: "Glad to do it...We got booted from that other site because everyone was sick of our bullshit, but isn't it just swell that we have a whole new group on the internet to annoy with our obsessive delusions???..."

GhostViking: "I say!...It is just supah kewel...Did I tell you my latest theory about Loughner?...I have evidence that he knew in advance about that song 'Friday, Friday, gotta get down on Friday'...I just adore that song, but it's obvious that Loughner didn't..."

GetSmart: "We all know that Rebecca Black is a clone of the Judge that was killed...It's soooo obvious..."

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