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>>>FUKUSHIMA - Cesium 137 CONTAMINATION HIGHER than CHERNOBYL? Already 3x EPA Evacuation Trigger...why no MANDATORY Evacuation?
I had just found this article this morning, explaining that levels of Cesium-137 are used to indicate evacuation.

As it stands, levels in Fukushima are already "surprisingly high" and 3x the EPA levels for evacuation. (150 millisieverts vs 50 millisieverts recommended by the EPA)

However, nuclear engineer Shih-Yew Chen of Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois goes on to state that the samples taken near Fukushima would be the equivalent of 8 million Bq/m2...compared to 5 million Bq/m2 at the highest readings outside of Chernobyl.

Chen just said Fukushima samples are SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER than highest cesium-137 levels around Chernobyl

Is this correct? Even if it approaching Chernobyl levels, isn't this causing anyone in Japan any alarm???

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Japan Soil Measurements Surprisingly High

by Jocelyn Kaiser on 25 March 2011, 6:14 PM

Meanwhile, on Wednesday the Japanese science ministry began to report measurements of cesium-137 in upland soil around the plant. The levels are highest from two points northeast of the plant, ranging from 8690 becquerels/kilogram to a high of 163,000 Bq/kg measured on 20 March from a point in Iitate about 40 kilometers northwest of the Fukushima plant

...Assuming the radiation is no more than 2 centimeters deep, Chen calculates that 163,000 Bq/kg is roughly equivalent to 8 million Bq/m2

The highest cesium-137 levels in some villages near Chernobyl were 5 million Bq/m2.


...The soil measurements are more significant for evacuation purposes than radioactivity in the air, says nuclear engineer Shih-Yew Chen of Argonne National Laboratory in Illinois, because cesium dust stays underfoot while air is transient.

Levels of cesium-137 are also more important than soil readings of iodine-131, which is short-lived and more of a concern in milk and vegetables. "It's the cesium that would prompt an evacuation," says Chen.

[link to news.sciencemag.org]

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From article:

Based on a rough estimate, a person standing on soil with 163,000 Bq/kg of cesium-137 would receive about 150 millisieverts per year of radiation, says Chen. This is well above the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency standard of 50 millisieverts per year for an evacuation.

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So, scientists have determined there are CS-137 levels 3x EPA limits within 40 km of Fukushima - why no mandatory evacuation? Is the Japanese government avoiding mandatory evacuations because they don't have any place to put Fukushima refugees , and are incapable of caring for them?

Maybe this piece is relevant:

In the event of a nuclear meltdown, well, go west?

| Al Jazeera Blogs | blogs.aljazeera.net

IWATE PREFECTURE - In the event of the unthinkable (yet horribly possible) nuclear meltdown at the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power complex, we have to wonder: Where would the evacuees go? How will they be cared for?

After all, the half a million residents left homeless by the March 11 earthquake and tsunami are taxing the government's emergency response... if on top of all of this, there needs to be a mass evacuation around the nuclear plant in Fukushima? What will the roads look like then? Where will these folks go?

[link to blogs.aljazeera.net]

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And it's not just Fukushima...the Ibaraki prefecture just south of it is even worse, and no one is talking about that, nor banning produce from that area.

Check the real Pachube real time radiation map

[link to community.pachube.com]
(Crowd-sourced realtime radiation monitoring in Japan)


Here's one. For comparison, the Japanese government recommended dose limit for public spaces is 1000 µSv per year, which is equal to 0.114 µSv per hour.

However, the level is0.581 for Hokota City.

[link to img11.imageshack.us]

From the [link to japan.failedrobot.com] site, a 0.415 dangerous reading from the Ibaraki prefecture, near Hokota City:

[link to img233.imageshack.us]

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well its already starting to hit mainstream news that reactor 3 could already be melting down. they are all steaming away again.
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well its already starting to hit mainstream news that reactor 3 could already be melting down. they are all steaming away again.
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Really? I wouldn't be surprised...but do you have a link?
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meanwhile good websites like this [link to www.zamg.ac.at]

have apparently been ORDERED to stop displaying data on i 131 and cs 137 FIVE DAYS AGO!!!!
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>> 1 Million died from Chernobyl- Fukushima has 6X nuclear material & more dense population than Chernobyl.

Nuclear Crisis In Japan & The Chernobyl Nuclear Disaster pt.1
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Dr. Alexey Yablokov is a member of the Russian Academy of Science and served as the Chair of the Russian National Security Council's Interagency Commission for Ecology under President Boris Yeltsin. In 2009 he co-authored "Chernobyl: Consequences of the Catastrophe for People and the Environment,"



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meanwhile good websites like this [link to www.zamg.ac.at]

have apparently been ORDERED to stop displaying data on i 131 and cs 137 FIVE DAYS AGO!!!!
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You're fucking kidding me...WTF???

It's the CS 137 and the Pu-239 (with half-life of 24000 years) which will kill us

I guess that's because most people can't easily measure either of those with a device you can buy on Ebay
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well its already starting to hit mainstream news that reactor 3 could already be melting down. they are all steaming away again.
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Really? I wouldn't be surprised...but do you have a link?
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watched it on the sky news headlines just a while ago.


Tepco also reported levels of caesium-137 almost 80 times the legal maximum. The latest data has increased fears that one of the six reactor cores at the the site may have been cracked There have been suspected meltdowns at three of the reactors as well as hydrogen explosions and fires.


[link to news.sky.com]
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well its already starting to hit mainstream news that reactor 3 could already be melting down. they are all steaming away again.
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Really? I wouldn't be surprised...but do you have a link?
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watched it on the sky news headlines just a while ago.


Tepco also reported levels of caesium-137 almost 80 times the legal maximum. The latest data has increased fears that one of the six reactor cores at the the site may have been cracked There have been suspected meltdowns at three of the reactors as well as hydrogen explosions and fires.


[link to news.sky.com]
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Ty for that...well maybe they are finally getting around to officially reporting it...two days ago the story about the crack was at the enenews site, but it doesn't seem to matter until it's given the official blessing of TV news

[link to enenews.com]

“Definite”: Fukushima No. 3 has “long vertical crack” down side reactor vessel – Nuclear Exec.

March 25th, 2011 at 06:02 PM

A senior nuclear executive who insisted on anonymity but has broad contacts in Japan said that there was a long vertical crack running down the side of the reactor vessel itself. The crack runs down below the water level in the reactor and has been leaking fluids and gases, he said.

The severity of the radiation burns to the injured workers are consistent with contamination by water that had been in contact with damaged fuel rods, the executive said.

“There is a definite, definite crack in the vessel — it’s up and down and it’s large,” he said. “The problem with cracks is they do not get smaller.” …
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Here's a reading which just soared, in Ibaraki prefecture, a region which had supplied vegatables to Tokyo:

[link to www.yomiuri.co.jp]


Momiyama Hokota City, Ibaraki prefecture

.687 uSv/hour = 6018 uSv/year

(Japanese government recommended dose limit for public spaces is 1000 µSv per year, which is equal to 0.114 µSv per hour.)

[link to img88.imageshack.us]

from this site

[link to japan.failedrobot.com]

Here is a closeup of the prefecture, look at readings:

[link to img832.imageshack.us]

Here is where Ibaraki is in relation to Fukushima (the pin to the north)

[link to img832.imageshack.us]

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Here's another article I found: "Fukushima Radioactive Fallout Nears Chernobyl Levels"

17:14 24 March 2011 by Debora MacKenzie

"The cumulative releases from Fukushima of iodine-131 and cesium-137 have reached 73% and 60% respectively of the amounts released from the 1986 Chernobyl accident. These numbers were reached independently from a monitoring station in Sacramento, CA, and Takasaki, Japan. The iodine and cesium releases are due to the cooking off of the more volatile elements in damaged fuel rods."

Japan's damaged nuclear plant in Fukushima has been emitting radioactive iodine and caesium at levels approaching those seen in the aftermath of the Chernobyl accident in 1986.

Austrian researchers have used a worldwide network of radiation detectors – designed to spot clandestine nuclear bomb tests – to show that iodine-131 is being released at daily levels 73 per cent of those seen after the 1986 disaster. The daily amount of caesium-137 released from Fukushima Daiichi is around 60 per cent of the amount released from Chernobyl.

The difference between this accident and Chernobyl, they say, is that at Chernobyl a huge fire released large amounts of many radioactive materials, including fuel particles, in smoke. At Fukushima Daiichi, only the volatile elements, such as iodine and caesium, are bubbling off the damaged fuel. But these substances could nevertheless pose a significant health risk outside the plant.



In the 10 days it burned, Chernobyl put out 1.76 × 1018 becquerels of iodine-131, which amounts to only 50 per cent more per day than has been calculated for Fukushima Daiichi. It is not yet clear how long emissions from the Japanese plant will continue.

Similarly...caesium-137 emissions are on the same order of magnitude as at Chernobyl. The Sacramento readings suggest it has emitted 5 × 1015 becquerels of caesium-137 per day; Chernobyl put out 8.5 × 1016 in total – around 70 per cent more per day.

"This is not surprising," says Wotawa. "When the fuel is damaged there is no reason for the volatile elements not to escape," and the measured caesium and iodine are in the right ratios for the fuel used by the Fukushima Daiichi reactors.

Also, the Fukushima plant has around 1760 tonnes of fresh and used nuclear fuel on site, and an unknown amount has been damaged. The Chernobyl reactor had only 180 tonnes.


[link to www.newscientist.com]

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A good link with a map of radiation levels in Tokyo and Chiba

Radiation Levels for Tokyo, Chiba, Saitama, Ibaraki

[link to fleep.com]

TOKYO: [link to fleep.com]

CHIBA: [link to fleep.com]

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More links:

Fukushima Nuclear Data Proliferation:
[link to blogs.nature.com]

[link to www.bousai.ne.jp]

Fukushima Nuclear Accident Update Log, Updates of 26 March 2011
Source: International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA)
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you cannot say that it is higer than Chernobyl becaue you factored the measurements on one side without considering if the other side needed to be factored as well.
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you cannot say that it is higer than Chernobyl becaue you factored the measurements on one side without considering if the other side needed to be factored as well.
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What is the other side? I'm going by the stated BQ measurements in the article. If you know more, please please fill me in. I'm sincerely looking for information here, as it seems to be lacking coming from other sources. This came from what appears to be a reputable science magazine.

I asked a question...is this higher? I'm looking for data

A few days back it was at 70% of Chernobyl levels, per the New Scientist article.

From the original piece:

Meanwhile, on Wednesday the Japanese science ministry began to report measurements of cesium-137 in upland soil around the plant. The levels are highest from two points northeast of the plant, ranging from 8690 becquerels/kilogram to a high of 163,000 Bq/kg measured on 20 March from a point in Iitate about 40 kilometers northwest of the Fukushima plant

...Assuming the radiation is no more than 2 centimeters deep, Chen calculates that 163,000 Bq/kg is roughly equivalent to 8 million Bq/m2

The highest cesium-137 levels in some villages near Chernobyl were 5 million Bq/m2.


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you cannot say that it is higer than Chernobyl becaue you factored the measurements on one side without considering if the other side needed to be factored as well.
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What is the other side? I'm going by the stated BQ measurements in the article

I asked a question...is this higher? I'm looking for confirmation, as it doesn't seem that the media is focused on CS levels

a few days back it was at 70% of Chernobyl levels
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I am talhing about the soil measurements, you assume the m2 in japan needed to be factored due to Celsium only being near the top while you didn't due that on the Chernobyl side.
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you cannot say that it is higer than Chernobyl becaue you factored the measurements on one side without considering if the other side needed to be factored as well.
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What is the other side? I'm going by the stated BQ measurements in the article

I asked a question...is this higher? I'm looking for confirmation, as it doesn't seem that the media is focused on CS levels

a few days back it was at 70% of Chernobyl levels
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I am talhing about the soil measurements, you assume the m2 in japan needed to be factored due to Celsium only being near the top while you didn't due that on the Chernobyl side.
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I'm not the author of the piece. Look here for the source:

[link to news.sciencemag.org]

also:

[link to www.newscientist.com]
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There's a very interesting debate in the comments section of the New Scientist article:

[link to www.newscientist.com]

Debora MacKenzie (author) writes:

The Austrians have calculated that 1.2 to 1.3 x 10^17 becquerels of iodine-131 per day are coming out of Fukushima. Chernobyl put out 1.76 x 10^18 becquerels of iodine-131 - over a ten day period. Its average daily production was one tenth of that, which is 1.76 x 10^17.

That is the same order of magnitude as the daily production calculated to be coming out of Fukushima. In fact, as we said, the calculated Fukushima emissions are slightly lower than the Chernobyl figure, because 1.76 is about 50 per cent higher than 1.2.

The same arithmetic applies to caesium. Fukushima is calculated as emitting 5x10^15 becquerels of caesium-137 per day. Chernobyl put out 8.5x10^16 in ten days, or 8.5x10^15 per day on average. Again, same order of magnitude, with Chernobyl slightly higher, as 8.5 is around 70 per cent more than 5.
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Response by reader: Irresponsible Reporting
Fri Mar 25 16:51:54 GMT 2011 by DiskJunky

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It seems the reporter, Debora, has a reputation for expanding the truth a little. I'm disappointed in New Scientist for letting her get away with it :-(

Please report your figures correctly and not cherry-pick the highest ones! Even your source says that levels of radio caesium is at 20-60%. NOT the 60% you reported. Sloppy and misleading.
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Why, thank you for saying I expand the truth. I try.

I am afraid you have misundertood the "20-60" per cent figure that appeared in the Austrian report. It referred to something completely unrelated to the 60 per cent you say I use.

They calculated the total emissions of iodine and caesium from Fukushima for the first three days of the accident, as calculated on the basis of readings in the US and Japan, and expressed that as a fraction of the total of those isotopes emitted by Chernobyl. For example, for iodine-131 it's 1.3 plus 1.3 plus 1.2 x 10^17 Bq, which is 22 per cent of 17.6 x 10^17 Bq, Chernobyl's total iodine-131 emissions.

We, in contrrast, reported the rate the Austrians calculated for emissions per day from Fukushima, and compared that to emissions from Chernobyl per day. When an event is not yet over, this is a fair comparison to make.

You say I use a figure of 60 per cent. I presume this is an average of the 50 and 70 per cent higher the *daily* Chernobyl emissions of, respectively, iodine-131 and caesium-137, were than the calcuated *daily* emissions from Fukushima. You feel this was irresponsible as the Austrians used the figure 20-60 per cent.

They did, but it described something completely different: they said the *total* emissions of caesium-137 from Fukushima in the first three days were 20-60 per cent of the *total* emissions of caesium-137 from Chernobyl.

The reason for the range was that, unlike the measurement of iodine where the two stations agreed, the Japanese station measured much more caesium, 4 x 10^16 Bq, than the US, 5 x 10^15 Bq. Three days at the apparent US level would give you 1.5 x 10^16, around 20 (actually 18) per cent as much caesium as Chernobyl put out in ten days, which was 8.5 x 10^16 Bq. Two days at the US level plus one at the measured Japanese level gives you 5 x 10^16, or 60 (actually 59) per cent as much as Chernobyl.

So they gave caesium emissions for the first three days as 20-60 per cent of the total emissions of Chernobyl, as there were technical reasons to think the Japanese reading may have been too high, so they could only say that the output was somewhere in that range. I used only the lower US reading, to be conservative.

So perhaps, on this occasion at least, the term "sloppy and misleading" does not apply, at least to our use of the numbers.

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Radioactive fallout from Fukushima is comparable to Chernobyl – ‘Iitate has reached a contamination level in which evacuation is necessary’


Posted by Jim at Friday, March 25, 2011

Separately, calculations made by experts place the level of soil contamination in some locations at levels comparable to those found after the Chernobyl accident in 1986.

With the Fukushima plant continuing to release radiation, there is the danger that the contaminated land will be unusable for many years.

The discharge of radioactive iodine at the Chernobyl accident was said to be about 1.8 million terabecquerels...Meanwhile, calculations of soil contamination by experts have already produced results that are at the same level as for Chernobyl.

According to Tetsuji Imanaka, an associate professor of nuclear engineering at the Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute, if the Iitate figure was converted to one square meter, the figure would be 3.26 million becquerels.

After the Chernobyl accident, residents who lived in regions with cesium levels of 550,000 becquerels ore more per square meter were forcibly moved elsewhere.

"Iitate has reached a contamination level in which evacuation is necessary," Imanaka said. "Radiation is still being released from the Fukushima plant. The areas of high contamination can be considered to be on par with Chernobyl."


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CHRISTOPHER BUSBY: FUKUSHIMA 43 MILE CONTAMINATION LEVELS TWICE AS HIGH AS CHERNOBYL

Prison Planet editor Paul Joseph Watson sits in while Alex is away. Paul talks with Christopher Busby, a British scientist and activist known for his work on the health effects of ionizing radiation.




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Re: >>>FUKUSHIMA - Cesium 137 CONTAMINATION HIGHER than CHERNOBYL? Already 3x EPA Evacuation Trigger...why no MANDATORY Evacuation?
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Wade Allison, sadly, is a well known apologist for the nuclear industry. Like George "how I learned to love radiation" Monbiot, his opinion isn't credible to me, especially not now.
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Re: >>>FUKUSHIMA - Cesium 137 CONTAMINATION HIGHER than CHERNOBYL? Already 3x EPA Evacuation Trigger...why no MANDATORY Evacuation?
Maybe they aren't worried about evacuation because they know it won't matter where you go.
Or the people still there are so radioactive, that telling them to leave wouldn't make a diff. either. verysad
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Re: >>>FUKUSHIMA - Cesium 137 CONTAMINATION HIGHER than CHERNOBYL? Already 3x EPA Evacuation Trigger...why no MANDATORY Evacuation?
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Wade Allison, sadly, is a well known apologist for the nuclear industry. Like George "how I learned to love radiation" Monbiot, his opinion isn't credible to me, especially not now.
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sorr my keyboard stopped working so could not type when posted it.

I would say this is where tepco get ther information from,
yes its got radation, but its fine its safe
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Re: >>>FUKUSHIMA - Cesium 137 CONTAMINATION HIGHER than CHERNOBYL? Already 3x EPA Evacuation Trigger...why no MANDATORY Evacuation?
250mSv in one day and your spleen will be damaged. Thats only 10 mSv per hour.
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03/26/2011 02:52 PM
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Re: >>>FUKUSHIMA - Cesium 137 CONTAMINATION HIGHER than CHERNOBYL? Already 3x EPA Evacuation Trigger...why no MANDATORY Evacuation?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1290578


Wade Allison, sadly, is a well known apologist for the nuclear industry. Like George "how I learned to love radiation" Monbiot, his opinion isn't credible to me, especially not now.
 Quoting: oldboldpilot


sorr my keyboard stopped working so could not type when posted it.

I would say this is where tepco get ther information from,
yes its got radation, but its fine its safe
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Then that would explain many things. Wade Allison, like George Monbiot, are supporters of the anti-carbon movement, which is probably why the BBC publishes his essays. The BBC was one of the only papers to never even acknowledge that the Climate Gate papers had ever been released, so strongly devoted are they to the global warming cause.

He already has a book out called "Reason and Radiation, and this January, he had just written a new article entitled "Irrational Fears" explaining why people's crazy fears of nuclear power and "misplaced" health stigmas are giving nuclear energy a bad name, and keeping it from being used even more...google it.

I'd hardly say he's impartial, lol

Last Edited by oldboldpilot on 03/26/2011 02:53 PM
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