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Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........

 
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
oh...what the heck..

since this is a conspiracy website..lets get to it =]


NIV published by zondervan...

Zondervan..owned by harper collins..

Harper collins puts out books like
The Joy of Gay Sex
Satanic Bible


and now the NIV wants to be the universal Bible..
hmm..<hmm..universalism..>

and in a world where you must be politically correct..as to ...you know..not offend anyone..The NIV wants to be more...."gender neutral...."

after all..im sure GOD will be OK with the scriptures being manipulated to be more PC...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 939002


Oh ok, so where a book is published gives it some sort of credibility or not? I don't think so...

The guy who thought to retranslate it was just a Christian engineer who wanted to help people get more accurate DIRECT translations from as many DIRECT source material as they could. Why are you scared of direct translation?
 Quoting: VivianV


uhh...ya...where a book is published makes a big difference...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 939002


So, you think direct translation, which I practiced with in Hebrew class in college is invalid because the publisher is associated with.... homosexuality and Satan? There are many other things to consider besides the publisher, they just pick and choose what they will publish and have no say in content. What you really need to look at is

[link to www.wikihow.com]

And you think that all of these books are invalid because of what you say? I just don't agree at all....

[link to www.amazon.com]
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
Paulism is an anti-Christian doctrine. Jesus told us to be perfect like God, and to love each other as He loved us while Paul told us to do nothing besides following his dogma and thus becomes slaves of an organized power apparatus.
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You win

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YES! This too ^^^^^^^^

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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
Benjamin the wolf that divides is only part of the picture. There is more....

Ge 43:34 And he took and sent messes unto them from before him: but Benjamin’s mess was five times so much as any of theirs. And they drank, and were merry with him.

Ge 45:22 To all of them he gave each man changes of raiment; but to Benjamin he gave three hundred pieces of silver, and five changes of raiment.

Paul's revelation, like Benjamin's gifts from his brother, Joseph, is greater than that given to the other tribes - many times greater.

Also, appearances with Benjamin can be deceiving. It appears he is a thief to his brothers when Joseph's silver cup is found in the mouth of his sack. But, it is a setup by his brother Joseph to test his other brothers, to divide so to speak, their spirits and hearts. The readers of the Genesis story have additional information the participants were lacking. We know what is really going on when the brothers do not. This knowledge is intended to be carried forward wherever Benjamin appears in the story. The reader must always know there is more to the story that may not be immediately seen.

For example, Saul, of Benjamin, is a test for David. To all appearances Saul appears to be malicious, jealous, of evil intent toward David. Yet, at the end of his life what did David have to say about him?

2 Sam 1:23 Saul and Jonathan were lovely and pleasant in their lives

Judah offers to take his brother Benjamin's place as his substitute as a captive to Joseph. David of Judah replaces, Saul of Benjamin, as king of Israel. The Genesis archetypal patterns are always at play throughout the Bible.

Paul has the revelation. But, it is nearly unintelligible. And, that is the thorn in his flesh.

2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

What is the thorn? What would be more humbling than to be given the greatest revelation ever given to a human being and not to be able to share clearly with anyone else what that revelation was? You would go to your grave with its secret, no one ever knowing how great you were in the eyes of God to be given so great a revelation.

Paul, is a lawyer, and who is more unintelligible than a lawyer? That's why he was chosen. He is capable of speaking without readily revealing.
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
oh...what the heck..

since this is a conspiracy website..lets get to it =]


NIV published by zondervan...

Zondervan..owned by harper collins..

Harper collins puts out books like
The Joy of Gay Sex
Satanic Bible


and now the NIV wants to be the universal Bible..
hmm..<hmm..universalism..>

and in a world where you must be politically correct..as to ...you know..not offend anyone..The NIV wants to be more...."gender neutral...."

after all..im sure GOD will be OK with the scriptures being manipulated to be more PC...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 939002


So how about your King James then? ohyeah

Did anyone ever stop to research who King James was and what kind of person he was?

Why do Christians take his Bible version as fact? wtf

....................

Who Really Was King James?

For the last three centuries Protestants have fancied themselves the heirs of the Reformation, the Puritans, the Calvinists, and the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock. This assumption is one of history's greatest ironies. Today, Protestants laboring under that assumption use the King James Bible. Most of the new Bibles such as the Revised Standard Version are simply updates of the King James.

The irony is that none of the groups named in the preceding paragraph used a King James Bible nor would they have used it if it had been given to them free. The Bible in use by those groups, until it went out of print in 1644, was the Geneva Bible. The first Geneva Bible, both Old and New Testaments, was first published in English in 1560 in what is now Geneva, Switzerland. William Shakespeare, John Bunyan, John Milton, the Pilgrims who landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620, and other luminaries of that era used the Geneva Bible exclusively.

Until he had his own version named after him, so did King James I of England. James I later tried to disclaim any knowledge of the Geneva Bible, though he quoted the Geneva Bible in his own writings. As a Professor Eadie reported it:

"...his virtual disclaimer of all knowledge up to a late period of the Genevan notes and version was simply a bold, unblushing falsehood, a clumsy attempt to sever himself and his earlier Scottish beliefs and usages that he might win favor with his English churchmen."

The irony goes further. King James did not encourage a translation of the Bible in order to enlighten the common people: his sole intent was to deny them the marginal notes of the Geneva Bible. The marginal notes of the Geneva version were what made it so popular with the common people.

The King James Bible was, and is for all practical purposes, a government publication. There were several reasons for the King James Bible being a government publication. First, King James I of England was a devout believer in the "divine right of kings," a philosophy ingrained in him by his mother, Mary Stuart. Mary Stuart may have been having an affair with her Italian secretary, David Rizzio, at the time she conceived James. There is a better than even chance that James was the product of adultery. Apparently, enough evidence of such conduct on the part of Mary Stuart and David Rizzio existed to cause various Scot nobles, including Mary's own husband, King Henry, to drag David Rizzio from Mary's supper table and execute him. The Scot nobles hacked and slashed at the screaming Rizzio with knives and swords, and then threw him off a balcony to the courtyard below where he landed with a sickening smack. In the phrase of that day, he had been scotched.

Mary did have affairs with other men, such as the Earl of Bothwell. She later tried to execute her husband in a gunpowder explosion that shook all of Edinburgh. King Henry survived the explosion only to be suffocated later that same night. The murderers were never discovered. Mary was eventually beheaded at the order of her cousin, Elizabeth I of England.

To such individuals as James and his mother, Mary, the "divine right of kings" meant that since a king's power came from God, the king then had to answer to no one but God. This lack of responsibility extended to evil kings. The reasoning was that if a king was evil, that was a punishment sent from God. The citizens should then suffer in silence. If a king was good, that was a blessing sent from God.

This is why the Geneva Bible annoyed King James I. The Geneva Bible had marginal notes that simply didn't conform to that point of view. Those marginal notes had been, to a great extent, placed in the Geneva Bible by the leaders of the Reformation, including John Knox and John Calvin. Knox and Calvin could not and cannot be dismissed lightly or their opinions passed off to the public as the mere ditherings of dissidents.

First, notes such as, "When tyrants cannot prevail by craft they burst forth into open rage" (Note i, Exodus 1:22) really bothered King James. Second, religion in James' time was not what it is today. In that era religion was controlled by the government. If someone lived in Spain at the time, he had three religious "choices:"

1. Roman Catholicism

2. Silence

3. The Inquisition

The third "option" was reserved for "heretics," or people who didn't think the way the government wanted them to. To governments of that era heresy and treason were synonymous.

England wasn't much different. From the time of Henry VIII on, an Englishman had three choices:

1. The Anglican Church

2. Silence

3. The rack, burning at the stake, being drawn and quartered, or some other form of persuasion.

The hapless individuals who fell into the hands of the government for holding religious opinions of their own were simply punished according to the royal whim.

Henry VIII, once he had appointed himself head of all the English churches, kept the Roman Catholic system of bishops, deacons and the like for a very good reason. That system allowed him a "chain of command" necessary for any bureaucracy to function. This system passed intact to his heirs.

This system became a little confusing for English citizens when Bloody Mary ascended to the throne. Mary wanted everyone to switch back to Roman Catholicism. Those who proved intransigent and wanted to remain Protestant she burned at the stake - about 300 people in all. She intended to burn a lot more, but the rest of her intended victims escaped by leaving the country. A tremendous number of those intended victims settled in Geneva. Religious refugees from other countries in Western Europe, including the French theologian Jean Chauvin, better known as John Calvin, also settled there.

Mary died and was succeeded in the throne by her Protestant cousin, Elizabeth. The Anglican bureaucracy returned, less a few notables such as Archbishop Cranmer and Hugh Latimer (both having been burned at the stake by Bloody Mary). In Scotland, John Knox led the Reformation. The Reformation prospered in Geneva. Many of those who had fled Bloody Mary started a congregation there. Their greatest effort and contribution to the Reformation was the first Geneva Bible.

More marginal notes were added to later editions. By the end of the 16th century, the Geneva Bible had about all the marginal notes there was space available to put them in.

Geneva was an anomaly in 16th century Europe. In the days of absolute despotism and constant warfare, Geneva achieved her independence primarily by constant negotiation, playing off one stronger power against another. While other governments allowed lawyers to drag out cases and took months and years to get rid of corrupt officials, the City of Geneva dispatched most civil and criminal cases within a month and threw corrupt officials into jail the day after they were found out. The academy that John Calvin founded there in 1559 later became the University of Geneva. Religious wars wracked Europe. The Spanish fought to restore Roman Catholicism to Western Europe. The Dutch fought for the Reformation and religious freedom. England, a small country with only 4-1/2 million people, managed to stay aloof because of the natural advantage of the English Channel.

The Dutch declared religious freedom for everybody. Amsterdam became an open city. English Puritans arrived by the boatload. The 1599 Edition of the Geneva Bible was printed in Amsterdam and London in large quantities until well into the 17th century.

King James, before he became James I of England, made it plain that he had no use for the "Dutch rebels" who had rebelled against their Spanish King. Another irony left to us from the 16th century is that the freedom of religion and freedom of the press did not originate in England, as many people commonly assume today. Those freedoms were first given to Protestants by the Dutch, as the records of that era plainly show. England today does not have freedom of the press the way we understand it. (There are things in England such as the Official Secrets Act that often land journalists in jail.)

England was relatively peaceful in the time of Elizabeth I. There was the problem of the Spanish Armada, but that was brief. Elizabeth later became known as "Good Queen Bess," not because she was so good, but because her successor was so bad. Elizabeth died in 1603 and her cousin, James Stuart, son of Mary Stuart, who up until that time had been King James VI of Scotland ascended the throne and became known as King James I of England. James ascended the throne of England with the "divine right of kings" firmly embedded in his mind. Unfortunately, that wasn't his only mental problem.

King James I, among his many other faults, preferred young boys to adult women. He was a flaming homosexual. His activities in that regard have been recorded in numerous books and public records; so much so, that there is no room for debate on the subject. The King was queer.

The very people who use the King James Bible today would be the first ones to throw such a deviant out of the congregations.

The depravity of King James I didn't end with sodomy. James enjoyed killing animals. He called it "hunting." Once he killed an animal, he would literally roll about in its blood. Some believe that he practiced bestiality while the animal lay dying.

James was a sadist as well as a sodomite: he enjoyed torturing people. While King of Scotland in 1591, he personally supervised the torture of poor wretches caught up in the witchcraft trials of Scotland. James would even suggest new tortures to the examiners. One "witch," Barbara Napier, was acquitted. That event so angered James that he wrote personally to the court on May 10, 1551, ordering a sentence of death, and had the jury called into custody. To make sure they understood their particular offense, the King himself presided at a new hearing - and was gracious enough to release them without punishment when they reversed their verdict.

History has it that James was also a great coward. On January 7, 1591, the king was in Edinburgh and emerged from the toll booth. A retinue followed that included the Duke of Lennox and Lord Hume. They fell into an argument with the laird of Logie and pulled their swords. James looked behind, saw the steel flashing, and fled into the nearest refuge which turned out to be a skinner's booth. There to his shame, he "fouled his breeches in fear."

In short, King James I was the kind of despicable creature honorable men loathed, Christians would not associate with, and the Bible itself orders to be put to death (Leviticus 20:13). Knowing what King James was we can easily discern his motives.

James ascended the English throne in 1603. He wasted no time in ordering a new edition of the Bible in order to deny the common people the marginal notes they so valued in the Geneva Bible. That James I wasn't going to have any marginal notes to annoy him and lead English citizens away from what he wanted them to think is a matter of public record. In an account corrected with his own hand dated February 10, 1604, he ordained:

That a translation be made of the whole Bible, as consonant as can be to the original Hebrew and Greek, and this to be set out and printed without any marginal notes, and only to be used in all churches of England in time of divine service. James then set up rules that made it impossible for anyone involved in the project to make an honest translation, some of which follow:

1. The ordinary Bible read in the church, commonly called the Bishop's Bible to be followed and as little altered as the truth of the original will permit.

2. Or, since the common people preferred the Geneva Bible to the existing government publication, let's see if we can slip a superseding government publication onto their bookshelves, altered as little as possible.

3. The old Ecclesiastical words to be kept, viz. the word "church" not to be translated "congregation," etc.

4. That is, if a word should be translated a certain way, let's deliberately mistranslate it to make the people think God still belongs to the Anglican Church - exclusively.

5. No marginal notes at all to be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words, which cannot without some circumlocution, so briefly and fitly be expressed in the text.

[link to www.hiddenmysteries.org]

.......................

Btw the article says that King James was a homosexual. Give me a break.

If he preferred young boys so he was a PEDOPHILE! yak

So why do Christians hold his Bible in high esteem???

Wake up people!!!

wakeupwakeupwakeupwakeupwakeup
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Re: Christians should be called Paulians instead, because most follow Paul not Jesus........
oh...what the heck..

since this is a conspiracy website..lets get to it =]


NIV published by zondervan...

Zondervan..owned by harper collins..

Harper collins puts out books like
The Joy of Gay Sex
Satanic Bible


and now the NIV wants to be the universal Bible..
hmm..<hmm..universalism..>

and in a world where you must be politically correct..as to ...you know..not offend anyone..The NIV wants to be more...."gender neutral...."

after all..im sure GOD will be OK with the scriptures being manipulated to be more PC...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 939002


So how about your King James then? ohyeah

Did anyone ever stop to research who King James was and what kind of person he was?

Why do Christians take his Bible version as fact? wtf

....................

Who Really Was King James?

For the last three centuries Protestants have fancied themselves the heirs of the Reformation, the Puritans, the Calvinists, and the Pilgrims who landed at Plymouth Rock. This assumption is one of history's greatest ironies. Today, Protestants laboring under that assumption use the King James Bible. Most of the new Bibles such as the Revised Standard Version are simply updates of the King James.

The irony is that none of the groups named in the preceding paragraph used a King James Bible nor would they have used it if it had been given to them free. The Bible in use by those groups, until it went out of print in 1644, was the Geneva Bible. The first Geneva Bible, both Old and New Testaments, was first published in English in 1560 in what is now Geneva, Switzerland. William Shakespeare, John Bunyan, John Milton, the Pilgrims who landed on Plymouth Rock in 1620, and other luminaries of that era used the Geneva Bible exclusively.

Until he had his own version named after him, so did King James I of England. James I later tried to disclaim any knowledge of the Geneva Bible, though he quoted the Geneva Bible in his own writings. As a Professor Eadie reported it:

"...his virtual disclaimer of all knowledge up to a late period of the Genevan notes and version was simply a bold, unblushing falsehood, a clumsy attempt to sever himself and his earlier Scottish beliefs and usages that he might win favor with his English churchmen."

The irony goes further. King James did not encourage a translation of the Bible in order to enlighten the common people: his sole intent was to deny them the marginal notes of the Geneva Bible. The marginal notes of the Geneva version were what made it so popular with the common people.

The King James Bible was, and is for all practical purposes, a government publication. There were several reasons for the King James Bible being a government publication. First, King James I of England was a devout believer in the "divine right of kings," a philosophy ingrained in him by his mother, Mary Stuart. Mary Stuart may have been having an affair with her Italian secretary, David Rizzio, at the time she conceived James. There is a better than even chance that James was the product of adultery. Apparently, enough evidence of such conduct on the part of Mary Stuart and David Rizzio existed to cause various Scot nobles, including Mary's own husband, King Henry, to drag David Rizzio from Mary's supper table and execute him. The Scot nobles hacked and slashed at the screaming Rizzio with knives and swords, and then threw him off a balcony to the courtyard below where he landed with a sickening smack. In the phrase of that day, he had been scotched.

Mary did have affairs with other men, such as the Earl of Bothwell. She later tried to execute her husband in a gunpowder explosion that shook all of Edinburgh. King Henry survived the explosion only to be suffocated later that same night. The murderers were never discovered. Mary was eventually beheaded at the order of her cousin, Elizabeth I of England.

To such individuals as James and his mother, Mary, the "divine right of kings" meant that since a king's power came from God, the king then had to answer to no one but God. This lack of responsibility extended to evil kings. The reasoning was that if a king was evil, that was a punishment sent from God. The citizens should then suffer in silence. If a king was good, that was a blessing sent from God.

This is why the Geneva Bible annoyed King James I. The Geneva Bible had marginal notes that simply didn't conform to that point of view. Those marginal notes had been, to a great extent, placed in the Geneva Bible by the leaders of the Reformation, including John Knox and John Calvin. Knox and Calvin could not and cannot be dismissed lightly or their opinions passed off to the public as the mere ditherings of dissidents.

First, notes such as, "When tyrants cannot prevail by craft they burst forth into open rage" (Note i, Exodus 1:22) really bothered King James. Second, religion in James' time was not what it is today. In that era religion was controlled by the government. If someone lived in Spain at the time, he had three religious "choices:"

1. Roman Catholicism

2. Silence

3. The Inquisition

The third "option" was reserved for "heretics," or people who didn't think the way the government wanted them to. To governments of that era heresy and treason were synonymous.

England wasn't much different. From the time of Henry VIII on, an Englishman had three choices:

1. The Anglican Church

2. Silence

3. The rack, burning at the stake, being drawn and quartered, or some other form of persuasion.

The hapless individuals who fell into the hands of the government for holding religious opinions of their own were simply punished according to the royal whim.

Henry VIII, once he had appointed himself head of all the English churches, kept the Roman Catholic system of bishops, deacons and the like for a very good reason. That system allowed him a "chain of command" necessary for any bureaucracy to function. This system passed intact to his heirs.

This system became a little confusing for English citizens when Bloody Mary ascended to the throne. Mary wanted everyone to switch back to Roman Catholicism. Those who proved intransigent and wanted to remain Protestant she burned at the stake - about 300 people in all. She intended to burn a lot more, but the rest of her intended victims escaped by leaving the country. A tremendous number of those intended victims settled in Geneva. Religious refugees from other countries in Western Europe, including the French theologian Jean Chauvin, better known as John Calvin, also settled there.

Mary died and was succeeded in the throne by her Protestant cousin, Elizabeth. The Anglican bureaucracy returned, less a few notables such as Archbishop Cranmer and Hugh Latimer (both having been burned at the stake by Bloody Mary). In Scotland, John Knox led the Reformation. The Reformation prospered in Geneva. Many of those who had fled Bloody Mary started a congregation there. Their greatest effort and contribution to the Reformation was the first Geneva Bible.

More marginal notes were added to later editions. By the end of the 16th century, the Geneva Bible had about all the marginal notes there was space available to put them in.

Geneva was an anomaly in 16th century Europe. In the days of absolute despotism and constant warfare, Geneva achieved her independence primarily by constant negotiation, playing off one stronger power against another. While other governments allowed lawyers to drag out cases and took months and years to get rid of corrupt officials, the City of Geneva dispatched most civil and criminal cases within a month and threw corrupt officials into jail the day after they were found out. The academy that John Calvin founded there in 1559 later became the University of Geneva. Religious wars wracked Europe. The Spanish fought to restore Roman Catholicism to Western Europe. The Dutch fought for the Reformation and religious freedom. England, a small country with only 4-1/2 million people, managed to stay aloof because of the natural advantage of the English Channel.

The Dutch declared religious freedom for everybody. Amsterdam became an open city. English Puritans arrived by the boatload. The 1599 Edition of the Geneva Bible was printed in Amsterdam and London in large quantities until well into the 17th century.

King James, before he became James I of England, made it plain that he had no use for the "Dutch rebels" who had rebelled against their Spanish King. Another irony left to us from the 16th century is that the freedom of religion and freedom of the press did not originate in England, as many people commonly assume today. Those freedoms were first given to Protestants by the Dutch, as the records of that era plainly show. England today does not have freedom of the press the way we understand it. (There are things in England such as the Official Secrets Act that often land journalists in jail.)

England was relatively peaceful in the time of Elizabeth I. There was the problem of the Spanish Armada, but that was brief. Elizabeth later became known as "Good Queen Bess," not because she was so good, but because her successor was so bad. Elizabeth died in 1603 and her cousin, James Stuart, son of Mary Stuart, who up until that time had been King James VI of Scotland ascended the throne and became known as King James I of England. James ascended the throne of England with the "divine right of kings" firmly embedded in his mind. Unfortunately, that wasn't his only mental problem.

King James I, among his many other faults, preferred young boys to adult women. He was a flaming homosexual. His activities in that regard have been recorded in numerous books and public records; so much so, that there is no room for debate on the subject. The King was queer.

The very people who use the King James Bible today would be the first ones to throw such a deviant out of the congregations.

The depravity of King James I didn't end with sodomy. James enjoyed killing animals. He called it "hunting." Once he killed an animal, he would literally roll about in its blood. Some believe that he practiced bestiality while the animal lay dying.

James was a sadist as well as a sodomite: he enjoyed torturing people. While King of Scotland in 1591, he personally supervised the torture of poor wretches caught up in the witchcraft trials of Scotland. James would even suggest new tortures to the examiners. One "witch," Barbara Napier, was acquitted. That event so angered James that he wrote personally to the court on May 10, 1551, ordering a sentence of death, and had the jury called into custody. To make sure they understood their particular offense, the King himself presided at a new hearing - and was gracious enough to release them without punishment when they reversed their verdict.

History has it that James was also a great coward. On January 7, 1591, the king was in Edinburgh and emerged from the toll booth. A retinue followed that included the Duke of Lennox and Lord Hume. They fell into an argument with the laird of Logie and pulled their swords. James looked behind, saw the steel flashing, and fled into the nearest refuge which turned out to be a skinner's booth. There to his shame, he "fouled his breeches in fear."

In short, King James I was the kind of despicable creature honorable men loathed, Christians would not associate with, and the Bible itself orders to be put to death (Leviticus 20:13). Knowing what King James was we can easily discern his motives.

James ascended the English throne in 1603. He wasted no time in ordering a new edition of the Bible in order to deny the common people the marginal notes they so valued in the Geneva Bible. That James I wasn't going to have any marginal notes to annoy him and lead English citizens away from what he wanted them to think is a matter of public record. In an account corrected with his own hand dated February 10, 1604, he ordained:

That a translation be made of the whole Bible, as consonant as can be to the original Hebrew and Greek, and this to be set out and printed without any marginal notes, and only to be used in all churches of England in time of divine service. James then set up rules that made it impossible for anyone involved in the project to make an honest translation, some of which follow:

1. The ordinary Bible read in the church, commonly called the Bishop's Bible to be followed and as little altered as the truth of the original will permit.

2. Or, since the common people preferred the Geneva Bible to the existing government publication, let's see if we can slip a superseding government publication onto their bookshelves, altered as little as possible.

3. The old Ecclesiastical words to be kept, viz. the word "church" not to be translated "congregation," etc.

4. That is, if a word should be translated a certain way, let's deliberately mistranslate it to make the people think God still belongs to the Anglican Church - exclusively.

5. No marginal notes at all to be affixed, but only for the explanation of the Hebrew or Greek words, which cannot without some circumlocution, so briefly and fitly be expressed in the text.

[link to www.hiddenmysteries.org]

.......................

Btw the article says that King James was a homosexual. Give me a break.

If he preferred young boys so he was a PEDOPHILE! yak

So why do Christians hold his Bible in high esteem???

Wake up people!!!

wakeupwakeupwakeupwakeupwakeup
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ill take poor assumptions for 100 alex...

what makes you think my choice of versions is the KJV ?
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I haven't read all the posts but I know that JESUS CHRIST had to die before the "Mystery" from the beginning of the age could be in place. JESUS taught in synagogues, not churches. He chose Paul to teach the gentiles, (HIS HOLY VESSEL) that their sins were forgiven by the blood of CHRIST. Even Peter declared that it was from the LORD. THe mystery could not unfold until the death, burial, and resurrection. Remember we are under GRACE not the LAW. JESUS said to love the LORD with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself. As for the Jews, if they accept CHRIST they have the same benefit, if not...GOD has a redemptive plan for them as well. V, for you to be such a bible scholar, maybe you should read and understand the greatest gift ever, that being JESUS CHRIST. HE did die, HE did arise and HE does sit at the right hand of the FATHER. May you be enlightened.
If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE.
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Your argument is entirely a philosophical one.

Let me ask you something: Would you write and publish a book half written by your enemy?
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I wouldn't, but if someone wanted to use a powerful person who died to get power THEY probably would.

Paul may not have had bad/evil intentions and really thought he was "chosen," but i just don't trust his words as I trust the sayings/words/teachings of the actual teacher Jesus, and alot of teachings from the church are from Paul instead of Jesus...... Paulians, just like i said.
 Quoting: VivianV


"Now the Spirit explicitly says that in the later times some will desert the faith and occupy themselves with deceiving spirits and demonic teachings, influenced by the hypocrisy of liars whose consciences are seared. They will prohibit marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth." 1 Timothy 4:1-3

Note the passages say that the false prophet will prohibit marriage;the one who prohibited marriage was Paul...


The Pauline Doctrines which books are from Romans to Philemon are not inspired!
Because Paul is a liar & not even an Apostle.
The Pauline Doctrines
The Statements are shocking, but the Evidence are so great, that it is worth the time to check out the facts

Paul was never listed with the Apostles. Matt. 10:2
Only 12 Apostles are mentioned in Revelations in the Kingdom. Rev. 21:14
Matthias replaces Judas, he is the 12th Apostle Acts.1:26
None of the Apostles call Paul an Apostle.
Paul, Boastfully, says he is an Apostle 20 Times!
Paul calls himself the Great Apostle, (I dont know how great one can be if he wasnt even an Apostle?)
He contradicts in 3 of his Testimony about seeing Jesus on the Road to Damacus, proves he lied!
He never once quoted Jesus.
His teachings are different from Jesus, He teaches FAITH WITHOUT WORKS for salvation.
Yet Jesus taught, FAITH WITH WORKS.


He divides all the Christian Churches. Some will even try to get him to agree with Jesus.
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lets talk contradictions, forgeries, and blood sacrifices...


"6 For I delight in loyalty rather than sacrifice,
And in the knowledge of God rather than burnt offerings.


7 But like Adam they have transgressed the covenant;
There they have dealt treacherously against Me.

8 Gilead is a city of wrongdoers,
Tracked with bloody footprints.

9 And as raiders wait for a man,
So a band of priests murder on the way to Shechem;
Surely they have committed crime.

10 In the house of Israel I have seen a horrible thing;
Ephraim’s harlotry is there, Israel has defiled itself.

11 Also, O Judah, there is a harvest appointed for you,
When I restore the fortunes of My people." Hosea 6:6-11


"11 “What are your multiplied sacrifices to Me?”
Says God.
“I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams
And the fat of fed cattle;
And I take no pleasure in the blood of bulls, lambs or goats.


12 “When you come to appear before Me,
Who requires of you this trampling of My courts?

13 “Bring your worthless offerings no longer,
Incense is an abomination to Me.
New moon and sabbath, the calling of assemblies—
I cannot endure iniquity and the solemn assembly.

14 “I hate your new moon festivals and your appointed feasts,
They have become a burden to Me;
I am weary of bearing them.


15 “So when you spread out your hands in prayer,
I will hide My eyes from you;
Yes, even though you multiply prayers,
I will not listen.
Your hands are covered with blood.

16 “Wash yourselves, make yourselves clean;
Remove the evil of your deeds from My sight.
Cease to do evil,

17 Learn to do good;
Seek justice,
Reprove the ruthless,
Defend the orphan,
Plead for the widow." Isaiah 1:11-17
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1326792


Yep, whats with all that? I think Yahweh was sooooo pissed at them, because they were being "A Rebellious Nation" and needed to change their ways to what it says in verse 17.....
 Quoting: VivianV


I was wondering when someone would quote 'all that' like you say. And it goes beyond Yahweh being pissed. It is rather irrefutable proof that the real God detests blood sacrifice, a practice inherited from the Babylonians. It points out to the fact that Jesus did not die for our sins. Read from the writings of a document expert whose father helped translated the Dead Sea Scrolls, Lional Parkinson, whose claim that the Bible has been interfered with is not to be taken lightly:

[link to holyvirus.net]
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OP

A lot of people agree with you.

Here is all the proof you will ever need.
[link to thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com]
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Thanks, I will definitely check it out

hf
 Quoting: VivianV

Saul/Paul was not one of the Genuine 12 Apostles - His Claim to Being An "Apostle" is Blatantly False and Self-Avowed

 Quoting: Paul, aka Saul of Tarsus the Pharisee - A False Apostle, Infiltrator, and Subverter






Romans 16:
7Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow-prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.




Titus 1:
1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;
2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
3But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
4To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.




Galatians 1:
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)
2And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia
:
3Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
4Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:
5To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
10For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.





1 Corinthians 9:

1Am I am not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

3Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?





1 Corinthians 9
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Luke 11:
49Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:
50That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation
;
51From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.




Romans 1:
1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ
:
7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Proverbs 28:27 KJV
He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.
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the reason Paul's testimony is so convincing rests on two facts:

1. that he was previously a notorious persecutor of Christians
2. that his testimony was deeply sincere and mostly in line with what Jesus said

that said.. when Paul was imparting his own opinions.. there are some things I disagree with him on

but no Christian thinks of Paul as anything other than human :)
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AlasBabylon-

Would you show me the scripture that speaks of the Aryan Christians since you are so wise in the bible? I want specific verses.... So misguided. I know you don't get this info from the bible if so, where specifically? If not, who is your source? God is no racist. You are wrong 100%.

You call me misguided? You have just shown yourself to be false. Aryan Christians...okay sure


 Quoting: Adam 1261802



First... you must know a little about ancient Persia...
but since you have already exposed yourself as Bible
illiterate, I don't expect you to know much about
ancient Persia either.



The Persians were Aryans.
The Persian God was called the God of the Aryans.
Cyrus founded the Persian empire.
Cyrus was an Aryan.
Cyrus was God's Anointed King [Isaiah 45.]
God only anoints Israelite Kings.
Cyrus' God was the God of Israel [Ezra 1:2.]
Cyrus decreed the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem.



" Then King Darius [here Darius is a title for Cyrus]
wrote to all the peoples, nations and men of every language
throughout the land:

“May you prosper greatly!

I issue a decree that in every part of my kingdom
people must fear and reverence the God of Daniel.

For He is the living God

and He endures forever;

His kingdom will not be destroyed,

His dominion will never end. "



Daniel 6:25-26




Now... you might wonder how Israelites came to be in Persia.

Around 720 BC, Assyria, conquered the northern kingdom of Israel
and resettled the Israelites into the "cities of the Medes."
[2 Kings 17:6 & 2 Kings 18:11.]

At the time of Christ all 12 tribes of Israel were scattered
in Europe and Asia... Christ told His disciples to seek that
which was lost, the lost sheep of Israel... and so they did
by going to Asia and Europe. St Andrew first Christianized
the Slavs and Rus.





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You are highly deluded and are thinking that the OP is me - I have made threads in the past on the subject of Paul and have changed my avatar and username several times yet, always with my email in my sig so people know who I am.


There are many, many people waking up from Pauline Christianity.


Yep, I'm not shoveling any crap, just truth.....

yoda


I'd love to get my hands on a real, unbiased, word-for-word version of the bible to make my own assumption. I do know that King James DID in fact have books left out of his version that he felt didn't fit with what he was trying to achieve. Sure would love to know what was in THOSE books!
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AlasBabylon-

What do you think of hitler?


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Hitler was an Aryan hero.

He gave sanctuary to White/Tsarist Russians
who had escaped the murdering jew-bolsheviks.

He arranged for the White/Tsarist diaspora to
build a Russian Orthodox Church in Berlin...
at a time churches were being destroyed and
Christians murdered in jew-bolshevik occupied
Russia.


Hitler's army liberated Christian people from
the murdering antichrist enemy. Orthodox priests
traveled with the German army to rebuild churches
and baptize Christians in German liberated Russian lands.

Westerners joined with the antichrist jew-bolsheviks
to destroy the one man who was able... and willing...
to liberate Russia from the satanic jew-bolsheviks.

I honor Hitler and His courageous German sword who
tried to liberate Holy Mother Russia and Europe
from the antichrist Edomite-jew synagogue of satan.




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In short, King James I was the kind of despicable creature honorable men loathed, Christians would not associate with, and the Bible itself orders to be put to death (Leviticus 20:13). Knowing what King James was we can easily discern his motives.
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Very nice, i love it! This is the type of information we all need to change our minds for the truth and light.....

hf
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I'd love to get my hands on a real, unbiased, word-for-word version of the bible to make my own assumption. I do know that King James DID in fact have books left out of his version that he felt didn't fit with what he was trying to achieve. Sure would love to know what was in THOSE books!
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Yeah, you would have to learn Hebrew/Greek/Aramaic. I keep saying this on here, but when I studied Religious Studies, we used the NIV study Bible because of the accurate translations from multiple sources. The Council of Nicaea from 325 AD was pretty much the group of people who decided which books were going to be added to the Old Testament to make the New Testament. They chose to keep in the books you see, and the ones you don't, we know about a lot of them, but many I'm sure will pop up in some archaeology dig or something like that. Good luck!

[link to en.wikipedia.org] - council of nicaea from wiki if you wanna check it.

hf

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Paul met with the other apostles at the first council of Jerusalem as described in Acts, written by Luke

Peter said read Paul -- difficult to understand, and often twisted by those who are unlearned, to their own destruction

2 peter 3:16

"As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

there are Bible verses to counter every false teaching such as the ops here. I encourage everyone -- read the Bible yourself, learn the true And it's easy to spot the counterfeit


ps op yer a nut

love rb
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Paul met with the other apostles at the first council of Jerusalem as described in Acts, written by Luke

Peter said read Paul -- difficult to understand, and often twisted by those who are unlearned, to their own destruction

2 peter 3:16

"As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

there are Bible verses to counter every false teaching such as the ops here. I encourage everyone -- read the Bible yourself, learn the true And it's easy to spot the counterfeit


ps op yer a nut

love rb
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Its all been tainted rb. much love

peace
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Paul met with the other apostles at the first council of Jerusalem as described in Acts, written by Luke

Peter said read Paul -- difficult to understand, and often twisted by those who are unlearned, to their own destruction

2 peter 3:16

"As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

there are Bible verses to counter every false teaching such as the ops here. I encourage everyone -- read the Bible yourself, learn the true And it's easy to spot the counterfeit


ps op yer a nut

love rb
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This is why I love you rb!!!! Bless you.
If you break my wings, I will just find a cloud and learn to fly again. The Lord will catch you when you fall or teach you to fly! May the footprints I leave lead you to BELIEVE.
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The authorship of all of the New Testament book is questioned by scholars. The exception being the books where Paul identifies himself. The authorship of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is uncertain. The title only suggests that this was the message these Apostles preached.
So your conclusion is faulty.
Furthermore the word Apostle in the Greek properly translated into English means "sent one". Properly applied this means anyone sent with a message. Sometimes rendered as the term Ambassador. So Paul was an Apostle.
Now you call Paul a trickster. but numerous scholars over many centuries have studied and concluded His words agree with the teachings of the BIBLE as a whole and the teachings of Jesus. Your own quote disproves your conclusion " but James, Peter and John in Jerusalem accepted his calling to the apostleship from the Lord to the Gentiles (specifically those not circumcised) as of equal authority as Peter's to the Jews (specifically those circumcised).." You should really study Church history.
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Paul met with the other apostles at the first council of Jerusalem as described in Acts, written by Luke

Peter said read Paul -- difficult to understand, and often twisted by those who are unlearned, to their own destruction

2 peter 3:16

"As also in all [his] epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as [they do] also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction."

there are Bible verses to counter every false teaching such as the ops here. I encourage everyone -- read the Bible yourself, learn the true And it's easy to spot the counterfeit


ps op yer a nut

love rb
 Quoting: rb 1298792


Its all been tainted rb. much love

peace
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the Bible isn't tainted op-- we are. the Word is a mirror, a sharp two edged sword

the reason I didn't like Pauls epistles 10 years ago was because I wanted to live my own life my own way and I didn't like what Paul wrote about my sins.

I figured well I can't live up to these words so I'll ignore them cross them out lower the standard to where I can attain it

fact is none of can attain the standard which is why we need a Savior. even Jesus said be perfect as He is perfect

I couldnt understand the Bible so I ripped out pages as I declared them irrelevant. a slippery slope. even in 2002 I was able to find plenty of websites to justify my nonsense.

and 5 years of backsliding -- even as I like you attained degrees and material success etc -- left me poor naked miserable wretched and blind.

I staggered back into church filled with trepidation and dread. but desperate. the Pastor said those of you who don't believe the Bible just want to live your lives your own way. you want to justify your sin

of course this hit me between the eyes and I was humbled rather than angry. thus began my road into accountable fellowship

I have now 3 years later read the Bible through 7 times. I am in constant prayer. prayer was something I skipped entirely for years. and the biggest difference is I am in accountable fellowship with other believers like them or not.

we are know by our love for the brethren. sure I don't agree with them 100% all the time. NO TWO BELIEVERS ARE EVER GOING TO AGREE 100% all the time. God had to have designed it this way

so we can learn unconditional love, like He shows us. so we can learn grace and mercy, as He gives us. and so we can learn forgiveness, which He freely provides.

chopping out portions of the Bible is a slippery slope. been there done that. I believe God will explain me the difficult portions when I meet Him soon :-)

love peace and joy

rb
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The authorship of all of the New Testament book is questioned by scholars. The exception being the books where Paul identifies himself. The authorship of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John is uncertain. The title only suggests that this was the message these Apostles preached.
So your conclusion is faulty.
Furthermore the word Apostle in the Greek properly translated into English means "sent one". Properly applied this means anyone sent with a message. Sometimes rendered as the term Ambassador. So Paul was an Apostle.
Now you call Paul a trickster. but numerous scholars over many centuries have studied and concluded His words agree with the teachings of the BIBLE as a whole and the teachings of Jesus. Your own quote disproves your conclusion " but James, Peter and John in Jerusalem accepted his calling to the apostleship from the Lord to the Gentiles (specifically those not circumcised) as of equal authority as Peter's to the Jews (specifically those circumcised).." You should really study Church history.
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Thanks AC. If you read some of this pretty long thread, some of your points are addressed. I actually have studied church history in college, but it was a while ago 2002, i forget a lot of major details. The main thing I am getting at that you seem to be missing is that Paul DECLARED himself an apostle. How can he say that he was a "sent one" when he was just out killing the followers of Jesus. I'm not saying he was evil/bad, but definitely not teaching the same things Jesus was, if you put their teachings side by side, they just don't match up at all. Paulism can really be seen as an anti-Christian doctrine. Jesus said we could strive and DO WORKS to be perfect like God, and to love each other as He loved us, yet Paul told us to do nothing besides follow his dogma and HAVE FAITH, not Jesus' and thus most christians have become confused slaves of the newly forming organization or THE CHURCH. Paul was the first Pope. Many people will quote teachings by Jesus to me, and it turns out its Paul. Theres too much of a mix up and i don't think Paul knew what Jesus was really talkin about..... Thanks for stopping by.....
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:beacht9: And something still ain't right.
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What's not right is that if we all followed the actual teachings of Jesus rather than from Paul, this world would be a whole different place.... full of peace and love rather than judgement and condemning actions of each other all the time. Having open minds about things rather than thinking everything is so serious and rigid. I'm sure if we met the Jesus from the book, we would all be shocked.
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If you followed the teachings of Jesus only, you would be a Jew following the Law of Moses, just like the first century Jewish Christians.
It was with the teachings of Paul and the Ministry to the Gentiles that creates the Freedom we have Today. Jesus was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel. The message He preached"to repent" was to turn from Sin back to following the Law of Moses(that was the only standard of righteousness they knew). He came to fulfill the Law. not to destroy it.
Paul's ministry to the Gentiles changed that, as did Peters experience in Acts. Until then it was believed that only Jews could be saved. This meant upholding the Levitical laws and becoming a Jew if you wanted salvation. Once it was understood that God planned Salvation for the Gentiles also, they decided that only a few basic Jewish rules should be enforced upon Gentile Christians.

Jesus condemned many people,the Pharisees,and the money changers to name a few. He will also Judge all the unrighteous at the end of the world. This Jesus you describe is not the Jesus of the Bible. Jesus told his disciples to go out and buy swords, so much for peaceful Jesus. He called a Gentile woman "a dog", which is equal to calling someone the N word or worse in today's world. So much for not judging or condemning anyone. So yes, I think you would be shocked if you met the real Jesus. It is very obvious you have not really read or studied about the real Jesus. Jesus is the same God who told the Israelite's to kill all their enemies and not to spare anyone, in the Old Testament. God is the same yesterday today and tomorrow, He does not change. If you think He did, then you misunderstood.
Since you do not believe in "Paul's teachings", do you then follow the Laws of Moses,like Jesus taught?
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AlasBabylon-

Would you show me the scripture that speaks of the Aryan Christians since you are so wise in the bible? I want specific verses.... So misguided. I know you don't get this info from the bible if so, where specifically? If not, who is your source? God is no racist. You are wrong 100%.

You call me misguided? You have just shown yourself to be false. Aryan Christians...okay sure


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First... you must know a little about ancient Persia...
but since you have already exposed yourself as Bible
illiterate, I don't expect you to know much about
ancient Persia either.



The Persians were Aryans.
The Persian God was called the God of the Aryans.
Cyrus founded the Persian empire.
Cyrus was an Aryan.
Cyrus was God's Anointed King [Isaiah 45.]
God only anoints Israelite Kings.
Cyrus' God was the God of Israel [Ezra 1:2.]
Cyrus decreed the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem.



" Then King Darius [here Darius is a title for Cyrus]
wrote to all the peoples, nations and men of every language
throughout the land:

“May you prosper greatly!

I issue a decree that in every part of my kingdom
people must fear and reverence the God of Daniel.

For He is the living God

and He endures forever;

His kingdom will not be destroyed,

His dominion will never end. "



Daniel 6:25-26




Now... you might wonder how Israelites came to be in Persia.

Around 720 BC, Assyria, conquered the northern kingdom of Israel
and resettled the Israelites into the "cities of the Medes."
[2 Kings 17:6 & 2 Kings 18:11.]

At the time of Christ all 12 tribes of Israel were scattered
in Europe and Asia... Christ told His disciples to seek that
which was lost, the lost sheep of Israel... and so they did
by going to Asia and Europe. St Andrew first Christianized
the Slavs and Rus.





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 Quoting: AlasBabylon


That's a nice story, but you are wrong. You have provided no proof. You are a slave to your twisted theology. Christianity speaks of freedom from such slavery. You claim to have secret knowledge, but you believe in christian identity theology. The bloodlines were important concerning the messiah. Now that messiah has come that is not important. Explain John 3:16-17 in your own words, and not of your twisted biblical leaders that feed you the false information. Do you need a man to interpret the bible for you? If so, then you are a slave to that religion. Christian Zionism & British Israelism (Christian Aryanism) are basically the same theology that have been proven false. They are the two sides of the same coin. Racial bigotry, arrogance, hate, etc. Biblical christianity is freedom from this garbage. You talk in your condescending tone as if I don't understand the bible. Your proof is a couple snippets of verses that in no way prove your point. You are using vague bible verses to support an idealogy of hate and exclusion just as the christian zionists. I do agree with you wholehearedly that zionism is wrong, but you don't see that you are doing the same things as they. Aryanism is wrong as well as you have been manipulated by the same evil. Wake Up!
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1Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead. 2There they made him a supper; and Martha served: but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him. 3Then took Mary a pound of ointment of spikenard, very costly, and anointed the feet of Jesus, and wiped his feet with her hair: and the house was filled with the odour of the ointment. 4Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him, 5Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor? 6This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein. 7Then said Jesus, Let her alone: against the day of my burying hath she kept this. 8For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

9Much people of the Jews therefore knew that he was there: and they came not for Jesus' sake only, but that they might see Lazarus also, whom he had raised from the dead. 10But the chief priests consulted that they might put Lazarus also to death; 11Because that by reason of him many of the Jews went away, and believed on Jesus.
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John 13:20

I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me."
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John 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day

John 13:20 I tell you the truth, whoever accepts anyone I send accepts me; and whoever accepts me accepts the one who sent me."
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AlasBabylon-

What do you think of hitler?


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Hitler was an Aryan hero.

He gave sanctuary to White/Tsarist Russians
who had escaped the murdering jew-bolsheviks.

He arranged for the White/Tsarist diaspora to
build a Russian Orthodox Church in Berlin...
at a time churches were being destroyed and
Christians murdered in jew-bolshevik occupied
Russia.


Hitler's army liberated Christian people from
the murdering antichrist enemy. Orthodox priests
traveled with the German army to rebuild churches
and baptize Christians in German liberated Russian lands.
Westerners joined with the antichrist jew-bolsheviks
to destroy the one man who was able... and willing...
to liberate Russia from the satanic jew-bolsheviks.

I honor Hitler and His courageous German sword who
tried to liberate Holy Mother Russia and Europe
from the antichrist Edomite-jew synagogue of satan.




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Your theology is so flawed man. Give it up. Trust in God not your skin color. Hitler was a dupe of the NWO. Do you know he was financed by the big banks? Did you know that Hitler conducted a false flag operation on his own people. Research the Reichstag Fire. Do you see what I'm saying when I say Christian Zionism & Christian Arianism are the two-sides of the same coin? They are played off of each other. Both are false because they enslave the minds of men. God doesn't need white people just as God doesn't need the nation-state of Israel today. These ideologies are false and the world is enslaved. The Devil will continue to manipulate and ensnare the minds of men. The true God is all powerful and he is able to utterly save all that come to Him. It is a dangerous thing to be tied to any theology of hate and racial superiority because this is a false doctrine no matter what the side.

Read:
Deuteronomy 10:17-20, II Chronicles 19:7, Job 34:19, Acts 10:34-38, Romans 2:11, Galatians 2:6, Ephesians 6:8, Colossians 3:25, 1 Peter 1:17
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OP you are very correct. Paul was not a follower of Jesus Christ Michael, He was the one that gave Jesus that name, his true name was Esu Immanuel.





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