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The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..

 
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The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
This IS the best plan so far, imo..

posted 10pm 3-28-2011 PST..

Sunday, March 27, 2011
Build a seawall, pronto!

Broken piping and/or vessel rupture has poured highly radioactive water into the turbine hall basements. This is infinitely worse than previous. I think it's an urgent priority to make a seawall (sunken barges loaded with cement, infill with rock, scrap metal, debris from tsunami damage) and close/shut down the underground heat discharge loop.

Blow the roof off #2, air drop boron and shredded tin, repeat.

[link to oilgeology.blogspot.com]

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together with help from these..

Japan nuclear plant gets help from US robots
Obama administration sends shipment of robots to help regain control over stricken Fukushima nuclear plant


Robots, with electronics built to withstand radiation, can work in areas of Fukushima where radiation levels would soon kill a human engineer.

They can also help experts get a view on damage to the reactor core. Lyons said the robots would be equipped with cameras as well as devices to measure radiation.

"They could go places where you certainly wouldn't send a person," he said.

The department of energy has developed a number of remotely operated robots designed to clear up radioactive waste from department of energy test weapons sites, Lyons said

[link to www.guardian.co.uk]

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Last Edited by OpenEnded on 03/29/2011 03:53 PM
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
my idea:

build a custom 3d-printer which is shielded from EM radiation interference. It will be a challenge to build a large, rugged, and efficacious printer, but it is not beyond the realm of possibility. The most difficult aspect will of course be to engineer this custom 3-d printer quickly enough.

example:




Next someone will need to formulate a way to use Starlite in the 3-d printer.

Starlite is extremely fire resistant, and is rumored to be resistant to nuclear radiation, and explosions:



Next the dome will need to be constructed over the entirety of the nuclear complex, or several smaller domes more precisely over the various 'trouble-spots'.


These domes should have detachable one way ports.

Detonate a tactical nuclear device inside the domes, of the magnitude necessary to vaporize remaining fuel, then proceed to fill the domes via the one way detachable ports with boronic acid. Lastly fill the domes with dirt and concrete.

Idea #2
pour molten iron & silver into the reactors containment vessels that are breached, and allow the molten metals to seep into the melted rods(active measures may need to be taken).

after the silver, iron, and melted fuel rods have tempered pump super cold salt water mixed with boron into the containment vessels. then pump liquid nitrogen.

the idea is basically to mix the iron, silver and plutonium as a liquid and then try to cool it enough to solidify it. If this is possible would it be possible to guide, contain, or extract the injected material using power magnets or electromagnetic generators?
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
p.s. the dome in idea #1 will be printed upon a frame dropped by Chinooks, and will be made of (carbon fiber infrastructure?), with a thick layer of starlite printed around it.
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
p.s. the dome in idea #1 will be printed upon a frame dropped by Chinooks, and will be made of (carbon fiber infrastructure?), with a thick layer of starlite printed around it.
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for a long term solution this shows promise imo. at least the domes part, not the bombing..

for now we could build a sea wall and get water flowing within days if the UN or IAEA stepped in..
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
don't like the idea of tempering magnetic/thermoconductive metals and then attempting to chill them with boronic salt water and liquid nitrogen to contain the melted rods in an electromagnetic field?

i don't even know if it is physically possible, but its an idea anyway!
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
don't like the idea of tempering magnetic/thermoconductive metals and then attempting to chill them with boronic salt water and liquid nitrogen to contain the melted rods in an electromagnetic field?

i don't even know if it is physically possible, but its an idea anyway!
 Quoting: mrphilosophias


it's this part "Detonate a tactical nuclear device inside the domes, of the magnitude necessary to vaporize remaining fuel" seems unnecessary and dangerous imo. the fuel would be cooled by recirculated water therefore no longer dangerous..
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
a backhoe with a specially designed tool embedded with tesla coils that can electromagnetically levitate the molten rods?
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
a backhoe with a specially designed tool embedded with tesla coils that can electromagnetically levitate the molten rods?
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that technology is under control of the Dept. of Defense to the best of my knowledge..
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
Here I thought I had just made that up. Is it wishful thinking to wonder if one of these ultra exclusive think-tank clubs would consider hiring a scrub like me?
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
Here's an idea.

We get a delorean and a flux capacitor and travel at 88 mph back to March 4th and warn the Japs that they are going to have a huge nuclear meltdown following an earthquake and tsunami

oh, yeah,

They wouldn't believe us, would they.

Darn it-Carry on.
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
up, maybe one of the shills at the NSAs supervisors are watching over their shoulder and will use the idea for a promotion!
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
This IS the best plan so far, imo..

posted 10pm 3-28-2011 PST..

Sunday, March 27, 2011
Build a seawall, pronto!

Broken piping and/or vessel rupture has poured highly radioactive water into the turbine hall basements. This is infinitely worse than previous. I think it's an urgent priority to make a seawall (sunken barges loaded with cement, infill with rock, scrap metal, debris from tsunami damage) and close/shut down the underground heat discharge loop.

Blow the roof off #2, air drop boron and shredded tin, repeat.

[link to oilgeology.blogspot.com]

crisco

there is more on the link..
 Quoting: OpenEnded


yep , time to bring in prisoners.
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
up, maybe one of the shills at the NSAs supervisors are watching over their shoulder and will use the idea for a promotion!
 Quoting: mrphilosophias


They're all shitting themselves.
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
good comedy here. if anyone has any refinements or suggestions regarding the plan suggested in the OP please post it here. Thx in advance..
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
Japan nuclear plant gets help from US robots
Obama administration sends shipment of robots to help regain control over stricken Fukushima nuclear plant


Robots, with electronics built to withstand radiation, can work in areas of Fukushima where radiation levels would soon kill a human engineer.

They can also help experts get a view on damage to the reactor core. Lyons said the robots would be equipped with cameras as well as devices to measure radiation.

"They could go places where you certainly wouldn't send a person," he said.

The department of energy has developed a number of remotely operated robots designed to clear up radioactive waste from department of energy test weapons sites, Lyons said

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Last Edited by OpenEnded on 03/29/2011 03:53 PM
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: The best solution so far for the reactor Disaster..
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Thx AC, laser cooling may be another good help, but if the whole place is underwater i don't know if they would work..

Laser cooling refers to the number of techniques in which atomic and molecular samples are cooled through the interaction with one or more laser light fields. The first example of laser cooling, and also still the most common method of laser cooling (so much so that it is still often referred to as 'laser cooling') is Doppler cooling.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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