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Elenin/Planet X Caught On Video by 5T4RSCREAM

 
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Wake Up Elenin is an average comet


 Quoting: highwic


TBar1984 needs to retract that video.

He's read the distance wrong.

He doesn't know that the european convention is to use a "." where we in the US would use a "," when separating groups of 10^3.

The website he's citing states, "Coma size 33.734 km." which means Coma size 33734 km.
Written in the US convention it would be 33,734 km.

Mustn't distribute misinformation.


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A 33,734 km coma is huge!.. That larger than the Earth itself!
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Here's astrometry of the photo from starscream's video (at least he, unlike astrolpatriot, does not seem to be lying about where he's searching and what equipment he owns):
[link to flickr.com]
The star he was looking at was Aldebaran.
 Quoting: Astronut


Your calling ASTROLPATRIOT a lier? If you going to call him out, why dont you explain why you think he is full of BS.

You have no grounds for this statement unless you went to his house and actually looked at his equipment...

I have seen you harass so many people on this site...

IF YOU SAY IT....FUCKING PROVE IT ..MR...FUCKING ARTONUT.....
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Try to keep up. He already outlined the specific lies.
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Astronut is the breath of sanity in these threads.
"Do or do not. There is no try." (Yoda)
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Sept. 4, 2010 - Christchurch, New Zealand - 7.1 earthquake
Elenin-earth-sun alignment

Feb. 7, 2010 - Chile - 8.8 earthquake
Elenin-earth-sun alignment

Mar. 11, 2011 - Japan - 9.0 earthquake
Elenin-earth-sun alignment

Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is a pattern.

1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God...

Sept 4, 2010 - Christchurch, New Zealand

Kind of interesting, eh?

"And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." - Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 5

So, now we await the next Elenin-Earth-Sun alignment in September, when we will see whether the theories regarding a coming pole shift turn out to be true or false. If we have food, water, survival gear, bug-out bags ready, and a plan in place, we've lost nothing if the pole shift does not occur. But if it does occur and we haven't prepared, then we are screwed.

If the pole shift doesn't happen and we've prepared, that means we will still be prepared for whatever other disasters may occur in the near future. After all, the economic collapse of the United States and World War III are still very real possibilities with or without a pole shift. And we've been warned repeatedly that Yellowstone can erupt at any time. Anyone living within the kill zone of that super volcano is either ignorant or crazy. Also, we've just witnessed the devastation visited on Japan. We know what earthquakes can do. Anyone who believes that a 9.0 or greater can't destroy Los Angeles is living in a fantasy world.

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Here's astrometry of the photo from starscream's video (at least he, unlike astrolpatriot, does not seem to be lying about where he's searching and what equipment he owns):
[link to flickr.com]
The star he was looking at was Aldebaran.
 Quoting: Astronut


Your calling ASTROLPATRIOT a lier? If you going to call him out, why dont you explain why you think he is full of BS.

You have no grounds for this statement unless you went to his house and actually looked at his equipment...

I have seen you harass so many people on this site...

IF YOU SAY IT....FUCKING PROVE IT ..MR...FUCKING ARTONUT.....
 Quoting: Mukk1234


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I guess moderators know more as to why this thread is not unpinned. Bring us to light, please!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

This is what I know: Astrolpatriot has not been answering my messages and has banned me from his chat forum. I also found out that he has been giving me sky coordinates from Wiki information and not independent information gathered on his own. Here I am trying to find the truth and using his videos and the guy turns around and stabs me in the back. I say unpin this topic ASAP. I will not waste my time trying to work with somebody that can say one thing to your face and turn right around and do the opposite. I would say everything astrol does is suspect from his recent actions.
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Maybe he is being threatened by gov shills. agent Certainly a possibility.
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Yep... just add another layer to the conspiracy. That'll cover any and all holes in this pitifully empty story.
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Don't worry, the conspirers already hire plenty of shills to do just that.

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I guess moderators know more as to why this thread is not unpinned. Bring us to light, please!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 643083

This is what I know: Astrolpatriot has not been answering my messages and has banned me from his chat forum. I also found out that he has been giving me sky coordinates from Wiki information and not independent information gathered on his own. Here I am trying to find the truth and using his videos and the guy turns around and stabs me in the back. I say unpin this topic ASAP. I will not waste my time trying to work with somebody that can say one thing to your face and turn right around and do the opposite. I would say everything astrol does is suspect from his recent actions.
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[link to gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com]

Coma is

Thirty Three Thousand Seven Hundred Thirty Four Kilometers in Diameter.
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[link to gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com]

Coma is

Thirty Three Thousand Seven Hundred Thirty Four Kilometers in Diameter.
 Quoting: goodsamaritan55


Yeah, pretty standard for a comet. Hartley 2, which passed by earth last year at a distance half that of Elenin's close approach, had a coma diameter almost 5 times that large.
[link to www.astropix.com]
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We went over this before, Astronut. Your colored filter, that attaches to your camera is not the same as an infrared telescope with a frequency adjusted bandwidth.
 Quoting: Volar 1329238

You're lying again Volar, it seems to be your favorite thing to do. I'm not using a colored filter and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I'm actually picking up infrared light with the camera, which was not detected in the stock configuration. I'm not using "colored filters." Notice how many more stars can be seen after it was modified to be sensitive to infrared light. Yes, the color balance changes too, but I wasn't using any "filters" of any kind to cause that to happen, it was a natural consequence of the additional IR light.
Impressive to say you have an "Infrared" scope....but we know differently....don't we.
 Quoting: volar

You're a lying troll, and no, I don't know differently. By the way liar, have you figured out yet what balancing issue makes itself immediately obvious when mounting your alleged telescope on a wedge?
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We went over this before, Astronut. Your colored filter, that attaches to your camera is not the same as an infrared telescope with a frequency adjusted bandwidth.
 Quoting: Volar 1329238

You're lying again Volar, it seems to be your favorite thing to do. I'm not using a colored filter and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. I'm actually picking up infrared light with the camera, which was not detected in the stock configuration. I'm not using "colored filters." Notice how many more stars can be seen after it was modified to be sensitive to infrared light. Yes, the color balance changes too, but I wasn't using any "filters" of any kind to cause that to happen, it was a natural consequence of the additional IR light.
Impressive to say you have an "Infrared" scope....but we know differently....don't we.
 Quoting: volar

You're a lying troll, and no, I don't know differently. By the way liar, have you figured out yet what balancing issue makes itself immediately obvious when mounting your alleged telescope on a wedge?
 Quoting: Astronut


Astronut, sir... I have a question regarding infrared light..

Would Sodium while under 3 megabars of pressure emit IR light?
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[link to gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com]

Coma is

Thirty Three Thousand Seven Hundred Thirty Four Kilometers in Diameter.
 Quoting: goodsamaritan55


Yeah, pretty standard for a comet. Hartley 2, which passed by earth last year at a distance half that of Elenin's close approach, had a coma diameter almost 5 times that large.
[link to www.astropix.com]
 Quoting: Astronut


Judas Priest! wow... Astro, do we/you have approximate density/mass data for the elenin comet?
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Hey Astronut,

The Electric Universe guys are talking about Elenin

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

Possible electrical / grid disruptions they say.

Your comments on the electric universe guys and that comets are electrically charged bodies?
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Hey Astronut,

The Electric Universe guys are talking about Elenin

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

Possible electrical / grid disruptions they say.

Your comments on the electric universe guys and that comets are electrically charged bodies?
 Quoting: goodsamaritan55


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Hey Astronut,

The Electric Universe guys are talking about Elenin

[link to www.thunderbolts.info]

Possible electrical / grid disruptions they say.

Your comments on the electric universe guys and that comets are electrically charged bodies?
 Quoting: goodsamaritan55


The EU guys are going to be very dissapointed when Elenin passes by and our electrical grid is still running. I'm sure they'll be able to think up some excuse or blame some localized power outage on the comet though. I would also ask them why every comet for which there is mass and volume data available shows a density less than that of water if they're actually just electrically charged rocks rather than porous rocks containing volatile ices. The response I've gotten so far is that the mass data is all wrong because electrical forces govern orbits, not gravity. Major handwavium there flying in the face of observational data. One wonders how precision deep space missions work at all, particular missions to comets, given that their trajectories are planned based on gravitationally dictated orbits. Exposed deposits of water ice were directly detected on the surface of 9p/tempel 1 as well.
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[link to gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com]

Coma is

Thirty Three Thousand Seven Hundred Thirty Four Kilometers in Diameter.
 Quoting: goodsamaritan55


Yeah, pretty standard for a comet. Hartley 2, which passed by earth last year at a distance half that of Elenin's close approach, had a coma diameter almost 5 times that large.
[link to www.astropix.com]
 Quoting: Astronut


Judas Priest! wow... Astro, do we/you have approximate density/mass data for the elenin comet?
 Quoting: Frankenstein


No. Comets masses are too low to detectably perturb anything normally, thus the only way to directly measure the mass and calculate the density (beyond simply establishing upper limits) is by monitoring the trajectories of passing spacecraft or by monitoring the amount the comet itself is perturbed by its own outgassing. The heavier the comet, the less it will be perturbed. Estimations of Halley's mass using this latter method yielded a density of about 0.7 gm/cm^3. This method is not as accurate because you need to know the velocity of the outgassing as well as extremely exact positional information for the comet over a period of time. Atmospheric seeing limits spatial resolution of most deep space images to an arcsecond or more, thus the "resolution" of measurements made this way is limited as the amount of perturbing due to outgassing is very small over the short time spans associated with the close approach of a comet.

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[link to gustavomuler.fotografiaastronomica.com]

Coma is

Thirty Three Thousand Seven Hundred Thirty Four Kilometers in Diameter.
 Quoting: goodsamaritan55


Yeah, pretty standard for a comet. Hartley 2, which passed by earth last year at a distance half that of Elenin's close approach, had a coma diameter almost 5 times that large.
[link to www.astropix.com]
 Quoting: Astronut


Judas Priest! wow... Astro, do we/you have approximate density/mass data for the elenin comet?
 Quoting: Frankenstein


No. Comets masses are too low to detectably perturb anything normally, thus the only way to directly measure the mass and calculate the density (beyond simply establishing upper limits) is by monitoring the trajectories of passing spacecraft or by monitoring the amount the comet itself is perturbed by its own outgassing. The heavier the comet, the less it will be perturbed. Estimations of Halley's mass using this latter method yielded a density of about 0.7 gm/cm^3. This method is not as accurate because you need to know the velocity of the outgassing as well as extremely exact positional information for the comet over a period of time. Atmospheric seeing limits spatial resolution of most deep space images to an arcsecond or more, thus the "resolution" of measurements made this way is limited as the amount of perturbing due to outgassing is very small over the short time spans associated with the close approach of a comet.
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thanks for the detail...
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Very interesting discusion on spaceobs.org with so called "LeonidOS" aka Elenin:

William Frederick says:

According to the orbital data comet Elenin was in alignment with the earth and sun on 2/27/2010 at a distance of about 6 AU. Here is the earthquake data from the USGS for the dates around 2/27/2010 for all quakes over 6. As you can see there were 14 quakes around that time with 12 on the 27th itself.
CAT YEAR MO DA ORIG TIME LAT LONG DEP MAGNITUDE IEM DTSVNWG DIST
PDE-W 2010 02 26 203126.97 25.93 128.43 25 7.0 MwUCMT 5FM …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 063411.53 -36.12 -72.90 22 8.8 MwUCMT 9CM UTS….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 065117.65 -31.66 -69.14 39 6.0 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 065234.02 -34.87 -72.61 35 6.2 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 071228.45 -33.88 -71.94 35 6.0 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 073717.96 -36.87 -72.67 35 6.0 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 080123.01 -37.77 -75.05 35 6.9 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 082529.62 -34.75 -72.43 35 6.1 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 103036.40 -33.28 -71.96 35 6.0 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 154537 -24.87 -65.60 10 6.3 mbGS 5C. …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 172430.59 -36.35 -73.21 19 6.1 MwGS ..M …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 190006.86 -33.42 -71.83 31 6.3 MwGCMT 7FM …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 231234.91 -34.70 -71.83 35 6.0 mbGS .F. …….
PDE-W 2010 02 28 112535.92 -34.90 -71.62 46 6.2 MwGS 6FM …….
In 2010 on average there was approximately one Earthquake over 6.0 every two days. So 14 quakes in 3 days is 10 times more than normal. Hmm…. There are also connection between this comet, Israel, America, and the Palestinian State.

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LeonidOS says:
Yes, I received statistical information about Earthquakes. Thanks to William Frederick. Very interesting and I can’t explain that.

[link to spaceobs.org]
 Quoting: Whoami


Hey Whoami-

You may want to post this data on the Elenin Timeline thread. There is a guy there doing a tonne of EQ Spreadsheets and I think this is really valualbe as it seems that even in 2010 we were feeling the effects of "Elenin". I would grab it and paste it but then you won't get the credit for the research.
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Very interesting discusion on spaceobs.org with so called "LeonidOS" aka Elenin:

William Frederick says:

According to the orbital data comet Elenin was in alignment with the earth and sun on 2/27/2010 at a distance of about 6 AU. Here is the earthquake data from the USGS for the dates around 2/27/2010 for all quakes over 6. As you can see there were 14 quakes around that time with 12 on the 27th itself.
CAT YEAR MO DA ORIG TIME LAT LONG DEP MAGNITUDE IEM DTSVNWG DIST
PDE-W 2010 02 26 203126.97 25.93 128.43 25 7.0 MwUCMT 5FM …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 063411.53 -36.12 -72.90 22 8.8 MwUCMT 9CM UTS….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 065117.65 -31.66 -69.14 39 6.0 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 065234.02 -34.87 -72.61 35 6.2 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 071228.45 -33.88 -71.94 35 6.0 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 073717.96 -36.87 -72.67 35 6.0 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 080123.01 -37.77 -75.05 35 6.9 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 082529.62 -34.75 -72.43 35 6.1 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 103036.40 -33.28 -71.96 35 6.0 mbGS … …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 154537 -24.87 -65.60 10 6.3 mbGS 5C. …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 172430.59 -36.35 -73.21 19 6.1 MwGS ..M …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 190006.86 -33.42 -71.83 31 6.3 MwGCMT 7FM …….
PDE-W 2010 02 27 231234.91 -34.70 -71.83 35 6.0 mbGS .F. …….
PDE-W 2010 02 28 112535.92 -34.90 -71.62 46 6.2 MwGS 6FM …….
In 2010 on average there was approximately one Earthquake over 6.0 every two days. So 14 quakes in 3 days is 10 times more than normal. Hmm…. There are also connection between this comet, Israel, America, and the Palestinian State.

.... answering to another post(er)
LeonidOS says:
Yes, I received statistical information about Earthquakes. Thanks to William Frederick. Very interesting and I can’t explain that.

[link to spaceobs.org]
 Quoting: Whoami


Hey Whoami-

You may want to post this data on the Elenin Timeline thread. There is a guy there doing a tonne of EQ Spreadsheets and I think this is really valualbe as it seems that even in 2010 we were feeling the effects of "Elenin". I would grab it and paste it but then you won't get the credit for the research.
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Jupiter lined-up pretty good that day. It was also aligned fairly well today;



Update time = Thu Apr 7 23:38:36 UTC 2011

MAG - UTC - DATE-TIME
------ y/m/d h:m:s ---- LAT deg --- LON deg -- DEPTH km --------- Region
MAP 5.2 2011/04/07 22:02:19 39.147 142.903 - 34.0 - NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.0 2011/04/07 21:06:05 17.181 -85.091 - 16.2 - NORTH OF HONDURAS
MAP 5.8 2011/04/07 20:41:54 17.218 -85.091 - 19.5 - NORTH OF HONDURAS
MAP 7.1 2011/04/07 14:32:42 38.253 141.640 - 49.0 - NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 6.5 2011/04/07 13:11:25 17.431 -93.978 - 167.4 - VERACRUZ, MEXICO
MAP 5.1 2011/04/07 07:16:12 -42.228 177.490 - 14.1 - OFF EAST COAST OF THE SOUTH ISLAND, N.Z.
MAP 5.8 2011/04/06 14:01:43 1.612 97.088 - 24.7 - NIAS REGION, INDONESIA
MAP 5.4 2011/04/06 13:54:52 37.650 141.407 - 58.9 - NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.2 2011/04/06 11:25:54 -31.427 -177.091 - 18.3 - KERMADEC ISLANDS REGION
MAP 5.0 2011/04/06 07:12:13 27.171 143.327 - 44.1 - BONIN ISLANDS, JAPAN REGION
MAP 5.0 2011/04/05 22:02:00 38.399 142.161 - 19.1 - NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.0 2011/04/05 19:47:32 35.480 142.919 - 36.6 - OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 6.0 2011/04/05 11:14:15 3.061 126.973 - 17.6 - KEPULAUAN TALAUD, INDONESIA
MAP 5.0 2011/04/05 09:57:15 -9.429 159.875 - 28.0 - SOLOMON ISLANDS
MAP 5.4 2011/04/05 07:46:19 3.058 127.030 - 12.4 - KEPULAUAN TALAUD, INDONESIA
MAP 5.2 2011/04/05 04:34:42 -7.070 106.059 - 42.7 - JAVA, INDONESIA
MAP 5.7 2011/04/05 04:10:08 -17.633 -178.524 - 565.5 - FIJI REGION
MAP 5.4 2011/04/04 11:31:41 29.678 80.750 - 12.5 - NEPAL-INDIA BORDER REGION
MAP 5.1 2011/04/04 09:39:11 37.039 142.077 - 18.5 - OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.0 2011/04/04 08:38:24 37.801 142.583 - 31.8 - OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.3 2011/04/04 07:54:37 -45.637 -76.597 - 29.7 - OFF THE COAST OF AISEN, CHILE
MAP 6.7 2011/04/03 20:06:42 -9.786 107.749 - 24.0 - SOUTH OF JAVA, INDONESIA
MAP 6.4 2011/04/03 14:07:09 -17.649 -178.578 - 551.9 - FIJI REGION
MAP 5.0 2011/04/03 13:18:08 36.777 142.130 - 35.7 - OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.4 2011/04/03 07:38:46 37.619 141.572 - 57.3 - NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
MAP 5.1 2011/04/03 03:09:12 36.870 142.034 - 31.1 - OFF THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
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Look, I've been following this thing for some time, and I've wondered, how can we prove this is bigger than a COMET.

Well, until it has been and gone we won't know.

Now we know that it was discovered in 2010, but from then we have worked out it's supposedc path.

Now logic would have it that, it would appear in old sky data, if it existed, and since it's a brown dwarf apparently, then it would make sense to use and look at old IRAS IR data, from as far back as the 50's

Now, I've done some looking into it and my limited knowledge on how to use the Iras Databank archive, I had to use a process of elemination as you cannot select specific date images, you have to find the dates on the images and then look for the co-ordinates of said object using the JPL orbit information.

At first I dismissed the images that I got co-ordinated to match with dates simply because I was looking for a single object, that would be centred to the frame at the given Co-ordinates.

But when Looking at the images again, if you consider that the brown dwarf, has ELENIN orbiting it,.

The first one you can test yourself easily and I think someone else has done a video on this but for those who like to do things themselves.

THE IRAS data from GOOGLE SKY in the area we would be looking is from 14th JULY 2007, now if you go to the jpl orbit for elenin and input that date, grab the co-ordinates that it states for that time and place, and put them into google sky. I did it manually with click and drag click and drag until my cursor showed the area of sky and then I turn on IRAS.

USE google sky and find these coordinates and turn on infrared.

09h 51m 22.4s 12d 23m 0.8s 14th July 2007 co-ordinates from JPL confimed with Winstars 2.


okay, solid, but not conclusive, maybe a glitch, but one would assume a comet of elenins size would not be emitting that much IR light and in fact if you check out most of google sky, it's almost the only anomoly of it's kind in the IR data.

**HYPOTHETICALLY, could the fact that this thing IS, so dense that we are seeing gravitational lensing effect, likes of which we have never seen before because we have never had a mass of that size in our solar system to "know" what to expect with respect to popular science? We could argue then that Jupiter would appear the same, but I don't think thats the case, because jupiter has a physical size that is mcuh larger than I think this Dwarf is, I think this dwarf will only physically be the size of say Earth maybe a bit bigger, but in MASS it's 3x denser that jupiter, which would result it gravitational lensing like we've never been able to appreciate. This mass though because of it's physicall size, has less impact on surrounding objects bvecause the "fall away" rate of gravitation pull is much less that that of JUPITER...
** MY OWN HYPOTHETICAL

Anyway, it got my attention and I thought okay, there must be older IRAS data, now like I said it was hard to get a DATE, but by process of elimination (try for yourself you'll understand) but I finally got a date match for 1986, and useing the co-ordinates for that day out of JPL, I found this image.

[link to irsa.ipac.caltech.edu]

Ideas, I'll replicate if req'd but it's a pain in the arse, they have the archives cataloged in such a way, that you can search co-ordinates, but unless you know the date of the images, your guessing on location, so you have to run your search once with the co-ordinates in a set year, wait for the results, look at the dates on the images, and then, find an image, match the co-ordinates from JPL and run the search again. This works 50/50 of the time, but some times you end up with a different list of dated images which your co-ordinate will not correspond to.

OKAY.
DEBUNK Away.
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Look, I've been following this thing for some time, and I've wondered, how can we prove this is bigger than a COMET.

Well, until it has been and gone we won't know.

Now we know that it was discovered in 2010, but from then we have worked out it's supposedc path.

Now logic would have it that, it would appear in old sky data, if it existed, and since it's a brown dwarf apparently, then it would make sense to use and look at old IRAS IR data, from as far back as the 50's

Now, I've done some looking into it and my limited knowledge on how to use the Iras Databank archive, I had to use a process of elemination as you cannot select specific date images, you have to find the dates on the images and then look for the co-ordinates of said object using the JPL orbit information.

At first I dismissed the images that I got co-ordinated to match with dates simply because I was looking for a single object, that would be centred to the frame at the given Co-ordinates.

But when Looking at the images again, if you consider that the brown dwarf, has ELENIN orbiting it,.

The first one you can test yourself easily and I think someone else has done a video on this but for those who like to do things themselves.

THE IRAS data from GOOGLE SKY in the area we would be looking is from 14th JULY 2007, now if you go to the jpl orbit for elenin and input that date, grab the co-ordinates that it states for that time and place, and put them into google sky. I did it manually with click and drag click and drag until my cursor showed the area of sky and then I turn on IRAS.

USE google sky and find these coordinates and turn on infrared.

09h 51m 22.4s 12d 23m 0.8s 14th July 2007 co-ordinates from JPL confimed with Winstars 2.


okay, solid, but not conclusive, maybe a glitch, but one would assume a comet of elenins size would not be emitting that much IR light and in fact if you check out most of google sky, it's almost the only anomoly of it's kind in the IR data.

**HYPOTHETICALLY, could the fact that this thing IS, so dense that we are seeing gravitational lensing effect, likes of which we have never seen before because we have never had a mass of that size in our solar system to "know" what to expect with respect to popular science? We could argue then that Jupiter would appear the same, but I don't think thats the case, because jupiter has a physical size that is mcuh larger than I think this Dwarf is, I think this dwarf will only physically be the size of say Earth maybe a bit bigger, but in MASS it's 3x denser that jupiter, which would result it gravitational lensing like we've never been able to appreciate. This mass though because of it's physicall size, has less impact on surrounding objects bvecause the "fall away" rate of gravitation pull is much less that that of JUPITER...
** MY OWN HYPOTHETICAL

Anyway, it got my attention and I thought okay, there must be older IRAS data, now like I said it was hard to get a DATE, but by process of elimination (try for yourself you'll understand) but I finally got a date match for 1986, and useing the co-ordinates for that day out of JPL, I found this image.

[link to irsa.ipac.caltech.edu]

Ideas, I'll replicate if req'd but it's a pain in the arse, they have the archives cataloged in such a way, that you can search co-ordinates, but unless you know the date of the images, your guessing on location, so you have to run your search once with the co-ordinates in a set year, wait for the results, look at the dates on the images, and then, find an image, match the co-ordinates from JPL and run the search again. This works 50/50 of the time, but some times you end up with a different list of dated images which your co-ordinate will not correspond to.

OKAY.
DEBUNK Away.
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Awesome...

Is that a direct link to what you think I'm looking at or, is this another BIG thing on the way.

I'm still not convinced on the Brown Dwarf Issue, But I'm not sure on anything these days...

I'm trying to track and photgraph elenin @ the moment from NSW in Aus, got photgraphy gear coming this week,

I thought I seen it the other night, through my scope, but it seemed to fade in and out of veiw, over the 3 hrs I have to view from sunset to ELENIN Set. I put it down to, bad seeing, but have continued to ponder is it lenseing, and She is only visible cleary outside the Strongest field of the DWARF.

I'll attach my E510 to my Scope this week, hopefully, I'll see elenin and nothing more, and I can go back to working on, how to bring to justice TPTB, but if this is real, well, Priorities lie with My family, and I just hope everyone gets enough time to do what they feel they need to.
But considering that POPULATION eradication program TPTB are considering, one would wonder if this object may do the job for them whilst keeping them squeaky clean, and able to sleep at night. And in it's aftermath we'll be screaming for them to shackle us to rocks to be fed gruel through a straw, while they make our kids make shoes for the elite to tread all over us with all over again.

Cycles .. . . Back to the middle and around again.. .
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Look, I've been following this thing for some time, and I've wondered, how can we prove this is bigger than a COMET.

Well, until it has been and gone we won't know.

Now we know that it was discovered in 2010, but from then we have worked out it's supposedc path.

Now logic would have it that, it would appear in old sky data, if it existed, and since it's a brown dwarf apparently, then it would make sense to use and look at old IRAS IR data, from as far back as the 50's

Now, I've done some looking into it and my limited knowledge on how to use the Iras Databank archive, I had to use a process of elemination as you cannot select specific date images, you have to find the dates on the images and then look for the co-ordinates of said object using the JPL orbit information.

At first I dismissed the images that I got co-ordinated to match with dates simply because I was looking for a single object, that would be centred to the frame at the given Co-ordinates.

But when Looking at the images again, if you consider that the brown dwarf, has ELENIN orbiting it,.

The first one you can test yourself easily and I think someone else has done a video on this but for those who like to do things themselves.

THE IRAS data from GOOGLE SKY in the area we would be looking is from 14th JULY 2007, now if you go to the jpl orbit for elenin and input that date, grab the co-ordinates that it states for that time and place, and put them into google sky. I did it manually with click and drag click and drag until my cursor showed the area of sky and then I turn on IRAS.

USE google sky and find these coordinates and turn on infrared.

09h 51m 22.4s 12d 23m 0.8s 14th July 2007 co-ordinates from JPL confimed with Winstars 2.


okay, solid, but not conclusive, maybe a glitch, but one would assume a comet of elenins size would not be emitting that much IR light and in fact if you check out most of google sky, it's almost the only anomoly of it's kind in the IR data.

**HYPOTHETICALLY, could the fact that this thing IS, so dense that we are seeing gravitational lensing effect, likes of which we have never seen before because we have never had a mass of that size in our solar system to "know" what to expect with respect to popular science? We could argue then that Jupiter would appear the same, but I don't think thats the case, because jupiter has a physical size that is mcuh larger than I think this Dwarf is, I think this dwarf will only physically be the size of say Earth maybe a bit bigger, but in MASS it's 3x denser that jupiter, which would result it gravitational lensing like we've never been able to appreciate. This mass though because of it's physicall size, has less impact on surrounding objects bvecause the "fall away" rate of gravitation pull is much less that that of JUPITER...
** MY OWN HYPOTHETICAL

Anyway, it got my attention and I thought okay, there must be older IRAS data, now like I said it was hard to get a DATE, but by process of elimination (try for yourself you'll understand) but I finally got a date match for 1986, and useing the co-ordinates for that day out of JPL, I found this image.

[link to irsa.ipac.caltech.edu]

Ideas, I'll replicate if req'd but it's a pain in the arse, they have the archives cataloged in such a way, that you can search co-ordinates, but unless you know the date of the images, your guessing on location, so you have to run your search once with the co-ordinates in a set year, wait for the results, look at the dates on the images, and then, find an image, match the co-ordinates from JPL and run the search again. This works 50/50 of the time, but some times you end up with a different list of dated images which your co-ordinate will not correspond to.

OKAY.
DEBUNK Away.
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it's not just on ir if you change the setting to color or red it's still there.
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Thanks Yeah, I noticed that, but I thought perhaps the colour images contained there where the sum of the IR images interpreted into a colour format.

Again, I have no basis for this, It just seemed a logical concept, the colour IR images would look entirely different to "Standard" images and maybe highlight specific details not noted via standard means. I guess I was thinking like photoshop filters.

Anyway

Thats gotta be a good thing then... means it's not the same Object one could assume? From google sky - 86 image.

Back to assumptions and patience I guess..
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That is the crankiest of the cranky there fellow....cut down on your caffeine consumption..OK?
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That is the crankiest of the cranky there fellow....cut down on your caffeine consumption..OK?
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Not sure who that was for?
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Now logic would have it that, it would appear in old sky data, if it existed, and since it's a brown dwarf apparently, then it would make sense to use and look at old IRAS IR data, from as far back as the 50's
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IRAS conducted its all-sky survey in 1983, it didn't even exist in the 50's.
THE IRAS data from GOOGLE SKY in the area we would be looking is from 14th JULY 2007,
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Wrong. It's from 1983. Google simply put their copyright on the stitched mosaic they made from that data in 2007.
**HYPOTHETICALLY, could the fact that this thing IS, so dense that we are seeing gravitational lensing effect,
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You've been listening to Terral too much, gravitational lensing would not make it invisible.
likes of which we have never seen before because we have never had a mass of that size in our solar system to "know" what to expect with respect to popular science?
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You would expect massive perturbations of the planets and asteroids. You would not have seen 1999 RQ176 remain unperturbed by it.
Thread: Elenin fails to perturb a small asteroid at 0.002 AUs distance
It would have either ejected or collided with the asteroid.
Anyway, it got my attention and I thought okay, there must be older IRAS data, now like I said it was hard to get a DATE, but by process of elimination (try for yourself you'll understand) but I finally got a date match for 1986, and useing the co-ordinates for that day out of JPL, I found this image.
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That's not IRAS data, it says right at the top, SDSS. That's the Sloan Digital Sky Survey.

So? Same stars, POSSII sky survey:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
Same stars, POSSI sky survey:
[link to archive.stsci.edu]
2MASS image of same stars in the J band, which is actually in infrared, unlike the SDSS R band image you showed:
[link to skyview.gsfc.nasa.gov]

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Excellent. . .

So, i can assume you know astronomy and the like.

Like I said, DEBUNK away.

You must have alot of time on your hands Astronut. Thanks for spending some of it on me. :)

I was refering to IRAS / IR data, I have never looked at it before yesterday.

I like the ASS that I am assumed it was all IR data since thats what IRAS was and I was looking specifically for the same thing like appeared in (botched identification ) google sky.

And Thanks for the heads up on the data, I knew IRAS was 83, I just assumed they used ground scopes for previuos data. I don't really have time to become an ASTRO wiz, so I've left it to the People who do.


Copyright notice 2007, that explains that co-incy-dink Google Sky.

But..

"THEN....Whats the object at that location in google sky?" IDEAS, identify." Maybe it's a temporal rip in the space time vortex that spews forth.... Yada Yada.

But really, WHAT is It?

So thanks.

NOW,
I can take from the threads that have been posted on this topic all over the web that there are two lines of thought.

Its all BS or Its all True. Not much room for Conjecture or theroy, but anyway.

Astronut, Are you saying that no matter what this object is, without any doubt 100% that, everything in the cosmos is going to obey the laws of human science and not ever throw us a curveball. AND by this, IT'S JUST A COMET....

There is not, therotically or otherwise a way for a HIGH MASS, SMALLISH PLANET SIZED OBJECT to appear invisible. and not have a great effect on the solar system immediately.

I mean we can all jump to conclusions about its effect on earth, but I'm not sold on that yet. Unless theres a way for this thing to "really" be there.

I'm hoping you know your stuff and can say Yes sirry BOB, not an elks chance in a supernova, is there anything out there other than a comet.





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