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Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........

 
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I would urge everyone to google

"Jesus Words Only" and read the Free online book, which 100% proves beyond a doubt Paul was a false prophet.

Historians and textual scholars are already aware of many of these things, it is well known that Paul was the enemy of the 12 in Jerusalem.

Jerome even wrote about it in the pre-face of the Latin Bible!

Modern day christians are just utterly ignorant as to how the Bible was put together, and how various things were determined to be "Scripture"
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LOL, you forgot to mention Paul gives 3 totally different accounts of his conversion. (Quoting Dionysus in the 3rd)
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Nice, thats what I'm talkin bout. Its ok though, I just want them all to say "Hello I follow the words of Paul." Not...."if you accept Jesus as your savior then you will not perish" hahahaha See the difference????? Its quite interesting.

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I haven't read these four pages but I am going to bet pointing out who christians really follow has brought out the "best" in them...

I've seen christians get scary angry in person over this discussion... I call it a forced to face truth meltdown... never pretty.
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LOL, you forgot to mention Paul gives 3 totally different accounts of his conversion. (Quoting Dionysus in the 3rd)
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Nice, thats what I'm talkin bout. Its ok thought, I just want them all to say "Hello I follow the words of Paul." Not...."if you accept Jesus as your savior then you will not perish" hahahaha See the difference????? Its quite interesting.
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VivianV read "Jesus Words Only"

And "Questioning Paul" on the net. Both are free.

Both lay out unrefutable evidence Paul was the corrupter of what Y'shua taught!
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When the New Testament refers to the "holy scripture",
it refers to the Old Testament.

Yet most Christians today have replaced the holy scripture
with letters written by Christ's disciples... disciples who
never intended for their letters to replace the law and the
prophets [holy scripture.]




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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
Not sure if it's been brought up yet as I haven't read the whole thread but, some of you really need to look up what the Gospel Jesus and John the Baptist preached and then look up what Paul's Gospel was. And yes, Paul called it "his" Gospel. They are not the same at all.

Plus, I've seen multiple posts trying to defend Paul using quotes from Acts - apparently some of you aren't aware of who wrote Acts - Luke - Paul's close friend and companion, who also never met Jesus.
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
You have not proved your point. You cannot just decide that you are right. You are saying you can obtain salvation on your own merit through your good works. Do you ever do evil works? Are you perfect? The good news is your fate is not dependent on you but on God, and that work is accomplished. The sole reason Jesus came to this earth and willfully sacrifice himself was because we are unable on our own to achieve that perfection. Why did Jesus willfully die if you are able to obtain God-hood on your own? I understand why it is hard for people to agree with Christianity because it has been twisted to become just another form of religious slavery. I am saying that the message of the bible in the new testament is that we are from that slavery in which you choose to live. Good news!
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I understand what you mean, he died on the cross and his blood washed our sins away, right??? So, I'm saying thats fine, but just don't put Paul as the main source of your beliefs or you're not following Jesus. Jesus' words and actions are the true meaning of christianity, not Paul. Even though Paul literally did invent Christianity as we know it today, and that IS all I'm trying to say.....
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I'm having a difficult time following you. Are you saying that we all need the sacrifice of Christ in order to be saved? Question, who did Jesus rebuke and correct in the gospels? Do you believe that Jesus willfully died for us or that he was caught off guard and murdered without his allowing? The part I still don't agree with you on is that you cinflux to say that the two messages are opposed to one another. It is not an either or in my view. Are people saved by knowledge?
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
OP, you seem to have forgot the part about worshipping GOD, alone. Stop worshiping a HUMAN, Jesus, and listen to what the teacher, Jesus said: Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone"
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
OP, you seem to have forgot the part about worshipping GOD, alone. Stop worshiping a HUMAN, Jesus, and listen to what the teacher, Jesus said: Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone"
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“If we are peaceful, if we are happy, we can smile and blossom like a flower, and everyone in our family, our entire society, will benefit from our peace.”
Thich Nhat Hanh, Being Peace

"But ask the animals, and they will teach you,
or the birds in the sky, and they will tell you;
or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

"When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - Hunter S. Thompson



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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
OP, you seem to have forgot the part about worshipping GOD, alone. Stop worshiping a HUMAN, Jesus, and listen to what the teacher, Jesus said: Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone"
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Jesus has a great sense of humor doesn't he...
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
OP, you seem to have forgot the part about worshipping GOD, alone. Stop worshiping a HUMAN, Jesus, and listen to what the teacher, Jesus said: Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone"
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I thought of this too, and then I realized the OP is well on their way to doing this - just still on the narrow pathway. They'll get there. It is difficult to shed years of indoctrination to make a LARGE leap all at once.

I really like that you distinguish Yeshua as the teacher, and the verse you use. Nice work.
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OP, you seem to have forgot the part about worshipping GOD, alone. Stop worshiping a HUMAN, Jesus, and listen to what the teacher, Jesus said: Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone"

 Quoting: Anon&on&on




Christ spoke Putinese ;-)


Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the God of Israel,
God's Temple made without hands, the fullness of God
dwelling bodily.






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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
This ties in with a certain group trying to wipe out he 12 tribes.
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
So if we are to discard all of the books written by Paul and follow Jesus, fine. Let's do it. I will only accept the books in the bible written by Jesus. Wait a sec, Jesus didn't write any of the books in the bible. You're argument does not hold water. All of scripture is written by man, divinely inspired.
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
OP, you seem to have forgot the part about worshipping GOD, alone. Stop worshiping a HUMAN, Jesus, and listen to what the teacher, Jesus said: Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone"

 Quoting: Anon&on&on




Christ spoke Putinese ;-)


Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the God of Israel,
God's Temple made without hands, the fullness of God
dwelling bodily.






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 Quoting: AlasBabylon


BTW, the language Jesus spoke had him calling God, "Eloh/Alah" (Close to Allah)
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
This ties in with a certain group trying to wipe out he 12 tribes.

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What ties in ?


That modern Christians have thrown out over half their Bible
the part that gives them God's Law, history and prophecy.

That evil impostors have assumed Israel's identity and
most of true Israel thinks they are goyim.

That the only way a certain group will be destroyed is
to expose their Big Lie so God's People will realize
they have been deceived by the synagogue of satan.




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Paul wasn't self-appointed, Jesus chose him. This is recorded in the bible.

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
-- Acts 9:15

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I was appointed myself by The Lord as Well.

How can you be certain, I have written a bit down on that, shall I send you a copy?


Paul/Saul wrote The Acts.

Hello
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"Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15, NKJV).
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
The Pauline epistles (forming the Corpus Paulinum) constitute those epistles written in the name of the Apostle Paul.

These letters were written to Christian communities in specific cities or geographical regions, often to address issues faced by that particular community. Prominent themes include the relationship both to broader "pagan" society, to Judaism, and to other Christians.

* Epistle to the Romans
* First Epistle to the Corinthians
* Second Epistle to the Corinthians
* Epistle to the Galatians
* Epistle to the Ephesians
* Epistle to the Philippians
* Epistle to the Colossians
* First Epistle to the Thessalonians
* Second Epistle to the Thessalonians
* Epistle to Philemon
* First Epistle to Timothy
* Second Epistle to Timothy
* Epistle to Titus

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Paul was the first missionary and founder of the church, not Jesus. He did not found or begin any type of church..... it was this guy.
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Absolutely, and then the First Council of Nicea determined whose writing should go into the Christian Bible and in what form...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
OP, you seem to have forgot the part about worshipping GOD, alone. Stop worshiping a HUMAN, Jesus, and listen to what the teacher, Jesus said: Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone"

 Quoting: Anon&on&on




Christ spoke Putinese ;-)


Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the God of Israel,
God's Temple made without hands, the fullness of God
dwelling bodily.






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 Quoting: AlasBabylon


BTW, the language Jesus spoke had him calling God, "Eloh/Alah" (Close to Allah)

 Quoting: Anon&on&on




" Putinese" is my word for Vladimir Putin style
symbolic speaking that only the wise understand.

Christ spoke Aramaic along with Hebrew and Greek.
All three were in spoken in Palestine at the time.



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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
OP, you seem to have forgot the part about worshipping GOD, alone. Stop worshiping a HUMAN, Jesus, and listen to what the teacher, Jesus said: Mark 10:18 "Why do you call me good? No one is good--except God alone"

 Quoting: Anon&on&on




Christ spoke Putinese ;-)


Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the God of Israel,
God's Temple made without hands, the fullness of God
dwelling bodily.






.
 Quoting: AlasBabylon


BTW, the language Jesus spoke had him calling God, "Eloh/Alah" (Close to Allah)

 Quoting: Anon&on&on



" Putinese" is my word for Vladimir Putin style
symbolic speaking that only the wise understand.
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 Quoting: AlasBabylon




The Christ has a way of peering deep into the soul. He told that man exactly what he needed to hear. Every word is dripping with righteousness and is perfect for the hearer. But of course, the one who gave speech to man surely is master of it.

peace,
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I'm having a difficult time following you. Are you saying that we all need the sacrifice of Christ in order to be saved? Question, who did Jesus rebuke and correct in the gospels? Do you believe that Jesus willfully died for us or that he was caught off guard and murdered without his allowing? The part I still don't agree with you on is that you cinflux to say that the two messages are opposed to one another. It is not an either or in my view. Are people saved by knowledge?
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People are saved by right wisdom, right action and right speech. We are not all perfect, but that is the goal to do good things always and remaining humble, by not thinking we know everything {{I know nothing other than what my intuition and studying tells me}}.

If Jesus really died for all of the world, then we are saved already and don't need to do anything else? Not quite, we need to live like good people and help others.

Jesus never met Paul, so I don't know if thats what you mean by rebuking? He did have debates with the Pharisees and Sadducee, so he did correct their wrong thinking, and this was when he was 12 or 13.

I think he knew he was going to be murdered and was willing to die as a martyr.

If one puts all of their faith within words of a book and doesn't live by the words of the man they are professing to follow, then I call blasphemy and they are incorrect. People can be saved by knowledge if it is truth, not if it has been tainted, which all scriptural books have been tainted at some point in human history.

Paul's writings in the bible are the basis for a lot of christians to feel they can judge each other and become very self-righteous. They do not even know the words of Jesus, just Paul and expect me to take them seriously in debate.
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So if we are to discard all of the books written by Paul and follow Jesus, fine. Let's do it. I will only accept the books in the bible written by Jesus. Wait a sec, Jesus didn't write any of the books in the bible. You're argument does not hold water. All of scripture is written by man, divinely inspired.
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All of scripture is also edited by men who seek to have control over your thoughts and behaviors.

Better to trust your innate sense of right and wrong. It's called a conscience and we are all endowed by our Creator with one.

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Christ spoke Putinese ;-)


Jesus Christ is the incarnation of the God of Israel,
God's Temple made without hands, the fullness of God
dwelling bodily.






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 Quoting: AlasBabylon


BTW, the language Jesus spoke had him calling God, "Eloh/Alah" (Close to Allah)

 Quoting: Anon&on&on



" Putinese" is my word for Vladimir Putin style
symbolic speaking that only the wise understand.
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 Quoting: AlasBabylon




The Christ has a way of peering deep into the soul. He told that man exactly what he needed to hear. Every word is dripping with righteousness and is perfect for the hearer. But of course, the one who gave speech to man surely is master of it.

peace,


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indeed





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So if we are to discard all of the books written by Paul and follow Jesus, fine. Let's do it. I will only accept the books in the bible written by Jesus. Wait a sec, Jesus didn't write any of the books in the bible. You're argument does not hold water. All of scripture is written by man, divinely inspired.
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All of scripture is also edited by men who seek to have control over your thoughts and behaviors.

Better to trust your innate sense of right and wrong. It's called a conscience and we are all endowed by our Creator with one.

Eridu
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exactly, ALL of scripture has been edited. so what is the point of this thread?
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exactly, ALL of scripture has been edited. so what is the point of this thread?
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The point is that more than half of the new testament was written by a dude who claimed to be an authority on the teachings of Jesus, when actually he was a person that never met Jesus and was skewing the teachings and half the NT was written by him! So Christians quoting this or that to try and judge people are usually quoting Paul, and come off really self-righteous makes them Paul quoters. They rarely ever quote the ACTUAL teachings of Jesus. Thats the point of this thread. Did you read any of the thread or did you just jump in blindly and say one dumb thing then act like the thread is what is dumb??
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"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. Matthew 7:13

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I'm having a difficult time following you. Are you saying that we all need the sacrifice of Christ in order to be saved? Question, who did Jesus rebuke and correct in the gospels? Do you believe that Jesus willfully died for us or that he was caught off guard and murdered without his allowing? The part I still don't agree with you on is that you cinflux to say that the two messages are opposed to one another. It is not an either or in my view. Are people saved by knowledge?
 Quoting: Adam 1162275


here's a few discrepancies as an example. I'm not going to type them all out right now.....

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exactly, ALL of scripture has been edited. so what is the point of this thread?
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The point is that more than half of the new testament was written by a dude who claimed to be an authority on the teachings of Jesus, when actually he was a person that never met Jesus and was skewing the teachings and half the NT was written by him! So Christians quoting this or that to try and judge people are usually quoting Paul, and come off really self-righteous makes them Paul quoters. They rarely ever quote the ACTUAL teachings of Jesus. Thats the point of this thread. Did you read any of the thread or did you just jump in blindly and say one dumb thing then act like the thread is what is dumb??
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If you believe that Christ is the only way then you agree with Paul and are therefore a Pauline. If you believe that you are able to perform the work of salvation then you neither agree with Jesus or Paul. The good news is that it doesn't matter what you understand to be true. The work has been accomplished, and when the appointed time arrives all will be revealed. The only issue I have is that it seems to me that your problem with Paul is how modern day Christians misuse his letters. Many also misinterpret Jesus as well, so that is not the reason to believe or not believe the original doctrine. I totally agree that many are judgmental and use the bible to enslave, but those are not actual words of Jesus and Paul. The letters of Paul speak of freedom. Jesus and Paul openly rebuked the religious doctrines of their day. They both preached freedom from enslaving doctrines of men. They both spoke of Jesus Christ being the only way and that Jesus accomplished all that was necessary. Paul was also talking to people that after believing this message should live accordingly, but not as a means to obtain salvation. I haven't been convinced that the message from Jesus and Paul are in contradiction. You keep wanting to focus on the story of conversion, but the words that they spoke are in alignment, so in my mind there is no issue.
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it is well known that out of the 100 most influential men ever known St. Paul is #1. Jesus is #3. and you guessed it Prophet Muhhamed AWS is #2.
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Hey OP, what about Peter? Is he legit or is he a fraud too?





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